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Let thy kingdom come?

Davy

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I find this to be a very interesting topic, simply because it raised a lot of questions. Most people believe, all good people go to heaven and all bad people will go to hell. But if you take a careful look at what the bible says the kingdom is and what it will do, it tends to change common perceptions of heaven and hell.

So, what is this kingdom Jesus asked us to pray for in the lords pray in Matthew 6:10. Daniel 2:44, (NASB) prophesied: "In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever." Then Daniel was given a vision of this kingdoms ruler, in Daniel 7:13, 14, (NASB): "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven, One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days, And was presented before Him. And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one, Which will not be destroyed." (Isaiah 9:6, 7) Clearly Jesus is the King of this kingdom, but notice what it rules over!

Revelation 5:9, 10, (NASB) say: "And they sang a new song, saying, Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth." This shows Jesus will rule over the earth and those taken to heaven will rule with him over the earth, once man made governments have been destroyed. (Revelation 20:4, 5)

Further more, notice what the bible says Jesus does when he starts ruling over the earth in Revelation 20:2, 3, (NASB): "And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time." This shows Jesus and his co-rulers will rule over the earth for one thousand years! There are many millennial prophecies that refer to what will happen on the earth during this time. Here are just some of them. Psalms 46:8, 9, (NASB) says: "Come, behold the works of the LORD, Who has wrought desolations in the earth. He makes wars to cease to the end of the earth; He breaks the bow and cuts the spear in two; He burns the chariots with fire." Psalms 110:5, (NASB) says: "The Lord is at Your right hand; He will shatter kings in the day of His wrath." Isaiah 65:21-25, says: "They will build houses and inhabit them; They will also plant vineyards and eat their fruit. "They will not build and another inhabit, They will not plant and another eat; For as the lifetime of a tree, so will be the days of My people, And My chosen ones will wear out the work of their hands. "They will not labor in vain, Or bear children for calamity; For they are the offspring of those blessed by the LORD, And their descendants with them. "It will also come to pass that before they call, I will answer; and while they are still speaking, I will hear. "The wolf and the lamb will graze together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox; and dust will be the serpent's food. They will do no evil or harm in all My holy mountain," says the LORD."

But this begs the question, "who" are still alive on the earth? Why were they not destroyed at Armageddon or taken to heaven, and clearly they must be faithful people because they are subjects loyal to Jesus' kingship, which Jesus rules and protects them. Also, at the end of this one thousand years, Satan is let out of a prison to mislead mankind, who clearly are not at this time mislead and still loyal to Jesus and his kingship. Revelation 20:7-10, shows Satan misleads so many that he starts a great war that encompasses the whole earth.

So, if people who are faithful go to heaven to become kings and rule over this earth, who are these faithful people left on the earth, who are tested by Satan, and which sadly many do seam to turn against Jesus as their King at the end of the thousand years.

PS. Why do people say the earth is going to be destroyed when Jesus returns, when clearly the bible says otherwise?
 
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Where is the Earth..

PS. Why do people say the earth is going to be destroyed when Jesus returns, when clearly the bible says otherwise?

It could be because of these scripture...??

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 
Hi, Brother Mike: I'm sure there are some who use these verses (2 Peter 3:10-13) to support the idea the earth will be destroyed. However, the explanation of these verses must agree with the rest of the Bible and be in context with the surrounding verses. First, is this interpretation in harmony with what the rest of the scriptures say regarding the out come of the earth.

Psalms 104:5, states: "He established the earth upon its foundations, So that it will not totter forever and ever."
Ecclesiastes 1:4, says: "A generation goes and a generation comes, But the earth remains forever."
Psalms 78:69, again says: "And He built His sanctuary like the heights, Like the earth which He has founded forever."
Psalms 96:10, also says: "Say among the nations, The LORD reigns; Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved; He will judge the peoples with equity."

Clearly the understanding the earth will be destroyed is not in harmony with the rest of the bible. As regards its context, notice after seemingly saying the earth will be destroyed, in verse 13, Peter writes: "But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells." Peter clearly says the righteous will dwell in a "new earth". Ether, Peter is contradicting himself, or he is not referring to the earth being literally burned up, he is using hyperbole. (hyperbole--A deliberate exaggeration not meant to be taken literally.)

After considering the evidence, it seams Peter uses the term, "the earth and its elements will be burned up" to show the degree of God's anger when he destroys the wicked, no vestige of wickedness will remain, its destruction will be complete. Just as Psalms 37:28, 29, says: "For the LORD loves justice, And does not forsake His godly ones; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked will be cut off. The righteous will inherit the land And dwell in it forever."
 
Hello Davy.

This seems a very fine interpretation of the scripture, almost mute.

Closer to the heart of the scriptural definition of "destroyed" and the New Creation. Would you consider a slightly different interpretation.

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.

Death is the true enemy of mankind, Jesus Christ died to give us life.

Now that I have eternal life in Christ it does not concern me overly whether I have a New Earth or a restored Earth to walk on.

What does it really matter in the end Davy, I think I will be too happy to even notice.
 
The Earth

Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Psa 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Psa 104:5 He hath fixed the earth on its foundations, It is not to be shaken, to times age-abiding and beyond. Roth....

Ecc 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

Psa 78:69 And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Psa 96:10 Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

Davy:

You bring some good points... the term "For ever" can also mean age abiding but was also used to mean everlasting, or forever. One had a long time until end, the other did not.

Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
Psa 102:26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:
Psa 102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.


Peter said the Earth shall melt with fervent heat.... even the elements. This would pretty much kill everything on the planet... We also have Gen 8:22, and Psalms 102:26 that denotes the earth shall perish.

We also have scripture that says... New Heaven and New Earth... Meaning something happened to the old ones....

To keep in context with the Scriptures in Harmony, Peter's comment simply means passing from one state to the next. (Not Removed) The Heavens are destroyed completely however..

Isa 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.


In Genesis 1:2 we see Earth void and wasted..... God terraformed it... That was before Adam.

Gen 1:2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,


Jer 4:23 I looked to the land, and lo, waste and void, And unto the heavens, and their light is not.
Jer 4:24 I have looked to the mountains, And lo, they are trembling. And all the hills moved themselves lightly.
Jer 4:25 I have looked, and lo, man is not, And all fowls of the heavens have fled.

So, all scriptures come in harmony if the earth is melted and refurbished into another state. The OLD Earth remains, and is made new.

Otherwise, we have to result to some Hyperbole theory, and not take the scripture Word for Word...

Jesus Is Lord.
 
No one really knows what happens to the earth.

It all seems like just a purge of sin and evil so that it doesn't exist anymore. Which makes the earth a new earth.

Doesn't say anything about blowing the earth up and then making a new one from scratch. Imo.
 
Hi David777: You make an interesting point, (What does it really matter in the end Davy, I think I will be too happy to even notice.) However, consider this. If a preacher teaches the earth will be destroyed and all people at Armageddon will either go to heaven or hell, then they are in effect teaching a lie! I have heard a number of TV evangelists teach this.

This doctrine is not in harmony with what the bible teaches. If we could go back to the first century and ask Jesus what he thinks about preachers who teach these inaccurate statements, what words do you think he would use to describe them?
I think, if they are wrong, then they are wrong. Further more, people who do teach this, cannot be really good bible students, otherwise they would realize, what they stand on the plateform teaching, is actually incorrect. I watch quite a few TV evangelist programs, and it amazes me how they steer away from this obvious bible truth. So I have to ask myself, if they are just telling people what they think they want to hear, what people have traditionally been told to expect, how can they have God's blessing and approval?

I do not think Jesus would wink a blind eye to this, in fact I am sure he would put them straight.
 
how can they have God's blessing and approval?
Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

HMMM...Maybe they don't.



2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
I think these could be a cryptic description of our worldly "mind set" being obliterated by the revealing of his Glory.

These would fit in that context also:

Hab. 2:14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Psalm 22:27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him,

Jeremiah 31:34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

Isaiah 11:9 They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.

Zechariah 14:9 The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.

There are possibilities we have not considered yet but like Mike,I believe it must agree with all scripture.
 
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