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Kentucky Clerk Ready to Go to Jail

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Many believers who live in the Western Cultures, in their everyday lives have to make decisions on a variety of topics.
However, they don't always bring the positive/negative attention or the possible consequences that are reflected in the below news story.

For this very reason. We should keep Ms Kim Davis in prayer as we do for our other Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus who worldwide continue endure the unimaginable for the faith.
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Update on the original article:
EXCLUSIVE: Kentucky Clerk: 'This is a fight worth fighting' | Fox News
 
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Many believers who live in the Western Cultures, in their everyday lives have to make decisions on a variety of topics.
However, they don't always bring the positive/negative attention or the possible consequences that are reflected in the below news story.

For this very reason. We should keep Ms Kim Davis in prayer as we do for our other Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus who worldwide continue endure the unimaginable for the faith.
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Update on the original article:
EXCLUSIVE: Kentucky Clerk: 'This is a fight worth fighting' | Fox News
HUH! Kentucky clerk did go to jail. What about her rights? Should she just do her job? Or should she claim her rights to object? Or should she do both in their place? She works as a public servant, not in a 'private' business like the bakery folks.
 
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Did she exercise the love of God?
Who is getting the attention (being exalted)?

His Word tells us, Give them what they want.
Vengeance and wrath belong to the Lord, He will execute His judgment upon them. That is not our job.

She is only doing what she has been taught; and we see the deceiver having his parade in this showing; not God.
We can not over come evil with evil.

God will work out the stupidity of this hypocrisy for His good.
He who is a soldier and warreth for God, doesn't get entangled with the affairs of this life.
Did she go to work for her worldly paycheck, to buy her worldly things, for God, or for herself?
Did she run in an election for God, or for herself?
Was she elected for God, or for herself?
Now, not only does gays hate her; but known fact; she hates them, or she would have been gentle and kind and done her worldly job she has been elected to do; Give them what they want.
She answers to "a higher power", she said.
We can not serve God and mammon too. Now, her hypocrisy gives us all a bad mark.
Do not even put ourselves in the position to have the finger pointed at us.

I ask again; "WHERE IS THE LOVE OF GOD IN ALL THIS CONTROVERSY?

Lord have mercy upon us ALL.
ALL praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen
 
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Perhaps the lady believes that she is right in what she is doing and in what she is refusing to do. Only God is able to read her heart. She is willing to suffer. If it is really for God, how can we say nay? Too many people are so selfish or wishy-washy while claiming to serve God. This one at least raises a question, does it not? Let us pray for her and for all who are confronted with what to some seem to be difficult choices.

The truth is that if we are in His Spirit, the choices will never be difficult ones, even if they cause us pain.

"Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matt 11:29-30
 
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Perhaps the lady believes that she is right in what she is doing and in what she is refusing to do. Only God is able to read her heart. She is willing to suffer. If it is really for God, how can we say nay? Too many people are so selfish or wishy-washy while claiming to serve God. This one at least raises a question, does it not? Let us pray for her and for all who are confronted with what to some seem to be difficult choices.

The truth is that if we are in His Spirit, the choices will never be difficult ones, even if they cause us pain.

"Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matt 11:29-30
Yes, my dear brother, I believe she is doing what she believes and has been taught is right.
I still must ask "where is the LOVE of God in all this?"
To be a soldier and one that wars for God, shouldn't be wrapped up (entangled) with this world to begin with; just as His Word says.
ALL praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen
 
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Yes, my dear brother, I believe she is doing what she believes and has been taught is right.
I still must ask "where is the LOVE of God in all this?"
To be a soldier and one that wars for God, shouldn't be wrapped up (entangled) with this world to begin with; just as His Word says.
ALL praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen
Where is the LOVE of God in all of this? I wish I had all of the answer to that question.

One thing I see that it could do is help that lady, Kim Davis, focus on the right things in any place that she is in error... to encounter more of that LOVE through her experiences here. Another thing I see is that other people may also encounter more of that LOVE through their experiences as a result of the experiences of Kim Davis.

Will all of the results be positive ones? No, for that is the nature of the beast which I believe still reigns in too many people... including too many bearing the label, Christian.

I was wrapped up in my job for the U.S. Govt. for many years. When I first sought to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost it was the position of that job in my order of priorities that was in my way. God passed me through that problem, without requiring me at the time to quit (at least so I thought at the time) but now I think back wondering if He was just being merciful to a very conceited strong-headed man. Fifteen years ago all of that came to a head and I had to quit that job that I loved in order to really begin to serve God. I've left out many details of my testimony which is now mostly in, the past, but likely the testimony of Kim Davis and perhaps others is only forming with this confrontation...???!!!
 
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I think the "love of God" has to go hand in hand with the will of God.

For example... if we let an infant run out into the busy street... are we loving them?
Of course people get hit by cars all the time, and we can't save everyone. But if it's within
our power.. we should at least try to prevent them. At the very least warn them. And certainly
not throw them out into the traffic, simply because that's where they want to be.

We can't save all homosexuals, we can't change their minds about sin. Only God can do that.
But we can warn them. We can do everything in our power to keep them out of the street.
Whether they burn for eternity or not is up to them... but if we are the ones throwing them
into the furnace... is that love? The Bible talks about those who are stumbling blocks.
( Matt 13:41; Matt 18:7; etc.. ) Let us hope "the love of God" that we are showing them isn't
the stumbling block they trip over. (i.e. - it must be OK, because many churches support it).
 
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I believe they (homosexuals) have started their own churches because they have found no people walking in the love of the Lord in the "traditional" church. I don't blame them; I have seen very little of God's love in there as well; they continue to try love people with carnal love. Carnal love is temporary.

I am reminded of the two in the temple; the one a publican and the other a Pharisee (i believe). The Pharisee said Lord, Lord look at me and all I have done; I am not like this publican.
The publican said Lord forgive me a sinner; and would not even lift his head to look toward heaven.
Who was the humble one?

We had better watch our words and carnal judgments.
She pointed the finger at them and doesn't even consider her own demons

We have all sinned... not one is good; no, not one.

May God have mercy upon us ALL.
 
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I just can't quit thinking about how sad (even wrath) the Lord must be over all of this.
Many more sinners has turned away from Him (pointing the finger) because of the hypocrisy within His people.
 
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I just can't quit thinking about how sad (even wrath) the Lord must be over all of this.
Many more sinners has turned away from Him (pointing the finger) because of the hypocrisy within His people.
The natural children of Israel were God's special chosen people but their pride and lusts brought the wrath of God down on them. They were carried into captivity.

Similarly in the United States where for so long we really had an overwhelming portion of God's blessings, now our pride and lusts bring the nation lower and lower. Is the country lost to God? Can a handful of sincere believers turn it around? Consider Ezekiel's word with regard to His chosen people, Israel:

"The word of the LORD came again to me, saying,

Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:

Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD." Ezek 14:12-14
 
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It is written that we are to be obedient to God, but also we are to be obedient to the laws made within this world.

It saddens my heart that many praise this women for her evil actions.
We can not over come evil with evil.
She was disobedient to God and the laws established within this land.
She disobeyed a court order by a federal judge and now finds herself in jail.
Most "Christians" are crying out "release her; she has done nothing wrong!"
Really??? not according to the Word of God as He has unveiled it to me. She is wrong; she is disobedient; and she has, not only thrown herself under the bus, but the rest of us as well.
Are you ready for the real persecution of Christians to began? She has paved the road for an even greater reason (as the world see's it) to snuff us out.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Lord have mercy upon us ALL. Amen
 
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The intensity of this is stronger nowadays than in Jesus' time. This war is raging harder and more fierce.

Matthew‬ ‭10:16-33‬

““I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles.

But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another.

Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. “The student is not above the teacher, nor a servant above his master. It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household! “So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.”
 
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Love... God is love... is that all God is? Really? You are reducing the God of the universe down to an emotion?

If you give an alcoholic, a bottle of (beer/whiskey/wine)... are you loving them?
If you give someone addicted to pornography a magazine filled naked people performing sexual acts... are you loving them?
If you give someone who is suicidal a razor blade... are you loving them?
If you give two people of the same sex permission to get married... are you loving them?

Or are you just helping them to do whatever they want, despite what God says about it.
 
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Love... God is love... is that all God is? Really? You are reducing the God of the universe down to an emotion?

If you give an alcoholic, a bottle of (beer/whiskey/wine)... are you loving them?
If you give someone addicted to pornography a magazine filled naked people performing sexual acts... are you loving them?
If you give someone who is suicidal a razor blade... are you loving them?
If you give two people of the same sex permission to get married... are you loving them?

Or are you just helping them to do whatever they want, despite what God says about it.
What God says that Love is and what man says it is are too often very different things although many men including some bearing the label of Christian cannot tell the difference:

"Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;

does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;

does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;

bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away." I Cor 13:4-8 MKJV
 
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Love... God is love... is that all God is? Really? You are reducing the God of the universe down to an emotion?

If you give an alcoholic, a bottle of (beer/whiskey/wine)... are you loving them?
If you give someone addicted to pornography a magazine filled naked people performing sexual acts... are you loving them?
If you give someone who is suicidal a razor blade... are you loving them?
If you give two people of the same sex permission to get married... are you loving them?

Or are you just helping them to do whatever they want, despite what God says about it.
so if I ask you for a fish, you would give me a serpent? huh
if I ask for an egg, would you just give me an empty shell?
Give them what they ask for, as the Word tells us to do.
Vengeance and wrath is not ours to execute, but the Lord's.
When will people lay down self and seek God?
If we want God to be merciful unto us, we better have mercy on others.
If we want God to forgive us, we better have forgiveness on others.

Lord God, have mercy upon us ALL
 
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Love... God is love... is that all God is? Really? You are reducing the God of the universe down to an emotion?

If you give an alcoholic, a bottle of (beer/whiskey/wine)... are you loving them?
If you give someone addicted to pornography a magazine filled naked people performing sexual acts... are you loving them?
If you give someone who is suicidal a razor blade... are you loving them?
If you give two people of the same sex permission to get married... are you loving them?

Or are you just helping them to do whatever they want, despite what God says about it.
Not only will I give the alcoholic the beer he ask for, I will drink one with him and use the opportunity to tell him about my Jesus. Will I get drunk with him? NO; but I will not be a hypocrite that is too good to drink a beer and tell him about my Lord. What reward have we to only speak of the Lord to those already saved?
We are to seek the lost and broken; God will send them to us, but when he does, are we doing our job? or do we turn up our self righteous nose and scoff them and go about our merry little way?
No greater love hath a man than he that will lay down his life for his friend.
All praise, glory and honor be to God.
 
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This isn't so much about upholding her faith as it is a conflict of interest with her faith and job. Either find someone else willing to fulfill your duties or find another job.
 
I believe they (homosexuals) have started their own churches because they have found no people walking in the love of the Lord in the "traditional" church. I don't blame them; I have seen very little of God's love in there as well; they continue to try love people with carnal love. Carnal love is temporary.

I am reminded of the two in the temple; the one a publican and the other a Pharisee (i believe). The Pharisee said Lord, Lord look at me and all I have done; I am not like this publican.
The publican said Lord forgive me a sinner; and would not even lift his head to look toward heaven.
Who was the humble one?

We had better watch our words and carnal judgments.
She pointed the finger at them and doesn't even consider her own demons

We have all sinned... not one is good; no, not one.

May God have mercy upon us ALL.
May God have mercy on us all.
Yes i agree.
The woman works in government, government is instituted by God, the american Government is unique
In that iT recognises As prime the supreme right of freedom of conscience and belief above all man made laws to counter that right. government is made up of weak sinful people who make decisions and form government laws and policies based upon their beliefs of what is right. the More people who recognise we are sinners and need Gods mercy and that government is put there by God to protect the weak state of man from evil, then the more moral laws will be decided by government and moral policies that do not contradict Gods laws will be formed and put into affect by government, and those who work in government all through the chain of gov command will Then be only enforcing moral laws.
This woman has a right and recognises her duty to not enforce evil laws, and no government law can stop her. ( the supreme court acts according to the exercising of the first amendment in every decision it makes
For good or bad they being weak sinful men and women make decisions and judgments and are not above the law themselves, and so their decisions cannot take away any persons right to disagree with them by using their first amendment right to govern their actions by belief- all supreme court decisions are merely advice and should and do not violate anyones right to make a stand in government employ based upon first amendment right of belief moral or not.
No law including supreme court law can be used against the first amendment right of all the people in or outside the gov, the gov Is a government of for and by the people, the people in the end are responsible for what kind of gov is given free reign to enforce laws.
 
This isn't so much about upholding her faith as it is a conflict of interest with her faith and job. Either find someone else willing to fulfill your duties or find another job.
The peoples morality moral or not forms the basis of government and the laws that are allowed to succeed.
The people have a supreme right To act according to moral or immoral beliefs , a right that cannot be halted by any government made laws. The government is made up of all branches including the judicial , the judicial branch cannot stop the exercising of the first amendment choice to act according to moral beliefs, and any person in gov or outside it, cannot be stopped or sacked for halting the enforcing of what they believe is immoral
This way the government is truly of the people by the people.
And what kind of government it is depends on the moral character of the people within it who make it function Smoothly out to the governing of the people and nation.
We rely on all government officials to act according to ( moral beliefs ) the constitution , this is how the constitution can work for the good or ill Of the people, depending on the moral beliefs of those within it.
The constitution is above law and above government and above the president and law makers.
The defence of and obedience to the constitution is both a law and the foundation of government and so is a duty that is for all the people to uphold, and therefor it is a christians duty to obey it for it Is the real american government infact. In that it is the supreme governing principle both of the people and the physical elected people who make up the government.
 
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The peoples morality moral or not forms the basis of government and the laws that are allowed to succeed.
The people have a supreme right To act according to moral or immoral beliefs , a right that cannot be halted by any government made laws. The government is made up of all branches including the judicial , the judicial branch cannot stop the exercising of the first amendment choice to act according to moral beliefs, and any person in gov or outside it, cannot be stopped or sacked for halting the enforcing of what they believe is immoral
This way the government is truly of the people by the people.
And what kind of government it is depends on the moral character of the people within it who make it function Smoothly out to the governing of the people and nation.
We rely on all government officials to act according to ( moral beliefs ) the constitution , this is how the constitution can work for the good or ill Of the people, depending on the moral beliefs of those within it.
The constitution is above law and above government and above the president and law makers.
The defence of and obedience to the constitution is both a law and the foundation of government and so is a duty that is for all the people to uphold, and therefor it is a christians duty to obey it for it Is the real american government infact. In that it is the supreme governing principle both of the people and the physical elected people who make up the government.
I agree that every citizen has the right to obey the Law. And, I also agree that the moral compass of those in Office determine the quality of enacted Laws. But In this case, obeying the Law put an employee into a conflict of interest with company policy. Do you realize another point you're making? If they insist you do as they do, you have a choice of either doing likewise or leaving. A business has that right, and the Government is also a business. As an employer, it has certain expectations of its employees which it enforces as it sees fit determined by the politics at the time.

I'm not saying the employee doesn't have a say in how the Office is run, but you can't work alongside the servants of Satan in their framework of rules and expect to a Christian in shining armour at the same time. That is what is really at issue, not democratic rights which are fuzzy at best.
 

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