Just believe and be saved?

ozell · Nov 13, 2011

David777 said:
Please read the following verses very carefully. I am sorry that
it is a long post but these verses should rectify problems
concerning the commandments.

Ephesians 2:8-18 (NKJV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works,
which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are
called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—

12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the
commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope and without God in the world.

13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been
brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has
broken down the middle wall of separation,

15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments
contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two,
thus making peace,

16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross,
thereby putting to death the enmity (the Law).

17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near.

18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Abolished the enmity, the law of commandments.

David

most Christians use this verse to eliminate the commandments

David

which of the commandments is enmity against us

lets read the commandments and you point the one out

Exodus 20

1And God spake all these words, saying,

2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

13Thou shalt not kill.

14Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15Thou shalt not steal.

16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. 
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

which one of these commandments is against us?

not one

so Paul must be speaking about another law, which is the law of animal sacrifice.

try researching the law of animals sacrifice and tell me what good was it?

ozell · Nov 13, 2011

David777 said:
It does say agua

"15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances,"

I do believe this is very clear, i do not see any substance
in an argument for some kind of separation.

How do you see this verse and why?

understanding is the key

we can read all day long but without understanding reading is vain

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 Corinthians 5:7
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

look what happen here from animal sacrifice to Jesus sacrifice

Hebrews 10

1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes
the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 
12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Jesus blood replaced the blood of animals.

Jesus blood did not replace the commandments

after Jesus death we are told to keep the commandments

ozell · Nov 13, 2011

David777 said:
You stated agua:

"Gentiles could also live by God's moral laws as is seen in Romans 2."

Romans 2 does not say that the Gentiles could live by
God's moral laws.

It says "For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law".

I will deal with your previous post one line at a time if you do not
mind. This avoids the theology overload.

lets read and understand these words to the gentiles

Romans 2:8-10

8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 
10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

what we have is a lack of understanding because we have here people who don't understand God is not a respecter of people

Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

we read and understand

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Numbers 15:16
One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians+12:12-14&version=KJVwhy do you get 2 when the bible speaks of ONE?

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