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Just because Jesus said FATHER forgive them does not mean The FATHER will Forgive them

Heb 1:6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God's angels worship him.”
Heb 1:7 Of the angels he says, “He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire.”
Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”

God the Father calls his Son God, God the Son calls his Father God.
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God the Son said......"I and my Father are ONE". ... John 10:30

God the Son said... "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father"...... John 14:9

God the Son said......"you believe in the Father.....believe IN ME also... .. John 14:1
 
“Let all God's angels worship him.”
therefore God, your God, has anointed you


Do you guys even read what you type???? Let GODS ANGELS worship him??(Jesus) not God, in this verse.

Therefore God YOUR GOD has anointed YOU (Jesus)...........................

God commands His angels to worship Jesus, God anoints Jesus and in the same sentence says that He (God) is the God of Jesus. And you still say they are one and the same????????????


Mind boggling how blind people have become.
 
Do you guys even read what you type???? Let GODS ANGELS worship him??(Jesus) not God, in this verse.

Why would angels worship any one less than God?

Therefore God YOUR GOD has anointed YOU (Jesus)...........................

God commands His angels to worship Jesus, God anoints Jesus and in the same sentence says that He (God) is the God of Jesus. And you still say they are one and the same????????????

Mind boggling how blind people have become.

Careful there. Only God can cause the increase on either side of any discussion. Wisdom comes from the Lord as only He can open the eyes that see and the ears that hear. So if you are in the right, or not in the right, pray that God will minister to whichever side of the discussion is needed for the truth to be known.

Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Have a look at scripture testifying to Jesus Christ in the O.T. as the God men had seen and it wasn't God the Father either.

Jesus The God That Men Had Seen In The O.T.
 
Just because Jesus said FATHER forgive them does not mean The FATHER will Forgive them

But, of course it's not ABOUT "Forgiveness" at all, but about CLEANSING FROM SIN, which only is possible by FAITH in Jesus' SIN OFFERING on the cross.
 
Heb 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
 
Why would angels worship any one less than God?

Hebrews 1:6 And again, when He (God) bringeth in the first begotten (Jesus) into the world, He (God) saith, let the angels of God worship Him (Jesus).

The answer: Because God said so. After all Jesus is the only child of a woman ever Fathered by God.
 
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when He (God) bringeth in the first begotten (Jesus) into the world, He (God) saith, let the angels of God worship Him (Jesus).

The answer: Because God said so. After all Jesus is the only child of a woman ever Fathered by God.

Really think the Father would tell the angels to break His own commandment?

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

The son of a human is a human. The Son of God is God.

God is the Savior & Jesus is the Savior. Jesus is God because it is written that God will do it and He will not share His glory with any other.

Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Isaiah 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. 12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

Only God answers prayers;

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Ask God the Father to reveal His Son to you As God.
 
You do not know nothing about John Calvin or the doctrine of Limited Atonement. So you go into a corner and sit down. Your deception is remarkable. 1st go learn the language before you speak. And this time the language is called “Calvinese”. Then you address the matter intelligently. But we all know most are to lazy to read the whole book at least twice a year as a whole let alone learn “Calvinese”.

Are your horns growing now. Do you feel loving?
Being a Calvinist will save you no sooner than being a Southern Baptist nor a Roman Catholic.

Matthew 27:51-54 Even YHWH's Beloved had to hear Yashua ha'Mashiah and follow Him, become Christians, before they were removed from Abraham's Buxom and allowed into Heaven. And still you refuse to be stigmatized with the burden of living like the Christ and being known as a Little Christ? All I can ask is the rhetorical question, "Are you certain you are saved?"

I have accepted the mantle of Our LORD, and as Imperfect as I am, I struggle to carry that mantle that others can see a former Drunk Entertainer working for the glory of YHWH, Yashua, and Ruach, though still imperfect. I understand this passage in The Continued, or Renewed, Scripture as proofing that none that are not Christian may enter into the presence of our Triune God-Head. I pray that Yashua touches your heart as He did mine one night on stage.
 
Paul said:
9Make every effort to come to me quickly, 10because Demas, in his love of this world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica…ff

14Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: 15Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.

The Lord Remains Faithful

16At my first answer no man stood with me, but all menforsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge. 17Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. 18And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
 
The Title Thread:

Just because Jesus said FATHER forgive them does not mean The FATHER will Forgive them”
 
so higher Education is and has been the talk in my house. And dime colleges are not mention. Your divinity degree do not mean nothing in my house unless it is “ivy leaque” or “HBCU”.

When you are surrounded by Lawyers, Doctors, college Professors, Dentists, Teachers, Theologians Pastors, for Almost 50 years. On a daily basis.
And at night your wife is telling what university her friends son, daughter or grand kids has excepted in.
you better listen. You know every “Ivy League” in The World!

Christian woman alright. I wish I had married a slave girl from a way off island
Are you complaining about your life or explaining all this to say that your experience should be the norm and if you didn't go to an ivy league college then gtfo of this conversation and don't talk to me?

Seems to me you say if your divinity degree is not ivy league then it is meaningless.

Last I checked Jesus impressed a few pharisees when he was 12 and 20 years later they killed him. Don't think he graduated anything far as I know...
 
Are you complaining about your life or explaining all this to say that your experience should be the norm and if you didn't go to an ivy league college then gtfo of this conversation and don't talk to me?

Seems to me you say if your divinity degree is not ivy league then it is meaningless.

Last I checked Jesus impressed a few pharisees when he was 12 and 20 years later they killed him. Don't think he graduated anything far as I know...
Naw Joestue, hi Funny Arrogance pits people like him and myself against those fortunate enough to have grown up on the Right Side of the Tracks. He is wrong, of course, and thinks that the lack of Greater Education means that person is taught of and by Ruach, The Holy Spirit, implying, whether he knows it or not, that people burdened with Seminary Degrees have received and are receiving less influence from YHWH through Ruach.

His False Pride in this matter does not appear to register with this superior knowledge of the Scriptures. We all need to pray for his Salvation to become real.
 
I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt but if he actually believes that....
 
I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt but if he actually believes that....
He did inform the forum of that a few posts back. According to that post, as I recall, he places more faith in Calvin's writings than in the scripture itself. So, of course, he towers above me in spite of my past thirty-one years of study and teaching classes from the Primaries to the Seniors. I suppose, from reading his posts I should ask him if my answers meet his approval but you know how stubborn we Southern Baptist Teachers are.
 
Are you complaining about your life or explaining all this to say that your experience should be the norm and if you didn't go to an ivy league college then gtfo of this conversation and don't talk to me?

Seems to me you say if your divinity degree is not ivy league then it is meaningless.

Last I checked Jesus impressed a few pharisees when he was 12 and 20 years later they killed him. Don't think he graduated anything far as I know...
I do see comprehension eludes you sometimes when things are plainly stated and “eisegesis” is a favourite type of ice cream.
 
He did inform the forum of that a few posts back. According to that post, as I recall, he places more faith in Calvin's writings than in the scripture itself. So, of course, he towers above me in spite of my past thirty-one years of study and teaching classes from the Primaries to the Seniors. I suppose, from reading his posts I should ask him if my answers meet his approval but you know how stubborn we Southern Baptist Teachers are.
It seems to me you two like the same “confectionery” store. Located “Post 55”.
 
For information only, to those who do not know:

“EXEGESIS-EISEGESIS: IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? ... Exegesis is legitimate interpretation which "reads out of' the text what the original author or authors meant to convey. Eisegesis, on the other hand, reads into the text what the interpreter wishes to find or thinks he finds there.”
 
Are you complaining about your life or explaining all this to say that your experience should be the norm and if you didn't go to an ivy league college then gtfo of this conversation and don't talk to me?

Seems to me you say if your divinity degree is not ivy league then it is meaningless.

Last I checked Jesus impressed a few pharisees when he was 12 and 20 years later they killed him. Don't think he graduated anything far as I know...
Will someone please tell this person who “Jesus” was, and where He came from, while you explaining Jesus The Christ, also explain to Him who killed Him. Because evidently, he has not the Foggiest idea, Who, The Christ is!

My final statement: “I don’t care if Jesus the Christ is in His mama’s womb, or eating “Honey” at 12 years old chatting in the Temple with The Religious Rulers, or Hanging on a Tree [the cross] between two Thieves. He still occupied “Full Divinity” and no less GOD!

And for the information for many but only believe by few! The GOD I believe in is “IMMUTABLE”!

And I know the words I have wrote or text today, Has been recorded in The Halls of JUSTICE above “time” it self, And on That day, when these words will live again, these words will either justify me or condemn me. But they will speak, you can be sure of that!

In response to your post #51. And I read it slowly. And devoured each word.

I am being reminded what my grand daddy would have said at this “Salutation”!
 
'Who in the days of His flesh,
when He had offered up prayers and supplications
with strong crying and tears
unto Him that was able to save Him from death,
and was heard in that He feared; ... '
(Hebrews 5:7)

Hello @PloughBoy,

Looking back at your OP I see that you refer to the Garden of Gethsemane, and the occasions that the Lord prayed to God that, ' ... this cup pass from me'.

'Then saith He unto them,
My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death:
tarry ye here, and watch with Me.
And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying,
"O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me:
nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt."
(Matthew 26:38-39)

'He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying,
"O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from Me, except I drink it, Thy will be done."'
(Matthew 26:42)

'And he left them, and went away again,
and prayed the third time, saying the same words.'
(Mat 26:44)

* I believe that, Hebrews 5:7, quoted at the beginning of my post, tells us that those prayers were indeed answered: for He was saved from death on that occasion. In Luke's account of that ordeal in Luke 22:43, we are told that:- ' ... there appeared an angel unto Him from heaven, strengthening Him.' The only other occasion that we hear of angels ministering to the Lord in this way, was following His time of temptation in the wilderness:- 'Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him' (Mat 4:11) .

* The symptoms that are described in the three accounts that we have in Matthew, Mark and Luke, describe the effects of the ordeal He was encountering, and they could have led to His death taking place before the time appointed by the Father: that is why He prayed that the cup of suffering he was enduring be taken from Him. He had come to die, He was not seeking to avoid what He was born to do, no, for He had, 'put His hand to the plough', and would not 'look back' (Luke 9:62). This warfare He was undergoing could have ended in His death, and He did not want to die prematurely, He wanted to fulfill His Father's will, and be able to say, 'It is finished' (John 19:30).

'Who in the days of His flesh,
when He had offered up prayers and supplications
with strong crying and tears
unto Him that was able to save Him from death,
and was heard in that He feared; ... '
(Hebrews 5:7)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'Who in the days of His flesh,
when He had offered up prayers and supplications
with strong crying and tears
unto Him that was able to save Him from death,
and was heard in that He feared; ... '
(Hebrews 5:7)

Hello @PloughBoy,

Looking back at your OP I see that you refer to the Garden of Gethsemane, and the occasions that the Lord prayed to God that, ' ... this cup pass from me'.

'Then saith He unto them,
My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death:
tarry ye here, and watch with Me.
And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying,
"O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me:
nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt."
(Matthew 26:38-39)

'He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying,
"O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from Me, except I drink it, Thy will be done."'
(Matthew 26:42)

'And he left them, and went away again,
and prayed the third time, saying the same words.'
(Mat 26:44)

* I believe that, Hebrews 5:7, quoted at the beginning of my post, tells us that those prayers were indeed answered: for He was saved from death on that occasion. In Luke's account of that ordeal in Luke 22:43, we are told that:- ' ... there appeared an angel unto Him from heaven, strengthening Him.' The only other occasion that we hear of angels ministering to the Lord in this way, was following His time of temptation in the wilderness:- 'Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him' (Mat 4:11) .

* The symptoms that are described in the three accounts that we have in Matthew, Mark and Luke, describe the effects of the ordeal He was encountering, and they could have led to His death taking place before the time appointed by the Father: that is why He prayed that the cup of suffering he was enduring be taken from Him. He had come to die, He was not seeking to avoid what He was born to do, no, for He had, 'put His hand to the plough', and would not 'look back' (Luke 9:62). This warfare He was undergoing could have ended in His death, and He did not want to die prematurely, He wanted to fulfill His Father's will, and be able to say, 'It is finished' (John 19:30).

'Who in the days of His flesh,
when He had offered up prayers and supplications
with strong crying and tears
unto Him that was able to save Him from death,
and was heard in that He feared; ... '
(Hebrews 5:7)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Ok, I am going to approach one of your why’s.:

“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”
please Note:
stamp date of Authority , Before Time Existed.

addition to memory:
Jesus The Christ of GOD is always “100 percent GOD and always 100 Percent human” and never does HE looses a percentage of HIS being.

And if the question is ask, how can he do that?

The answer: “With man things can be impossible, but with GOD nothing is Impossible” and HE can never cease to exist.
 
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