Jesus voluntarily said….

[wordsponge]

John.10
[29] My Father, who gave them (the sheep to) me,
>> is greater than everyone.
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John.14
[28] You (Apostles) have heard me say to you:
I go away and I come again unto you.
If you loved me, then you would rejoice,
because I said, I go unto the Father
because my Father >> is greater than I

John.17
[3] And this is life eternal,
that they might know you (the Most High GOD)
the >>> Only True (genuine) GOD,
and Jesus Christ, (the Mighty God)
whom you have sent.

The sum of what Jesus has said, is that,
he is NOT of the same CALIBRE as his Father.

CONCLUSION: Jesus is not of the same calibre as his Father.
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Is Jesus a heretic or are those who contradict him heretics?
Will Jesus take such people to heaven?

Paul who is the Priest of Jesus the permanent High Priest.
1 Cor.11
[2] Now I praise you, brethren,
that you remember me in all things,
and you keep GOD’s ordinances (including Baptism, UNCHANGED),
like I delivered them to you.
[3] But I would have you know,
that the head of every man is Christ
and the head of the woman is the man
and the head of (over) Christ is GOD.

Eph.4
[6] One (TRUE) GOD and Father of everyone,
who is above everyone,
and through all, and in you all.

 

[RJ]

John.10
[29] My Father, who gave them (the sheep to) me,
>> is greater than everyone.
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John.14
[28] You (Apostles) have heard me say to you:
I go away and I come again unto you.
If you loved me, then you would rejoice,
because I said, I go unto the Father
because my Father >> is greater than I

John.17
[3] And this is life eternal,
that they might know you (the Most High GOD)
the >>> Only True (genuine) GOD,
and Jesus Christ, (the Mighty God)
whom you have sent.

The sum of what Jesus has said, is that,
he is NOT of the same CALIBRE as his Father.

CONCLUSION: Jesus is not of the same calibre as his Father.
+
Is Jesus a heretic or are those who contradict him heretics?
Will Jesus take such people to heaven?

Paul who is the Priest of Jesus the permanent High Priest.
1 Cor.11
[2] Now I praise you, brethren,
that you remember me in all things,
and you keep GOD’s ordinances (including Baptism, UNCHANGED),
like I delivered them to you.
[3] But I would have you know,
that the head of every man is Christ
and the head of the woman is the man
and the head of (over) Christ is GOD.

Eph.4
[6] One (TRUE) GOD and Father of everyone,
who is above everyone,
and through all, and in you all.

And your point is?

• John 1:1--"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
• John 1:14--"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
• John 5:18--"For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
• John 8:24--"I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."
• John 8:58--"Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'"
• Exodus 3:14--"And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
• John 10:30-33--"I and the Father are one." 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
• John 20:28--"Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Col. 2:9--"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
• John 14:19-- "9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?"
• Phil. 2:5-8--"Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
• Exodus 3:14: God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
• Bible says Jesus is the 7 "I Am's" :

1. Bread
2. Light
3. Gate
4. Good Sheppard
5. Resurrection and life
6. way, truth, life
7. True Vine
   So, again, what was your point?

 

[james1523]

John.10
[29] My Father, who gave them (the sheep to) me,
>> is greater than everyone.
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John.14
[28] You (Apostles) have heard me say to you:
I go away and I come again unto you.
If you loved me, then you would rejoice,
because I said, I go unto the Father
because my Father >> is greater than I

John.17
[3] And this is life eternal,
that they might know you (the Most High GOD)
the >>> Only True (genuine) GOD,
and Jesus Christ, (the Mighty God)
whom you have sent.

The sum of what Jesus has said, is that,
he is NOT of the same CALIBRE as his Father.

CONCLUSION: Jesus is not of the same calibre as his Father.
+
Is Jesus a heretic or are those who contradict him heretics?
Will Jesus take such people to heaven?

Paul who is the Priest of Jesus the permanent High Priest.
1 Cor.11
[2] Now I praise you, brethren,
that you remember me in all things,
and you keep GOD’s ordinances (including Baptism, UNCHANGED),
like I delivered them to you.
[3] But I would have you know,
that the head of every man is Christ
and the head of the woman is the man
and the head of (over) Christ is GOD.

Eph.4
[6] One (TRUE) GOD and Father of everyone,
who is above everyone,
and through all, and in you all.

I think you preach the Arian heresy.

 

[wordsponge]

I think you preach the Arian heresy.

I am able to believe Jesus and the Apostles, whatever they say.
Joining Christ is the Teaching.
2 Thes.3
[1] Finally, brethren, pray for us,
that the Word of the Lord may have free course,
and be glorified (BOASTED about), even as it is with you:
[2] And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men:
for all men do not have faith.

Is anyone BOASTING about the WORD?
A CHISTIAN is made, by Christ, into a very alert person

 

[james1523]

I am able to believe Jesus and the Apostles, whatever they say.
Joining Christ is the Teaching.
2 Thes.3
[1] Finally, brethren, pray for us,
that the Word of the Lord may have free course,
and be glorified (BOASTED about), even as it is with you:
[2] And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men:
for all men do not have faith.

Is anyone BOASTING about the WORD?
A CHISTIAN is made, by Christ, into a very alert person

All heresies start with a faulty interpretation of the Bible, and then an insistence that only their view is right above all others! I ask if you are buying or selling, I think you are peddling. A truth-speaker does not need to peddle.

 

[wordsponge]

Jesus is a heretic.
He did not know that he was equal to GOD.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Jesus is a heretic.
He did not know that he was equal to GOD.

@wordsponge

Your posts, not just the one quoted here, are continually cryptic and you fail to explain the points that you are prolifically posting.
As another member suggested here it would appear that you do preach/lean towards arian heresy.

This is not what Talk Jesus is about

Talk Jesus is about sharing the truth found in His word and proclaiming His glorious gospel to the world

 

[DHC]

Jesus is a heretic.
He did not know that he was equal to GOD.

Hello wordsponge.

You have missed Paul's instruction about the Christ.

Philippians 2
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although
He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be held,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the
likeness of men.

Jesus humbled Himself and let go of His divine status. Paul states that Jesus as a
man relinquished His 'equality with God' and took on the role of a slave to His
Father. Jesus 'emptied Himself' of His own identity.

Many cults stumble over this aspect of the revelation of the Christ.

There is only one King of heaven and earth, and Jesus Christ is that King of kings.
The throne in heaven is occupied by the true King and make no mistake about
who the King is wordsponge. For the true King is the only Sovereign God and He
is eternal.

You were created for Christ Jesus, and you will give Jesus Christ the Glory. For
this purpose alone you have been created.