Jesus: The Jews' Messiah?

[Beetow]

Our primary sources for this explanation are "Things To Come" by J. Dwight
Pentecost and "The Coming Prince" by Sir Robert Anderson.

Our point of reference is Daniel 9:25-26 where it's said:

"So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and
rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two
weeks. After the sixty-two weeks Messiah will be cut off."

Now; a technicality to be aware of is that those sixty-nine weeks are not heptads of
days, rather, of years; which when added up come to 483.

A further technicality to be aware of is that those 483 years aren't normal years,
rather, they're prophetic years, which are only 360 days apiece compared to normal
years which are roughly 364¼ days apiece.

So, in normal years, the sixty-nine weeks add up to only 477.

Turning to Neh 1:1-2:18, we find our hero depressed and upset because his home
town, the very city where his relatives are buried, was in ruins; its wall broken
down, and its gates ashes. So, with a goodly amount of butterflies in his stomach,
Nehemiah petitioned his boss for a leave of absence to go and rebuild Jerusalem.

Artaxerxes gave him permission, supported by official memorandums, in the month
of Nisan, in the twentieth year of his reign. So it is in Neh 2 that we find the only
actual Bible record of a royal permit to rebuild the city of Jerusalem. This, then, is
our choice for the beginning of Daniel's prediction.

Fortunately, the date of Artaxerxes reign can be easily and definitely ascertained--
not from the elaborate investigative treatises of biblical commentators and
prophetic writers; but from ordinary history books. Artaxerxes-- a.k.a. Artaxerxes 1
--reigned from 465-425 BCE.

According to Nehemiah, the Persian edict, which gave him permission to rebuild
Jerusalem, was issued during the Jewish month of Nisan in the twentieth year of
Artaxerxes. Unfortunately the exact day is not given. It is very possible the decree
was dated the 1st of Nisan; but that's not really important as long as we come
close enough for practical consideration. The sixty-nine weeks then, within reason,
and close enough for our purposes, will therefore be calculated from the 1st of
Nisan 445 BCE.

Counting 477 normal years forward from 445 BC drops us off at 32 CE which, if
correct, becomes the year that Daniel predicted Messiah would be cut off. That
figure appears to be in the ball park; and here's why:

According to Luke 3:1-3, Tiberius was the emperor in Rome when John the Baptist
began his public ministry.

Tiberius' reign spanned 14 CE to 37 CE and according to Luke, John's ministry
began sometime in 29 CE. Precisely on what day Jesus was baptized by John we
don't know for sure, but we do know that he was about thirty years old at the time.
(Luke 3:21-23)

Jesus' own ministry ran about three years before he was cut off. So if we add 3 to
29 we get 32 CE.

* We're not trying to prove that Jesus was the Messiah predicted by Daniel 9:25-
-26. We're only explaining why we believe he's a reasonable candidate due to the
fact that his life and times coincide remarkably well with Daniel's time element.

A word of caution: If perchance someone out there feels like computing Messiah's
first visit on their own, just be sure to begin your dating with the commission to
rebuild the city of Jerusalem rather than the Temple because those two tasks
weren't taken up simultaneously.
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[Beetow]

A Word Of Caution:

If perchance someone out there feels like computing Messiah's first visit on their
own, just be sure to begin your dating with the commission to rebuild the city of
Jerusalem rather than the Temple because those two tasks weren't taken up
simultaneously.

NOTE: Unfortunately important genealogies archived in the Temple were lost when
Titus sacked Jerusalem; so that now any man claiming to be Messiah will have
some difficulty establishing his relation to David and the tribe of Judah.

* Messiah's association with the tribe of Judah was predicted as far back as Genesis
49:10 which states:

"The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." (cf.
Sanhedrin 98b)
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[Phedup]

You need to try and see this outside of your own paradigm, which is nearly impossible.

Jesus was a jew, the apostles were jews, the first to believe in Jesus as the messiah were jews.

The jews knew when to expect the messiah, in part by a book that is forbidden to you and now also to the jews; The first book of Enoch-which is actually the third or something like that-it is what the Coptic Christians stiil have in their bibles.

Anyways, when Jesus was asked if he was the messiah, he did not say "yup", or merely make a declarative statement that he was. He told John's messengers to tell him what they saw, That he was doing miricles and teaching.

The people he gathered were Jews as the Jews are God's symbol to the world.

Then the gentiles took over Christianity. They changed it into something that is abhorent to the Jew but tickles the ears of the Goy.

In Judaism there is no sacrafice that can be made for a persons intentional sin. Intentional sin can only be made right by repentance, prayere and atonements help. But it must be made by the person who commited the intentional sin. There is no repentace for intentional sin if the person did not acknowledge the sorrow of that sin until after he was caught (Sorry King David, but Uriah probably has some words for you at Judgement).

Sacraficing a humans was a concept in pagan religion of the gentiles/Goy. Judaism allowed no human sacarafice.

In Judaism, no one can "pay" for your sins. Only you can deal with your sins before God.

Gentile christianity negated the law. For the Jews, the law remains unchanged until heaven and earth pass away.

In Judaism, Jesus was circumsized and would not allowed to be a sacrafice because he was scared. In Judaism the passover lamb, paschel lamb, was not sacraficed for sin, but only to put the blood over the doorway to save the first born male of that household.

Jesus was the messiah, some Jews recognized him as such and followed him and became his disciples and became his apostles and spread the gospel message of repentance to the world.

But this gentile christianity is an abhoration to the Jew.

 

[Phedup]

scarred, blemished, not scared. Not a good speller here.