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Can you hear me now?


As an African American male, a personal friend inquired about my thoughts on the George Floyd topic, which has gained headline coverage. In summary, George Floyd's death at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer due to the prolonged placement of the officer's knee on George's neck has ignited many protests, looting, shooting, and cries for reform. There is so much so say, but in my response to my friend, I've decided to formulate my thoughts in this order. (A) Is there a problem? (B) What is the problem? ( C) How do we solve the problem? We all have different perspectives because we are all unique. The perspective I bring is that of an individual of dual citizenship (Liberia & American citizenship), an African American, a Male, and a Christian. Identifiers are listed in reverse order of significance to me.


Is there a problem?


When entering such conversations, one of the most common mistakes that we often make is that we assume that the way in which we see the world is shared by others. As a result, we are easily upset, confused, or disappointed when we realized that everyone does not see the world the same way that we do. For example, many men lack empathy for the issue of sexual harassment. Since they don't experience the world through the lens of a female, many are not aware of the looks, inappropriate comments, solicitations, etc, that women often get. Similarly, it would be a misstep if I would approach my thoughts on this issue by assuming that everyone believes the issue of George Floyd is "a problem." For some, the belief is that if people didn't commit crimes; they wouldn't have to deal with the police. Others still hold the position that if individuals only obeyed the commands of police officers, they wouldn't find themselves dead. I, however, would disagree and state that there is a problem.


What is the problem?


Though the problem on a much larger scale is often referred to as police brutality, give me a moment to illuminate for you why through my eyes, that is not the problem. Police brutality is simply a manifestation of a more significant problem. Time and time again, we see on the news the death of African American males at the hands of police officers, and the outcry is these police are bad people, and we need to weed out all of the "bad apple". I see it differently. First the term bad apple is one we need to stop using because it promotes a certain level of tolerance for misconduct. Some errors of misconduct cannot be tolerated at all. It would be unacceptable for airplane companies to say, “most of our pilots know how to fly planes, only a few bad apples have crashes because they don't have their pilots license”. Such a comment would be absurd. Similarly a principal would not say, most of our school teachers respect child, we only have a few “bad apples” who are on the sex offender registry. Get my point? For police officers, the tolerance should be 0% for such misconduct [George Floyd's death]. Just as all (100%) of pilots must have a pilots license and all (100%) of school teachers must have a clear criminal background, the tolerance for police brutality should be (0%). And with this in mind, let us go deeper because police brutality is not the problem but a symptom.


Let us first ask, what makes a police officer? When a baby is born, is there a certain gene or stamp that says this child will be a police officer? Certainly not. Though certain personality types may be led to the profession of law enforcement or certain moments of trauma may lead to wanting to make the world safer for others, there is not one factor that distinguishes who will choose to become a police officer[in my opinion]. Police officers come from society. They don't come from Mars or Venus; they are members of our communities; they go to school with us and attend our churches. Citizens similarly look at politicians, and we complain about corruption and scandals. Citizens campaign on reform, but when in office, find themselves doing the very same thing they protested against. When outside of politics, the sins of the politician are somehow seen differently from ours. We complain that a politician is being led by greed when stealing[misappropriating funds] taxpayer money, but we overlook that the same spirit of greed is leading us when we are cheating on our taxes to get the biggest refund.


Likewise, I see the issue of police brutality as only a symptom of the much deeper issue of racism[for some, it is a blindspot]. Imagine a teacher who feels a certain disgust towards African Americans and thus gives less time to their Black students in the classroom, or more often than White students sends them out for suspension. Imagine a financial advisor who sees African Americans as inferior and is less likely to give them a loan for a home. If these individuals were to change jobs and decide that they wanted to now be a police officer, how do you think their attitudes towards African Americans would present itself in the role of police? I dare to say that it would be manifested as police brutality. Yet the issue did not start as a police brutality issue but one of racism. Though there is room for police reform and changes in policies such as restraints, if policing reform was the issue [primary] because police were not adequately trained, you would see such negligence proportional represented among all police encounters. However, this is not the case as Blacks who make up only around 16% of the U.S population, represent nearly 50% of those shot by officers. Though some may be quick to ask, perhaps the answer is a result of Blacks being more violent, the video evidence in which we have seen [numerous times] shows that these deaths often involve victims who are not resisting arrest or capable of resisting[due to being handcuffed]. So though it may be easy to point the fingers at police officers or police brutality as the problem, I see that the real problem is racism, which is one that lives not only in the hearts of police officers. Furthermore, instead of trying to focus on removing the bad apples from the bad tree, why don't we grow the tree in a healthy soil[society] so that the apples will naturally be good because the tree is good?


How do we solve the problem?

Seeing that our issue is one of racism, how do we solve that problem? Wow, what a hard question. Asking the question of how do you solve racism is like asking, how do you solve the problem of poverty. Just as the solution to racism is not simply financial, hopefully, we've learned since the Civil Rights movement that the solution to racism is not simply legal. Money can help someone buy a home; however, if they have an issue with addiction, eventually they will take the money and use it for their habits and end up back in their situation of poverty. Likewise, changing laws will help to write on paper the laws of the land, but unless such laws are written on our hearts, when individuals feel that there is a chance to get away with it, they will show their true colors. I think the solution involves first prayer and reflection, and second action within your sphere of influence. Obviously legal reform and police oversight is a third and also important factor, but for now I'll focus on the first two [since they are more primary].


I think we all should first pray for wisdom and reflect and search ourselves. We should reflect on how we view people who are different from us. I believe that African American's should seek to forgive Americans for all that has happened [slavery to police brutality] in order to remove the anger, and I believe that White Americans should show empathy by acknowledging the hurt which they may not themselves feel, to remove the blindspot.


Concerning action, I think that each of us has a sphere of influence in which we can make the most impact. Each of us has friends, family, and organizations that we belong to and can create better connections with each other. The more we love each other and treat each other like Jesus did, we will realize that there is only one race, the human race; expressed through various flavors in the ethnicities and cultures of the people.


When living in Baltimore City during the Freddie Gray protest, I decided to respond with love. I purchased numerous gift cards for police officers, and took to the streets to thank them[police officers] for their service to our community, knowing that many were doing the right thing. My hope was that if police could receive love from the community, feeling loved would result in responding and policing with love. Furthermore [in 2015], I drafted up some ideas on community policing and delivered my suggestions to the Mayor's [Stephanie Rowlings-Blake] office in Baltimore City.


My thoughts are that we all have a particular area of influence where we can show love and influence those who listen to us. Police procedural reforms, body-cams, federal department of Justice consent-decrees, and oversights help to some degree; however, none of these which were already in place was sufficient to save the life of George Floyd. Only a heart of love, capable of hearing the words “I can't breathe” and responding based on recognizing the humanity in another, would have made the difference. The heart of the issue is the issue with the heart. The solution is love. God[Jesus] is love. I repeat [on purpose]; only a heart of love, capable of hearing the words “I can't breathe” and responding based on recognizing the humanity in another, would have made the difference. The heart of the issue is the issue with the heart. The solution is love. God[Jesus] is love.





-Wala-Neh Labala
 
Thank you for the worldly incite that you present artfully, but, as a Christian, I saw evil at work. Christians do not like inequality and unjust punishment.. The word of God is supreme.

Proverbs 29:27 (NKJV)
27 An unjust man is an abomination to the righteous,
And he who is upright(righteous) in the way is an abomination to the wicked

The bible clearly points to evil in this world. This is the main problem.

Ephesians 6:12 (NKJV)
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

And what should Christians do?


Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

Who causes these problems?

1 Corinthians 14:33 (NKJV)
33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

Remember not to hang around bad people

Romans 16:17 (NKJV)
Avoid Divisive Persons

17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.
 
Can you hear me now?


As an African American male, a personal friend inquired about my thoughts on the George Floyd topic, which has gained headline coverage. In summary, George Floyd's death at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer due to the prolonged placement of the officer's knee on George's neck has ignited many protests, looting, shooting, and cries for reform. There is so much so say, but in my response to my friend, I've decided to formulate my thoughts in this order. (A) Is there a problem? (B) What is the problem? ( C) How do we solve the problem? We all have different perspectives because we are all unique. The perspective I bring is that of an individual of dual citizenship (Liberia & American citizenship), an African American, a Male, and a Christian. Identifiers are listed in reverse order of significance to me.


Is there a problem?


When entering such conversations, one of the most common mistakes that we often make is that we assume that the way in which we see the world is shared by others. As a result, we are easily upset, confused, or disappointed when we realized that everyone does not see the world the same way that we do. For example, many men lack empathy for the issue of sexual harassment. Since they don't experience the world through the lens of a female, many are not aware of the looks, inappropriate comments, solicitations, etc, that women often get. Similarly, it would be a misstep if I would approach my thoughts on this issue by assuming that everyone believes the issue of George Floyd is "a problem." For some, the belief is that if people didn't commit crimes; they wouldn't have to deal with the police. Others still hold the position that if individuals only obeyed the commands of police officers, they wouldn't find themselves dead. I, however, would disagree and state that there is a problem.


What is the problem?


Though the problem on a much larger scale is often referred to as police brutality, give me a moment to illuminate for you why through my eyes, that is not the problem. Police brutality is simply a manifestation of a more significant problem. Time and time again, we see on the news the death of African American males at the hands of police officers, and the outcry is these police are bad people, and we need to weed out all of the "bad apple". I see it differently. First the term bad apple is one we need to stop using because it promotes a certain level of tolerance for misconduct. Some errors of misconduct cannot be tolerated at all. It would be unacceptable for airplane companies to say, “most of our pilots know how to fly planes, only a few bad apples have crashes because they don't have their pilots license”. Such a comment would be absurd. Similarly a principal would not say, most of our school teachers respect child, we only have a few “bad apples” who are on the sex offender registry. Get my point? For police officers, the tolerance should be 0% for such misconduct [George Floyd's death]. Just as all (100%) of pilots must have a pilots license and all (100%) of school teachers must have a clear criminal background, the tolerance for police brutality should be (0%). And with this in mind, let us go deeper because police brutality is not the problem but a symptom.


Let us first ask, what makes a police officer? When a baby is born, is there a certain gene or stamp that says this child will be a police officer? Certainly not. Though certain personality types may be led to the profession of law enforcement or certain moments of trauma may lead to wanting to make the world safer for others, there is not one factor that distinguishes who will choose to become a police officer[in my opinion]. Police officers come from society. They don't come from Mars or Venus; they are members of our communities; they go to school with us and attend our churches. Citizens similarly look at politicians, and we complain about corruption and scandals. Citizens campaign on reform, but when in office, find themselves doing the very same thing they protested against. When outside of politics, the sins of the politician are somehow seen differently from ours. We complain that a politician is being led by greed when stealing[misappropriating funds] taxpayer money, but we overlook that the same spirit of greed is leading us when we are cheating on our taxes to get the biggest refund.


Likewise, I see the issue of police brutality as only a symptom of the much deeper issue of racism[for some, it is a blindspot]. Imagine a teacher who feels a certain disgust towards African Americans and thus gives less time to their Black students in the classroom, or more often than White students sends them out for suspension. Imagine a financial advisor who sees African Americans as inferior and is less likely to give them a loan for a home. If these individuals were to change jobs and decide that they wanted to now be a police officer, how do you think their attitudes towards African Americans would present itself in the role of police? I dare to say that it would be manifested as police brutality. Yet the issue did not start as a police brutality issue but one of racism. Though there is room for police reform and changes in policies such as restraints, if policing reform was the issue [primary] because police were not adequately trained, you would see such negligence proportional represented among all police encounters. However, this is not the case as Blacks who make up only around 16% of the U.S population, represent nearly 50% of those shot by officers. Though some may be quick to ask, perhaps the answer is a result of Blacks being more violent, the video evidence in which we have seen [numerous times] shows that these deaths often involve victims who are not resisting arrest or capable of resisting[due to being handcuffed]. So though it may be easy to point the fingers at police officers or police brutality as the problem, I see that the real problem is racism, which is one that lives not only in the hearts of police officers. Furthermore, instead of trying to focus on removing the bad apples from the bad tree, why don't we grow the tree in a healthy soil[society] so that the apples will naturally be good because the tree is good?


How do we solve the problem?

Seeing that our issue is one of racism, how do we solve that problem? Wow, what a hard question. Asking the question of how do you solve racism is like asking, how do you solve the problem of poverty. Just as the solution to racism is not simply financial, hopefully, we've learned since the Civil Rights movement that the solution to racism is not simply legal. Money can help someone buy a home; however, if they have an issue with addiction, eventually they will take the money and use it for their habits and end up back in their situation of poverty. Likewise, changing laws will help to write on paper the laws of the land, but unless such laws are written on our hearts, when individuals feel that there is a chance to get away with it, they will show their true colors. I think the solution involves first prayer and reflection, and second action within your sphere of influence. Obviously legal reform and police oversight is a third and also important factor, but for now I'll focus on the first two [since they are more primary].


I think we all should first pray for wisdom and reflect and search ourselves. We should reflect on how we view people who are different from us. I believe that African American's should seek to forgive Americans for all that has happened [slavery to police brutality] in order to remove the anger, and I believe that White Americans should show empathy by acknowledging the hurt which they may not themselves feel, to remove the blindspot.


Concerning action, I think that each of us has a sphere of influence in which we can make the most impact. Each of us has friends, family, and organizations that we belong to and can create better connections with each other. The more we love each other and treat each other like Jesus did, we will realize that there is only one race, the human race; expressed through various flavors in the ethnicities and cultures of the people.


When living in Baltimore City during the Freddie Gray protest, I decided to respond with love. I purchased numerous gift cards for police officers, and took to the streets to thank them[police officers] for their service to our community, knowing that many were doing the right thing. My hope was that if police could receive love from the community, feeling loved would result in responding and policing with love. Furthermore [in 2015], I drafted up some ideas on community policing and delivered my suggestions to the Mayor's [Stephanie Rowlings-Blake] office in Baltimore City.


My thoughts are that we all have a particular area of influence where we can show love and influence those who listen to us. Police procedural reforms, body-cams, federal department of Justice consent-decrees, and oversights help to some degree; however, none of these which were already in place was sufficient to save the life of George Floyd. Only a heart of love, capable of hearing the words “I can't breathe” and responding based on recognizing the humanity in another, would have made the difference. The heart of the issue is the issue with the heart. The solution is love. God[Jesus] is love. I repeat [on purpose]; only a heart of love, capable of hearing the words “I can't breathe” and responding based on recognizing the humanity in another, would have made the difference. The heart of the issue is the issue with the heart. The solution is love. God[Jesus] is love.





-Wala-Neh Labala
The solution to everything is Love...God is clear..everything will fade away but love is the one thing that will remain in the spiritual world but right now , in the physical realm the problem is that there is evil in the world and 75 % of blacks are born out of wedlock.
 
The solution to everything is Love...God is clear..everything will fade away but love is the one thing that will remain in the spiritual world but right now , in the physical realm the problem is that there is evil in the world and 75 % of blacks are born out of wedlock.
Love is nothing if it does not translate into action. Being born out of wedlock does not mean it's ok for the police to kill you. God is a God of justice, and all Christians should challenge injustice.
 
Love is nothing if it does not translate into action. Being born out of wedlock does not mean it's ok for the police to kill you. God is a God of justice, and all Christians should challenge injustice.
Did you have parents that taught you right from wrong, most of the 75% of blacks born out of wedlock have not.The "Systemic Problem " is not racism it is a society out of control. I AM not excusing the white policeman who used their knee to kill another, hang him from the highest yard-arm because of his injustice! We need to get rid of all or any like him but the Systemic Problem lies in the black community and you know that! GOD weeps because we fail to address this, much like killing over 50 million babies because it's a woman's right!! No way is it right but many more blacks are killed by other blacks..
what about that?
 
Maybe stop writing stuff on the internet until you've had a few good quality conversations with black men and women. Ask: 'have you experienced racism? What effect has it had on you in the past and now?' Listen carefully to the answers
 
Maybe stop writing stuff on the internet until you've had a few good quality conversations with black men and women. Ask: 'have you experienced racism? What effect has it had on you in the past and now?' Listen carefully to the answers
You didn't here a word I wrote! Since Roe vs. Wade , of the over 44 million babies aborted, @ 19 million were black and they are only @ 18 % of the population...systemic or not? Is God not truth?
 
Here's a good hour long conversation in podcast form. I know that one of these men pastors. It's addressing the issue in the UK, where we have the same issues, not quite at the intensity.

 
You didn't here a word I wrote!
I didn't respond directly because what you wrote was so horribly misguided. How can you possibly conclude that racism is not a problem? Listen with humility to what black people are saying about their experience.

If you don't have a good connection with many black people, maybe reach out to @Jesus_is_LORD on this forum to hear more of what he has to say.
 
Keep your head in the sand Brother?
Why do you say my head is in the sand?

Do you really believe that if more black children were born to married couples, cops would stop killing them? That's what it would take?
 
I'm sorry, maybe it is people who think like you is the Systemic Problem! You keep them oppressed! Trump is the only President who is trying to give them a hand up and repectibility. I would believe that God is on the side of truth not appeasement.
 
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I'm sorry, maybe it is people who think like you is the Systemic Problem! You keep them oppressed! Trump is the only President who is trying to give them a hand up and repectibility. I would believe that God is on the side of truth not appeasement.
Can you explain why you believe my thoughts are oppressive?

I'm still waiting on an answer to the question why you say racism is not part of the systemic problem. In the context of this thread, it's an important question.

Finally, I've repeatedly suggested you listen carefully to black people's experiences. You've not responded.
 
You are obviously a Liberal Democrat and I've given up communicating with you. One example: there was a retired BLACK officer shot in the head and killed during the recent melee....where is the out rage...there is none by the "liberal Left" . Nothing said about the overwhelming black on black crime...just the very small white on black crime, because that does not fit your narrative. Nothing said about the white on white crime...that does not fit your Systemic Racism agenda. I have already said that the Officer, who killed with his knee, deserves murder 1 and execution. That is not appeasement, that is justice. BUT you don't care , all you want is appeasement, even for the anarchists...you support bad behavior of all people and therefore enable it!! You oppress all of them by supporting their behaviors. You always espouse love and hate but it is only for the White and never for the Minority. You and the Liberal media are not honest! Your kind of thinking is childish and weakens Society.
Do you really think God wants this?
 
You don't know as much about me as you claim to.

In particular, as a brother in Christ, you don't have the option to cut me off because the political opinions you assume I have differ from yours.

Our unity in Christ supersedes political differences, unless a particular political position has become an idol.

I don't think it's childish to listen carefully to people who are suffering injustice. That is fundamentally what I am suggesting you do.

There is overwhelming evidence that America has deeply ingrained systemic racism.
 
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