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Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church

ucs1923

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Irenaeus of Lyons
“The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the church [of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus" (Against Heresies 3:3:3 – 189 AD)

Tertullian of Carthage
“[T]his is the way in which the apostolic churches transmit their lists: like the church of the Smyrneans, which records that Polycarp was placed there by John, like the church of the Romans, where Clement was ordained by Peter" (Demurrer Against the Heretics 32:2 – 200 AD)

The Little Labyrinth
“Victor . . . was the thirteenth bishop of Rome from Peter" (The Little Labyrinth – 211 AD, quoted in Eusebius, Church History 5:28:3).

Cyprian of Carthage
“The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. ... ’ [Matthew 16:18]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. . . . If someone [today] does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; first edition – 251 AD)

“Cornelius was made bishop by the decision of God and of his Christ, by the testimony of almost all the clergy, by the applause of the people then present, by the college of venerable priests and good men, at a time when no one had been made [bishop] before him—when the place of [Pope] Fabian, which is the place of Peter, the dignity of the sacerdotal chair, was vacant. Since it has been occupied both at the will of God and with the ratified consent of all of us, whoever now wishes to become bishop must do so outside. For he cannot have ecclesiastical rank who does not hold to the unity of the Church" (Letters 55:[52]):8 – 253 AD)

“With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and blasphemers to the chair of Peter and to the principal church [at Rome], in which sacerdotal unity has its source" (Letters 59:14 – 253 AD)
Eusebius of Caesarea

“Paul testifies that Crescens was sent to Gaul [II Timothy 4:10], but Linus, whom he mentions in the Second Epistle to Timothy [II Timothy 4:21] as his companion at Rome, was Peter’s successor in the episcopate of the church there, as has already been shown. Clement also, who was appointed third bishop of the church at Rome, was, as Paul testifies, his co-laborer and fellow-soldier [Philippians 4:3]" (Church History 3:4:9–10 – 312 AD)

Pope Julius I
“[The] judgment [against Athanasius] ought to have been made, not as it was, but according to the ecclesiastical canon. . . . Are you ignorant that the custom has been to write first to us and then for a just decision to be passed from this place [Rome]? If, then, any such suspicion rested upon the bishop there [Athanasius of Alexandria], notice of it ought to have been written to the church here. But now, after having done as they pleased, they want to obtain our concurrence, although we never condemned him. Not thus are the constitutions of Paul, not thus the traditions of the Fathers. This is another form of procedure, and a novel practice. . . . What I write about this is for the common good. For what we have heard from the blessed apostle Peter, these things I signify to you" (Letter on Behalf of Athanasius – 341 AD, contained in Athanasius, Apology Against the Arians 20–35).

Council of Sardica
f any bishop loses the judgment in some case [decided by his fellow bishops] and still believes that he has not a bad but a good case, in order that the case may be judged anew . . . let us honor the memory of the apostle Peter by having those who have given the judgment write to Julius, bishop of Rome, so that if it seem proper he may himself send arbiters and the judgment may be made again by the bishops of a neighboring province" (Canon 3 – 342 AD)

Optatus
“You cannot deny that you are aware that in the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas [‘Rock’]—of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained by all" (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 – 367 AD)

Epiphanius of Salamis
“At Rome the first apostles and bishops were Peter and Paul, then Linus, then Cletus, then Clement, the contemporary of Peter and Paul" (Medicine Chest Against All Heresies 27:6 – 375 AD)

Pope Damasus I
“Likewise it is decreed: . . . [W]e have considered that it ought to be announced that . . . the holy Roman Church has been placed at the forefront not by the conciliar decisions of other churches, but has received the primacy by the evangelic voice of our Lord and Savior, who says: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it; and I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you shall have bound on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall have loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven’ [Matthew 16:18–19]. The first see [today], therefore, is that of Peter the apostle, that of the Roman Church, which has neither stain nor blemish nor anything like it" (Decree of Damasus 3 – 382 AD)

Jerome
“[Pope] Stephen . . . was the blessed Peter’s twenty-second successor in the See of Rome" (Against the Luciferians 23 – 383 AD)
“Clement, of whom the apostle Paul writing to the Philippians says ‘With Clement and others of my fellow-workers whose names are written in the book of life,’ the fourth bishop of Rome after Peter, if indeed the second was Linus and the third Anacletus, although most of the Latins think that Clement was second after the apostle" (Lives of Illustrious Men 15 – 396 AD)

“Since the East, shattered as it is by the long-standing feuds, subsisting between its peoples, is bit by bit tearing into shreds the seamless vest of the Lord . . . I think it my duty to consult the chair of Peter, and to turn to a church [Rome] whose faith has been praised by Paul [Romans 1:8]. I appeal for spiritual food to the church whence I have received the garb of Christ. . . . Evil children have squandered their patrimony; you alone keep your heritage intact" (Letters 15:1 – 396 AD)

“I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built. Whoever eats the Lamb outside this house is profane. Anyone who is not in the ark of Noah will perish when the flood prevails" (Letters 15:2 – 396 AD)

“The church here is split into three parts, each eager to seize me for its own. . . . Meanwhile I keep crying, ‘He that is joined to the chair of Peter is accepted by me!’ . . . Therefore, I implore your blessedness [Pope Damasus I] . . . tell me by letter with whom it is that I should communicate in Syria” (Letters 16:2 – 396 AD)
Ambrose of Milan

“[T]hey [the Novatian heretics] have not the succession of Peter, who hold not the chair of Peter, which they rend by wicked schism; and this, too, they do, wickedly denying that sins can be forgiven [by the sacrament of confession] even in the Church, whereas it was said to Peter: ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever thou shall loose on earth shall be loosed also in heaven’[Matthew 16:19]" (Penance 1:7:33 – 388 AD)
Augustine

“If all men throughout the world were such as you most vainly accuse them of having been, what has the chair of the Roman church done to you, in which Peter sat, and in which Anastasius sits today?" (Against the Letters of Petilani 2:118 – 402 AD)

“If the very order of episcopal succession is to be considered, how much more surely, truly, and safely do we number them from Peter himself, to whom, as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said, ‘Upon this rock I will build my Church’ . . . [Matthew 16:18]. Peter was succeeded by Linus, Linus by Clement, Clement by Anacletus, Anacletus by Evaristus . . . " (Letters 53:1:2 – 412 AD)

Council of Ephesus
“Philip the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See said: ‘There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who down even to today and forever both lives and judges in his successors. The holy and most blessed pope Celestine, according to due order, is his successor and holds his place, and us he sent to supply his place in this holy synod’" (Acts of the Council, session 3 – 431 AD)

Peter Chrysologus
“We exhort you in every respect, honorable brother, to heed obediently what has been written by the most blessed pope of the city of Rome, for blessed Peter, who lives and presides in his own see, provides the truth of faith to those who seek it. For we, by reason of our pursuit of peace and faith, cannot try cases on the faith without the consent of the bishop of Rome" (Letters 25:2 – 449 AD)
Council of Chalcedon
 
Just remember, everything in the Bible is true, BUT NOT everything that is true is in the Bible!! The quotations are from the Early Christians after the Apostles, the Church Fathers. By the way, EVERYTHING the Catholic Church teaches today, the early Christians believed!! Purgatory, Prayers to the Saints and Mary, Honoring Mary, the Authority of the Pope, Apostolic Tradition, Apostolic Sucession...everything. Because Jesus Christ Founded the Catholic Church
 
Everything is true.

Just remember, everything in the Bible is true, BUT NOT everything that is true is in the Bible!! The quotations are from the Early Christians after the Apostles, the Church Fathers. By the way, EVERYTHING the Catholic Church teaches today, the early Christians believed!! Purgatory, Prayers to the Saints and Mary, Honoring Mary, the Authority of the Pope, Apostolic Tradition, Apostolic Sucession...everything. Because Jesus Christ Founded the Catholic Church

Just a reminder of the rules of "THIS" forum. We recognize the bible being 66 books. Everything proved true in this forum comes from some scripture and passages from those 66 books. We do not recognize any hidden books (Apocrypha) or other works.

We also don't recognize any denomination as having authority, including the Catholic Church.

There are lot's to talk about within those 66 books, and you will have to prove what you are trying to teach from those 66 books, so make sure your able to do so.

Thank you.

Jesus Is Lord.
 
Hello ucs1923.

People will react to your thread, try and remain calm.

Just curious, have you read the Bible in any depth?
 
By the way, EVERYTHING the Catholic Church teaches today, the early Christians believed!!

Got any non-extra-biblical scriptures to back this up?

Jesus Christ Founded the Catholic Church
If that was really true, how strange then that this church persecuted and killed Christians for over 1200 years! Would Christ do that? And how strange that even though Jesus quoted scripture many times, the Catholic church wouldn't even let the people read the bible.:shock:
 
Hello all.

The blue lines are extracts from verses found in Revelations chapters 17 and 18.

I have tried to be as brief as possible. My explanation of the lines in blue is reasonable I think. Please read slowly and carefully.

"...Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,..."


The great harlot is a promiscuous woman, not faithful to her husband or true husband.

" I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus."


The woman was drunk with the blood of the saints? Four inquisitions, RCC's war against heresy.

"...the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns."

"... The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits."


Rome is famous for the seven hills that surround it.

" The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues."

The woman rules over many nations of the Earth.

" And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”


"Great city" very few cities could compare with Rome, what an incredible history Rome has. One of the greatest empires the
world has ever seen.

" I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’

She regards herself as numero uno, the only true bride of Christ.

" For your merchants were the great men of the earth, "

Painters, sculptors, fashion, cars, wine, opera, etc, etc, etc.

" for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived."


False representation of the doctrines of the Bible, false church.

"And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth."

Those the Catholic Church had executed in the four inquisitions alone, would be numerous. Let alone the wars she waged against other countries, etc.

And I heard another voice from heaven saying,

"Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues"

This is probably the statement that is the most telling of all. The harlot is definitely a church. Come out of her, my people, Christians were residing within this organisation.


"because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication;

Her political, spiritual, cultural influences and alliances corrupted Christianity World Wide.

I believe the harlot is beyond question the RCC, no single church has ever even remotely had the influence the RCC has.
 
The ancient Dagon religion is mentioned in 8 places in the Bible. This false church still exists today in our modern age masquerading as the true Church of God. Google "Dagon the fish god" and see the truth.

Joshua 19:27
Judges 16:23
1Samuel 5:2,3,4,5,7
1Chronicles 10:10



 
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all the popes are antichrist all!!!! the Popes proclaim!!!!!!
2 Thessalonians 2:4 says,"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
"Holy Father of Fathers."
"Pontiff Supreme Over Prelates."
"Overseer of the Christian Religion."
"Pastor of Pastors."
"Christ by Unction."
"Abraham by Patriachate."
"Melchisedec in Order."
"Moses in Authority."
"Samuel in the Judicial Office."
"High Priest, Supreme Bishop."
"Heir to the Apostles; Peter in Power."
"Key-bearer of the Kingdom of Heaven."
"Pontiff Appointed with Plenitude of Power."
"Vicar of Christ."
"Vicar of the Son of God."
"Sovereign Priest."
"Head of all the Holy Churches."
"Chief of the Universal Church."
"Bishop of Bishops."
"Ruler of the House of the Lord."
"Apostolic Lord and Father of Fathers."
"Chief Pastor and Teacher."
"Physician of Souls."
"Rock against which the proud gates of hell prevail not."
"Infallible Pope."
"Head of All the Holy Priests of God"
"Chief bridge maker"
Some additional info on "some" of the names:
Pontifix Maximus is a papal title meaning in Latin "chief bridge maker" between earth and heaven.
However, JesusChrist is the only One who can claim this title because "no man cometh unto the Father,
but by me." John 14:6. This was a title of the Roman Caesars and of the Roman Emperors of paganism.
Holy Father is a title the pope claims for himself. However, this title occurs only once in the Bible,
and used when Jesus addresses His Heavenly Father in John 17:11 in His great prayer before His betrayal,
arrest and crucifixion.
Father is a title that every Roman Catholic priest claims for himself and expects to be called.
Jesus warns in Matthew 23:9 "Call no man your father upon the earth:
for one is your father which is in heaven."
The catholic priest is not regarded in Scripture to be anyone's spiritual father.
Monsignor This means "my Lord", and this clearly is a title belonging only to God, the Lord JesusChrist.
Reverend is a title of many Roman Catholic priests and Protestant ministers.
This is also a title for God in Psalms 111:9 "Holy and Reverend is his name.
"It is blasphemy for any man to take to himself a title of God.
"Mother of God" - Title given to Mary which denotes blasphemy,
as it diverts worship to Mary. Mary was the mother of JesusChrist's humanity,
but not the mother of JesusChrist's divinity. i have been studying this for 25+ years and if you are looking
somewhere else you are looking in the wrong place! the antichrist has been here for a long time !
the christian world wondered after the beast/ vatican/ pope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
If that was really true, how strange then that this church persecuted and killed Christians for over 1200 years! Would Christ do that? And how strange that even though Jesus quoted scripture many times, the Catholic church wouldn't even let the people read the bible.

I agree.

UCS1923...copying and pasting things without actual research is false knowledge and no knowledge at all. As a matter of fact, your preaching that Jesus found the "Catholic Church" is false and not true. You obviously did not do proper research.

I grew up in catholic church, family, 12 years of catholic school too. I know it front and back. They are not 100% or even remotely close, Scriptural. The Bible is 66 books. Nothing hidden. No false doctrines within.

Catholicism is man-made non-sense. The pope, the golden ridiculous looking hat he wears, the Pharisee style uniforms and attitude is nothing from Jesus whatsoever. And he lets "fans" kiss his hands as if he's holier than thou. Disgusting.

Why believe in anything that "sounds" Christian when you can get to the real source and 100% of it directly in the Holy Bible?

Do me a favor and don't post anymore nonsense promoting what you're trying to promote. This is Talk Jesus forum. Its about Jesus. Catholicism is not about Jesus. Its about edifying the church buildings, stained glass windows, the pope, deacons, etc. They are edified higher than Jesus Himself.
 
chad thank you and god bless you for standing up for real christians and it is a shame the the catholic people do not even now what thay Worship and it sure is not christ.
 
chad thank you and god bless you for standing up for real christians and it is a shame the the catholic people do not even now what thay Worship and it sure is not christ.

Actually, Kevin, there are millions of Romanists that are on fire born again Christians. They are still in the Romanist church, but watch them. GOD will move them out when it's time.
 
Actually, Kevin, there are millions of Romanists that are on fire born again Christians. They are still in the Romanist church, but watch them. GOD will move them out when it's time.

I don't see how or why someone who is an on fire born again Christian would be involved in any way with the Catholic church. When you are born again you have necessarily repented of your sins and dead works, and are trusting in Jesus only - not any rituals, works, in Mary, etc.

So I hope you don't mean someone can be born again and still say their "hail Marys", use the rosary, etc. If they do these "Romanish" things I think they are still dead in their sins. Or are they just pretending to be Catholics, and for what reason? I don't think one can be an on fire born-again Roman Catholic Christian, any more than I could be an on fire born-again Jehovah's Witness Christian.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point in this post?
 
I don't see how or why someone who is an on fire born again Christian would be involved in any way with the Catholic church. When you are born again you have necessarily repented of your sins and dead works, and are trusting in Jesus only - not any rituals, works, in Mary, etc.

So I hope you don't mean someone can be born again and still say their "hail Marys", use the rosary, etc. If they do these "Romanish" things I think they are still dead in their sins. Or are they just pretending to be Catholics, and for what reason? I don't think one can be an on fire born-again Roman Catholic Christian, any more than I could be an on fire born-again Jehovah's Witness Christian.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point in this post?

No I don't think you misunderstood what I said but their motives for staying where they are. You see, as they learn and grow they see the fallacy of the Romanist church and they move out. The thing is...you can't avoid danger till you know its there.
Its that way with all of us. Learn and do and grow, learn and do and grow.....
 
the roman catholic chursh

Actually, Kevin, there are millions of Romanists that are on fire born again Christians. They are still in the Romanist church, but watch them. GOD will move them out when it's time.

Yes there are millions of Romanists that are on fire born again Christians!!. the problem is you can not serve God and christ and mary and the pope and the vatican all at the same time!! and that is what thay do { this is satans plan and it is working so far thay put the pope and mary in front of christ.} That is what i! think God means when he says come out of her my people!
come out of her my people and just serve me! christ and God only.
 
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In his profile, UCS1923 claims he was born again in 1980. I have to wonder what he means by "born again"? One can't be on fire for Christ and on fire for a denomination at the same time.

SLE
 
In his profile, UCS1923 claims he was born again in 1980. I have to wonder what he means by "born again"? One can't be on fire for Christ and on fire for a denomination at the same time.

SLE

Interesting you should say that Ed. Considering that there are many real born again denominations.

I'm not a Romanist but I do know many of them that are born again, tongue talking, hands laying on and seeing them healed Christians. More than I can say for many non Romanist Christians.

Its not right to come down on any brother or sister just because they are a different denomination, or because they think differently from us. Where is the LOVE in that?

How can we judge anybody? We don't know them nor do we know where they are coming from or going through to get where we're going.
 
PLEASE! In the name of Jesus! Read your Bibles! If you spend time every day, zealously seeking God's truth, you will readily recognize the lies of the Catholic dogma. Many of these lies are spiritually dangerous, and lead people into gross idolatry. The other lies simply leave sheep that actually love the LORD to be harassed, disempowered, and wandering without a Shepherd.

May the LORD open the eyes of your hear, UCS. May He give you ears to hear. In Jesus' name I pray.
 
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