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Jaareshiah, let us reason together and seek truth.

Strypes

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I recently met Jaareshiah here at talk Jesus. He is a Jehovah's witness.

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Instead of hijacking other threads, I would like to converse with Jaareshiah here, so as to let the threads continue on topic

No, I have no need to post my "testimony" here, and I am in good standing with the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. This site is not an "apostate" website, but is only a religious forum, whereby Scriptural information can be placed so that people can give thought to what the Bible really teaches.

Does the Bible "really" teach that Jesus is "really" Michael the arch angel?

Does the Bible "really" teach that the Holy Spirit is a thing?

Does the Bible "really" teach that Jesus was not physically raised from the dead (only spiritually raised)?

(no, it doesn't)


How about a few questions specifically for you..


Are you claiming time spent on this website on your time sheet?

If your elders discovered you were visiting a site such as this one, would you remain "in good standing"?

Did you reject communion at the last memorial?

The questions I asked were not answered in the threads so I would like to re-ask them here.

Talk to me Jaareshiah. Come, let us reason together and seek truth.



john 8:31-32
 
I recently met Jaareshiah here at talk Jesus. He is a Jehovah's witness.



Instead of hijacking other threads, I would like to converse with Jaareshiah here, so as to let the threads continue on topic





The questions I asked were not answered in the threads so I would like to re-ask them here.

Talk to me Jaareshiah. Come, let us reason together and seek truth.



john 8:31-32

I have already seen your demeanor, in which you have a strong dislike for Jehovah's Witnesses. I am not here to be questioned like a Congressional Committee, answering questions that you have already made up your mind on. Jesus went throughout Israel, "journeying from city to city and from village to village, preaching and declaring the good news of the kingdom of God."(Luke 8:1)

My purpose, which should be everyone who calls themselves "Christian", is to closely follow Jesus words: "And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come."(Matt 24:14)

I will not engage in a debate about various questions, for the apostle Paul wrote to Timothy: "Therefore I desire that in every place the men carry on prayer, lifting up loyal hands, apart from wrath and debates."(1 Tim 2:8) This will be all I have to say on this thread. You will find me on other threads from time to time.
 
You could have sent him a private message. In my words - a true Christian is one who believes Jesus is the son of God, believes in Adam and Eve and pretty much takes all scripture as literal. I also understand why Catholics believe Jesus to be God in flesh since two gospels mention that. I on the other hand, believe God created Him and He is separate from God, after all, He prayed to God didn't He?

And yes, as Christians, it's our job to follow the verse of Matt 24:14, we are meant to be the disciples of Jesus - filled with the Holy Spirit to continue His job He started 2011 years ago.

We've successful shown the whole world the good news but many souls still need to be saved.
 
Jaareshiah,

Answer me one question,

Do you consider anyone here at Talk Jesus, that is not a Jehovah's witness, a "true christian" even if they have given their heart and life to Jesus, abide in His word but reject the teachings of the watchtower?


(no theocratic warfare please)

(Theocratic warfare: the justified lying to non jehovah's witness because they feel that anyone outside the organization is not entitled to an honest answer if it reflects badly on the organization)


I will assume you do count time spent here on your time sheet, the elders have no clue you are violating their directive to avoid internet sites not approved by organization, and you rejected the wine and the bread at the last memorial and plan to do so again this coming memorial. Additionally, you will encourage others to join you at the memorial to reject Jesus too.



LifeinJesus,

Common ground should be at Calvary. But there is no common ground with Jehovah's witnesses. Their "jesus" is not Jesus at all. They do not believe Jesus was literally raised from the Dead. They believe Jesus is really the arch angel michael and NOT GOD. They do not acknowledge the Holy Spirit as God (they consider Him a "thing" likened unto electricy and call "it" God's active force) so therefore their "Jehovah" is not the one true living God whom we worship.

You (as I once did) want to include them in the body of Christ and call them brother/ sister because they call themselves "true christians" but did you know that to them you (as a born again) are considered in league with satan? Part of what they call "christendom" that is every demonination from Catholic to baptist and considered EVIL?
 
Jaareshiah,

Answer me one question,

Do you consider anyone here at Talk Jesus, that is not a Jehovah's witness, a "true christian" even if they have given their heart and life to Jesus, abide in His word but reject the teachings of the watchtower?


(no theocratic warfare please)

(Theocratic warfare: the justified lying to non jehovah's witness because they feel that anyone outside the organization is not entitled to an honest answer if it reflects badly on the organization)


I will assume you do count time spent here on your time sheet, the elders have no clue you are violating their directive to avoid internet sites not approved by organization, and you rejected the wine and the bread at the last memorial and plan to do so again this coming memorial. Additionally, you will encourage others to join you at the memorial to reject Jesus too.



LifeinJesus,

Common ground should be at Calvary. But there is no common ground with Jehovah's witnesses. Their "jesus" is not Jesus at all. They do not believe Jesus was literally raised from the Dead. They believe Jesus is really the arch angel michael and NOT GOD. They do not acknowledge the Holy Spirit as God (they consider Him a "thing" likened unto electricy and call "it" God's active force) so therefore their "Jehovah" is not the one true living God whom we worship.

You (as I once did) want to include them in the body of Christ and call them brother/ sister because they call themselves "true christians" but did you know that to them you (as a born again) are considered in league with satan? Part of what they call "christendom" that is every demonination from Catholic to baptist and considered EVIL?

Jesus identified the mark of a true Christian. At Matthew 7:13,14, Jesus stated that many people are on the "broad and spacious...road leading off into destruction". On the other hand, he says that few are on the "narrow...gate and cramped...road leading off into life." To further assist individuals in determining the difference between these two "roads", and the ones on them, he gave an illustration using fruit.

He said that there would be those who come "in sheep's clothing, but inside are ravenous wolves." To identify these ones, he then said that "by their fruits you will recognize them." Speaking of "fruit", he now says that "never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they ?

Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit." He further says: "A good tree cannot bear worthless, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men."(Matt 7:15-20)

Jesus narrows the understanding of who is pleasing to God by the "fruit" these bear, by saying: "Not everyone saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father, who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name. And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you ! Get way from me, you workers of lawlessness."(Matt 7:21-23) The Bible provides identifying marks of a true Christian.

(1) Those who practice it have genuine love among themselves.(John 13:34,35; 1 John 4:8)

(2) All their beliefs are based on the Bible.(John 17:17; 2 Tim 3:16,17)

(3) They pray for God's name of Jehovah to be hallowed or sanctified. (Matt 6:9; Ps 83:18)

(4) They proclaim God's kingdom in all the earth, not some political or social philosophy.(Matt 24:14; Acts 28:23)

(5) They keep separate from the world's affairs, untainted by the world's politics or conflicts, remaining neutral in time of war.(James 1:27; John 17:14)

(6) They put God's kingdom and his righteousness first in their lives.(Matt 6:33)

(7) They cultivate the fruitage of God's spirit, not condoning war or personal violence.(Gal 5:22,23; Rom 12:17-21)

(8) They obey all human laws not contrary to God's law.(Rom 13:1-7)

(9) The true religion successfully unites people of every race, language, and tribe. It does not preach nationalism or hatred, but love worldwide.(Isaiah 2:2-4; Col 3:10,11)

(10)The true religion teaches the truth regarding God's purpose for man and the earth.(Matt 5:5; Ps 115:16; Isaiah 45:18)
 
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Jaareshiah,

Answer me one question,

Do you consider anyone here at Talk Jesus, that is not a Jehovah's witness, a "true christian" even if they have given their heart and life to Jesus, abide in His word but reject the teachings of the watchtower?


It is a yes or no question.
 
It is a yes or no question.

Jesus himself answered your question. Most want an opinion, especially the truth "watered down", rather than what qualifies a person as a Christian. This is like going in through the backdoor. Jesus did not "speak of his own originality "(John 7:17), giving his personal opinion. Rather, Jesus said: "He that speaks of his own originality is seeking his own glory."(John 7:18)

The ten different qualifying points seen in my previous post identify what a true Christian is, and each person can then decide whether or not to give thought to them and make application. Jesus realized that most would be unwilling to measure up to being a true Christian, making excuses or rationalizing. A man asked Jesus: "Lord, are those being saved few ?"(Luke 13:23) Did Jesus softsoap the question ? No. Jesus told the man: "Exert yourself vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able."(Luke 13:24)

Thus, Jesus clearly said that the road to life was hard and trialsome, with one having to ' exert themselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door.' He also said that, although, "many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able." Hence, though many would profess to be Christian, ' seeking to get in', these did not qualify as a true Christian, failing the "grade". So, how many practice genuine love ?(John 13:34,35) How many base all their beliefs or teachings on the Bible, without mixing in a little "darkness" ?(2 Cor 6:14) How many pray to Jehovah God, as Jesus did, worshipping only him ?(Matt 4:10; John 4:22,24)

How many proclaim God's kingdom to everyone they meet, in imitation of Jesus ?(Luke 8:1) How many keep separate from "the world", not mixing in the political arena, nor putting money first in their life ?(John 15:19; 1 Tim 6:9, 10) How many put "first God's kingdom", stripping off the "old personality" and putting on the "new personality" that honors God ?(Matt 6:33; Col 3:9,10) How many work hard to cultivate the "fruitage of the spirit...love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, (and ) self-control" ?(Gal 5:22, 23) How many obey all of "Caesar's laws", when there is no conflict with God's ?(Matt 22:21)

Which religion unites people of every nationality, tribe, or tongue around the world as "one" ? How many has beaten "their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears" whereby "they learn war no more" ?(Isa 2:2-4) How many teach that the earth will remain forever, with "meek" one living on it, just as God purposed in the beginning ?(Isa 45:18; Matt 5:5)

Jesus said that everyone will have to make a decision whether to follow closely in his "footsteps" (1 Pet 2:21) or suffer the consequences.(Luke 21:34-36) I am not the judge of people, but rather only an envoy, explaining to others what is required to gain life under God's kingdom. Jesus is the one appointed by Jehovah God as judge.(John 5:22) What you or anyone else does with their life is a personal decision. But it needs to be remembered, that any decision we make falls back upon us.(Ecc 11:9)
 
Avoiding a direct question because the answer is already known?

Are you ashamed to tell all the folks here at Talk Jesus that your religion considers them worthless and bad associations because they do not follow every whim of the Watchtower?

The question was...
Jaareshiah,

Answer me one question,

Do you consider anyone here at Talk Jesus, that is not a Jehovah's witness, a "true christian" even if they have given their heart and life to Jesus, abide in His word but reject the teachings of the watchtower?

Lets look at Jaareshiah's response and see if we can pick out the loaded language that the Jws use to promote their false doctrines.

Twisting, misquoting, and changing the meaning of scripture along with circular reasoning, are hallmarks of the cult. Using scripture to lure the unsuspecting by giving them "familiar" passages whilst adding a bit of their loaded language.


Jesus identified the mark of a true Christian. At Matthew 7:13,14,

So what does Matthew 7:13-14 say?

Passage: Matthew 7 (ESV Bible Online)

Matthew 7:
The Golden Rule
12 “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

A Tree and Its Fruit
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Build Your House on the Rock
24 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”

The Authority of Jesus
28 And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, 29 for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.



Hummm....The mark of a "true Christian" is the narrow gate? Really?



This passage will be taken out of context to promote the doctrine that ONLY 144000 make it to heaven and all the other Jws will "inherit the earth". "And those that find it are few" The unsuspecting wont even realize they have deceived when they introduce the "little flock" theology and limit salvation to ONLY those "few" with the "heavenly hope" (the 144000) and ONLY the Jehovah's witnesses will inherit the earth whilst ALL of Christendom (all the Catholics, Methodist, Baptist, Pentecostals, etc) are destroyed at Armageddon.

Jesus stated that many people are on the "broad and spacious...road leading off into destruction". On the other hand, he says that few are on the "narrow...gate and cramped...road leading off into life." To further assist individuals in determining the difference between these two "roads", and the ones on them, he gave an illustration using fruit.

the fruit illustration was regarding false prophets

He said that there would be those who come "in sheep's clothing, but inside are ravenous wolves." To identify these ones, he then said that "by their fruits you will recognize them." Speaking of "fruit", he now says that "never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they ?

Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit." He further says: "A good tree cannot bear worthless, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men."(Matt 7:15-20)

Again.. the fruit illustration was regarding false prophets

Jesus narrows the understanding of who is pleasing to God by the "fruit" these bear, by saying: "Not everyone saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father, who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name. And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you ! Get way from me, you workers of lawlessness."(Matt 7:21-23)


Used to promote their doctrine that ALL of Christendom (all the Catholics, Methodist, Baptist, Pentecostals, etc) will be destroyed at Armageddon and ONLY the Jehovah's Witnesses will survive.


To be continued...
 
The Bible provides identifying marks of a true Christian.

(1) Those who practice it have genuine love among themselves.(John 13:34,35; 1 John 4:8)

(2) All their beliefs are based on the Bible.(John 17:17; 2 Tim 3:16,17)

(3) They pray for God's name of Jehovah to be hallowed or sanctified. (Matt 6:9; Ps 83:18)

(4) They proclaim God's kingdom in all the earth, not some political or social philosophy.(Matt 24:14; Acts 28:23)

(5) They keep separate from the world's affairs, untainted by the world's politics or conflicts, remaining neutral in time of war.(James 1:27; John 17:14)

(6) They put God's kingdom and his righteousness first in their lives.(Matt 6:33)

(7) They cultivate the fruitage of God's spirit, not condoning war or personal violence.(Gal 5:22,23; Rom 12:17-21)

(8) They obey all human laws not contrary to God's law.(Rom 13:1-7)

(9) The true religion successfully unites people of every race, language, and tribe. It does not preach nationalism or hatred, but love worldwide.(Isaiah 2:2-4; Col 3:10,11)

(10)The true religion teaches the truth regarding God's purpose for man and the earth.(Matt 5:5; Ps 115:16; Isaiah 45:18)

Lets take these one at a time..

Those who practice it have genuine love among themselves.(John 13:34,35; 1 John 4:8)

The Jehovah's witnesses practice conditional love "among themselves"..

Only if you are in good standing with the congregation are you "love bombed". in other words "accepted" and "included" and given "special privileges". To be in "good standing" you have to abide by every whim of the boys in Brooklyn including but not limited to: attending every meeting, shunning your friends and family members that are NOT in good standing with the congregation because they questioned the doctrines and used their God given brains to think for themselves (to think for yourself is considered prideful, you are to submit to the elders without question and are not allowed to question them or any doctrine or risk being disfellowshiped yourself), abide by all instructions given by the governing body and the writing department in Brooklyn including letting your baby die rather than allow them to have a blood transfusion that would save their lives. (they actually have committees that come to the hospital to make sure you follow their doctrines and refuse blood)

The cruel practice of shunning is rampant in the organization. Those that do not shun their friends and family members that are not in good standing will be considered spiritually "weak" and marked for disciplinary actions up to and including being disfellowshiped themselves. (disfellowshipping is the equivalent of excommunication in the catholic church). Those marked as "spiritually weak" are avoided and endure a lighter version of shunning.

as for the baptist, catholics and all of Christendom... NO LOVE AT ALL, considered evil and in league with satan.

All their beliefs are based on the Bible.(John 17:17; 2 Tim 3:16,17)

As interpreted by the boys in Brooklyn and using the New World Translation that was deliberately translated to change scriptures that conflicted with their doctrines. You are not allowed to study the bible without their publications that give you their interpretations. To do an "independent" bible study would be decremental to your standing in the congregation and you would be marked as spiritually weak.

The "faithful and discreet slave class" (the 144000) is really the governing body and the writting department in Brooklyn. They claim to be the ONLY means of "spiritual food" "approved" by "Jehovah" and the only means of proper interpretation of scriptures.


That is the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The Holy Spirit is our interpreter of scripture and the one that gives us understanding. We do not need the Watchtower or Awake magazines to understand the Bible. When you do a "bible study" with the Jws, It is really a JW doctrine study using their magazines. The bible is rarely used at all and when it is you are only allowed to read the one scripture they reference and it is ususlly taken out of context to support their false doctrines.

John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

They pray for God's name of Jehovah to be hallowed or sanctified. (Matt 6:9; Ps 83:18)

God's name is not "Jehovah"

IEHOVAH and JEHOVAH are both Masoretic corruptions of the YHWH which combined the consonants of God's name and JHVH with the vowels of the name "Adonai".

Tetragramaton ( the four Hebrew letters usually transliterated YHWH or JHVH that form a biblical proper name of God ) combined with the vowels of "Adonai" (lord) to create "Jehovah" is a bad translation practice. An error.

So what does Matthew 6:9 say?

Matthew 6:7 “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9 Pray then like this:“Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. 10 Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

hummm.. Jesus never used the name "Jehovah"..

The name above all names is Jesus.

Philippians 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


To be continued....
 
H-e-r-e-t-i-c-k

Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Seems pretty cut and dry, if you are interested in the obedience to Gods word
 
They proclaim God's kingdom in all the earth, not some political or social philosophy.(Matt 24:14; Acts 28:23)

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Acts 28:23 When they had appointed a day for him, they came to him at his lodging in greater numbers. From morning till evening he expounded to them, testifying to the kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus both from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets.


Yes, Indeed we are to...
"19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”(the words of Jesus from matthew 28).

What is this Jaareshiah (jws) added?
"not some political or social philosophy"...

Oh, that is a bit added to promote their doctrine of not serving in the military or voting. Sneaky huh?

They keep separate from the world's affairs, untainted by the world's politics or conflicts, remaining neutral in time of war.(James 1:27; John 17:14)

James 1:26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. 27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

And the passage where Jesus is praying for His disciples in Garden the night before He was crucified..

John 17:8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. 9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. 20 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one.

Amazing.. neither of these passages have anything to do with politics or remaining neutral in times of war

Taking scripture out of context in an attempt to justify the Jehovah's Witness doctrine of not voting or serving in the military and making it appear that Scripture validates their doctrines, shows they have ulterior motives. Which is to control the thoughts and actions of their followers. If they were serving in the military then they wouldn't be able to be out in "field service" pushing the publications of the publishing company.

They put God's kingdom and his righteousness first in their lives.(Matt 6:33)

Matthew 6:
25 “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? [7] 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

34 “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble."

Sooo.. the passage is about not worrying about stuff. That God knows our needs and we trust in Him. We seek Him and He will take care of the rest.



So what do the Jws use this verse for? They use it to enslave their followers. Putting Jehovah first means you forsake all to be at the meetings! You forsake all to go out in field service. You forsake all to be at the beck and call of the elders. It doesn't matter that your child has an exam the next day and needs to study. It doesn't matter that your boss needs you to stay late to finish your work. It doesn't matter that you are ill or tired and need rest. If you don't show up for the meetings and spend hours upon hours pushing magazines door to door then you are not putting Jehovah first!

"Loving God above all" has nothing to do with "Putting Jehovah first".

They cultivate the fruitage of God's spirit, not condoning war or personal violence.(Gal 5:22,23; Rom 12:17-21)



Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Romans 12:

14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. 17 Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. 18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. 19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.



I agree that on a personal level ("as far as it depends on you") it is perferred to live peaceably with all and when wronged, to allow God to deal with them.

As a country or nation that is at war against terrorist, or those that would take your land and your homes, and impose laws to worship only Allah or the ruler as god , to stand by and do nothing to help and defend freedom is cowardly. The cowardly will find that their place will be with the devil and the Antichrist in the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. 7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”



They obey all human laws not contrary to God's law.(Rom 13:1-7)

I had typed out a bit about "do not tresspass"and "no solicitation", and though I found it humorous, I chose not to post it.


To be continued....
 
As for number 9 and 10...

The true religion successfully unites people of every race, language, and tribe. It does not preach nationalism or hatred, but love worldwide.(Isaiah 2:2-4; Col 3:10,11)


The true religion teaches the truth regarding God's purpose for man and the earth.(Matt 5:5; Ps 115:16; Isaiah 45:18)

they love only those within their cult and their version of "truth" is a lie.

What is the mark of a "true" Christian? The Holy Spirit.


Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

I know this reply has been quite lengthy. I appreciate all who took time to read it. I was once ignorant to the depths of deception in the Jehovah's witness cult and have for many years now studied it and listened to the testimonies of hundreds of Ex Jehovah's witnesses. I spent last July 4th weekend (2010) with several including Barbara Anderson who was with the writing department. She is now an advocate for children that were sexually abused within the organization.

This post really only scratches the surface of this despicable cult.

In addition to denying Christ and the true Gospel, they enslave people with guilt and fear. They make people think that the only way to "please jehovah" is to slave for a publishing company by giving their time, talents and resources to the organization. Many never realize it and the thought of those they have trusted and loved lying to them is beyond their comprehension. They are taught that if they "Leave Jehovah" (the organization) they are doomed to die at armageddon and lose the "hope of Paradise earth". It is truly sad

The suicide rate for Jehovah's witnesses is far above the national average due to their practice of members only associating with other witnesses and breaking all ties to their former friends.Then when they fail to meet the expectations of the Publishing company they are shunned and lose all their witness "friends" and are left totally isolated. Many then take their own lives.


Many Christians haven't a clue as to what the Jehovah's witnesses believe or the tactics they use to lure people into their cult or the Fear they use to keep them in the cult.

Be on guard!

1 John 4

Test the Spirits
4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. 4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

God Is Love
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. 17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. 19 We love because he first loved us. 20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.
 
One final thought...

Jehovah's Witnesses say that Jesus (michael the arch angel) was impaled on a torture stake. (not a two part cross) because the cross was a "pagan symbol."

(Same "logic" they use to not celebrate Christmas or any other holiday...because it is "pagan" )


Tell me .. Why would a pagan culture (the romans) use a pagan means (the cross) to crucify Jesus (the real Jesus)?

Because they are Pagans!!
 
In Jaareshiah's post, I have highlighted a few things that I feel need further comment..


Jesus himself answered your question. Most want an opinion, especially the truth "watered down", rather than what qualifies a person as a Christian. This is like going in through the backdoor. Jesus did not "speak of his own originality "(John 7:17), giving his personal opinion. Rather, Jesus said: "He that speaks of his own originality is seeking his own glory."(John 7:18)

The ten different qualifying points seen in my previous post identify what a true Christian is, and each person can then decide whether or not to give thought to them and make application. Jesus realized that most would be unwilling to measure up to being a true Christian, making excuses or rationalizing. A man asked Jesus: "Lord, are those being saved few ?"(Luke 13:23) Did Jesus softsoap the question ? No. Jesus told the man: "Exert yourself vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able."(Luke 13:24)

Thus, Jesus clearly said that the road to life was hard and trialsome, with one having to ' exert themselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door.' He also said that, although, "many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able." Hence, though many would profess to be Christian, ' seeking to get in', these did not qualify as a true Christian, failing the "grade". So, how many practice genuine love ?(John 13:34,35) How many base all their beliefs or teachings on the Bible, without mixing in a little "darkness" ?(2 Cor 6:14) How many pray to Jehovah God, as Jesus did, worshipping only him ?(Matt 4:10; John 4:22,24)

How many proclaim God's kingdom to everyone they meet, in imitation of Jesus ?(Luke 8:1) How many keep separate from "the world", not mixing in the political arena, nor putting money first in their life ?(John 15:19; 1 Tim 6:9, 10) How many put "first God's kingdom", stripping off the "old personality" and putting on the "new personality" that honors God ?(Matt 6:33; Col 3:9,10) How many work hard to cultivate the "fruitage of the spirit...love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, (and ) self-control" ?(Gal 5:22, 23) How many obey all of "Caesar's laws", when there is no conflict with God's ?(Matt 22:21)

Which religion unites people of every nationality, tribe, or tongue around the world as "one" ? How many has beaten "their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears" whereby "they learn war no more" ?(Isa 2:2-4) How many teach that the earth will remain forever, with "meek" one living on it, just as God purposed in the beginning ?(Isa 45:18; Matt 5:5)

Jesus said that everyone will have to make a decision whether to follow closely in his "footsteps" (1 Pet 2:21) or suffer the consequences.(Luke 21:34-36) I am not the judge of people, but rather only an envoy, explaining to others what is required to gain life under God's kingdom. Jesus is the one appointed by Jehovah God as judge.(John 5:22) What you or anyone else does with their life is a personal decision. But it needs to be remembered, that any decision we make falls back upon us.(Ecc 11:9)

The Jehovah's witness doctrine is that you must "work vigorously" to obtain "Jehovah's favor" That the door/ gate is narrow and only those that "work vigorously" get in. Their 'gospel' is one of works. Their gospel is one of exclusion, ONLY they get in by pleasing Jehovah with their works.



But what did Jesus say about it? What is this "door' that he speaks of?

John 14 (ESV)

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


Luke 13: (ESV)

The Narrow Door
22 He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ 28 In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. 29 And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God. 30 And behold, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last.”

John 10 (ESV)

I Am the Good Shepherd
10:1 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them.

7 So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13 He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. 17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”

19 There was again a division among the Jews because of these words. 20 Many of them said, “He has a demon, and is insane; why listen to him?” 21 Others said, “These are not the words of one who is oppressed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?”

I and the Father Are One
22 At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. 24 So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not part of my flock. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”


Matthew 25 (ESV)

The Final Judgment
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, [6] you did it to me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Revelation 5 (ESV)

13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!” 14 And the four living creatures said, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.


That last passage in Revelation 5 clearly shows that the lamb (Jesus) is worshiped.


Ok back to who gets "in"

Jesus is the door. ONLY through Him do we find salvation. We can't earn it and that is why Jesus gave His life on the Cross. Salvation is offered to all. (john 3:16-17).It is a free gift and so simple that most refuse to accept it. Many people try to work their way to heaven. They try to reach God on their own merit. Trying to be good enough and being a "good person" to "make it" to heaven.

But in doing so they reject the very one that can save them.

Jesus ask of us to Love God above all and to love each other. We love each other when we help them especially those in need. Jesus says that when we help others we are helping Him. That is love in action.


now who gets told "depart from me you workers of iniquity"

The ones that treat people poorly, refusing to to help the "least of these"
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For those of you that are unaware of the doctrines and mandates of the Watchtower. They consider "feeding" the hungry is giving them the Watchtower and Awake magazines. Really. They do. Calling it "spiritual food"

They do not give to the poor, they do not support the local food bank or clothing banks. They only visit the sick to make sure they do not accept a blood transfusion.

They are instructed to NOT to give to ANY charity that helps others.

They do absolutely NOTHING to help the poor, naked, or sick of this world.

They are instructed specifically not to give to the salvation army or any charity of "christendom". They rarely give any help to those within their own congregations. Their "help" is for the elders to hound them to do more to please Jehovah. "More field service" and "more study of their publications" are their answers to all life's problems.

The only "charity" they are allowed to give to is "the world wide work" which is the "charity" of the Watchtower Organization. They do not help the poor or needy with that fund. It's sole use is to line the pockets of the governing body and to pay the legal fees of lawyers to defend pediphiles within the organization.

Actually they sign donation forms of a minimum 14 dollars a month for the "world wide work", for one million witness publishers in the usa that is 14 million dollars a month for the boys in brooklyn.

Kindness and mercy are alien concepts. When someone in the congregation has a problem, they are more likely to get disfellowshiped than to get any real help.

Most can not even define "grace" because in their bible "grace" is omitted.


"Depart from me for I never knew you." That is what the heartless will hear. You can claim to be a "true christian" all day long but Knowing Jesus is the only way through the 'door"
 
The money needed to run the Kindom Hall is a different donation. They may not "pass the plate" but they do manage to "guilt" the congregation into empting their pockets.
 
How many proclaim God's kingdom to everyone they meet?


Do Jehovah's witnesses really believe they are the only ones?

They are not even the only ones preaching a false gospel... There are many false prophets.


They do not acknowledge all the followers of Jesus that live and breathe the love of God, making the most of every oppurtunity to share with others God's love.

In addition to being arrogant, it is not true.

The Gospel is being preached and Christians around the world are sharing the love of God with mankind. From bible lessons being taught in the local church to drilling wells for clean water and providing food to hungry people, to cloting drives and coat drives at the local YMCA, to bibles being sent to all who ask, to web sites like this one that strives to bring Glory to God and Christian broadcast around the world, We are proclaiming the Gospel to all the world.
 
One final thought...

Jehovah's Witnesses say that Jesus (michael the arch angel) was impaled on a torture stake. (not a two part cross) because the cross was a "pagan symbol."

(Same "logic" they use to not celebrate Christmas or any other holiday...because it is "pagan" )


Tell me .. Why would a pagan culture (the romans) use a pagan means (the cross) to crucify Jesus (the real Jesus)?

Because they are Pagans!!


I never knew this. No offence to the guy you are replying to but it seems Jehovah Witnesses are the pagans. The scripture never mentions impaling on a stake. It mentions the piercing of the hands and side and the resurrection three days later - just like Jonah had spent 3 days inside a whale.
 
You understand the definition of "impaled". The writers of the New World translation obiviously did not.

They replaced the word "crucify" with "impaled" and "cross" with "torture stake". They teach that Jesus was "impaled" through his hands (with one nail over his head) and through his feet.

There are several problems with that. For one the definition of impale means to "run through." usually the mid section of a body to a tree with a spear.



The bible says that Jesus' hands were pierced with nails (plural)

The bible says that the "king of the jews" sign was placed above his "head" not above his "hands"

Most everything about the true gospel has been counterfeited by the Jehovah's witnesses. They belittle Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the cross, the blood, even the resurection in an attempt to make them less imporant.

They teach

Jesus is not God but the arch angel michael.

The Holy Spirit is not someone you have a personal relationship with because "it" is a "thing" (God's active force)

The cross is not a cross but a single "torture stake"

Jesus was not raised physically from the dead, only spiritually and his body just ceased to exisit (because He became Michael the arch angel again).

And the blood.. They are more into avoiding blood than being washed in the blood!


With mighty hands and out stretched arm, His love endures forever! (psalm 136:12)
 
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Avoiding a direct question because the answer is already known?

Are you ashamed to tell all the folks here at Talk Jesus that your religion considers them worthless and bad associations because they do not follow every whim of the Watchtower?

The question was...


Lets look at Jaareshiah's response and see if we can pick out the loaded language that the Jws use to promote their false doctrines.

Twisting, misquoting, and changing the meaning of scripture along with circular reasoning, are hallmarks of the cult. Using scripture to lure the unsuspecting by giving them "familiar" passages whilst adding a bit of their loaded language.




So what does Matthew 7:13-14 say?

Passage: Matthew 7 (ESV Bible Online)





Hummm....The mark of a "true Christian" is the narrow gate? Really?



This passage will be taken out of context to promote the doctrine that ONLY 144000 make it to heaven and all the other Jws will "inherit the earth". "And those that find it are few" The unsuspecting wont even realize they have deceived when they introduce the "little flock" theology and limit salvation to ONLY those "few" with the "heavenly hope" (the 144000) and ONLY the Jehovah's witnesses will inherit the earth whilst ALL of Christendom (all the Catholics, Methodist, Baptist, Pentecostals, etc) are destroyed at Armageddon.



the fruit illustration was regarding false prophets



Again.. the fruit illustration was regarding false prophets




Used to promote their doctrine that ALL of Christendom (all the Catholics, Methodist, Baptist, Pentecostals, etc) will be destroyed at Armageddon and ONLY the Jehovah's Witnesses will survive.


To be continued...

Your words of this topic "Jaareshiah, let us reason together and seek truth" is a just a ploy, for you had no intent on ' reasoning' but on attacking, trying to draw me into a debate, which the apostle Paul gave counsel against.(1 Tim 2:8) Jesus words at Matthew 7:13, 14 clearly identify the two "roads" that everyone is on. However, the ' road to life ' has only a "few" on it, which you obviously do not agree with Jesus words.

You wantonly fail to understand that Jesus spoke in illustrations, and that "without an illustration he would not speak to them."(Matt 13:34) Why ? Jesus said: "This is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations, because, looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, neither do they get the sense of it; and toward them the prophecy of Isaiah is having fulfillment (at Isaiah 6:9), which says, ‘By hearing, you will hear but by no means get the sense of it; and, looking, you will look but by no means see."(Matt 13:13, 14)

To separate those who are not really sincere and those who are, Jesus used numerous illustrations throughout his ministry. Even among his own people, the Jews, the vast majority were not sincere and never listened.(John 19:7) So, "few" would really gain an understanding of the Bible, putting into action what the Bible really teaches. Most will never "get the sense of " the kingdom and thus barred from "life", whether it be as "kings and priests" in God's kingdom, or as "meek" subjects of this heavenly government on the earth.

Jesus brought to focus both hopes, for on the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."(Matt 5:5, King James Bible) He was quoting from Psalms 37:11, 29, which says: "But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."(Verse 11, King James Bible) Psalms 37:29 says: "The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever."(King James Bible) However, only a minority rules over the earth as "kings and priests" for Jesus said on another occasion: "Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom."(Luke 12:32)

In narrowing the ' road to life ', Jesus sternly said: "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"(Luke 6:46, King James Bible) Jesus then likens those on the ' narrow road ', that "comes to me and hears my words and does them"(Luke 6:47), as "a man building a house, who dug and went down deep and laid a foundation upon the rock-mass. Consequently, when a flood arose, the river dashed against that house, but was not strong enough to shake it, because of its being well built."(Luke 6:48)

How many, including yourself, are willing to follow Jesus words to "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you" ?(Matt 28:19, 20)

That those who call themselves Christian are to go from "house to house", teaching people, Jesus said: "Into whatever city or village you enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until you leave. When you are entering into the house, greet the household; and if the house is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you. Wherever anyone does not take you in or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off your feet."(Matt 10:11-14) Thus, Jesus gave a command to teach people, wherever they may be, going "into the house", "all the things I have commanded you."

Concerning Jesus command at John 13:34, 35, to have "love among yourselves", these are Jesus words, a command and not a suggestion. That we as Jehovah's Witnesses do this, can be seen in the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses do not participate in war, nor have they been guilty of killing another person or one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Yet, among the religious factions of Christendom, untold hundreds of millions of individuals have died as a result of war being started and continued at the behest of the churches.

The Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades and in our modern day era, almost every war has been fought within the boundaries of those who call themselves "Christian", as both World Wars were. In fact, whether you know it or not, World War II began as a result of the Catholic Church backing Adolf Hitler.

On July 20, 1933, the Vatican’s interest in the rising power of Nazism was displayed when Cardinal Pacelli (who later became Pope Pius XII) signed a concordat in Rome between the Vatican and Nazi Germany. Franz von Papen signed the document as Hitler’s representative, and Pacelli there conferred on von Papen the high papal decoration of the Grand Cross of the Order of Pius. In his book Satan in Top Hat, Tibor Koeves writes of this, stating: “The Concordat was a great victory for Hitler. It gave him the first moral support he had received from the outer world, and this from the most exalted source.” The concordat required the Vatican to withdraw its support from Germany’s Catholic Center Party, thus sanctioning Hitler’s one-party “total state.”

Further, its article 14 stated: “The appointments for archbishops, bishops, and the like will be issued only after the governor, installed by the Reich, has duly ascertained that no doubts exist with respect to general political considerations.” By the end of 1933 (proclaimed a “Holy Year” by Pope Pius XI), Vatican support had become a major factor in Hitler’s push for world domination. Hence, the Catholic Church gave the needed push to ensure Hitler's rise to power. Had the Catholic Church not supported Hitler, his ascendancy to power would never have arrived and the odds of World War II would have never got underway. Talk about blood guilty.

Yet, of Jehovah's Witnesses, none supported Hilter in his bid for world domination. Instead, throughout Germany and areas controlled by the German Reich, thousands were arrested, with some 13,400 Witnesses-in Germany and in countries occupied by the Nazis-suffered reprisals because of their faith. They followed the direction of the Bible, remaining politically neutral and refusing to take up arms. (Matthew 26:52; John 18:36)

Some 4,200 Witnesses were interned in concentration camps, and 1,490 lost their lives. Dr. Hanns Lilje, former bishop of the Protestant Church in Hannover, Germany, wrote about the Witnesses: “They can rightfully claim to be the only major conscientious objectors in the Third Reich.”

Of the name "Jehovah", it is indeed closely accurate. If the name "Jehovah" should be shunned, so likewise should the name Jesus, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and a whole slew of other names, for these are all Latin. The name "Jehovah", in the form of the Tetragrammaton (Hebrew, יהוה, YHWH ), is found in the original Hebrew Scriptures (commonly called the Old Testament), at least 6,828 times.

Robert Estiennne, or Stephanus, whose third edition of his Greek text (issued in 1550), becoming known as the "received text" (called textus receptus in Latin), which was used as a basis for the King James Bible of 1611, made a two-version Latin Bible of 1557 which is noteworthy for his use of God’s personal name, Jehova, throughout the Hebrew Scriptures. if you condemn the name "Jehovah", then you also condemn the King James Bible, which uses it 4 times within it's pages.(Ex 6:3; Ps 83:18; Isa 12:2; 26:4) The name Jehovah is also incorporated into names of places, such as Jehovah-jireh at Genesis 22:14, or of an altar built by Moses called Jehovah-nissi at Exodus 17:15.

I need not continue this "discussion" with you, for it is fruitless.
 
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Your words of this topic "Jaareshiah, let us reason together and seek truth" is a just a ploy, for you had no intent on ' reasoning' but on attacking, trying to draw me into a debate, which the apostle Paul gave counsel against.(1 Tim 2:8) Jesus words at Matthew 7:13, 14 clearly identify the two "roads" that everyone is on. However, the ' road to life ' has only a "few" on it, which you obviously do not agree with Jesus words.

You wantonly fail to understand that Jesus spoke in illustrations, and that "without an illustration he would not speak to them."(Matt 13:34) Why ? Jesus said: "This is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations, because, looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, neither do they get the sense of it; and toward them the prophecy of Isaiah is having fulfillment (at Isaiah 6:9), which says, ‘By hearing, you will hear but by no means get the sense of it; and, looking, you will look but by no means see."(Matt 13:13, 14)

To separate those who are not really sincere and those who are, Jesus used numerous illustrations throughout his ministry. Even among his own people, the Jews, the vast majority were not sincere and never listened.(John 19:7) So, "few" would really gain an understanding of the Bible, putting into action what the Bible really teaches. Most will never "get the sense of " the kingdom and thus barred from "life", whether it be as "kings and priests" in God's kingdom, or as "meek" subjects of this heavenly government on the earth.

Jesus brought to focus both hopes, for on the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."(Matt 5:5, King James Bible) He was quoting from Psalms 37:11, 29, which says: "But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."(Verse 11, King James Bible) Psalms 37:29 says: "The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever."(King James Bible) However, only a minority rules over the earth as "kings and priests" for Jesus said on another occasion: "Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom."(Luke 12:32)

In narrowing the ' road to life ', Jesus sternly said: "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"(Luke 6:46, King James Bible) Jesus then likens those on the ' narrow road ', that "comes to me and hears my words and does them"(Luke 6:47), as "a man building a house, who dug and went down deep and laid a foundation upon the rock-mass. Consequently, when a flood arose, the river dashed against that house, but was not strong enough to shake it, because of its being well built."(Luke 6:48)

How many, including yourself, are willing to follow Jesus words to "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you" ?(Matt 28:19, 20)

That those who call themselves Christian are to go from "house to house", teaching people, Jesus said: "Into whatever city or village you enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until you leave. When you are entering into the house, greet the household; and if the house is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you. Wherever anyone does not take you in or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off your feet."(Matt 10:11-14) Thus, Jesus gave a command to teach people, wherever they may be, going "into the house", "all the things I have commanded you."

Concerning Jesus command at John 13:34, 35, to have "love among yourselves", these are Jesus words, a command and not a suggestion. That we as Jehovah's Witnesses do this, can be seen in the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses do not participate in war, nor have they been guilty of killing another person or one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Yet, among the religious factions of Christendom, untold hundreds of millions of individuals have died as a result of war being started and continued at the behest of the churches.

The Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades and in our modern day era, almost every war has been fought within the boundaries of those who call themselves "Christian", as both World Wars were. In fact, whether you know it or not, World War II began as a result of the Catholic Church backing Adolf Hitler.

On July 20, 1933, the Vatican’s interest in the rising power of Nazism was displayed when Cardinal Pacelli (who later became Pope Pius XII) signed a concordat in Rome between the Vatican and Nazi Germany. Franz von Papen signed the document as Hitler’s representative, and Pacelli there conferred on von Papen the high papal decoration of the Grand Cross of the Order of Pius. In his book Satan in Top Hat, Tibor Koeves writes of this, stating: “The Concordat was a great victory for Hitler. It gave him the first moral support he had received from the outer world, and this from the most exalted source.” The concordat required the Vatican to withdraw its support from Germany’s Catholic Center Party, thus sanctioning Hitler’s one-party “total state.”

Further, its article 14 stated: “The appointments for archbishops, bishops, and the like will be issued only after the governor, installed by the Reich, has duly ascertained that no doubts exist with respect to general political considerations.” By the end of 1933 (proclaimed a “Holy Year” by Pope Pius XI), Vatican support had become a major factor in Hitler’s push for world domination. Hence, the Catholic Church gave the needed push to ensure Hitler's rise to power. Had the Catholic Church not supported Hitler, his ascendancy to power would never have arrived and the odds of World War II would have never got underway. Talk about blood guilty.

Yet, of Jehovah's Witnesses, none supported Hilter in his bid for world domination. Instead, throughout Germany and areas controlled by the German Reich, thousands were arrested, with some 13,400 Witnesses-in Germany and in countries occupied by the Nazis-suffered reprisals because of their faith. They followed the direction of the Bible, remaining politically neutral and refusing to take up arms. (Matthew 26:52; John 18:36)

Some 4,200 Witnesses were interned in concentration camps, and 1,490 lost their lives. Dr. Hanns Lilje, former bishop of the Protestant Church in Hannover, Germany, wrote about the Witnesses: “They can rightfully claim to be the only major conscientious objectors in the Third Reich.”

Of the name "Jehovah", it is indeed closely accurate. If the name "Jehovah" should be shunned, so likewise should the name Jesus, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and a whole slew of other names, for these are all Latin. The name "Jehovah", in the form of the Tetragrammaton (Hebrew, יהוה, YHWH ), is found in the original Hebrew Scriptures (commonly called the Old Testament), at least 6,828 times.

Robert Estiennne, or Stephanus, whose third edition of his Greek text (issued in 1550), becoming known as the "received text" (called textus receptus in Latin), which was used as a basis for the King James Bible of 1611, made a two-version Latin Bible of 1557 which is noteworthy for his use of God’s personal name, Jehova, throughout the Hebrew Scriptures. if you condemn the name "Jehovah", then you also condemn the King James Bible, which uses it 4 times within it's pages.(Ex 6:3; Ps 83:18; Isa 12:2; 26:4) The name Jehovah is also incorporated into names of places, such as Jehovah-jireh at Genesis 22:14, or of an altar built by Moses called Jehovah-nissi at Exodus 17:15.

I need not continue this "discussion" with you, for it is fruitless.

You have not denied the points I have made in my previous post regarding key componants of your cult.

Instead you reject Jesus' direct explaination that HE is the door and continue to bow down to the false doctrine of the watchtower that ONLY they are the "little flock". on the narrow road.

The mingleing of truth with deception allows falsehood to become more palitable.
That is what your cult does. They take a scripture out of context and through deception they add a twist to it to create a mandate that you must follow or die at Armegeddon. Wouldn't you rather have truth? And Live? Seeking truth is not a ploy. And reasoning together could unlock your mind to understand that you are in a mind control cult that claims to love but in reality their love is conditional upon your total surrender to THEM. They come between you and God and give you a false god to worship.

In your post you make comments such as "I wontonly fail to understand". and imply that I am not "really sincere". Is that not another ploy of your cult?

That "they" know more than you do and "they" are right because "They" (the FDS) say so, and that "they" have "the truth" and everybody else are misinformed because ONLY "They" can interpret scripture properly, are cult mind control tactics to not only limit information but to demand you submit wholey to them believing every word "they" say or be excluded from the group. If you even question them, you are marked as "spiritually weak". They use guilt and fear to minipulate and control you so you comply with their every whim. You are not allowed to even read anything that "they" say may possibly be disparaging to them.


People that use their God given brains and question the motives and doctrines are "not really sincere". Those "they" deem as "Not really sincere" are marked as "waste of time" and not worthy because we are not intelligent enough to submit to "their" interpretation.

I have the Holy Spirit and He is my interpreter of scripture and Jesus said that He is the door and only through Him can come to The Father. Jesus is the narrow gate. The "few" are those that accept His free gift of Salvation. The many are those that refuse it.


You mentioned that "they" say Jesus said to preach "house to house".

Is that what Jesus said? Lets look at the passages where Jesus sent the deciples out....

Matthew 10 (ESV)
5 These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, [2] cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay. 9 Acquire no gold nor silver nor copper for your belts, 10 no bag for your journey, nor two tunics [3] nor sandals nor a staff, for the laborer deserves his food. 11 And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it and stay there until you depart. 12 As you enter the house, greet it. 13 And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.

Mark 3 (ESV)
7 And he called the twelve and began to send them out two by two, and gave them authority over the unclean spirits. 8 He charged them to take nothing for their journey except a staff—no bread, no bag, no money in their belts— 9 but to wear sandals and not put on two tunics. [1] 10 And he said to them, “Whenever you enter a house, stay there until you depart from there. 11 And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to you, when you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them.” 12 So they went out and proclaimed that people should repent. 13 And they cast out many demons and anointed with oil many who were sick and healed them.

Luke 9 (ESV)
9:1 And he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases, 2 and he sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to heal. 3 And he said to them, “Take nothing for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not have two tunics. 4 And whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And wherever they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them.” 6 And they departed and went through the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere.

Nowhere in these passages does Jesus say to go "house to house"

Now what did Jesus say when he sent out the 72?

Luke 10 (ESV)
Jesus Sends Out the Seventy-Two
10:1 After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them on ahead of him, two by two, into every town and place where he himself was about to go. 2 And he said to them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few. Therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest. 3 Go your way; behold, I am sending you out as lambs in the midst of wolves. 4 Carry no moneybag, no knapsack, no sandals, and greet no one on the road. 5 Whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace be to this house!’ 6 And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest upon him. But if not, it will return to you. 7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages. Do not go from house to house. 8 Whenever you enter a town and they receive you, eat what is set before you. 9 Heal the sick in it and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ 10 But whenever you enter a town and they do not receive you, go into its streets and say, 11 ‘Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near.’ 12 I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.


What?

Jesus said "do not go house to house"...


It seems you have been obeying the mandates of your cult to not read anything that disparages them, because I have already in previous post addressed ...

~ "how many"

Do Jehovah's witnesses really believe they are the only ones?

They are not even the only ones preaching a false gospel... There are many false prophets.


They do not acknowledge all the followers of Jesus that live and breathe the love of God, making the most of every oppurtunity to share with others God's love.

In addition to being arrogant, it is not true.

The Gospel is being preached and Christians around the world are sharing the love of God with mankind. From bible lessons being taught in the local church to drilling wells for clean water and providing food to hungry people, to cloting drives and coat drives at the local YMCA, to bibles being sent to all who ask, to web sites like this one that strives to bring Glory to God and Christian broadcast around the world, We are proclaiming the Gospel to all the world.



~ The narrow way
The Jehovah's witness doctrine is that you must "work vigorously" to obtain "Jehovah's favor" That the door/ gate is narrow and only those that "work vigorously" get in. Their 'gospel' is one of works. Their gospel is one of exclusion, ONLY they get in by pleasing Jehovah with their works.

But what did Jesus say about it? What is this "door' that he speaks of?


John 14 (ESV)

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Luke 13: (ESV)

The Narrow Door
22 He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ 28 In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. 29 And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God. 30 And behold, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last.”

John 10 (ESV)

I Am the Good Shepherd
10:1 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them.

7 So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13 He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. 17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”

19 There was again a division among the Jews because of these words. 20 Many of them said, “He has a demon, and is insane; why listen to him?” 21 Others said, “These are not the words of one who is oppressed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?”

I and the Father Are One
22 At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. 24 So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not part of my flock. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

Matthew 25 (ESV)

The Final Judgment
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Revelation 5 (ESV)

13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!” 14 And the four living creatures said, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

That last passage in Revelation 5 clearly shows that the lamb (Jesus) is worshiped.


Ok back to who gets "in"

Jesus is the door. ONLY through Him do we find salvation. We can't earn it and that is why Jesus gave His life on the Cross. Salvation is offered to all. (john 3:16-17).It is a free gift and so simple that most refuse to accept it. Many people try to work their way to heaven. They try to reach God on their own merit. Trying to be good enough and being a "good person" to "make it" to heaven.

But in doing so they reject the very one that can save them.

Jesus ask of us to Love God above all and to love each other. We love each other when we help them especially those in need. Jesus says that when we help others we are helping Him. That is love in action.


now who gets told "depart from me you workers of iniquity"

The ones that treat people poorly, refusing to to help the "least of these"
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For those of you that are unaware of the doctrines and mandates of the Watchtower. They consider "feeding" the hungry is giving them the Watchtower and Awake magazines. Really. They do. Calling it "spiritual food"

They do not give to the poor, they do not support the local food bank or clothing banks. They only visit the sick to make sure they do not accept a blood transfusion.

They are instructed to NOT to give to ANY charity that helps others.

They do absolutely NOTHING to help the poor, naked, or sick of this world.

They are instructed specifically not to give to the salvation army or any charity of "christendom". They rarely give any help to those within their own congregations. Their "help" is for the elders to hound them to do more to please Jehovah. "More field service" and "more study of their publications" are their answers to all life's problems.

The only "charity" they are allowed to give to is "the world wide work" which is the "charity" of the Watchtower Organization. They do not help the poor or needy with that fund. It's sole use is to line the pockets of the governing body and to pay the legal fees of lawyers to defend pediphiles within the organization.

Actually they sign donation forms of a minimum 14 dollars a month for the "world wide work", for one million witness publishers in the usa that is 14 million dollars a month for the boys in brooklyn.

Kindness and mercy are alien concepts. When someone in the congregation has a problem, they are more likely to get disfellowshiped than to get any real help.

Most can not even define "grace" because in their bible "grace" is omitted.


"Depart from me for I never knew you." That is what the heartless will hear. You can claim to be a "true christian" all day long but Knowing Jesus is the only way through the 'door"

~"Jehovah" is not God's name.

God's name is not "Jehovah"

IEHOVAH and JEHOVAH are both Masoretic corruptions of the YHWH which combined the consonants of God's name and JHVH with the vowels of the name "Adonai".

Tetragramaton ( the four Hebrew letters usually transliterated YHWH or JHVH that form a biblical proper name of God ) combined with the vowels of "Adonai" (lord) to create "Jehovah" is a bad translation practice. An error.

So what does Matthew 6:9 say?


Matthew 6:7 “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9 Pray then like this:“Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. 10 Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

hummm.. Jesus never used the name "Jehovah"..

Adolf Hitler? you really went there?.. (LOL)

I am well aware of the purple triangle, and I have already posted previously about cowards and their destination.


False "Christians", like those of the inquisition, persecute. True Christians are indeed persecuted.

The deceived believe they are being persecuted for righteousness when in reality the persecution they claim "proves" they are the ONLY true Christians has nothing to do with righteousness at all. They are considered fanatics and delusional for their annoying door knocking during dinner and on Christmas morning and when you are trying to sleep in on Saturday morning. They insist you listen to their practiced speeches when you are in your bath robe and claim they are persecuted when you ask them to leave and when they don't comply, you shut the door on them.

So...

Do you care to point out any error in any of my post?

Have you read any of my post?

Do you believe thinking for yourself (independant thought) is prideful?

I asked that we come together and seek truth because truth will set us free. Is there anything in any of my post that is not truthful?






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