Is Jesus "God"?

[imajw4life]

Jesus himself referred to his Father as "the only true God." (John 17:3) Jehovah himself said "Besides me there is no God" (Isa 44:6) The apostle Paul wrote that, to true Christians, "there is.....one God the Father. (1Cor 8:5,6). So Jehovah is unique; no one else shares his position. Jehovah stands in utter contrast to all such objects of worship as idols, defied humans, and Satan. All these are false gods.

Jesus is spoken of in the Scriptures as "a god," even as "Mighty God." (John 1:1, Isa. 9:6) But nowhere is he spoken of as being Almighty, as Jehovah is. (Gen 17:1) Jesus is said to be "the reflection of [God's] glory," but the Father is the Source of that glory. (Hebrew 1:3) Jesus in no way seeks the position of his Father. He said: "It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service." (Luke 4:8) He exist "in God's form," and the Father has commanded that "in the name of Jesus every knee should bend," but this is all done "to the glory of God the Father." Phil 2:5-11

 

[B-A-C]

Jesus is NOT a "a" god (lower case g) he is God (upper case G) He is NOT simply God-like. He is God.
As you mentioned in John 1; Jesus created the Heavens, Earth, Universe and everything that was ever created. In Gen 1 it says God created the heavens and earth.
Jesus is not the Father, he isn't trying to replace or compete with the Father. In Luke 4:8; Jesus was referring to himself as much as the Father.
Jesus is the Word, and the Word is God, Jesus became flesh and dwelt among us. ( John 1:1-14

Isa 9:6; For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 7:14; Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
Matt 1:23; Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which translated means, “God with us.”

God with us... not almost god, not god-like, not "a" god. But God with us.
There are no other Gods. Only one. He is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Exod 20:3; “You shall have no other gods besides Me.
Exod 20:4; “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
Exod 20:5; You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,

The sign of a cult is the denial of the deity of Jesus.
Also the Spirit of the anti-Christ is shown but those who don't believe that Jesus was resurrected in the flesh.
1 Jn 4:1; Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 Jn 4:2; By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has risen in the flesh is from God;
1 Jn 4:3; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus in the flesh is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

God says He is I AM. Jesus said He is I AM. God said He is the Alpha and Omega, Jesus says He is the Alpha and Omega.
Jesus created everything that exists. Col 1:16; John 1:3;

 

[DHC]

Jesus himself referred to his Father as "the only true God." (John 17:3) Jehovah himself said "Besides me there is no God" (Isa 44:6) The apostle Paul wrote that, to true Christians, "there is.....one God the Father. (1Cor 8:5,6). So Jehovah is unique; no one else shares his position. Jehovah stands in utter contrast to all such objects of worship as idols, defied humans, and Satan. All these are false gods.

Jesus is spoken of in the Scriptures as "a god," even as "Mighty God." (John 1:1, Isa. 9:6) But nowhere is he spoken of as being Almighty, as Jehovah is. (Gen 17:1) Jesus is said to be "the reflection of [God's] glory," but the Father is the Source of that glory. (Hebrew 1:3) Jesus in no way seeks the position of his Father. He said: "It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service." (Luke 4:8) He exist "in God's form," and the Father has commanded that "in the name of Jesus every knee should bend," but this is all done "to the glory of God the Father." Phil 2:5-11

Hello ImaJW4life.

The true identity of the Christ has been the subject of much debate for two thousand years.
When one reads the scripture, it is not hard to see why this debate will never cease.

The Old and New Testament refers to the Christ as 'Lord', and we are very well aware
that 'Lord' can mean men, angels, and even the God of Israel.

The Bible translators have not helped in the identification of the messiah's true title.
Because the Bible translators are very conservative and traditional folk, they follow
tradition absolutely.

Unfortunately for us, the Bible translators followed an ancient Jewish practice of not
pronouncing or writing the ancient name of God, as it was far to sacred. Instead of uttering
the sacred name 'YHWH' (the almighty God of Israel), the Jews would use the substitute
name of 'Lord'. No one in Israel from the second century before the time of the Christ,
were permitted to use the name 'YHWH'. Except once a year when the high priest was
allowed to say the name 'YHWH'.

Now ImaJW4life, I will demonstrate from the scripture this practice of the substitution
of 'Lord' for 'YHWH' by the translators of nearly every Bible translation that exists.

Ezekiel 1 (New World Translation)
28 like that of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day. That was how the surrounding brilliant light
appeared. It was like the appearance of the glory of Jehovah. When I saw it, I fell face down and
began to hear the voice of someone speaking.

The New World Translation is absolutely correct in using the name 'Jehovah'. For in the Hebrew
text the name is actually 'YHWH'.

Compare the New World Translation to the New American Standard Bible.

Ezekiel 1(NASB)
28 As the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the
surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.

See how this weighty translation uses the word 'Lord' instead of 'Jehovah', following the
ridiculous Jewish tradition.

Now compare the New World Translation to the King James Version.

Ezekiel 1 (KJV)
28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of
the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.

Again in place of the Hebrew name 'YHWH', the KJV uses the name of 'Lord' just like the NASB.
The translators are so traditional they stumble into the same error that the Jews committed.

There is no argument that the Hebrew text uses 'YHWH' and the translators should translate
this word correctly and not alter the text. For 'YHWH' is the sacred name of God Almighty
and is used thousands of times in the original Hebrew manuscripts.

Up to this point, I am in total agreement with your original post ImaJW4life.

But there exists a very serious problem in your translation and the understanding of the messiah's
true name.

Back we go to this text from Ezekiel and will add some extra lines, the lines are from your
preferred text ImaJW4life.

Ezekiel 1(NWT)
26 Above the expanse that was over their heads was what looked like a sapphire stone,and it resembled
a throne. Sitting on the throne up above was someone whose appearance resembled that of a human.
27 I saw something glowing like electrum that was like a fire radiating from what appeared to be his waist
and upward; and from his waist down, I saw something that resembled fire. There was a brilliance all
around him...

Did you spot the problem ImaJW4life, the one sitting on this glorious throne, had the appearance
of a man! This man or 'human' is 'YHWH' and He sits on the throne. This human on the throne is
the one and only 'YHWH' or 'Jehovah', the Almighty God of Israel. Yes ImaJW4life, this human is
Jesus the Christ, the Creator, the 'I am', e.t.c.

You have no option but to accept that the true identity of Jesus as the Almighty God. We need to
forgive the translators of the Bible for their errors and realize that the name 'Lord', in nearly all
occurrences should be 'YHWH'.

Just another small point, 'YHWH' cannot be translated into the name 'Jehovah'. The Hebrew name
of God should be left in the original form. The original Hebrew word has no vowels and no direct
English equivalent.

 

[Chad]

Hi @imajw4life

Please read this http://www.talkjesus.com/seeking-jesus-/7749-meet-jesus.html

Also this: Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?

 

[james1523]

Jesus himself referred to his Father as "the only true God." (John 17:3) Jehovah himself said "Besides me there is no God" (Isa 44:6) The apostle Paul wrote that, to true Christians, "there is.....one God the Father. (1Cor 8:5,6). So Jehovah is unique; no one else shares his position. Jehovah stands in utter contrast to all such objects of worship as idols, defied humans, and Satan. All these are false gods.

Jesus is spoken of in the Scriptures as "a god," even as "Mighty God." (John 1:1, Isa. 9:6) But nowhere is he spoken of as being Almighty, as Jehovah is. (Gen 17:1) Jesus is said to be "the reflection of [God's] glory," but the Father is the Source of that glory. (Hebrew 1:3) Jesus in no way seeks the position of his Father. He said: "It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service." (Luke 4:8) He exist "in God's form," and the Father has commanded that "in the name of Jesus every knee should bend," but this is all done "to the glory of God the Father." Phil 2:5-11

Jesus also said that He is the Father (John 10:30, John 14:8-10), therefore Jesus is the only true God.

 

[imajw4life]

We are entitled to own thoughts (the cult reference), however the Bible does mention Satan as the god of this system of things 2Cor 4:4 along the many other gods that were included in false worship. Jesus himself always pointed to someone more superior to that of himself to worship . As a matter of fact, when he was baptized, it was his Father (Jehovah)in the heavens who was approved of it. Are you saying that the voice from heaven was still Jesus? That would make him a ventriloquist.......now that's insane.

Jesus is NOT a "a" god (lower case g) he is God (upper case G) He is NOT simply God-like. He is God.
As you mentioned in John 1; Jesus created the Heavens, Earth, Universe and everything that was ever created. In Gen 1 it says God created the heavens and earth.
Jesus is not the Father, he isn't trying to replace or compete with the Father. In Luke 4:8; Jesus was referring to himself as much as the Father.
Jesus is the Word, and the Word is God, Jesus became flesh and dwelt among us. ( John 1:1-14

Isa 9:6; For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 7:14; Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
Matt 1:23; Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which translated means, “God with us.”

God with us... not almost god, not god-like, not "a" god. But God with us.
There are no other Gods. Only one. He is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Exod 20:3; “You shall have no other gods besides Me.
Exod 20:4; “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
Exod 20:5; You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,

The sign of a cult is the denial of the deity of Jesus.
Also the Spirit of the anti-Christ is shown but those who don't believe that Jesus was resurrected in the flesh.
1 Jn 4:1; Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 Jn 4:2; By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has risen in the flesh is from God;
1 Jn 4:3; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus in the flesh is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

God says He is I AM. Jesus said He is I AM. God said He is the Alpha and Omega, Jesus says He is the Alpha and Omega.
Jesus created everything that exists. Col 1:16; John 1:3;

 

[imajw4life]

I do love those scriptures as well. It helps us to see the invisible God Jehovah thru Jesus' action. He was a direct reflection of his God and Father Jehovah. Further John 17:3 "(Jesus prayed to his Father] This is eternal live, that they know thee the only true God ["who alone art truly God,"], and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." (Notice that Jesus referred not to himself but to his Father in heaven as "the only true God.")
John 20:17 "Jesus said to her [Mary Magdalene], 'Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" So to the resurrected Jesus, the Father was God, just as the Father was God to Mary Magdalene. Interestingly, not once in Scripture do we find the Father addressing the Son as "my God."

Jesus also said that He is the Father (John 10:30, John 14:8-10), therefore Jesus is the only true God.

 

[imajw4life]

We can agree to disagree on any point. I am not here to argue. To say that all scriptures point to Jesus being the Father and the Son makes Jesus look foolish. And we know that is not the case. Jesus was certainly not on earth, doing the will of himself, and waiting for himself to resurrect himself. He always gave honor and praises to his Father in the heavens i.e. the Lords prayer. What ever your theory is, you cant discount those facts.

 

[Brighthouse]

Once in a great while a J.W.stops by or a Mormon,if I am busy and wish to make short work of them all i show them is the same question Philip asked Jesus himself!! John 14:6-14 please note verse 9, there is no way around who Jesus said he is,as well as in John 8:58, The only I am which really is Jesus last name, for the word Christ is not his last name,it means anointed one. And we know what I am means. Funny they never stay after that?? LOL No Theory just fact. hehe

 

[DHC]

We can agree to disagree on any point. I am not here to argue. To say that all scriptures point to Jesus being the Father and the Son makes Jesus look foolish. And we know that is not the case. Jesus was certainly not on earth, doing the will of himself, and waiting for himself to resurrect himself. He always gave honor and praises to his Father in the heavens i.e. the Lords prayer. What ever your theory is, you cant discount those facts.

Hello all Jehovah's Witnesses.

Proof that the 'son of man' is Jehovah!

Isaiah 44:6 (New World Translation)
6 This is what Jehovah says, The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies:
‘I am the first and I am the last'. There is no God but me.

Jehovah has announced to Israel, 'I am the first and the last'.

Jehovah also declared, 'There is no God but me'.

Two clear declarations by Jehovah, He is the only God, and He is the First and Last.

We will lock these two declarations made by Jehovah into our memories and read on.

Revelations 1 (New World Translation)
12 I turned to see who was speaking with me, and when I turned, I saw seven golden lamp stands, 13 and in
the midst of the lamp stands someone like a son of man, clothed in a garment that reached down to the feet
and wearing a golden sash around his chest. 14 Moreover, his head and his hair were white as white wool,
as snow, and his eyes were like a fiery flame, 15 and his feet were like fine copper when glowing in a furnace,
and his voice was like the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars, and out of his
mouth a sharp, long, two-edged sword was protruding, and his countenance was like the sun when it shines
at its brightest. 17 When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said:
“Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one...

The 'son of man' declares that He is 'the First and the Last' (verse 17).

Jehovah declared, 'There is no God but me' and 'I am the First and the Last' (Isaiah 44:6).

The 'son of man' in Revelations is the very same 'Jehovah' in Isaiah.

 

[RJ]

One in the same.

 

[bguz]

Hello Ima I just want to say that you have every right to believe whatever you want to. I have a very good JW friend who actually is a Elder here in NY, I live close to the Pine Bush/Wallkill major distribution center here. I had several studies w/my friend and agreed to disagree on many topics. I grew a great respect for my friend because he actually studies "his" Bible. The reason I put his is because we actually studied different Bible versions and as you would guess we agreed to disagree.

I love the fact that we can sit together, sometimes up to 5 of us and open Gods Word and search the Scripture for hours. Sad to say I know other fellow Christians who we disagree w/a doctrine and who will not even sit down and open Gods Word but are so prideful and so "I'm right and your wrong". That is very sad to me.

But to this topic its a serious topic to consider Ima. I know from the study w/my JW friend that Jesus is held highly for you. He is the One who give us all Salvation. He lived and died for us. You believe Jehovah gave all to Jesus and Jesus created all things(Col). That's great. I noticed though that in your Bible, when compared to the KJV, a lot of the verses that say Jesus is God have been changed. This is something you should consider studying as to why they are changed. Look up the Greek meaning of the verses or Hebrew. Try for yourself to do the study. Remember we as individual would have to answer for ourselves individually" with no elder or fellow brother or sister there. God bless.

 

[RJ]

Hello Ima I just want to say that you have every right to believe whatever you want to. I have a very good JW friend who actually is a Elder here in NY, I live close to the Pine Bush/Wallkill major distribution center here. I had several studies w/my friend and agreed to disagree on many topics. I grew a great respect for my friend because he actually studies "his" Bible. The reason I put his is because we actually studied different Bible versions and as you would guess we agreed to disagree.

I love the fact that we can sit together, sometimes up to 5 of us and open Gods Word and search the Scripture for hours. Sad to say I know other fellow Christians who we disagree w/a doctrine and who will not even sit down and open Gods Word but are so prideful and so "I'm right and your wrong". That is very sad to me.

But to this topic its a serious topic to consider Ima. I know from the study w/my JW friend that Jesus is held highly for you. He is the One who give us all Salvation. He lived and died for us. You believe Jehovah gave all to Jesus and Jesus created all things(Col). That's great. I noticed though that in your Bible, when compared to the KJV, a lot of the verses that say Jesus is God have been changed. This is something you should consider studying as to why they are changed. Look up the Greek meaning of the verses or Hebrew. Try for yourself to do the study. Remember we as individual would have to answer for ourselves individually" with no elder or fellow brother or sister there. God bless.

IF, your saying other Bibles, other than the KJV, say jesus is not God...please reference the Bible and scripture.

 

[james1523]

I do love those scriptures as well. It helps us to see the invisible God Jehovah thru Jesus' action. He was a direct reflection of his God and Father Jehovah. Further John 17:3 "(Jesus prayed to his Father] This is eternal live, that they know thee the only true God ["who alone art truly God,"], and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." (Notice that Jesus referred not to himself but to his Father in heaven as "the only true God.")
John 20:17 "Jesus said to her [Mary Magdalene], 'Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" So to the resurrected Jesus, the Father was God, just as the Father was God to Mary Magdalene. Interestingly, not once in Scripture do we find the Father addressing the Son as "my God."

Not only is Jesus the Father He is also the Spirit (2 Cor 3:17) and the Father is Spirit (John 4:24) therefore Jesus is the Father.
We don't need to find the Father addressing the Son as "my God" to know that He is God, because we simply have to refer to the miraculous Virgin birth. But we do have humans addressing Him as "my God" in John 20:28. I will make this very simple for you. Jesus is both human and divine. Jesus was called the Son of Man and the Son of God. The Son of Man in his humanity, and the Son of God in his divinity. The son of two humans is human, the son of two dogs is dog, the son of two cats is cat... therefore the Son of God is God. Being called a Son of God is equivalent to being called God (John 10:36). In Christ's divinity He is the everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6), in his humanity He is the Son.

 

[Brighthouse]

Hi Bgug As I am sure you are aware of 2 Tim 3:16-17 For if we go to fix a car,and do not have the proper tools to fix it while,our intentions ,may be nice, things cannot get finished without the proper tools. It is not about pride one corrects,although i would sure agree how we do this is also important! The time has come for those who will not endure sound doctrine.( 2 tim 4:2-5) If we look to replace Jesus as God to something other then who he is, then we are not only deceiving our self,but looking to deceive others as well.

Mature people in here cannot nor will ever allow this to happen! And if Jesus is not God, then Jesus would be putting himself above the Father! But he cannot lie( Hebrews 6:13-18) How could Jesus ever judge,when there is someone above him? Jesus rose from the dead,who else has done this? Only God could rise again,so how can anyone say Jesus is not who he told Philip he was and is?( john 14:6-14)

For if we take this scripture as anything other then truth,then we might as well take the entire bible and trash it! For if he lied in any one place, all of it is a lie. A brother or a sister who does not believe Jesus is who he said he is,has no part in his Kingdom.( matt 10:32-33) if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. How can anyone become confused by this? Unless!!!! They listen to someone other then Jesus himself!

They prefer there own translation to the scriptures of course, the name alone should strike a warning bell! They use the New World Translation, its founder started this in the 1870s whose name is Charles Taze Russell,and a group of there elders establish all doctrine!! Done in Brooklyn New York.So now you all know why many here can be so tough on some who would look to deceive others! No cult wants to be exposed to the light,and in my humble opinion,that is excatly what they are! They do not regard anyone other then own,and Saturday is there sabbath,so that tells you they are still under the law as well!

When Jesus through our brother Paul said this! ( rom 14:5-8) For since Christ is the end of the law( rom 10:4) they do not believe this.Therefore!!! They have been already cut off!( gal 5:4) For they were once enlightened, and have fallen away!( heb 6:4-6) You cannot look to shame Jesus and expect to receive anything from him! This is a tough word i know! Spoken in love,but it is really time to wake up from ones sleep!( rom 13:11)

But for those of us who love our Jesus as he is,God is not unjust to forget you work either!!( heb 6:9-12!) If you hang with darkness and stay in it long enough,you become where you dwell! Without Jesus i would have surly been lost! Because it is easy to hid,and never so easy to stand always in the light of the truth who is our Jesus! ( Acts 26:15-18!!!!) It is time for the believer to make his or her stand upon the Word!!

 

[imajw4life]

Bottom line.......Jesus never accepted any praise given to him by ANYONE including his followers. He always gave credit to his Father in the heavens. When Jesus was baptized, a voice from heaven approved it and spoke from heaven. When Jesus was dying on the torture stake, he prayed to his Father that if it was His will to die, he would do so. Are you saying that Jesus was talking to himself? When the disciples asked when was the conclusion of that system of things, Jesus said he didn't know, only the Father in the heavens.

Hello ImaJW4life.

The true identity of the Christ has been the subject of much debate for two thousand years.
When one reads the scripture, it is not hard to see why this debate will never cease.

The Old and New Testament refers to the Christ as 'Lord', and we are very well aware
that 'Lord' can mean men, angels, and even the God of Israel.

The Bible translators have not helped in the identification of the messiah's true title.
Because the Bible translators are very conservative and traditional folk, they follow
tradition absolutely.

Unfortunately for us, the Bible translators followed an ancient Jewish practice of not
pronouncing or writing the ancient name of God, as it was far to sacred. Instead of uttering
the sacred name 'YHWH' (the almighty God of Israel), the Jews would use the substitute
name of 'Lord'. No one in Israel from the second century before the time of the Christ,
were permitted to use the name 'YHWH'. Except once a year when the high priest was
allowed to say the name 'YHWH'.

Now ImaJW4life, I will demonstrate from the scripture this practice of the substitution
of 'Lord' for 'YHWH' by the translators of nearly every Bible translation that exists.

Ezekiel 1 (New World Translation)
28 like that of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day. That was how the surrounding brilliant light
appeared. It was like the appearance of the glory of Jehovah. When I saw it, I fell face down and
began to hear the voice of someone speaking.

The New World Translation is absolutely correct in using the name 'Jehovah'. For in the Hebrew
text the name is actually 'YHWH'.

Compare the New World Translation to the New American Standard Bible.

Ezekiel 1(NASB)
28 As the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the
surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.

See how this weighty translation uses the word 'Lord' instead of 'Jehovah', following the
ridiculous Jewish tradition.

Now compare the New World Translation to the King James Version.

Ezekiel 1 (KJV)
28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of
the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.

Again in place of the Hebrew name 'YHWH', the KJV uses the name of 'Lord' just like the NASB.
The translators are so traditional they stumble into the same error that the Jews committed.

There is no argument that the Hebrew text uses 'YHWH' and the translators should translate
this word correctly and not alter the text. For 'YHWH' is the sacred name of God Almighty
and is used thousands of times in the original Hebrew manuscripts.

Up to this point, I am in total agreement with your original post ImaJW4life.

But there exists a very serious problem in your translation and the understanding of the messiah's
true name.

Back we go to this text from Ezekiel and will add some extra lines, the lines are from your
preferred text ImaJW4life.

Ezekiel 1(NWT)
26 Above the expanse that was over their heads was what looked like a sapphire stone,and it resembled
a throne. Sitting on the throne up above was someone whose appearance resembled that of a human.
27 I saw something glowing like electrum that was like a fire radiating from what appeared to be his waist
and upward; and from his waist down, I saw something that resembled fire. There was a brilliance all
around him...

Did you spot the problem ImaJW4life, the one sitting on this glorious throne, had the appearance
of a man! This man or 'human' is 'YHWH' and He sits on the throne. This human on the throne is
the one and only 'YHWH' or 'Jehovah', the Almighty God of Israel. Yes ImaJW4life, this human is
Jesus the Christ, the Creator, the 'I am', e.t.c.

You have no option but to accept that the true identity of Jesus as the Almighty God. We need to
forgive the translators of the Bible for their errors and realize that the name 'Lord', in nearly all
occurrences should be 'YHWH'.

Just another small point, 'YHWH' cannot be translated into the name 'Jehovah'. The Hebrew name
of God should be left in the original form. The original Hebrew word has no vowels and no direct
English equivalent.

 

[imajw4life]

Jesus was called the Son of Man and the Son of God because he was born from the two. He was born from the virgin Mary and also Jehovah's first born. I never said Jesus was not a god. The scriptures call Satan a god. Your theory about Jesus would have him praying to himself for strength, talking to the him in heaven while he himself was on the earth. He is not mysterious, the Bible is clear in who Jesus is and who his Father is in the heavens

Not only is Jesus the Father He is also the Spirit (2 Cor 3:17) and the Father is Spirit (John 4:24) therefore Jesus is the Father.
We don't need to find the Father addressing the Son as "my God" to know that He is God, because we simply have to refer to the miraculous Virgin birth. But we do have humans addressing Him as "my God" in John 20:28. I will make this very simple for you. Jesus is both human and divine. Jesus was called the Son of Man and the Son of God. The Son of Man in his humanity, and the Son of God in his divinity. The son of two humans is human, the son of two dogs is dog, the son of two cats is cat... therefore the Son of God is God. Being called a Son of God is equivalent to being called God (John 10:36). In Christ's divinity He is the everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6), in his humanity He is the Son.

 

[DHC]

Jesus was called the Son of Man and the Son of God because he was born from the two. He was born from the virgin Mary and also Jehovah's first born. I never said Jesus was not a god. The scriptures call Satan a god. Your theory about Jesus would have him praying to himself for strength, talking to the him in heaven while he himself was on the earth. He is not mysterious, the Bible is clear in who Jesus is and who his Father is in the heavens

Hello ImaJW4life.

You should carefully read the following verses in your NWT translation.

Colossians 1 (New World Translation)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other
things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they
are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and
for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist...

There is a very important specific revelation contained both in these verses and other verses which to
some extent, nullifies any debate about the true identity of the Christ. For some unknown reason this
aspect of this specific revelation has been ignored.

The specific revelation is that 'All other things have been created through him and for him' (verse 16).

You and I have been created through Jesus, and here it is, you have been created FOR Jesus!

Creation exists for Jesus, creation does not exist for any other purpose, than for Jesus.
Although all creation has not fully been subjected to Jesus, it will be subjected to Jesus.
For creation exists purely for Jesus sake and for no other.

Philippians 2 (New World Translation)
10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on
earth and those under the ground.

Creation will give the Glory to Jesus Christ and to no other identity, you will bow to Jesus.

Philippians 3 (New World Translation)
3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus

We Glory in Christ Jesus, we are created for Christ Jesus and for Him alone.

Acts 4 (New World translation)
12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that
has been given among men by which we must get saved.

The name of Jesus is the only name that is of importance, no other name has any relevance or significance.
It is the only name under heaven given to us!

No one can be saved in the name of Jehovah, YHWH, Yahway, God, Lord, or any other name.

No name, other than Jesus Christ can be used for the purpose of evangelism.

1 Corinthians 2 (NWT)
1 So when I came to you, brothers, I did not come with extravagant speech or wisdom declaring the
sacred secret of God to you. 2 For I decided not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ,
and him executed on the stake.

You have been commanded to proclaim only the name of Jesus Christ. This is the Gospel and the only
revelation that has the power to save anyone. We do not preach 'YHWH', we never preach 'God', and
never, never, preach 'Jehovah'. These titles and names have no power to save! We have been told to preach
the name of Jesus Christ, the name that is above all other names. You will submit yourself to Jesus and
preach only Jesus, for we have been given no other instruction.

You may have been taught to present the witness of Jehovah but that is pure error. You have been told
to preach the Christ and Him only. As Paul said 'to know anything among you except Jesus Christ'.

You were created for Jesus and of this we can be certain. You were not created for Jehovah.

 

[james1523]

Bottom line.......Jesus never accepted any praise given to him by ANYONE including his followers. He always gave credit to his Father in the heavens. When Jesus was baptized, a voice from heaven approved it and spoke from heaven. When Jesus was dying on the torture stake, he prayed to his Father that if it was His will to die, he would do so. Are you saying that Jesus was talking to himself? When the disciples asked when was the conclusion of that system of things, Jesus said he didn't know, only the Father in the heavens.

You are wrong because Matthew 21:15-16 shows Jesus accepting praise, but I see that Matt 21:15 in the NWT has been corrupted from the original meaning. However you may turn to the KJV for the true meaning which is Jesus accepting praise.

 

[Chad]

@imajw4lifeThe Bible is abundantly clear that Jesus is One with the Father (He said it Himself) and that He is GOD manifest in the flesh.

Here's a short article from CBN

Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus claimed to be God? Many people have come to my door in hopes of proving that Jesus never claimed to be God because he wasn’t God. Here are some verses that show their argument to have no merit.

"The Jews answered Him (Jesus), 'For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make yourself out to be God.' ” (John 10:33)
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Jesus had obviously claimed to be God. So just what had He said to upset His Jewish audience so much?

“I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30)
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He didn’t say that He was simply like the Father. He said that they were “one.” In verse 36, Jesus makes it clear that He had referred to Himself as the “Son of God.” Logic alone would tell us that the “Son” of God would possess the same deity as the Father. Man begets man. God begets God. The Jews, however, didn’t believe any of His claims. Getting nowhere with them, Jesus then focused their attention on the works that He had done and would continue to do. If He wasn’t God, He reasoned, how could He have performed all those miracles? He supported His claim to be God by saying,

“…that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." (John 10:38)
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During the Last Supper, just after washing the disciples’ feet, Jesus made a bold statement:

“You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am.” (John 13:13)
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The New Testament was originally written in Greek. The Greek word for “Lord” is Kurios, meaning “God—supreme in authority. Jesus was making the point that they were to follow the example (serving one another) set by God Himself. Later that evening, He reiterated His claim by saying to Philip,

“…He who has seen Me has seen the Father.” (John 14:9)
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Perhaps the most direct and profound example of Jesus claiming to be God is found at the end of the eighth chapter of John.

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham as born, I am.” (John 8:58)
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This may seem like a confusing answer, but the Jews knew exactly what He was claiming. By using the term “I am,” He was making Himself out to be Yahweh (God) of the Old Testament. We know that the Jews understood His claim, since verse 59 tells us that they wanted to stone Him. He was claiming to have existed not only before Abraham, but eternally. We find the name “I AM” first used when God called Moses to lead the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt. Not being crazy about the whole idea, Moses started making excuses. If he told the “sons of Israel” that the God of their fathers had sent him to them, what should he say if they asked, “What is His name?”

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
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Here, God, in giving this name, gives the essential meaning of Yahweh—I am the One who is. By referring to Himself with the same name, Jesus is unmistakably claiming to be God. Anyone who argues that Jesus never made such a claim simply hasn’t bothered to search the Scriptures for themselves.

Can You Prove Jesus is God?
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Here's a far more extensive list of verses as well:
http://www.talkjesus.com/seeking-jesus-/49451-bible-verses-jesus-divine-god.html#post242502