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amen,amen i agree spiritleded, not going to church is going to send you straight to hell.:clapping:
The quip doesn't say that. The quip says that attending church services does not give you a ticket to heaven. Many people who enter church buildings every weekend are in for a shock on Judgement Day.

SLE
 
Why can't gays be Christian? We're all sinners. And Jesus died to take take away our sins. So as long as gays believe in Jesus, they're pretty much saved, right?

God established the original and only standard for a sexual relationship at Genesis 2. After having created the first man Adam, God then said: "It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him.”(Gen 2:18) Therefore, "Jehovah God had a deep sleep fall upon the man and, while he was sleeping, he took one of his ribs and then closed up the flesh over its place. And Jehovah God proceeded to build the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman and to bring her to the man."(Gen 2:21, 22)

These were told by Jehovah God: "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”(Gen 1:26)

Hence, only a man and a woman are to be bound together in marriage, and only in this arrangement is a sexual desire to be fulfilled, and possibly children. This marital arrangement, when implemented as God purposed it, becomes a stable and fulfilling union. This gives a firmness and stability for any children born of this union, having both a loving father and mother.

Any other union, such as a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, violates this original marital union, and comes under the heading of fornication (Greek porneia, from which the English word pornography comes), meaning "Illicit sex relations outside of Scriptural marriage." Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (revised by F. W. Gingrich and F. Danker, 1979, p. 693) defines por·nei´a as “prostitution, unchastity, fornication, of every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse.”

The apostle Paul wrote: "For this is what God wills, the sanctifying of you, that you abstain from fornication; that each one of you should know how to get possession of his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in covetous sexual appetite such as also those nations have which do not know God."(1 Thess 4:3-5)

Jesus told the Pharisees: "Did you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together let no man put apart.”(Matt 19:4-6)

Hence, Jesus said that only a "male and female" are to be linked in matrimony, for he further said to the Pharisees, when asked about divorce under the Mosaic Law: "Moses, out of regard for your hardheartedness, made the concession to you of divorcing your wives, but such has not been the case from the beginning. I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication, and marries another commits adultery.”(Matt 19:8, 9)

Therefore, any marital union other than "male and female" is a violation of God's original marital arrangement and will receive God's wrath, for Jesus said that "he that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son (by forming an unnatural marital union) will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him."(John 3:36)
 
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It's a matter of a repentant heart and mind. A real good sign of a "Born Again" Christian and Jesus said you must be born again to be a Christian, is a person who has repented of their sins. There is no such thing as a practicing, non-repentant homosexual, the two are in total conflict with one another.

Now, this can be confusing, considering it is very possible for a person who is "Born Again" and still currently a struggling homosexuality to some degree. The difference is, this person knows in their heart that it is wrong and wants to change, and in God's timing and prayer with supplication, the change will come.

But, a Christian , who blatantly practices homosexuality with no regard to repentance, is no Christian at all. It is impossible to have the Holy Spirit abiding in you and not be convicted of this repeated sin!


^^^^^^^^^This is very well said

Happy
 
:confused2:1 corinthians 6:9:10 say no , what do you think .
because if you lived that life style and ask jesus to be your lord and savior there should be a change .


Why not? All Christians have the sin of pride and most of them have the sin of lust. If they don't have lust, then they couldn't have children.

I've met a lot of Christians with the sin of greed. In fact, my former boss was a Christian all his life but his greed was much more important in his life than anything else.

The Christian pastor who married my ex and I is in prison for having sexual intercourse with his three daughters as they were growing up. It took his youngest daughter 15 years before she finally confessed to this lust problem he had.

I have lots more stories about Christians who sin like all other sinners I've met in my life. Would you like to hear them?
 
Why not? All Christians have the sin of pride and most of them have the sin of lust. If they don't have lust, then they couldn't have children.

I've met a lot of Christians with the sin of greed. In fact, my former boss was a Christian all his life but his greed was much more important in his life than anything else.

The Christian pastor who married my ex and I is in prison for having sexual intercourse with his three daughters as they were growing up. It took his youngest daughter 15 years before she finally confessed to this lust problem he had.

I have lots more stories about Christians who sin like all other sinners I've met in my life. Would you like to hear them?


Does that mean he is a repented Believer?

MT 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, `I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
1JN 3:4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1JN 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

1JN 3:11 This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12 Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15 Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
God warned Cain he told him NOT to allow his sin to master him.

GE 4:6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."
Christians who continue to sin have decided to allow sin to be their master and you know the Bible says a man cannot have TWO masters. Those who are of the LOrd will earnestly seek to not sin and they will take steps to no easily fall to sin.

The pastor was without excuse to sexually abuse his own daughters, and the daughter exposed him so he didn't even go forward to confess it? This means he not only did the same sin over and over while standing before a congregation preaching the Word of God but he kept the sin a secrect without taking steps to be held accountable.

In the end only GOD can judge this man. If he has truly repented before the Lord he will be forgiven.

However, a person who keeps sinning over and over in secret and then gets caught doesn't sound like someone who was earnstly trying to live his life for GOD.

If someone is constantly sinning and doing it openly should not be tolerated by the Body of Christ (the church). Paul tells the Corinthians they had should not have continued to allow a man who openly lived with his fathers wife to remain amongst them.

1CO 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

1CO 5:6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

1CO 5:9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

1CO 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
I am not without compassion. I have prayed with those struggling with sin but after a long period where they wouldn't even make small changes to avoid the sin they say they are struggling with I have challenged them about it. If they have remained in the sin I have asked an elder in Church to speak to the person. Our Church has asked a few to leave because of longterm open sin that they will not address.

There is a difference between some one making a true effort to stop sinning and a person who is continuing to give in to their sins. A person who sins in the dark and keeps it secret certainly had not made any effort at all. If that father and pastor had any decency at all he would have removed himself from his house, told at least his wife and another godly man and made himself accountable. He may still had his lusts but he would have taken the first steps to stop Sin being his master.

I have had to take steps to deal with my own sins. So I know you still deal with the temptations but if you remove yourself from the source and possibility of indulging the sin you can have victory over time.

That man could have gone to prostitutes to satisfy his lusts but he choose to defile his own daughters to keep his secret lusts hidden. (He could be caught out going to a prostitute and besides it costs money to use a prostitute that his wife might noticed missing). Open your eyes to the true nature of what this man had done. It is one thing to have lust problems but you can often find other ways of satisfying it besides ruining your own children.
 
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Jesus said, if you believe in me, my word will abide in you, and the Bible is against all sins, you can't say you have a relationship with Jesus until you repent from your former ways of living, if you are serious about Jesus, you will, naturally wanna obey Him, you may struggle, but you'll have to repent eventually.

Jesus is big enough, pure enough, loving enough, to take THAT sin away.
 
This is an interesting discussion.

1 john 1:5-10
If you notice the passage says "the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin"

I have noticed that some folks like to have their "pet sins" that they rail against. Homosexuality being the primary one. I find it offencive.

Why not the larger sin group of fornication? Is that because our society accepts a man and woman having consensual sex as the norm? Do self righteous "Christians" choose to ignore Jesus' command to love God above all and to love one another in favor of shunning an entire group of hurting people that Jesus died for?

Homosexuals and un married heterosexuals that engage in sex are people that have issues the Holy Spirit will deal with when they accept Jesus as their savior. The passage quoted above also says " If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. "

He cleanses us from all unrighteousness.


I have noticed in "church" that a man and a woman can live together and have children together and be accepted into the fellowship though they are not legally married. But if a person comes in that is in a same sex relationship, they are treated as if they have leprosy. I think the double standard is appalling.


Suppose all four of the individuals in the last paragraph have come to saving knowledge of Jesus and have been born again. All four should be loved and encouraged to persue THEIR relationship with God and we should stay out of their bedrooms and ALLOW God to heal them and help them to grow in the knowledge of God and ALLOW God to cleans them of all unrighteousness.


If we reject and shun them and expell them from our fellowship then they are deprived of the preaching and fellowship of their brothers and sisters in Christ. It may be that through our loving them, the Holy Spirit will work in their lives through us and bring them into the light.


It seems to me that some here have a "Jesus plus" gospel. Meaning that Jesus' sacrifice is not enough to save but you have to ADD compliance to religious conservatism before you are a child of God and accepted by the masses.

Acceptance is based on God's love and it is by His grace alone. Once we are in fellowship with Him, God will take care of the rest. HE will cleans us of all unrighteousness. It is a journey in which God walks with us and guides us by the light of His word. Let us not be guilty of putting stumbling blocks in their paths of anyone whose name is written in the Lamb's book of life.

In Revelation 21, Jesus says...

“Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. 7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Conquering our flesh is an ongoing battle. Self control is a fruit of the spirit and we all have to contend with it. For some it is more difficult than others. but compassion for others will help them to come to understand Galatians chapter 5... not shunning or brow beating or disdain. Loving one another in Christ and allowing God by His Holy Spirit to work in the lives of our brothers and sisters will.

"16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another."
~Galatians chapter 5
 
My last post was quite lengthy but I have more to say on this subject.

I am not condoning sin. Any sin.

What I am saying is if you have someone in your life that is born again and in a sexual relationship and they ask you if it is "ok" to sin then instead of beating them up, ask if they would like to go over some scriptures with you regarding the subject. And in LOVE share with them what the bible says about fornication and let the Holy Spirit bring them to repentance.
 
That's a nice way to put it sister Strypes. I like that.

We know GOD loves the sinner but hates the sin.

So don't judge others in condemnation. Reach out to them with love as Christ did. After wall, He even prayed for those who *nailed* Him to the cross! Amazing example of forgiveness and love isn't it?

Luke 23:33-35
33 When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. 34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”[a] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

35 The people stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him. They said, “He saved others; let him save himself if he is God’s Messiah, the Chosen One.”
 
That's a nice way to put it sister Strypes. I like that.

We know GOD loves the sinner but hates the sin.

So don't judge others in condemnation. Reach out to them with love as Christ did. After wall, He even prayed for those who *nailed* Him to the cross! Amazing example of forgiveness and love isn't it?
Luke 23:33-35
33 When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. 34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”[a] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

35 The people stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him. They said, “He saved others; let him save himself if he is God’s Messiah, the Chosen One.”

Yes it is. Jesus forgave them even before they realized what they had done. His love for us is the same. And we are to follow His example.
 
We know GOD loves the sinner but hates the sin.

I know this is off topic but I feel compelled to address it anyway. While the above statement may be true at times, I do not believe it is an unconditional/absolute statement that can be made. While God is a loving God, He is also a vengeful and wrathful God. Perhaps this is best suited in another discussion though.
 
Once we are in fellowship with Him, God will take care of the rest. HE will cleanse us of all unrighteousness. It is a journey in which God walks with us and guides us by the light of His word. Let us not be guilty of putting stumbling blocks in their paths of anyone whose name is written in the Lamb's book of life.

Being "cleansed of all unrighteousness" is not a quick in-quick out Holy Spirit Car Wash operation. Rather, it is an extreme makover inside and out that is often a process that takes years. Regarding putting stumbling blocks in front of others, remember what Jesus told the Pharisees when they brought the woman caught in adultry to Him: "If any of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." (Jn 8:7 NIV).

SLE
 
My last post was quite lengthy but I have more to say on this subject.

I am not condoning sin. Any sin.

What I am saying is if you have someone in your life that is born again and in a sexual relationship and they ask you if it is "ok" to sin then instead of beating them up, ask if they would like to go over some scriptures with you regarding the subject. And in LOVE share with them what the bible says about fornication and let the Holy Spirit bring them to repentance.


What do you do then when they are still living together after several years of going to Church and being encouraged to get married but refuse to do so because a marriage license to them is just a piece of paper.

It is nice to be nice but at some time a minister or church elder has to make a stand.

Are we not to chastise those that say they are Saved but continue to Sin?

See what Paul has to say about it before you reply:-

1CO 5:9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

1CO 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

1CO 6:1 If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints? 2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4 Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church! 5 I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? 6 But instead, one brother goes to law against another--and this in front of unbelievers!

1CO 6:7 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers.

1CO 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1CO 6:12 "Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." 17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

1CO 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

1CO 7:1 Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. 2 But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

As you can see the teaching here is clear about several things. First is sexual sin is far greater sin than others becuase our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

The other is we are to judge inside the Church not outside. So if a brother or sister in Christ is into any kind of sexual immorality they should be approached about it not left to continue. AND yes I agree not hit by a rod but certainly dealt with appropriately.

If the person doesn't repnet and stop then Paul has instructed the Corinthians to expel that person from amongst them. There is a limit to which we are to put up with the sexually immoral.

1CO 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

1CO 5:6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

1CO 5:9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

Paul states clearly that the Church or Fellowship group has to take a stand at some time with the sexually immoral. He lists off a few other sins there as well. Why because you cannot condone their sins by putting up with them.

Yes you need to be kind and speak to them, then if they continue to ignore those who have spoken to them, cast them out from your fellowship. Make a stand.

I have Christian friends(from my Uni days) who came out as being Gay but told us they were not practising but it was found out they were going to Gay clubs and had boyfriends. After challenging them about it they pretty well told us we had to accept them because God loved them just the way they were. After we tried again to share with them about their sin they were not willing to give up the lifestyle we told them to leave. Myself and a couple of others have tried to keep in contact for a while in the hope they might change theor minds but they didn't. We have all cut contact and keep them in our prayers. I do know how one of these two guys is going because his brother is still a Christian and comes to Church.

What I'm saying is there is a time limit on being kind and nice and understanding. Action needs to be taken if Christians persist in their sins. Also that sexual sin is more serious than other sins for the reasons Paul explains in the scriptures above.
 
Howdee MelodyC,

The scriptures you shared would be some of the ones I would share with someone who asked me about what the bible says about fornication.

As for expelling someone from "church", I am reminded of what Jesus said when the woman was caught in the very act of adultry. "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" (VOTE).
 
Howdee MelodyC,

The scriptures you shared would be some of the ones I would share with someone who asked me about what the bible says about fornication.

As for expelling someone from "church", I am reminded of what Jesus said when the woman was caught in the very act of adultry. "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" (VOTE).


Yes if you actually read the whole story what did Jesus say to the woman at the end?

JN 8:9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"

JN 8:11 "No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

Jesus didn't condemn the woman but he told her to not do it again. So the expectation is for people to stop sinning.

Yes you like the bit which says Jesus didn't condemn her. You forget he is also expecting people to s STOP Sinning.

JN 5:14 Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." 15 The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.

Jesus didn't heal people to help them continue in a life of Sin, Jesus expected people to stop sinning. He warned this guy he healed something worse will happen to him if he didn't stop sinning.

There is none of this you are Saved and still acceptable if you continue to sin business with Jesus. (I put an emphasis on CONTINUE to SIN! I know it takes time to for people to change but they are expected to change. )

We as Saved believers are over and over told we are to leave our sinful lives behind in the New Testament.

RO 8:5 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; 7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. 8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.

RO 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

RO 8:12 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation--but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.


Again we are urged to stop sinning and live for Christ!

GAL 5:13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

GAL 5:16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

GAL 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

There are many verses in the New Testament that spell it out in black and white. You have it clearly said time and again. Yes you are forgiven and have been Saved by Christ but NOT to live as you did before but to live for the Lord and STOP sinning.


Oh I'm no perfect person but I know I have been bought at a price and the Holy Spirit lives in me so I strive to change and I know the Lord helps me to do so.
 
Indeed the woman caught in adultery was instructed by Jesus to go and sin no more. That was a conversation between her and Jesus.

Jesus did not instruct the religious leaders to hound her and make sure she conformed.

We are all saved sinners. Saved by the grace of God to love God above all and to love each other.

Jesus told a story about having a log in your eye whilst trying to get the speck out of your brother's eye. First get the log out of your own eye then you will see clearly to help your brother (in love) to get the speck out of their eye.

It seems to me that folks in same sex relationships are being slapped around by the logs of hatered in the eyes of "well meaning" Christians.

Learn to love them, then you may be able to help them.

Your expectation of kicking them to the street may be over come by compassion. Jesus had commpassion on all whom He healed. He knew they would not lead "perfect" lives and that is why HIS grace is new every morning. I need His grace. YOU need His grace. WE ALL need it. We do not go a day without a bad thought or a bad attitude or something for which we need His grace.


So to specifically answer the question posed in this thread.. YES you can be gay (sexually attracted to the same sex) and be Saved. You will have trials and struggles (as we all do on many levels) and God will be with you to help you, and walk with you in this journey we call life.

The Holy Spirit will work with you to overcome the things you need to overcome and He will be the one that cleanses you from all unrighteousness. For some, the issues of the flesh are overcome almost instantly, for others it may take time. Days months years or decades but God will be with you every step of the way. Love God above all and Trust Him to work HIS will in your life. Forgive the "Christians" that insult you and spit on you and reject you from their fellowship. Learn to love them in spite of their "well meaning" condemnation.
 
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Indeed the woman caught in adultery was instructed by Jesus to go and sin no more. That was a conversation between her and Jesus.

Jesus did not instruct the religious leaders to hound her and make sure she conformed.

We are all saved sinners. Saved by the grace of God to love God above all and to love each other.

Jesus told a story about having a log in your eye whilst trying to get the speck out of your brother's eye. First get the log out of your own eye then you will see clearly to help your brother (in love) to get the speck out of their eye.

Actually you are totally incorrect in making that statement.

The Pharisees were only following the law given to them by Moses.

LEV 20:10 " `If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.


Those who were going to stone here were completely within their rights to do so by LAW.

Jesus did have compassion something the LAW could not give the Jews. So what Jesus was demonstrating is that there can be forgivness of sins.

Now if you actually bothered to read ANY of the scriotures I quoted you would have learned the difference between Law and GRace AND you would also have learned that we are NOT FREE to SIN under Grace because we don't belong to ourselves any more we are Slaves to Christ. God owns us and He expects that we respond with living lives according to His commandments. In other words you don't have decades to keep sinning my dear. Those that continue to sin are slapping God in the face and God will not be mocked.

Get over yourself you are not God and He made it plain He won't put up with Sin. You are leading people astray saying God loves you it's OK to keep sinning.

1JN 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

GAL 5:13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love.

You are called out of sin and the sooner the better.

HEB 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
 
Actually you are totally incorrect in making that statement.

The Pharisees were only following the law given to them by Moses.

LEV 20:10 " `If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.


Those who were going to stone here were completely within their rights to do so by LAW.

So where was the man?
 
Indeed the woman caught in adultery was instructed by Jesus to go and sin no more. That was a conversation between her and Jesus.

Jesus did not instruct the religious leaders to hound her and make sure she conformed.

We are all saved sinners. Saved by the grace of God to love God above all and to love each other.

Jesus told a story about having a log in your eye whilst trying to get the speck out of your brother's eye. First get the log out of your own eye then you will see clearly to help your brother (in love) to get the speck out of their eye.

It seems to me that folks in same sex relationships are being slapped around by the logs of hatered in the eyes of "well meaning" Christians.

Learn to love them, then you may be able to help them.

Your expectation of kicking them to the street may be over come by compassion. Jesus had commpassion on all whom He healed. He knew they would not lead "perfect" lives and that is why HIS grace is new every morning. I need His grace. YOU need His grace. WE ALL need it. We do not go a day without a bad thought or a bad attitude or something for which we need His grace.


So to specifically answer the question posed in this thread.. YES you can be gay (sexually attracted to the same sex) and be Saved. You will have trials and struggles (as we all do on many levels) and God will be with you to help you, and walk with you in this journey we call life.

The Holy Spirit will work with you to overcome the things you need to overcome and He will be the one that cleanses you from all unrighteousness. For some, the issues of the flesh are overcome almost instantly, for others it may take time. Days months years or decades but God will be with you every step of the way. Love God above all and Trust Him to work HIS will in your life. Forgive the "Christians" that insult you and spit on you and reject you from their fellowship. Learn to love them in spite of their "well meaning" condemnation.

I like your understanding of saved by Grace, Strypes, you are a blessing to us all!
 
I know this is off topic but I feel compelled to address it anyway. While the above statement may be true at times, I do not believe it is an unconditional/absolute statement that can be made. While God is a loving God, He is also a vengeful and wrathful God. Perhaps this is best suited in another discussion though.

I am sorry Rojo, I do like you and definitely think you are a brother, but we still have this one crucial disagreement. For what ever reason, possibly because you are a Legalistic at heart, I am not sure.

Because of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God is not "at war with man" any more. I just don't think that you have the full grasp of "saved by Grace" which is for the believer!

Oh, there will be a definite pouring out of his wrath in the "end times" but this is for the non-believers not the the "Born Again" Christian. And, for those Christians, God has given them there salvation as a gift and if it is a gift it is free. God will have his wrath on the unbeliever, but not now and especially for the Christian who has Jesus Christ living in them.

And, respectfully no, this is not an invitation to debate this subject, which we have done to ad-nausea, You have made a claim of the New Covenant that you think we live under and I have made mine. let's please leave it at that, my little Brother!
 
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