Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[God's Truth]

He did, He preserved His Word in such a way that I can still prove to you killing animals is unlawful, just from Scripture. But because of Justice He also allowed for tares among the wheat, to see who really loves Him. Because you can quote a dozen verses where it says God said to kill animals, and shed innocent blood. So, it all comes down to what voice do you listen to, His voice or the voice of strangers.

Ezekiel 22:28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

-I can only present the verses, the decision has to be made in each persons hearth, whom will ye serve?

You said the Bible has errors.

I say no way.

 

[Daniel L.]

I say no way.

It is not what you say, it is what Scripture says. You either serve the LORD that hates hands that shed innocent blood, or you serve the bloodthirsty who accepts blood sacrifices and commands them. You can't serve both masters. Choose whom will ye serve.

 

[God's Truth]

It is not what you say, it is what Scripture says. You either serve the LORD that hates hands that shed innocent blood, or you serve the bloodthirsty who accepts blood sacrifices and commands them. You can't serve both masters. Choose whom will ye serve.

You speak against the Word of God.

 

[Daniel L.]

You speak against the Word of God.

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

 

[God's Truth]

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

God sees what you are doing.

 

[Daniel L.]

God sees what you are doing.

He sees I don't speak against the Law nor the Prophets, I speak against those who have corrupted His law, which He permitted for the hardness of your hearts.

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

-So, you can speak against me, but you can't speak against Him, He still hates hands that shed innocent blood. That won't change.

 

[Sue D.]

And you still insist on misapplying Gods Word. Taking it out of it's intended context in order to have it say what you want it to say...and all the scriptures you quote are God's Word. Your own logic is flawed and n some area. And those areas are important.

 

[God's Truth]

He sees I don't speak against the Law nor the Prophets, I speak against those who have corrupted His law, which He permitted for the hardness of your hearts.

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

-So, you can speak against me, but you can't speak against Him, He still hates hands that shed innocent blood. That won't change.

That doesn't mean the Bible has falseness in it.
All the scriptures about the animals being sacrificed aren't false scriptures.

Jesus ate fish and honeycomb even after he was raised from the dead.

You think the Bible is full of falseness means you are going against God's Word.

 

[Daniel L.]

Your own logic is flawed and n some area.

Just because you say it's flawed, doesn't mean it is. You are not the Word of God. And may I ask you why you only accuse and don't provide any example? Where have I misused Scripture? -You are just trying to hold on to your traditions of man, and don't want to accept the Truth. The Father is the same, so we are brothers with the animals, we all have one Breath, so killing an ox is like killing a man, and Jesus is the Way to the Father, not Paul.

You think the Bible is full of falseness means you are going against God's Word.

Not full, and I'm not going against God's Word, I'm going against those who corrupted His law, which He permitted for the hardness of your hearts.

Here is an example:

Exodus 20:22 And the Lord said unto Moses, [...]

Exodus 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

-Jesus rebukes an eye for an eye.

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

-So, this is why you must choose whom will ye serve, either the lord that demands an eye for an eye, or Jesus Christ the Righteous, who turns the other cheek. You can't serve both masters. And no matter which one you choose, Jesus is the Truth which means an eye for an eye is not. This is evidence that they changed His judgements into wickedness, as it is written.

Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

Jesus ate fish

Jesus cannot sin.

 

[brighthouse98]

You know what Sue? (Phil 3:13-19) verse 18! And those people would be banned, I am surprised a certain party has not been banned 12 pages ago!

 

[God's Truth]

Just because you say it's flawed, doesn't mean it is. You are not the Word of God. And may I ask you why you only accuse and don't provide any example? Where have I misused Scripture? -You are just trying to hold on to your traditions of man, and don't want to accept the Truth. The Father is the same, so we are brothers with the animals, we all have one Breath, so killing an ox is like killing a man, and Jesus is the Way to the Father, not Paul.

Not full, and I'm not going against God's Word, I'm going against those who corrupted His law, which He permitted for the hardness of your hearts.

Here is an example:

Exodus 20:22 And the Lord said unto Moses, [...]

Exodus 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

-Jesus rebukes an eye for an eye.

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

-So, this is why you must choose whom will ye serve, either the lord that demands an eye for an eye, or Jesus Christ the Righteous, who turns the other cheek. You can't serve both masters. And no matter which one you choose, Jesus is the Truth which means an eye for an eye is not. This is evidence that they changed His judgements into wickedness, as it is written.

Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

Jesus cannot sin.

Jesus came to make a New Covenant/New Testament.

The New Covenant is the Old Covenant with some changes.

Jesus fulfilled the old and gave us a new.

 

[Sue D.]

@Daniel L. -- the Lord and Jesus Christ the righteous are the same person. No one serves the one or the other.
The Trinity / Godhead = God the Father , Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Sue D.]

You know what Sue? (Phil 3:13-19) verse 18! And those people would be banned, I am surprised a certain party has not been banned 12 pages ago!

I wonder if the mods are awake. Then again-- this forum is called *talk Jesus*. And ya have to admit that that is what he's doing.

He seems to feel that since he's s believer that anyone who disagrees with him must not be a believer. That we're not rightly dividing the word of God or we'd be agreeing with him. Very sad actually.

 

[Daniel L.]

New Covenant/New Testament

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

That we're not rightly dividing the word of God

Is Christ divided? -I don't divide the Word, nor God, nor His Law. His Law endureth forever, His Word will not pass away. The Bible isn't just Paul. Speaking of Paul, this is important, do you understand now, that we are saved by works, just like Jesus said? That we need to keep His commandments to live? -Because He is the Way you need to follow, not Paul. Jesus is the Life, not Paul. People who say they are not saved by works, are people who don't believe the Word of God, Jesus.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

-This should be a red flag, next time you read Paul, be carefull, because he is hard to understand, like Peter says. For example: "not of works" actually means Yes of works.

 

[God's Truth]

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

You are denying there is a New Covenant?

So you believe Jesus came and gave us a new covenant based on faith, or not?
We don't have to go through Jesus now, only the Father, like in the old covenant?
We still have to get circumcised and adhere to a dietary law, do various external baths, go to an earthly temple and sacrifice animals?
We still are to get put to death for adultery and working and preparing food on the Sabbath?
Still an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth?

You have a lot of reconsidering to do.
Jesus came and gave us a New Covenant.
It is the Old Covenant with some changes.

Hebrews 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

Is Christ divided? -I don't divide the Word, nor God, nor His Law. His Law endureth forever, His Word will not pass away. The Bible isn't just Paul. Speaking of Paul, this is important, do you understand now, that we are saved by works, just like Jesus said? That we need to keep His commandments to live? -Because He is the Way you need to follow, not Paul. Jesus is the Life, not Paul. People who say they are not saved by works, are people who don't believe the Word of God, Jesus.

It sounds like you have a problem with a chosen of God's, Paul.

 

[Daniel L.]

You are denying there is a New Covenant?

The new covenant was just a change from the letter to the heart. The Law itself didn't change, God wrote it in the heart instead of the letter. Or are you denying these?

Baruch 4:1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law that endureth for ever: all they that keep it shall come to life; but such as leave it shall die.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

-I would love to answer all your questions about the Law, but if you reject the lesser mysteries, who shall give you the greater?

 

[Sue D.]

The book of Baruch is not in the accepted canon of Scripture.

Look at Matthew 22: 36-40

 

[Daniel L.]

The book of Baruch is not in the accepted canon of Scripture.

One rejected, you still have to reject the other verses.

Look at Matthew 22: 36-40

Yes, if you follow the Two commandments, you would follow also the ten commandments. Because if you love your neighbour you shalt not kill, right? And so on, but this law explains it better:

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

-Now, remember that the animals, also have the Breath of Life, and you can't go around killing animals, not even according to the law of men. It is iniquity, how much more with the Law of God? -They were never food from the beginning, and God doesn't change, so His Word and His Law didn't change from then to now. It remains the same for ever.

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

 

[Christ4Ever]

You know what Sue? (Phil 3:13-19) verse 18! And those people would be banned, I am surprised a certain party has not been banned 12 pages ago!

Dear Brighthouse98,

The Lord is not slack concerning [His] promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 NKJV

Should we be any less with Brother Daniel?

I try to be as patient as possible, as a Moderator. Even when I have less reason to be then most! Still, I will be as patient to this Member as possible.
I can see by the continued posting on this thread, that I'm not the only one! Otherwise, he would have been left alone on this thread a long time ago.
I'll add my two cents/pence to Brother Daniel here shortly, in the hope that he will hear and have clarity. Not as the World sees it, but as a Child of God would.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[God's Truth]

The new covenant was just a change from the letter to the heart. The Law itself didn't change, God wrote it in the heart instead of the letter. Or are you denying these?

Baruch 4:1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law that endureth for ever: all they that keep it shall come to life; but such as leave it shall die.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

-I would love to answer all your questions about the Law, but if you reject the lesser mysteries, who shall give you the greater?

You don't recognize and accept the changes in the new covenant?