Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[B-A-C]

If y'all want to believe in a good works salvation that's up to you. And I'm finished here.

Jas 2:14 What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?

The obvious answer is... No.

Jas 2:20; But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Eph 2:10; For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Luke 13:3; "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Matt 25:25; 'And I was afraid, and went away and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.'
Matt 25:26; "But his master answered and said to him, 'You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed.
Matt 25:27; 'Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest.
Matt 25:28; 'Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.'

What happened to this "lazy slave"?

Matt 25:30; "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The same thing is going to happen to everyone who had an opportunity to use their talents for God, but refused to.

 

[Sue D.]

God does have good works for born-again believers , but not For their salvation.

If a born-again believer is content to sit on their duff and do nothing , then there would be need to question their salvation. A believer will Want to work in the church -- aid in the ministry of the church. There will be spiritual gifts given by the Holy Spirit upon their salvation.

But First there is the shed blood of Jesus Christ that is sufficient for our salvation.

 

[Sue D.]

It's where a person Places their faith that matters.

 

[Sue D.]

Look at Romans 5:8-9. "...having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him."

The Hebrew 11 the by faith chapter.vs 2 and vs 7 and 12:2

Good night all see ya in the morning.

 

[Daniel L.]

His blood

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

-His Blood is Spirit, and Life. His Life is the Gospel, which is the Gospel of the Life of Jesus, from birth to when He was taken up from us, including the "memorial of her". And this Life that you must drink, tells us to keep His commandments to be saved, not be saved to keep His commandments, as we have shown you multiple times, the Witness of the Word Himself tells us to keep His commandments to be saved, It is the Word you are rejecting, with the witness of man, but remember, the witness of God is greater:

Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

-Do the Law, and thou shalt (future) live. First you repent and keep the commandments, then you live.

 

[Sue D.]

Hav a pleasant day.

 

[B-A-C]

It's where a person Places their faith that matters.

I actually agree with this. But where is people's faith?
Does faith in Jesus simply mean I believe there was a man named Jesus? Even the demons believe in that.
Or does faith in Jesus mean believing in what He said, what He did, obeying Him, and doing the things He did.

If you say you believe in someone, but don't agree with anything they said, You don't do any of the things
they said to do.... are you really believing in them?

Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Why wasn't the "finished work of Jesus's blood on the cross" enough to save these people?

Matt 25:11 "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
Matt 25:12 "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'
Why wasn't "the finished" work of Jesus enough to save these people?

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
Why wasn't their faith in Jesus enough to save these people?

Does believing in Jesus mean, most of what He said doesn't apply to you?
Luke 13:3; "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Matt 7:24; "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Matt 7:25; "And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
Matt 7:26; "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
Matt 7:27; "The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall."

Heb 4:2; For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.
Heb 4:3; For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:6; Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,
Why wasn't His works which were finished from the foundation of the world, enough to save these people?

All they had to do was believe, right?

 

[Sue D.]

All I know to share is my own salvation experience. I've been on Bible my entire life. The Holy Spirit convicted me of my need for salvation for a while before I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior. I had a lot of knowledge about God's Word. But it had to get into my heart. And maybe that's what some people have trouble understand ing. They mistaken knowledge with heart acceptance. I placed my faith in the fact that the shed blood of Jesus Christ is enough to take care of my sal action. There's the passage that says 'not of works lest sny man should boast'. The Holy Spirit came into my heart. I all of a sudden had inner peace. It was wonderful. A perfect life since then. No. We all still have the human nature to work with. And we have the Holy Spirit to help us.

It's lunch time around here so I need to check out for a while

 

[B-A-C]

All I know to share is my own salvation experience. I've been on Bible my entire life.

And yet the Bible has a dozen verses of works required, but you only focus on Eph 2:8-9. That seems to discount your claim of being Bible based.
I find it somewhat ironic, that people who say Charismatic Pentecostals base too much of their faith on feelings and emotions... claim their salvation
was something they had to "get into their heart" to get "inner peace" in their "experience". Which sounds like it was based on feelings and emotions.

 

[Sue D.]

I do have assurance of my salvation..

Do hope to meet all of y'all in heaven in the future.

 

[Daniel L.]

I do have assurance of my salvation..

That means you keep His commandments.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[Sue D.]

Are you suggesting that you do not commit any sin at all?

 

[Daniel L.]

Are you suggesting that you do not commit any sin at all?

You were the one that claimed salvation. And it's not "me suggesting", haven't you read it? -It's the witness of John the Apostle, in the Scriptures. All I did was quote Him.

 

[Sue D.]

Okay so you're saying you're not a born-again believer? That you haven't accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior?

 

[Daniel L.]

Okay so you're saying you're not a born-again believer? That you haven't accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior?

I never said nothing about myself, I quoted John. And if I were to testify of myself, my testimony is not true. Anyways all I wanted you to know, is that you must keep His commandments in order to be saved, because He will not justify the wicked, and that I can say, since I already provided more than enough witnesses to established the matter.

 

[Sue D.]

You might want to look at Isaiah 64:6 " but we are all like an unclean thing, and our righteousness are like filthy rags. We all fade as a leaf, and our iniquities ,like the wind, have take us away.."

And look at James 2:10. "for whoever shall keep the whole law , and yet stumbles in one point , he is guilty of all.".

2nd Peter 3:9. The lord is not slack concerning His promise aa some count slack ess but is long-suffering towards us , not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. ". Your problem is seeing 'repentance' as a work done by a person. Which it is not. That makes you sound like a Calvinist. It Does mean having a change in heart. The hearts desire to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior.

 

[Daniel L.]

Isaiah 64:6 " but we are all like an unclean thing, and our righteousness are like filthy rags. We all fade as a leaf, and our iniquities ,like the wind, have take us away.."

Yes, we are. That is why He calls us to repentance, to cleanse us from all unrighteousness, and gives to His saints robes of righteousness.

Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

-You need to cover your nakedness with a wedding garment. If you show up at the wedding without a wedding garment..

Matthew 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

-So, it doesn't mean you have to wear filthy rags forever, you can repent, confess, He cleanses us from all unrighteousness, and gives us the garment of salvation. Because Isaiah also said.

Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Your problem is seeing 'repentance' as a work done by a person.

You who say this do not know what is free-will, and how it is possible to be really good; that he who is good by his own choice is really good; but he who is made good by another under necessity is not really good, because he is not what he is by his own choice.

- So, it is not "my problem", it is the witness of God you disagree with. The witness of God is greater.

Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

 

[Sue D.]

You seem to be missing the point regarding good works on our part for our salvation. The Isaiah passage is saying that to God , that which We see as good works for salvation, are to Him like filthy dirty rags.

 

[B-A-C]

You seem to be missing the point regarding good works on our part for our salvation. The Isaiah passage is saying that to God , that which We see as good works for salvation, are to Him like filthy dirty rags.

That was of course, the old testament. Written about about people who weren't worshipping God.
What did Jesus say in the New testament?

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Even that passage in Isaiah says...

Isa 64:5; You meet him who rejoices in doing righteousness, Who remembers You in Your ways. Behold, You were angry, for we sinned, We continued in them a long time; And shall we be saved?
Isa 64:6; For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
Isa 64:7; There is no one who calls on Your name, Who arouses himself to take hold of You; For You have hidden Your face from us And have delivered us into the power of our iniquities.

 

[Sue D.]

The Old Testament -- Isaiah also predicted the birth of Jesus Christ which did take place in book of Matthew. And since our righteousness was seen as dirty rags back then -- don't see people as getting any better. If anything , we're getting worse.