Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[Daniel L.]

Man has a soul that goes either to heaven or hell. That does not pertain to the animal world.

You knoweth ?

Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

 

[Sue D.]

@Daniel L. -- there are no examples in God's Word of an animal being led to the Lord. There is plenty indicating people leading other people to Jesus Christ


Sounds like you're choosing to be a vegetarian. If so, make sure you have an adequate amount of protein in your diet.

You are trying to use scripture to to validate your choice to be a vegetarian.

By the way-- God was Not tempting Peter to eat the meat
That He was providing. He was telling him it was okay to eat the meat.

Satan was the one who tempted Jesus Christ. And he was told to leave Him.

Murder is purposely killing one of our own kind. Another human being. Animals were created differently than mankind. In fact. Adam was given the job of naming the animals...

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I know that is what the dictionary says, but what about what the Bible says? The Bible says they are equal:
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]
And that is because both are Brothers of the Same Father, who have the Same Breath of Life, which they both receive from the same Father. So, no matter which one you kill, you kill the Breath of the Father in them.

-Your childreen also serve thee, and you can't kill them based on that neither.

-Are you a "moving thing that liveth" ?

You are building an entire belief system on one verse,,,that verse is a part of where God is talking about the type of people He favors....That being so, you took the verse way out of context. God is not saying that an animal is equal to man...not even the angels are equal to Gods man

 

[Waggles]

God cannot tempt
Thou shalt not kill
so, God cannot tempt Peter to kill.

You know we get a lot of strange philosophies and doctrines here on TalkJesus, and yours is yet another example.
Christians have every right to have meat in their diet.
And there is no scripture in the NT - Acts to Jude - that prohibits the eating of meats, fish and poultry, etc.

Colossians 2:20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations -
21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch”
22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used) - according to human precepts and teachings?
23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.

 

[Waggles]

If you convert to Judaism you will be killing a lot of animals, but we are Christians and don't practice abominations, so I reject those so called "Jewish" quotes,

Hypocrite thou are !!
So why are you quoting a Jewish prophet from the OT writing to Jews ??
And why are you citing verses in part and not in the context of the whole meaning. You are handling the word of God deceitfully.

Isaiah 66:1 Thus says the LORD: “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; what is the house that you would build for me, and what is the place of my rest?
2 All these things my hand has made, and so all these things came to be, declares the LORD. But this is the one to whom I will look: he who is humble and contrite in spirit and trembles at my word.
3 “He who slaughters an ox is like one who kills a man; he who sacrifices a lamb, like one who breaks a dog's neck; he who presents a grain offering, like one who offers pig's blood; he who makes a memorial offering of frankincense,
like one who blesses an idol. These have chosen their own ways, and their soul delights in their abominations;
4 I also will choose harsh treatment for them and bring their fears upon them, because when I called, no one answered, when I spoke, they did not listen; but they did what was evil in my eyes and chose that in which I did not delight.”

" God admonishes them, that "the Most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands;" and that a mere external worship, however diligently soever attended, when accompanied with wicked and idolatrous practices in the worshippers, would never be accepted by Him. - Jerome H. Smith

Proverbs 21:27 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination; how much more when he brings it with evil intent.

 

[B-A-C]

Jesus Himself ate a fish. Was the fish alive? It definitely wasn't after He ate it.

Luke 24:42; They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish;
Luke 24:43; and He took it and ate it before them.

One of the things that changed under the new covenant.

Acts 10:11; and he *saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground,
Acts 10:12; and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air.
Acts 10:13; A voice came to him, "Get up, Peter, kill and eat!"
Acts 10:14; But Peter said, "By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean."
Acts 10:15; Again a voice came to him a second time, "What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy."

Deut 14:6; "Any animal that divides the hoof and has the hoof split in two and chews the cud, among the animals, that you may eat.

Gen 4:3; So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the LORD of the fruit of the ground.
Gen 4:4; Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering;
Gen 4:5; but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell.

 

[Daniel L.]

He was telling him it was okay to eat the meat.

Can murder be legalized in the eyes of God?

Adam was given the job of naming the animals...

Yes, not kill them.

You are building an entire belief system on one verse

No, It is based on we being brothers with the animals, because we have the same Father as the animals. And "all have one Breath", which they both received from the same Father. That is why killing and animal is like killing a man, because they have the same Breath. This cannot be disproven. But you reject that verse, what about these:

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

Isaiah 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.

Hosea 8:12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.
13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.

-Killing is most unlawful, the Lord hates hands that shed innocent blood.

God is not saying that an animal is equal to man.

Not exactly equal, humans have more value, but it doesn't mean animals have no value at all. We are brothers. You can't kill based on: "he is less than me".

Christians have every right to have meat in their diet.

Christians are commanded to love thy brother as thyself:

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Animals are our brothers of the same Father, so you either love them or you transgress the Law. That is if you have the same Father as them, if not you are of that "other father", you know who.

Hypocrite thou are !!
So why are you quoting a Jewish prophet from the OT writing to Jews ??

I quoted Jewish prophets, not "so called" jews. You quoted jews who say they are jews and are not.

You are handling the word of God deceitfully.

-God hates hands that shed innocent blood, that is it. Anyone that sheds innocent blood is abominable, because it is a work of iniquity:

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

-He is against all blood sacrifices, there is no such thing as a righteous that sheds innocent blood:

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

-Because blood sacrifices are "of fools" and "evil" in and of themselves:

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

 

[Daniel L.]

Jesus Himself ate a fish.

Jesus cannot sin
Killing is sin
so, Jesus cannot kill

Get up, Peter, kill and eat!

God cannot tempt any man
God said Thou shalt not kill
so, God cannot tempt Peter to kill

And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering;

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-One has to give, either you believe God delights in the blood, or not. Because you can't have both, you cannot serve two Masters. Choose whom will ye serve.

 

[Sue D.]

@Daniel L. -- God did create all living beings. But He also created the animal world separate from the world of People.

Are you by chance a theistic evolutionist? Because evolution says that man came from chimps. The ape world. Due to the missing links that don't exist.
Thst which I'm observing is that you're taking a verse out of it's intended usage and discrediting everything else that scripture states that did take place.

You're using God's Word against itself. Don't know why a person would do that.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Jesus cannot sin
Killing is sin
so, Jesus cannot kill

God cannot tempt any man
God said Thou shalt not kill
so, God cannot tempt Peter to kill

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-One has to give, either you believe God delights in the blood, or not. Because you can't have both, you cannot serve two Masters. Choose whom will ye serve.

So you're saying that Jesus ate the fish alive? Jesus ate lamb at Passover...alive? Your reasoning is badly scewed....Really Daniel...If you want to be vegan its ok with me...But vegan is no more Godly than a paleo diet

 

[Daniel L.]

God did create all living beings. But He also created the animal world separate from the world of People.

There is only one world, the Earth that God made. We all live in this same world, with the animals. And we both were made by the same Hand, using the same dust of the earth. We all came from dust, and to dust we all return. So, it is the same "world", we share the world, and we share the dust in common with the animals, and most importantly, we share the same Father, which makes us brothers with the animals because we have the same Father as them. I know we have more value than the animals, but that doesn't mean they are disqualified from the family, just because they are less than humans, no.

So you're saying that Jesus ate the fish alive? Jesus ate lamb at Passover...alive?

No, if he had eated it alive, it would still be killed by Him, and Jesus cannot sin, He cannot kill: "Thou shalt not kill".

-As for the passover lamb:

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Hosea 8:13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.

Jesus does the will of the Father
Father desires mercy and not sacrifice
so, Jesus will have mercy and not sacrifice

He, didn't killed, nor sacrificed a lamb, because He does the Will of the Father. You have to decide if you believe Jesus sacrificed a lamb, or if He did the Will of the Father, because you can't have both, you can't serve two masters.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

There is only one world, the Earth that God made. We all live in this same world, with the animals. And we both were made by the same Hand, using the same dust of the earth. We all came from dust, and to dust we all return. So, it is the same "world", we share the world, and we share the dust in common with the animals, and most importantly, we share the same Father, which makes us brothers with the animals because we have the same Father as them. I know we have more value than the animals, but that doesn't mean they are disqualified from the family, just because they are less than humans, no.

No, if he had eated it alive, it would still be killed by Him, and Jesus cannot sin, He cannot kill: "Thou shalt not kill".

-As for the passover lamb:

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Hosea 8:13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.

Jesus does the will of the Father
Father desires mercy and not sacrifice
so, Jesus will have mercy and not sacrifice

He, didn't killed, nor sacrificed a lamb, because He does the Will of the Father. You have to decide if you believe Jesus sacrificed a lamb, or if He did the Will of the Father, because you can't have both, you can't serve two masters.

How did He eat an animal or fish that He did not kill, or someone else killed for Him? This discussion is foolishness

 

[Waggles]

I suppose next it will be a sin to eat carrots.
Afterall vegetables have life. Who are we to deprive fruits and vegetables from remaining alive?
Is it safe to drink water?

 

[Daniel L.]

How did He eat an animal or fish that He did not kill

Are you sure He did?

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

Afterall vegetables have life. Who are we to deprive fruits and vegetables from remaining alive?

Vegetables don't bleed. The Lord hates hands that shed innocent blood. There is no bloodshed in eating vegetables. There is no loss of Breath, life nor soul in eating vegetables, and those who do live by the life of the plants. But as for eating dead corpses, there is bloodshed, and loss of Breath, life and soul and those who do live by the death of their brothers.

 

[brighthouse98]

(Gen 1:28) Now personally if I hunt and kill, I eat what I kill! Animals were not meant for show to men they are there for a reason, to feed us! Now I know many believers who would think it sin to do this, that is fine don't do it then. But lay no guilt on me either. Our teeth were meant to cut meat, not vegetables, those who choose to just eat veggies are just weak in the faith just as the Bible says. (Romans 14:1-5) I sure do not judge those who choose to only eat veggies, so do not judge me because I eat meat.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Are you sure He did?

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

Vegetables don't bleed. The Lord hates hands that shed innocent blood. There is no bloodshed in eating vegetables. There is no loss of Breath, life nor soul in eating vegetables, and those who do live by the life of the plants. But as for eating dead corpses, there is bloodshed, and loss of Breath, life and soul and those who do live by the death of their brothers.

Daniel....Don't eat meat!! Obviously, for you its a sin....But don't put that on others.

 

[Daniel L.]

if I hunt and kill, I eat what I kill!

One day the hunter will be hunted, the killer will be killed, and the eater will be eaten, for reason of His Perfect Justice:

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Isaiah 33:1 Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee.

those who choose to just eat veggies are just weak in the faith

Adam only ate vegetables and fruits, and Adam's teeth were made for eating vegetables and fruits, not meat. Adam was not "weak in the faith".

so do not judge me because I eat meat.

I'm not judging you, you judged yourself when you say you eat flesh, the Law won't change, we have to love our brothers:

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Daniel....Don't eat meat!! Obviously, for you its a sin....But don't put that on others.

The Law is equal for everyone, if it is a sin for me, is a sin for others aswell and I have to warn others, so they turn from their wickedness:

Ezekiel 33:9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

One day the hunter will be hunted, the killer will be killed, and the eater will be eaten, for reason of His Perfect Justice:

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Isaiah 33:1 Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee.

Adam only ate vegetables and fruits, and Adam's teeth were made for eating vegetables and fruits, not meat. Adam was not "weak in the faith".

I'm not judging you, you judged yourself when you say you eat flesh, the Law won't change, we have to love our brothers:

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

The Law is equal for everyone, if it is a sin for me, is a sin for others aswell and I have to warn others, so they turn from their wickedness:

Ezekiel 33:9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel...You've decided that its a sin to kill and eat meat....God did not say that..YOU DID....so...Don't eat meat but do no put that on others

 

[Daniel L.]

Daniel...You've decided that its a sin to kill and eat meat....God did not say that..YOU DID

No, I am only connecting what God said, He did say: "Thou shalt not kill". He did say He created both man and animals, which means He is the Father of both. He did say both humans and animals "all have one Breath". So, killing animals is still killing a Breath of Life. And He did say not to kill your brothers:

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

He also hates hands that shed innocent blood. This is all written in His Word.

do no put that on others

The Law is equal for everyone, I wasn't me that put it on others.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

No, I am only connecting what God said, He did say: "Thou shalt not kill". He did say He created both man and animals, which means He is the Father of both. He did say both humans and animals "all have one Breath". So, killing animals is still killing a Breath of Life. And He did say not to kill your brothers:

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

He also hates hands that shed innocent blood. This is all written in His Word.

The Law is equal for everyone, I wasn't me that put it on others.

You are taking things that God says and twisting them and presenting them as true....Taken out of context and misapplied turning the truth of God into a lie.. You have a lot to learn. Now I'm done talking to you