Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[Daniel L.]

First, let's look at the similarities between man and animal:
-They all have one Breath, which is the Breath of Life they have received from the Father:

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

-Both animals and humans have the same Breath of Life, which is their "living soul", and they both received it from the same Father:

Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

-So, the same Father created both humans and animals, out of the same dust, which makes them brothers, seeing they have the same Father. And because they are brothers, killing an ox is just like killing a man:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

-And killing a man, is most unlawful: "Thou shalt not kill". But this "kill", not only prohibits the killing of humans, but also the killing of animals, because they are all "living souls" with the Breath of the Father, so killing animals, is still a "kill", a loss of breath, life and soul, the same way killing a man is a loss of breath, life and soul. They are Brothers of the same Father :

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

 

[PAH]

My prayer before meals is to ask God to bless the meal. My heart intent is to thank the life (vegetable and/or meat) for giving up its life for a higher cause; just as Jesus Christ was the Lamb for us, by His Fathers blessing. My prayer of awareness and thanks, via God, of the life spirit which gave up its vessel for nourishing my vessel.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

First, let's look at the similarities between man and animal:
-They all have one Breath, which is the Breath of Life they have received from the Father:

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thin:g befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

-Both animals and humans have the same Breath of Life, which is their "living soul", and they both received it from the same Father:

Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

-So, the same Father created both humans and animals, out of the same dust, which makes them brothers, seeing they have the same Father. And because they are brothers, killing an ox is just like killing a man:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

-And killing a man, is most unlawful: "Thou shalt not kill". But this "kill", not only prohibits the killing of humans, but also the killing of animals, because they are all "living souls" with the Breath of the Father, so killing animals, is still a "kill", a loss of breath, life and soul, the same way killing a man is a loss of breath, life and soul. They are Brothers of the same Father :

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

A thoughtful question. God gave us animals for food. Genesis 9:3 Would Gpd do that if it was wrong? You referred to Isaiah 66:3 as and example of maybe it is wrong, but read it in context and you will see that God was speaking of unworthy sacrifice...not feeding yourself and family.

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[Waggles]

Exodus 12:1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt,
2 “This month shall be for you the beginning of months. It shall be the first month of the year for you.
3 Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month every man shall take a lamb according to their fathers' houses, a lamb for a household.
4 And if the household is too small for a lamb, then he and his nearest neighbour shall take according to the number of persons; according to what each can eat you shall make your count for the lamb.
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats,
6 and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs at twilight.
7 “Then they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat it.
8 They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted on the fire; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Do not eat any of it raw or boiled in water, but roasted, its head with its legs and its inner parts.
10 And you shall let none of it remain until the morning; anything that remains until the morning you shall burn.

 

[Waggles]

Exodus 29:38 “Now this is what you shall offer on the altar: two lambs a year old day by day regularly.
39 One lamb you shall offer in the morning, and the other lamb you shall offer at twilight.
40 And with the first lamb a tenth measure of fine flour mingled with a fourth of a hin of beaten oil, and a fourth of a hin of wine for a drink offering.
41 The other lamb you shall offer at twilight, and shall offer with it a grain offering and its drink offering, as in the morning, for a pleasing aroma, a food offering to the LORD.
42 It shall be a regular burnt offering throughout your generations at the entrance of the tent of meeting before the LORD, where I will meet with you, to speak to you there.

 

[Waggles]

1Kings 4:22 Solomon's provision for one day was thirty cors of fine flour and sixty cors of meal,
23 ten fat oxen, and twenty pasture-fed cattle, a hundred sheep, besides deer, gazelles, roebucks, and fattened fowl.

 

[Daniel L.]

God gave us animals for food. Genesis 9:3 Would Gpd do that if it was wrong?

Can God change? Can He change His Law? Can murder be legalized?

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

So because murder is wrong, and God cannot do what is wrong, then God cannot legalize murder. Because we were made in His image.

Isaiah 66:3 as and example of maybe it is wrong, but read it in context and you will see that God was speaking of unworthy sacrifice..

No, there is no difference. Worthy, unworthy, both are an abomination to the Lord:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-He is against ALL blood sacrifices, and ALL murder, of any kind shape or form:

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

1Kings 4:22 Solomon's provision for one day was thirty cors of fine flour and sixty cors of meal,
23 ten fat oxen, and twenty pasture-fed cattle, a hundred sheep, besides deer, gazelles, roebucks, and fattened fowl.

Jeremiah 8:8 How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.

Hosea 8:12 I have written for him the great things of My law, But they were considered a strange thing.
13 For the sacrifices of My offerings they sacrifice flesh and eat it, But the Lord does not accept them. Now He will remember their iniquity and punish their sins. They shall return to Egypt.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Can God change? Can He change His Law? Can murder be legalized?

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

So because murder is wrong, and God cannot do what is wrong, then God cannot legalize murder. Because we were made in His image.

No, there is no difference. Worthy, unworthy, both are an abomination to the Lord:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-He is against ALL blood sacrifices, and ALL murder, of any kind shape or form:

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Jeremiah 8:8 How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.

Hosea 8:12 I have written for him the great things of My law, But they were considered a strange thing.
13 For the sacrifices of My offerings they sacrifice flesh and eat it, But the Lord does not accept them. Now He will remember their iniquity and punish their sins. They shall return to Egypt.

Hebrews 13:8
8 Jesus Christ (God) the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
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Psalm 15:4
4 In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the Lord. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.​

God does not change His mind​

 

[Daniel L.]

Jesus Christ (God) the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Yes, this means His Law did not change. So, if He gave Adam fruits and herbs for food, then that will not change. Murder won't be legalized, ever.

 

[Waggles]

Exodus 12:1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt,
2 “This month shall be for you the beginning of months. It shall be the first month of the year for you.
3 Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month every man shall take a lamb according to their fathers' houses, a lamb for a household.
4 And if the household is too small for a lamb, then he and his nearest neighbour shall take according to the number of persons; according to what each can eat you shall make your count for the lamb.
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats,
6 and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs at twilight.
7 “Then they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat it.
8 They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted on the fire; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Do not eat any of it raw or boiled in water, but roasted, its head with its legs and its inner parts.
10 And you shall let none of it remain until the morning; anything that remains until the morning you shall burn.

Yes it is lawful to kill animals and to eat of them.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Yes, this means His Law did not change. So, if He gave Adam fruits and herbs for food, then that will not change. Murder won't be legalized, ever.

No Murder will never be legalized...But killing animals for food is.

 

[Daniel L.]

Yes it is lawful to kill animals and to eat of them.

Hosea 8:12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.

13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.

-You have to choose whom will ye serve.

But killing animals for food is

Killing animals is still murder, for food or not:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

Killing animals is still a "kill", a loss of breath, life and soul, the same way killing a man is a loss of breath, life and soul. They are Brothers of the same Father :

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Hosea 8:12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.

13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.

-You have to choose whom will ye serve.

Killing animals is still murder, for food or not:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

Killing animals is still a "kill", a loss of breath, life and soul, the same way killing a man is a loss of breath, life and soul. They are Brothers of the same Father :

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Not so.. Killing an animal is not murder: murder is something that takes place between at least two humans.

Animals are on earth to serve man. There are a few restrictions: one is not to eat the blood of animals; one is not to eat an animal which has been strangled.

“Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.”
–Genesis 9:3

But in a land that scorns God’s Word, all sorts of superstitions will prevail.

 

[Daniel L.]

murder is something that takes place between at least two humans.

I know that is what the dictionary says, but what about what the Bible says? The Bible says they are equal:
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]
And that is because both are Brothers of the Same Father, who have the Same Breath of Life, which they both receive from the same Father. So, no matter which one you kill, you kill the Breath of the Father in them.

Animals are on earth to serve man.

-Your childreen also serve thee, and you can't kill them based on that neither.

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you

-Are you a "moving thing that liveth" ?

 

[Waggles]

Acts 10:9 Now on the morrow, as they were on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour:
10 and he became hungry, and desired to taste food: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance;
11 and he beholdeth the heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending, as if a great sheet, let down by four corners upon the earth:
12 wherein were all the fourfooted beasts and creeping things of the earth and birds of the heaven.
13 And a voice came unto him, Rise, Peter; kill and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten aught common and unclean.
15 And a voice came unto him again the second time, What things God hath cleansed, make not THOU common.
16 And this was done thrice: and straightway the vessel was received up into heaven.

 

[Waggles]

The Fundamental Rules of Kashrut
1: Certain animals may not be eaten at all. This restriction includes the flesh, organs, eggs and milk of the forbidden animals.
2: Of the animals that may be eaten, the birds and mammals must be killed in accordance with Jewish law.
3: All blood must be drained from the meat or broiled out of it before it is eaten.
4:Certain parts of permitted animals may not be eaten.
5: Meat (the flesh of birds and mammals) cannot be eaten with dairy. Fish, eggs, fruits, vegetables and grains can be eaten with either meat or dairy. (According to some views, fish may not be eaten with meat).

Leveticus 11:1 And the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them,
11:2 “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth.
11:9 “These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat.
Lev 11:13 “And these you shall detest among the birds; they shall not be eaten; they are detestable: the eagle, the bearded vulture, the black vulture,

see also Deuteronomy 14:1-21

 

[Waggles]

John 21:3 Simon Peter saith to them, I go a fishing. They say to him, We also come with thee. They went forth, and entered into the boat; and that night they caught nothing.
4 But when day was now breaking, Jesus stood on the beach: the disciples however knew not that it was Jesus.
5 Jesus therefore saith to them, Little children, have ye aught to eat? They answered him, No.
6 And he said to them, Cast the net on the right side of the boat, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for multitude of fishes.
7 That disciple therefore whom Jesus loved saith to Peter, It is the Lord. Simon Peter therefore on hearing that it was the Lord, girt his coat about him (for he was naked), and threw himself into the sea.
8 But the other disciples came in the little boat (for they were not far from the land, but about two hundred cubits off), dragging the net of fishes.
9 As therefore they got out upon the land, they see a charcoal fire laid, and a little fish laid thereon, and bread.
10 Jesus saith to them, Bring of the little fish which ye have now caught.
11 Simon Peter therefore went up, and drew the net to land, full of great fishes, a hundred and fifty-three: and for all there were so many, the net was not rent.
12 Jesus saith to them, Come break your fast. None of the disciples durst inquire of him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.
13 Jesus cometh, and taketh the bread, and giveth them, and the little fish likewise.
14 This is now the third time Jesus was manifested to the disciples, after he was risen from the dead.

 

[Sue D.]

In the beginning God created the animal world and the he created man. Adam first and then Eve. And an animal can't communicate in a verbal way in order to be saved. Man has a soul that goes either to heaven or hell. That does not pertain to the animal world.

 

[Waggles]

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Sorry but animals are not my brother nor sister.
Your family may have primates in your ancestry, but my family and I are children of God made in His image [spiritual awareness of good and evil]

Genesis 3:21 And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.
22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever —”

 

[Daniel L.]

Rise, Peter; kill and eat.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

God cannot tempt
Thou shalt not kill
so, God cannot tempt Peter to kill.

Kashrut

If you convert to Judaism you will be killing a lot of animals, but we are Christians and don't practice abominations, so I reject those so called "Jewish" quotes, the same way they reject Messiah their King.

Jesus

Jesus cannot sin
Thou shalt not kill
So, Jesus cannot kill.

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

Sorry but animals are not my brother nor sister.

-It's ok, you have a "different father" have you? Because the same Father that made man, made the animals also, that is why we are brothers, we have the same Father as them. But if you say animals are not your brothers, then you must have a "different father", because the only way you are "allowed" to kill and destroy your brothers, is if you have a "different father" which makes the animals not your brothers. So, whom do you serve, the Father of man and the animals, or what?