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Is it faith alone??

"Once saved, always saved," is a fool's anthem who understands not the covenant to which he is enjoined, nor the price at which it came. We are called to "walk worthy" of our calling in Christ, yet the fool uses the impossibility of perfection in walking worthy of God as the excuse to do nothing in service to Him. Yet if you claim victory in Jesus Christ, and trust in His blood to forgive you all trespasses, ought you not to run more eagerly toward His example, trusting equally in the Holy Spirit of God and His ability to finish that full work of salvation He authored in you through Jesus Christ ("being fully persuaded that what He had promised He was able also to perform"). If this is not the overwhelming desire of your heart, there is something greatly lacking in your acceptance of the love that we bear of God through the sacrificial example of Christ.

Be not "fallen from grace," by failing to impart the love we bear through Him. "Abide in my love" is the call to His saints, for "by this shall all know that you are my disciples, if you have love one toward another." "Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord" as a "little child" and commit no more offences one to another. "Rather take wrong" done against you and "overcome evil with good" that you may "as much as lies in you, live peaceably with all men." Preach that all men should "forgive men their trespasses" against them, "as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you," or else "let not that man think that he shall receive anything of the Lord." Take no part in the "falling away," with those who "depart from the faith" of the gospel but fulfill your vow unto God by the power of His Word and Spirit; "for it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them." For if you will only live as a hypocrite while professing Christ, see that you have become the "whited sepulchers" sporting "the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees" who brought against Christ false accusations and who "shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." I pray for your "patience and faith" toward the love of God; that once you put your "hand to the plow" you may "endure to the end" that you may partake of the fullness of the grace of God which "passes all understanding."

All these are examples of "the great transgression" and "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit," the "sin unto death;" which is apostasy against Christ and God's salvation through Him. To repent of the truth, and willingly accept the lie: to have been granted the manifestations of the Holy Spirit in your life, proving the authenticity of God's Word, and to walk contrary to Christ; repenting of the good and exalting the evil, is to fall from grace and to have abandoned all possibility of reconcile ("If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. He that hates me hates my Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But this comes to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. But when the comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me: And you also shall bear witness, because you have been with me from the beginning." ).

Cleave therefore unto your Husband, latch onto that which is good, cast off that which does not praise God that you "grieve not the Holy Spirit," for "he which knows to do good and does it not, to him it is sin." Paul, ashamed of his persecutions of the church, thought himself unworthy to be called an apostle, said that because he sinned in ignorance of the truth of God in Christ, he was forgiven by God's all sufficient grace. He also added that necessity was laid upon him to minister the gospel and declare the truth of Jesus Christ by whom he was saved and ordained, and that to fall away after tasting of the ages to come and partake in the Holy Spirit was to crucify the Son of God afresh, for which there is no redemption; these are the eternally "accursed" and damned. For if coming toward the cross of Christ is to know that "the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world," than to willingly depart from the faith is to be dead unto the LORD, and the LORD dead unto you.

"For which is greater, he that sits at meat, or he that serves? Is it not he that sits at meat? But I am among you as he that serves." If God in His righteousness, who contradicts not Himself, says "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you," look to your Savior as an example for those things that please God. For the Father spoke audibly saying, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased;" you then, who make you boast of salvation and call yourself a son of God, do then the works of your Father in the might of His Spirit and integrity of His Word as I have witnessed a Son of God do! For many love to recite John 3:16 ("For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life"), yet how often have you heard 1 John 3:16 ("Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.")? Beware, it is Satan's perversion of ministry that reminds you of the blessings and gifts but ignores the commandments and obligations; as if it were not spoken by the same Word.

You who are stubborn in your denial of the obligations in the gospel of grace according to the example of Jesus Christ; know that God under no obligation did lay down His life for you as a means to make manifest His undying love toward you. Are you then to receive the everlasting life of God and give nothing unto God and deny the manifestation of His love and Spirit within you arguing that the gospel is the "free gift" of salvation. Even if you are truly blind to your commission, your commandment, your example, the yearnings of the Spirit of God within you to so manifest the love of God; then be condemned in that the likeness of God is that no obligation should have been necessary. God, under no obligation whatsoever, apart from your works of sin, as undeserving as you were, granted you grace by which you are called a son to God; this being the works of God, creates a precedent of grace according to His likeness and heritage that all His sons ought to follow in the righteousness of their Father (therefore our service in love toward Him cannot even be called grace, because since "He first loved us," it is offered by necessity and obligation to He who is worthy). For He that said, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham," said also, "As you have judged so shall you be judged." Therefore if the judgment of God be so, concerning the sons of Abraham, what does He reveal of the judgment of His own children?

For we are the true Israel, born of heavenly Jerusalem, sons of Abraham and heirs of the blessing, and begotten of the Father through the Word of God, who reign in Christ being enjoined unto Him in matrimony. None is saved by genealogy, but by embracing the heritage of the Father following after His Likeness and transformed unto His glorious Image through the workings of His Holy Spirit. Not as priests of the law, but ministers of grace; partakers of that perpetual sacrifice as a royal priesthood under a blessed High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. Missionaries sent into this world to minister the truth of God to those that seek citizenship into an enduring country; who pledge faith unto a truly majestic Governor and King, who reigns in righteousness and truth forever and ever.

Therefore we are commanded to walk in this world but not of it, to be not conformed unto the ways of this world, which perishes, but "transformed by the renewing" of our minds in Him; to lay down our lives as living sacrifices as is our "reasonable service" for He who first laid down His life for us. Therefore as He is faithful unto the Father, let us be equally faithful unto His anointed High Priest; being anointed in His pure and undefiled blood of a sacrifice without blemish. For the righteousness by which we are enjoined unto God is not by our works, but by the works of God through Christ Jesus; sanctifying us and cleansing us by the washing of His Word that the spirit and righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who cleave unto the Father through the reverencing and exaltation of His Word as the sovereign and supreme authority of all heaven and earth. For who can say they honor God but deny His Word which "proceeded forth" and came from Him? And who can honor Christ but those that honor His commandments and example? Such are the elect of God, who have chosen God in Christ, foreknown in the LORD before the world was.
 
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"Once saved, always saved," is a fool's anthem who understands not the covenant to which he is enjoined, nor the price at which it came.

That seems little harsh, no matter your opinion you should be willing to speak the truth in love. As I have recently been convicted of the same thing I believe it is a "say ouch or say amen" moment form many of us.
 
I kind of like the "amen or ouch" approach. I don't mean to call people names (" But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."). The foolishness I refer to is regurgitating information without looking it up, or reverencing a few verses of the bible to neutralize entire books and volumes of scripture.</SPAN>
 
jiggyfly: So then do you believe in a works based salvation?

Yes, jiggy, I believe that a Christian is expected to maintain their salvation through Jesus Christ.

I would like to ask you to explain the way that you view one of the verses that you posted above, jiggy, if that is okay? I am not interested in debating/arguing etc .... I am just genuinely interested in the way that people view scripture and their approach at interpreting it. For years I have been puzzled by the way that people get so many different things from the Bible when the verses seem to plainly say certain things to me and someone else obviously interprets them in a different way ( or totally disregards them altogether, I don't know ) that is not just a little different from the way that I interpret them but exactly opposite of the way that I interpret them.

Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Do you not see this as being a condition to the previous verses, jiggy? And if you do see it as a condition, do you not see that YOU are the one responsible for "continuing in the faith grounded and settled, etc..."? The way that some people talk, IF I understand them correctly, they would explain this as being something that Jesus accomplished for them on the cross ( I guess? ), and maybe you see it this way too? Please explain this to me from your point of view. If Jesus somehow accomplished this for us on the cross, why mention it at all? Especially the way that it is worded? It says, "If ye continue etc ... " NOT "If you agree or let or believe that Jesus Christ will continue this for you." To me, this seems to clearly be something that is expected of ME. So, I interpret it this way. There are a plethora of other verses just like this one that I interpret in the exact same way. Do you understand what I am saying and why? I am in no way asking you to agree with me, I'm just trying to understand the point of view of someone who apparently does not interpret scripture the same way that I do.

Peace be unto you.
 
He keeps us We DO NOT KEEP OURSELVES! He does it All that Why He gets all the glory ! Salvation is a Free Perfect eternal Gift ! Our Spirit is the one that is GOD temple HE never leaves or forsakes! God sees All mankind in the flesh as sinners! Our flesh is no better after Salvation ! Only our Spirit is perfect [without sin] and CANNOT SIN! The flesh mind and body can sin if we allow it ?

1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Our Flesh is Never perfected !it dies because of it sin nature ! We never die [our Spirit once born of GOD perfect Seed]

Our flesh returns to the dust of the earth .It part of this planet ! He has New bodies ,crowns ,robes and much more awaiting Us in new Jerusalem! The new body is like our LORD Jesus Body ! We see in daniel and Revelations How his eternal body looks !

We also see those who already went to New Jerusalem are given Robes to wear! Revealing they must already have there New bodies to wear robes ! We also see they are talking with Jesus and each other!

1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


Ecc_3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecc_12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


Dan_7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.


Rev_6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Rev_7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev_7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev_7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Also reveals we go right to New Jerusalem when we leave these bodies!
It also appears the great tribulation was still going on as these were talking !

Rom_7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:

He does not use old stuff to make new things! He never uses our flesh body again!

Listen when the catching away takes place many of our flesh bodies will still be here dead! We the Spirit within is what goes HOME too New JERUSALEM!

Heb_12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son,
Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Eph_2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

1Co_15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

It the spirit body He changes1 our flesh is the same old flesh ! It dies because of Sin!
Joh_11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Heb_13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Lovingly in our LORD JESUS!
 
Yes, jiggy, I believe that a Christian is expected to maintain their salvation through Jesus Christ.

I would like to ask you to explain the way that you view one of the verses that you posted above, jiggy, if that is okay? I am not interested in debating/arguing etc .... I am just genuinely interested in the way that people view scripture and their approach at interpreting it. For years I have been puzzled by the way that people get so many different things from the Bible when the verses seem to plainly say certain things to me and someone else obviously interprets them in a different way ( or totally disregards them altogether, I don't know ) that is not just a little different from the way that I interpret them but exactly opposite of the way that I interpret them.

Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Do you not see this as being a condition to the previous verses, jiggy? And if you do see it as a condition, do you not see that YOU are the one responsible for "continuing in the faith grounded and settled, etc..."? The way that some people talk, IF I understand them correctly, they would explain this as being something that Jesus accomplished for them on the cross ( I guess? ), and maybe you see it this way too? Please explain this to me from your point of view. If Jesus somehow accomplished this for us on the cross, why mention it at all? Especially the way that it is worded? It says, "If ye continue etc ... " NOT "If you agree or let or believe that Jesus Christ will continue this for you." To me, this seems to clearly be something that is expected of ME. So, I interpret it this way. There are a plethora of other verses just like this one that I interpret in the exact same way. Do you understand what I am saying and why? I am in no way asking you to agree with me, I'm just trying to understand the point of view of someone who apparently does not interpret scripture the same way that I do.

Peace be unto you.

So glad you asked Stickz, I am happy to express my understanding of this scripture.

To keep things within the context I'll post it again.
19 For God in all his fullness

was pleased to live in Christ,
20 and through him God reconciled

everything to himself.

He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth

by means of Christ’s blood on the cross.


21 This includes you who were once far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions.22 Yet now he has reconciled you to himself through the death of Christ in his physical body. As a result, he has brought you into his own presence, and you are holy and blameless as you stand before him without a single fault.
23 But you must continue to believe this truth and stand firmly in it. Don’t drift away from the assurance you received when you heard the Good News. The Good News has been preached all over the world, and I, Paul, have been appointed as God’s servant to proclaim it.
Col 1:19-23 (NLT)

or if your a KJV fan,

For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Col 1:19-23 (KJV)

In verse 23 I believe the faith that we are to continue in and the hope of the gospel that we are not to be moved away from is right there in the previous verses. Look at verse 21 and 22. How were we made right with God? Doesn't it say by Christ's death? We were God's enemies and not by any doing of our own but rather by Christ's death we are made holy and blameless before God.
So if one was found moving away from the hope of the gospel what would it look like? Paul mentions it many times and the next chapter of this same letter.

6 And now, just as you accepted Christ Jesus as your Lord, you must continue to follow him.7 Let your roots grow down into him, and let your lives be built on him. Then your faith will grow strong in the truth you were taught, and you will overflow with thankfulness.
8 Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.9 For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.
11 When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision—the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead.
13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins.14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross.15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.
16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.18 Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels, saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud,19 and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it.
20 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as,21 “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”?22 Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them.23 These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.
Col 2:6-23 (NLT)


So the one who has moved away from the hope of the gospel is the one who is trying to gain/maintain right standing with God by their own good works and no longer depending, trusting, and resting in Christ's work @ the cross, so deceived, thinking that by following the ordinances and commandments of the old covenant with Israel they will be pleasing to God. This I believe is also confirmed in other scriptures such as Paul's letter to Galatia.

1 Oh, foolish Galatians! Who has cast an evil spell on you? For the meaning of Jesus Christ’s death was made as clear to you as if you had seen a picture of his death on the cross.2 Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by obeying the law of Moses? Of course not! You received the Spirit because you believed the message you heard about Christ.3 How foolish can you be? After starting your Christian lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?4 Have you experienced so much for nothing? Surely it was not in vain, was it?
5 I ask you again, does God give you the Holy Spirit and work miracles among you because you obey the law? Of course not! It is because you believe the message you heard about Christ.
6 In the same way, “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.” 7 The real children of Abraham, then, are those who put their faith in God.
8 What’s more, the Scriptures looked forward to this time when God would declare the Gentiles to be righteous because of their faith. God proclaimed this good news to Abraham long ago when he said, “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So all who put their faith in Christ share the same blessing Abraham received because of his faith.
10 But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.” 11 So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.” 12 This way of faith is very different from the way of law, which says, “It is through obeying the law that a person has life.”
13 But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” 14 Through Christ Jesus, God has blessed the Gentiles with the same blessing he promised to Abraham, so that we who are believers might receive the promised Holy Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:1-14 (NLT)


I hope I have succeeded in conveying my understanding of Col. 1:23 to you clearly. What is your understanding of Col. 1:23?
 
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The Gospel was taken All over the world ! Everyone had a chance to accept it! Salvation is only too those accepted What Jesus did and Him in his rightful place as Lord! We see many have rejected it and are not going to Heaven[New Jerusalem]

Rom_10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Another thing ? The carnal thinker will never know much truth! We need the Holy Ghost to open our Eyes to the spiritual trues!

1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Many count on others books to ngive the correct understanding to the meaning of words! as if they were perfect whoever wrote these others books?! None are ! That why GOD gave Us [those born of GOD] a part of His very being to understand the cdorrect understanding! It even affends some! We refuse to count these commentaries or other books as perfect Truth! I have had lots of people feel i am wrong, not accepting some of these books as perfect truth! It comes down to no longer accepting the bible , but accepting these others books as perfect! Telling Us what each word means! Which there is no one alive to know what the Words met back 2000 or 4000 years ago?
i would guess ? Many might be correct? Who knows! But the point is , We get the writter of the book dwelling in us !I know He used people !But people who were obeying HIM ! The scriptures will ,only fit together perfectly One Way! When we find scriptures that disgree with other scriptures ? Then we have the wrong understanding! God made the bible this way too found the wise!

This is the way the HOLY GHOST TEACHES US!
1Co_2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Which Jesus was and is our Example !He was taught from a baby by the Holy ghost as We should be1 but it all by Faith !
Everything we get Heavenly is by Faith !The Just live by Faith ! Once we reveal the correct understanding ,revealing the scriptures ! then the Holy Ghost can deal with that person to get them to SEE! Some times it takes years to get them to accept the Truth? That why we never argue or try to force it on anyone ! Salvation begins a learning process! I doubt it ever ends while in the flesh?
2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen

1Jn_4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Eph_4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:


1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

We have the treacher! The POWER of GOD within each of Us! To teach us guide us reveal the future to us and give us the gifts and comforter not know of Heaven and earth! It all for us as needed !

1Jn_2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
He can protect us and heal us and everything!

God given us Everything we will ever need !
 
There is something that most do not want to concider. That is are we to question our salvation, even though the scriptures order us to do just that!

2Co 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.
2Co 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
2Co 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
2Co 13:7 Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
2Co 13:8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
2Co 13:9 For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.
2Co 13:10 Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.


vs 5 is plainly spoken. Examine yourself to know if you are in the faith. When this verse is read, does a pride well up that says "of course I am saved"! Or does a holy fear come upon
you. Does this cause a deep examination and searching for true salvation. Does it cause the response of going right to God and pouring out, crying out for true salvation, or have all
become callous to being stirred to repentance.

It is one thing to be secure in salvation due to knowing full well that there is nothing good in us. That Jesus covers all things in order to be in communion with God, and the mindset of a
hard heart that will not consider the possibly that they are fallen away, or may be falling away. It is not out of a fear that self is examined, but out of obedience to God that we come to
Him and ask the questions.

Is it a one time examination, or should there be a check from time to time. Coming to God through Christ in humility of soul.

Psa 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
Psa 139:24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

Confidence from the Spirit of God is different from prideful confidence that will not bow down to the searching and testing of God.

Bachan-try/test/examine
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בּחן
bâchan
baw-khan'
A primitive root; to test (especially metals); generally and figuratively to investigate: - examine, prove, tempt, try (trial).
 
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If salvation is over at the cross for what purpose are the epistles written to keep us in the faith? Ought not our Spiritual anointing do this automatically? Why the warnings to "abide in Him," not to "fall away" and to "walk in the Spirit?" Why the conditions to the covenant?

Again everyone loves to recite the Lord's prayer, yet how often do they include the next verse; "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

And just incase we think He couldn't mean what He said He illustrated it with a parable Matt 18:23-35.

We say it is of "faith alone," but the bible says our faith should be made manifest in works ("So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. "), otherwise we use our faith as an excuse not to burden ourselves in serving others. Add to these examples the list of witnesses in Hebrews Chapter 11-12, remarking their faith made manifest through their works.

If the Blood of Christ accomplished all, why a commandment, commission, example, and the promise of the Holy Spirit? If we have "already attained," then why do we bear the "offence of the cross" struggling on seemingly in vain ("Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. ")? No. The cross is the works of God making manifest His faith and the intents of His Heart toward the gospel of Grace, and such is made the example of those that claim to follow after Him.

Faith is essential for "that which is without faith is sin!" But also "faith without works is dead," and "he that knows to do good and does it not, to him it is sin!" For are we saved by the prophecies of the Messiah, or the cross of Jesus Christ, the Word made manifest in the flesh!
 
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1Pe_1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

This is Only talking about our Spirit ,Once born of GOD!
1Jn_5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Rom_4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


Col_3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Eph_4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

The New man is our new spirit !The elect !

2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


Rom_8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Gal_5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal_5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

It our new spirit He wants us living and walking in ! It cannot sin nor would it ! it has the same type mind and nature as our LORD JESUS CHRIST the Last ADAM! adam meaning beginning ! He started a New race of beings ,made like Him !

1Co_2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

2Pe_1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

We are made new creatures from GOD SEED! that why it cannot be corrupted by sin !
1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.




Our new spirit is MJade like our LORD JESUS! He could not Sin !Nor can we ,as We are Made in our spirit man Just LIKE HIM!
That why we are joint heirs with Him and declared more than conquerors from the day we are born into GOD KING!

That Why we judge the World and the Fallen angels! We are Declared OVERCOMERS at salvation !

1Jn_4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


All the elect were once called but not all the called become the elect! Not too many understand Salvation ! it is eternal life !

It cannot be lost because our New spirit cannot sin .Plus it not underr the law of moses .It under the law of Christ1
It judged by the Law of Liberty! It has Nothing to do with our weak sin filled flesh body !

Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
You must be able to break a law in order to Sin! It not under the law !

Gal_5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

1Pe_1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

The last day is our last day trapped in these flesh bodies!
Joh_6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh_10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh_17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Eternal life means 100% eternal life!

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Tit_3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

1Jn_2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

1Jn_5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1Jn_5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


Gal_3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Gal_3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Php_3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Listen to me ?It always our Faith satan uses others to attack! God does not want us living in Fear ! But trusting him 100% no matter how we might fail in the flesh! Salvation is a FREE GIFT! We DO NOT EARN IT1 He alone paid the price ,Did the works ! we just accept what he did by Faith and him in his rightful place as our LORD!

Rom_13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Gal_6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Rom_13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Eph_3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

Eph_1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph_4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

No one Can Break that seal mBut JESUS ! And He died for all our Sins 100%

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
 
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Rom_4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

It by Faith not works ! None of is live perfect lives in the flesh ! All of us sin in the flesh at times! No matter how hard we try not too!

He talking about HIS Spirit that not sinning!
Rom_7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom_7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Paul understood ? The flesh was sin filled and hard to overcome always! He hated that He was not able to perfectly keep it from sinning always!

Listen ? Just by not having the perfect correct understanding of all scriptures ,we can lie .Just preaching about a scripture vwe have the wrong understanding of! It still a lie ! We are all if of God in a learning Process! As we grow in the LORD! We change our thinking about certain scriptures as We come to the Correct understanding and truth !

None of us Know everything!
 
Please I to am interested and am curious as to how somevpeople can take verses or epistles and make it fit what they believe. Ok i would kindly ask you guys yo please explain Matt.16:27 and Rev. 22:12. Also pretty much the whole book ok James. Please REMEMBER the Bible cannot contradict itself. NEVER. God bless
 
Rewards care the works we do for the LORD ! Salvation is not given by works it a Free gift !It Not hard to understand this!

Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

I asked the LORD once! I said Father GOD .our flesh mind dies and everything in it! What does the minds mind take with it to heaven? He said everything we ever did out of LOVE ! that why we remeber our Dads and moms !Because we really Loved them !


The works we do out of pure Love are rewarded ! The works we did for any other reason is worthless! They mudst be as unto the LORD and then it Out of LOVE! We do not expect anything in return when we do good works!

We live eternally out of the law of LOVE ! Love a giver never a taker !

Rom_14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Eph_6:7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:
Col_3:23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Our Motives are very important to the LORD! Why we do what we do!


He wipes away all our bad thoughts and mistakes by our New spirit not having them !they die with our flesh mind and body !Gone forever more!
 
No one in this thread is discounting salvation by grace, but rather there is the response to that grace. For how is it that we are saved by God's works, His Word made an example unto us, so that we might accept the LORD's offering and do nothing? "neither will I offer burnt offerings unto the LORD my God of that which doth cost me nothing!" Would that not contradict the very definition of sacrifice? The examples I gave, is not that the man had to pay the debt he was forgiven anyway, which would nullify grace, but that if he accounts his life spared and debts forgiven he should follow the example by which he himself claims to be saved!

Again, Hebrews 12 compares those that do not follow through with their confession and testimony of Christ to abide in His doctrine to "Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright!" Was he not the firstborn? Did not the promise fall rightfully to him? But in that he failed to charish that which was appointed for him, his portion is given unto another. Amen to the power of the anointing of Christ and the workings and transfermation of a believer through His Holy Spirit. But God will never contradict your will (a gift given by God "without repentance"), and the Spirit will not force you to abide in Christ; you must continually choose to follow.

Many Christians are under the delusion that they are the one's sitting back at His right hand until their enemies have been made their footstool, having done nothing!!! How is it God, already propheciing before hand His intentions toward Christ, says that because of His life, death and resurrection so shall these things be ("But this man, AFTER he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works...Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul."

What need I of boldness if the work is already done? Or to draw near, since I am already saved? Or hold fast the profession of faith? Or provoke toward love and good works? Is not righteousness the example of God? If righteousness is by faith, why should I burden others with the notion of service and good works? Why the warning not to cast away my confidence, if no harm can come against me being saved anyway? And what need have I of patience, or to yet do the will of God? Since God already promised don't I get those good things anyway? And how can I draw back if I am "unblameable and unreproveable in his sight" by my salvation?

Side by side the salvation through faith and the "necessity laid upon" us of following after our profession, making manifest our faith according to God's own example. For as the conquering of the land of Canaan, He is called our "forerunner," securing those things that are promised us of God (Dtrnmy 31:3-6). But Israel still went over armed ready to obtain it! We claim these things are ours by faith, and our victory set in Christ: then act like it and pursue it as one that has the promise of God that you cannot fail in Him!!!
 
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LOOK HE did it all ! We Do nothing but accept His sacrifice and Him as LORD! I know the carnal thinking says we must Do something1 But the Word of GOD is clear! It Free by Faith nothing more! Sound too easy ? It By Faith not works!
Any other way is Not by Faith! That what amazes me ? It Free yet few Get it ! Only few are willing to accept him as LORD 1 Many think are tricked to think ? They must play some part in Salvation1 they must live perfect type lives for the FRee gift of salvation !Many know they cannot live perfect lives no matter How hard they try! and give up!

Thank GOD it only by Faith! You want to feel Your doing some part to keep it ?Go ahead! Your Not going to be rewarded for helping Gal_3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
HIM die for our SINS!
Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

2Ti_1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
The scriptures are perfectly clear! WE DO NOT KEEP OUR SELVES!
Should we do our best NOT to SIN! YES by all means! Our spirit hates sin! We feel so bad if we sin !We wonder how we could ?

We get up set with our selves, thinking how can we be so weak in the flesh to sin? Not understanding we must walk in our spirit more to not Sin! It our Spirit that we need to walk in to sin less! Our spirit CANNOT SIN!
What about that scripture do you not understand ?

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jn_5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

WHOEVER is Born of GOD DOES not sin! it is Only Our spirit that is born of GOD! It only our spirit that goes to New JERUSALEM! and it Only our Spirit that is Perfect! We cannot compare our weak sin filled flesh with our Perfect sin free spirit!

Joh_3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

That is all He requires for Salvation !
Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Rom_5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Rom_6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Rom_6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

it our spirit thast is Free of sin 100%

Rom_8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Gal_5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Jas_1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas_2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


We are judged in our spirit man BY THE LAW OF LIBERTY!
He already declared us overcomers at Salvation1 no matter how we might fail in the flesh!


1Jn_4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

2Ti_1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.

1Pe_4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

He never fails US! He never leaves us! It our spirit he never leaves or forsakes!

Rom_4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


We are under the New Covenant !Not the old !
Heb_10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn_2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn_3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn_4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Rev_1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

1Co_6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
 
it's grace alone. even our faith comes from God as gift.

and then it's not "faith that saves", but God thanks to His grace.

(Eph 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

(Heb 12:2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.


that's what i believe anyway.
 
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I have to say, I struggle with this one sometimes. We definitely aren't saved by any works we do (Eph 2:9) but in a way faith itself is a work.
Our faith is tested often. Why?

1Pet 1:7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

2Cor 13:5 Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you--unless indeed you fail the test?
2Cor 13:6 But I trust that you will realize that we ourselves do not fail the test.

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son;
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
James 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.

Faith is often an action.
It's one thing to say "Well I believe in God and Jesus" and that's the end of it. Live however you want, do whatever you want.
It's another thing to live like you believe what you say you believe when you are tested.
Yes Jesus did his part and paid the price, but is that all there is to it? I believe we have to do our part as well.
It's fine and good for me to believe a light will come on when I flip the switch, but it doesn't do any good until I get up and turn it on.

Our salvation doesn't depend on our works, and it's a good thing, especially in my case because I have failed many times. But on the other hand should we not to live Holy lives at all?
If Jesus' death covers everything, why should we bother even trying or passing these tests?

James 1:2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials,
James 1:3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
James 1:4 And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

1Pet 5:8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
1Pet 5:9 But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.
1Pet 5:10 After you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself perfect, confirm, strengthen and establish you.

After you have suffered and been tested... maybe it's not until then.

Heb 12:3 For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
Heb 12:4 You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin;
Heb 12:5 and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM;
Heb 12:6 FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES."
Heb 12:7 It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
Heb 12:8 But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

1Pet 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
1Pet 4:18 AND IF IT IS WITH DIFFICULTY THAT THE RIGHTEOUS IS SAVED, WHAT WILL BECOME OF THE GODLESS MAN AND THE SINNER?
1Pet 4:19 Therefore, those also who suffer according to the will of God shall entrust their souls to a faithful Creator in doing what is right.

Rom 1:5 and Rom 16:26 talk about something called "the obedience of faith". Could this be what Abraham did? It seems that all of the hero's of the faith mentioned in Hebrews 11 had some act of faith associated with their righteousness.
 
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