Is God Really In Control of Everything in this world

[Thiscrosshurts]

Do you think it's temptation to do as we are told? If God says "Take dominion" Is it wrong to take dominion? Not at all. Its wrong though when we do it without His Word in our decisions or larger, in our dominion.

That's close to what I mean,it's those subtle sellouts to the world that leads us toward our own will.
Witchcraft uses the knowledge of man's authority to do man's bidding on behalf of man.
There is a Godly craftsmanship that uses the authority in Jesus name to do God's bidding on man's behalf.
In that authority the fervent prayers of a righteous one avails much.

Jesus did not want to go to the cross and neither do I.
However if we must share in his suffering to share in his glory then we may not get instantly delivered from every uncomfortable situation.
If we do not recognize this we may end up telling people they must be suffering for their own lack of faith when that may or may not be the case.
I have suffered for things I have done out of faith and I have suffered for things that I didn't need to because of a lack of faith.
The wisdom that comes from the Holy Spirit is needed to know why any situation is causing suffering or loss.
If we have our faith in formulas and the laws of the universe we can miss the Holy spirit teaching us through these situations.
The Holy Spirit can reveal why and how the situation arises and whether we must either go through the situation or speak to the situation.

Then even with restored authority we must be able to convince things in high places that we are a representative of that authority.

Acts 19:15 One day the evil spirit answered them, "Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?"
These things knew Jesus and had apparently heard about Paul, but there is a kind that does not come forth without prayer and fasting.
Even if I am completely convinced of my authority in Christ I may have to gain a reputation for never giving up.

 

[Bendito]

That's close to what I mean,it's those subtle sellouts to the world that leads us toward our own will.
Witchcraft uses the knowledge of man's authority to do man's bidding on behalf of man.
There is a Godly craftsmanship that uses the authority in Jesus name to do God's bidding on man's behalf.
In that authority the fervent prayers of a righteous one avails much.

Jesus did not want to go to the cross and neither do I.
However if we must share in his suffering to share in his glory then we may not get instantly delivered from every uncomfortable situation.
If we do not recognize this we may end up telling people they must be suffering for their own lack of faith when that may or may not be the case.
I have suffered for things I have done out of faith and I have suffered for things that I didn't need to because of a lack of faith.
The wisdom that comes from the Holy Spirit is needed to know why any situation is causing suffering or loss.
If we have our faith in formulas and the laws of the universe we can miss the Holy spirit teaching us through these situations.
The Holy Spirit can reveal why and how the situation arises and whether we must either go through the situation or speak to the situation.

Then even with restored authority we must be able to convince things in high places that we are a representative of that authority.

Acts 19:15 One day the evil spirit answered them, "Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?"
These things knew Jesus and had apparently heard about Paul, but there is a kind that does not come forth without prayer and fasting.
Even if I am completely convinced of my authority in Christ I may have to gain a reputation for never giving up.

You said..."
Witchcraft uses the knowledge of man's authority to do man's bidding on behalf of man.
There is a Godly craftsmanship that uses the authority in Jesus name to do God's bidding on man's behalf.
In that authority the fervent prayers of a righteous one avails much." and you're absolutely right. When man takes a hint from Satan who twists truth, you get witchcraft. Keep in mind here, that for everything God gives us, Satan has a counterfeit. Don't get fooled. Stick with the Word scrupulously. Jesus said "
John 5:19-20 (CJB)
19 Therefore, Yeshua said this to them: “Yes, indeed! I tell you that the Son cannot do anything on his own, but only what he sees the Father doing; whatever the Father does, the Son does too. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything he does; and he will show him even greater things than these, so that you will be amazed.

That's the way we have to be..We are managers in this world, but if we do it in our own wisdom, in our own strength, we'll probably go the way of Adam. We have the authority to rule in this world but we NEED His wisdom. James 1:5 Proverbs 2:6 [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+4:5&version=CJB']Proverbs 4:5 [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+8:11&version=CJB']Proverbs 8:11 God is wisdom.[/URL][/URL]

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

That's the way we have to be..We are managers in this world, but if we do it in our own wisdom, in our own strength, we'll probably go the way of Adam. We have the authority to rule in this world but we NEED His wisdom. James 1:5 Proverbs 2:6 Proverbs 4:5 Proverbs 8:11 God is wisdom.

Agreed
That seems to me to be a more accurate view because it is not dependant on some formula but rests more upon hearing the life giver spirit that Jesus operated by.Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel but extended his ministry to outsiders on certain occasions like the centurion with great faith and the woman at the well.

 

[Dovegiven]

Agreed
That seems to me to be a more accurate view because it is not dependant on some formula but rests more upon hearing the life giver spirit that Jesus operated by.Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel but extended his ministry to outsiders on certain occasions like the centurion with great faith and the woman at the well.

Fine right dividing of the word, ya'll.

That last line came up when a woman some local prayer team women knew is a prostitute and drug addict came to their meeting asking them to pray for healing of some disease, and lay hands on her. They wouldn't, but asked my wife, who asked me.
What do you do when they won't repent, have come asking before, then goes right out messing up over and over. I said they should have done it:
They have authority to do it.
She was asking for healing of her body., not asking to be forgiven, which she understood since her livelihood remains in deep sin.
Jesus healed those two sick Gentiles who asked only for physical healing, so doing that isn't "casting pearls before swine".
God is merciful, allowing Jesus to heal the heathen on the basis of their faith that he could heal them.
He told Peter the gospel had to be shared with the Gentiles.

They missed a good opportunity to witness Christ again to the woman, and in doing so edify themselves. If she died from that disease she would be cut off and left in her bitterness. I hope they go find the woman and apologize, offering their prayer.

I tell that because I believe it's an example of righteous dominion of man over God's creation on earth. Notice he said "let" them (mankind) have dominion. He didn't command man to do that.
His will is for us to exercise dominion over all the earth (Gen 1:26). As it has consistently turned out, his men have listened too much to Satan's idea of dominion, the witchcraft ya'll spoke of.

Our God is big enough to let men attempt dominion, do some good, a lot of bad when forsaking dominion, which is rampantly a sign of gross neglect. I liken that to a man being elected on his promise and sworn duty
to protect little children, then fail to protect them, and end up himself abusing a child to his own destruction. The Lord will heal all the bad stuff regardless of what we do, to present a perfect world without sin or regret.

Meanwhile the Church, all of us believers, have access to those keys Jesus provided. Matthew 16:19-20 (KJV)
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Peter wasn't the only one receiving the power of God. All of us should grab every opportunity to confirm the word of God with power, in those ladies' case binding demons, casting out the disease, and loosing her to be delivered from sin.

But we know yet most who go to church just won't. I believe that will be high on the judgment list.

 

[KingJ]

I see there is a thread very similar but I wanted to see how my view on this is seen. So Thank YOU for your replies.

Hello Every one,
There seems to always be this debate over things such as sickness and healing and God is or is not in Control of Everything. Why does bad things happen to good people and God uses sickness and suffering to teach us things or God uses the devil or allows the devil to attack a Christian to instruct them and such. Well in this post I intend to shed some LIGHT and TRUTH concerning all these statements. So if you have Ears To Hear.....Let Them Hear

To start with I want to ask is God really in control of everything here in this earth ? To say God is in total control of everything one must say He is in Control of you and me. So if He is in control of you then when you lost your temper and told off the driver that cut you off was The Will Of God because God is in Control......How about the murdering rapist on the lose, if God is in control then this man is doing what God wills and so why get upset or try to capture him to be punished. Wouldn't this be going against God's will ?


There is a lot of evil lose in this world. Is God really in control of this ? Lots of people are dying from sicknesses, so then is this Gods will for them? People say you never know what God is going to do. We do not understand why God does things but he put this sickness on me to humble me and teach me something...No friends...the devil is trying to kill, steal and destroy you and keep you from ever walking in the Blessing of God. We chose and allow this to happen.........Now then lets see what the written word of God has to say about these things........

Lets first look in Deuteronomy 30:10-20 KJV
10.....is telling us if we will keep His commandments and walk in His ways and turn to or trust in the Lord thy God with all of your heart and soul.
11-13...is stating that this commandment which He is giving us this day is NOT hidden from thee, nor do you have to go up to heaven to bring it down to hear it nor is it beyond the sea that you have to go get it.

Now 14 is where it gets GOOD !! ; )
14.....But thy word is very NIGH unto thee, In Thy Mouth, and in Thy Heart that thou mayest do it.
His word has been placed all around you. Media and books and churches and Bibles so there is no excuse not to know it.
This is telling us especially for today that His word needs to be in our minds, our hearts and mouth. Why mouth ? Because speaking Gods words bring God results...He is moved by His word and when He is moved by His word He see's to it that it is carried out. BUT it must be DONE IN FAITH !!

Here we go now
15.....SEE I HAVE SET BEFORE THEE THIS DAY LIFE AND GOOD AND DEATH AND EVIL.
16.....In that I COMMAND thee THIS DAY to LOVE the Lord thy God, TO WALK in His Ways, and to KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS and His STATUTES and His JUDGMENTS that THOU MAYEST LIVE And Multiply and thee Lord thy God Shall BLESS Thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

So in these two verses we see several key things.
1...God gives US the CHOICE TO CHOOSE Life and Blessing or Death and Cursing or evil. We choose....Not God BUT we choose...
2...Now in verse 16 we see that GOD is telling us Pick His Way. He says IF YOU CHOOSE TO WALK MY WAY FOLLOW MY COMMAND.....this good life will be yours....
3...So in this Good Life we find several things....First we must make the choice to choose this life....Second which is just as important.....We MUST Choose To Walk This Life His Way Every Single Day Of Our Life in Order to stay in The Good Life of Blessing and protection and every other good thing that is included in Thee Blessing Of Thee Lord.


17...Now here is the flip side...the disobedient side....the side where you do not follow His commands such as walking in Love and Forgiveness and Living by Faith 24-7-365. You Step out side of His blessing. Remember verse 14 told us His Word is in Our Mouth and Heart so this says SPEAKING His word By and In and Through FAITH is also a commandment......or REQUIREMENT .

17......But if thine heart turn away, so that thou will NOT Hear, but be drawn away and worship other gods and serve them.
......Now remember a few things here. Heart turn away.....resist doing His word. Not allowing His word to take root. Not hearing.....again not giving His word a second thought so as to give it time to root in your heart. Be drawn away and to worship other gods.....This is as simple as walking in the flesh.....doing things your way or the way of the world. Giving something else leadership in your actions or believe over God.

18 tells us if we do not choose His way then.........I denounce unto you this day that thee shall surely perish, (( SEE THIS PLEASE )) AND that ye shall NOT PROLONG YOUR DAYS UPON the land, wither thou passest over Jorden to go to posses it.
Seems we can shorten or lengthen our lives here on this earth.... When you violate how God said to walk, live, think, speak, act and feed the body, or soul or spirit man you can shorten your life. We can Live the 120 years allotted to man found in Gen, 6:3 BUT you have got to be walking in the Blessing of the Lord which means, living, talking, believing acting on Gods word 24-7-365.

19 tells us simply this WE ARE WITH OUT EXCUSE.......
I call Heaven and earth to record this day AGAINST YOU, That I HAVE SET BEFORE YOU, LIFE AND DEATH, BLESSING AND CURSING; THEREFORE Choose Life , that both thou and thy seed may live.......
.....again God not only has left this choice up to us....He called Heaven and earth to record this day.....so we have no excuse......God even goes a step further......if for some reason you are still not sure which is better...Blessing or cursing....He tells us MAN....CHOOSE LIFE.....CHOOSE BLESSING....

20.. tells us please pick life and blessing so we can have this.....
That thou mayest Love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey His voice , and that thou mayest cleave unto Him; For He Is Thy Life, and the length of thy days; that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.


Now then I had wanted to get further into the curses but this is getting long and some do not have the patience to read very much at one time so.
I suggest that you read chapter 28 of Deuteronomy and check out all the things mentioned in this curse. Every thing you see going on in this earth today you can find it recorded under the curse or UNDER THE CHOICE OF NOT CHOOSING GODS WAY.

We know that through Christ Jesus we have been redeemed from the curse of the law..... So as a born again Believer it once again falls on OUR CHOICE to live by Faith and according to His very word. When we as Christians fail to do so and step out side of the Blessing is when we find Christians walking a defeated life. Sickness ? We are redeemed from the curse of sickness and disease. Poverty ? We are redeemed from the curse of poverty. However it is up to us to activate this or release this in our own lives. How? By knowing His word and living each day by His word and using His word and doing His word. WE have to know who we are in Christ and what authority is ours and recognise when the devil is simply trying to kill, steal and destroy.

Also Psalm 115:16 KJV
The Heaven, even the Heavens, are the LORDS, BUT the earth hath He given to the children of men.
In Heaven God is in Total Control. That is why there is No Crime, Poverty, Sickness, or any other evil thing.
Now here on earth there is evil ruining rampant.........Remember God has Given Man The Choice.......Choose His way and Blessing and Life will follow OR do it your own way with out God and you will have cursing and death.

God decided to give man free will so when God decided to do this, well it became a good thing so man has Free Will. Man makes their own choice to follow God or Not to.....Now man is not sovereign unto himself. What does this mean ? It means man needs a spiritual overlord. What does that mean ?
It means that there is NO such thing as the devils thoughts and Gods thoughts and there are MY thoughts.. No this is simply not the way it works.

Man is getting his thoughts or influenced either by Godly thinking through a renewed mind and heart and the Holy spirit and so forth OR man is getting his thoughts influenced by the devil and when this is true the devil will lead you down the road of destruction, one thought at a time. When a Christian is not functioning with in the word of God he is carnal minded and a man who is not born again is simply a natural man. A carnal minded man can not truly operate in Faith. This limits his results and is NOT the fault of God.

Last thing.......Scripture tells us to take captive every thought......
Ever wonder why ? Now you know......
Scripture tells us Take No Thought Saying.....understand this......How do you take a thought ? You Say that thought....so that is speaking a thought and giving it words......Why would scripture tell us this ? Because Words are as a power activating force working either as a blessing or cursing or Positively or Negatively.

This is why the devil wants your words.....This is why the devil whispers or taunts you with thoughts and suggestions. He is haunting you, tormenting you into allowing him right to kill, steal and destroy. That is why the devil was trying so hard to get Job to curse God and die. The devil knew if Job did this then the blessing ( hedge) would be lifted and the devil could kill, steal and destroy this blessing and job...Now when scripture talks about how job did not sin and blameless ........it is referring to this one point...Job did not curse God....... However job through his worry and words or fear and doubt took his eyes off of God and unto the fear and worry that the devil had been haunting job with......

Job bit it, swallowed the lies, hook, line and sinker. Job began to operate in his fear for his children and worry and aloud his words to turn from Godly words full of blessing unto fearful words and doubting words and this removed him from the protection of the blessing (hedge). So job ended up giving the devil a way in and GOD only set a limit to satan and NEVER gave satan permission for anything......

People including Christians make bad choices and bad choices have bad results.

Thank You For taking the time to read this.
Have a very Blessed Week
Jim

As a Christian you have chosen life. The error comes in when we demand a Christian needs to do more.

Grasping God's omniscience and omnipotence is beyond us. Does anyone know how God was made? ALL we can do is LOOK at where the evidence points. It points to Him limiting His omnipotence on the cross to be who He is (good Psalm 136:1). It points to Him giving us time and space to exercise free will. Free will is good and points to God being who He is (good).

 

[Bendito]

As a Christian you have chosen life. The error comes in when we demand a Christian needs to do more.

Grasping God's omniscience and omnipotence is beyond us. Does anyone know how God was made? ALL we can do is LOOK at where the evidence points. It points to Him limiting His omnipotence on the cross to be who He is (good Psalm 136:1). It points to Him giving us time and space to exercise free will. Free will is good and points to God being who He is (good).

In relation to the subject your answer is quite ambiguous. Care to be more detailed? With scripture to back your words?

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

I tell that because I believe it's an example of righteous dominion of man over God's creation on earth. Notice he said "let" them (mankind) have dominion. He didn't command man to do that.

Your whole post is convincing and edifying but this little gem stood out to me.
The days of the one man show are over
This subject has been popping up a lot lately in my attempt to rightly divide and I had overlooked that one.
We each have a coat of many colors given by the father made out of such gems and we can share them without loss.
You can't share God's love without Godly gain to all parties.

They missed a good opportunity to witness Christ again to the woman, and in doing so edify themselves.

Love does not demand its own way but believes all things,hopes all things and love never fails.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Do you have more insight as to verse 20?

 

[amadeus2]

As a Christian you have chosen life. The error comes in when we demand a Christian needs to do more.

Grasping God's omniscience and omnipotence is beyond us. Does anyone know how God was made? ALL we can do is LOOK at where the evidence points. It points to Him limiting His omnipotence on the cross to be who He is (good Psalm 136:1). It points to Him giving us time and space to exercise free will. Free will is good and points to God being who He is (good).

But "Free will" itself is our ultimate testing ground. We really only have two choices, to be for God or for the ways of men. Walking anywhere in between is covered here:

"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." Rev 3:16

We may walk along doing many things that please our own carnal selves but eventually will we not be tested with the test of Jesus in Gethsemene? Jesus wanted to go the ways of his own flesh as we all have done or still do.

"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39

God gave all us the ability to choose, but in the end of any matter our wills must coincide with His.. or our direction needs to be changed. There in the garden of Gethsemene, I believe, Jesus passed the last test. He overcame the last personal barrier and was then able to be the perfect sacrifice for you and for me.

 

[KingJ]

In relation to the subject your answer is quite ambiguous. Care to be more detailed? With scripture to back your words?

Jims and your posts suggest a Christian has power and must take charge of situations. That is reading scripture back to front. A Christian is to submit to God's will for their life, whatever it is. We have power but only in Christ. ''We'' are dead.

A Christian accepted life when they accepted Jesus. So in actuality what you and Jim are proposing is not choosing life it is choosing positivity and faith in faith. The faith God wants to see in us is that faith in Him that remains no matter what we endure. Not faith to cause problems like sickness to go away. God being concerned with our medical state is a given from being an adopted child in his house. We give thanks because God is good. He likely attends to the needs of the nervous, illiterate, ''faithless'' child first.

There are only three scriptures we need to grasp.

1. John 9:31 = NOBODY can pray a more effective prayer for help then a Christian. God hears our prayers = God hears our prayers.

2. Psalm 136:1 = we give thanks BECAUSE God is good. We tend to get so lost in thoughts of God's omniscience and omnipotence. The bottom line is that God is as good as He is omniscient. We would NOT give thanks if God was ...not good. Creating people from birth for hell / literal partiality with hardening Pharaoh's heart = not good.

3. Phil 4:11 = Does not matter what God or life throws at us.....REAL faith in God is to love Him all the same when life is not so dandy. We all need to learn from Job's experience. Job's faith was at its greatest when he was at his worst in life. We assume that we have faith when we are not sick or poor...we could not be further from the truth. It is not ''''faith'''' we need... it is 'faith in God' that we need and grow in.

 

[B-A-C]

All people.. believers or not have the power to sin... and frequently do so. Even people who have been Christians for a very long time still sin from time to time. Is is because God makes them sin? Or is it because they themselves choose to sin?

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

All people.. believers or not have the power to sin... and frequently do so. Even people who have been Christians for a very long time still sin from time to time. Is is because God makes them sin? Or is it because they themselves choose to sin?

A better question is who chose to reveal God's mercy.

 

[B-A-C]

A better question is who chose to reveal God's mercy.

Every time we sin we reveal God's mercy and grace. Should we continue sinning so that grace will increase?

 

[Bendito]

Jims and your posts suggest a Christian has power and must take charge of situations. That is reading scripture back to front. A Christian is to submit to God's will for their life, whatever it is. We have power but only in Christ. ''We'' are dead.

A Christian accepted life when they accepted Jesus. So in actuality what you and Jim are proposing is not choosing life it is choosing positivity and faith in faith. The faith God wants to see in us is that faith in Him that remains no matter what we endure. Not faith to cause problems like sickness to go away. God being concerned with our medical state is a given from being an adopted child in his house. We give thanks because God is good. He likely attends to the needs of the nervous, illiterate, ''faithless'' child first.

There are only three scriptures we need to grasp.

1. John 9:31 = NOBODY can pray a more effective prayer for help then a Christian. God hears our prayers = God hears our prayers.

2. Psalm 136:1 = we give thanks BECAUSE God is good. We tend to get so lost in thoughts of God's omniscience and omnipotence. The bottom line is that God is as good as He is omniscient. We would NOT give thanks if God was ...not good. Creating people from birth for hell / literal partiality with hardening Pharaoh's heart = not good.

3. Phil 4:11 = Does not matter what God or life throws at us.....REAL faith in God is to love Him all the same when life is not so dandy. We all need to learn from Job's experience. Job's faith was at its greatest when he was at his worst in life. We assume that we have faith when we are not sick or poor...we could not be further from the truth. It is not ''''faith'''' we need... it is 'faith in God' that we need and grow in.

When I take dominion in my part of this world I do not choose positivity as you assumed. I choose the Word of God. Jesus said "I only do what I see the Father do" Later He said "Everything that I've done here, you will do, and greater" So...I only do what I see Jesus do, say only what I hear Jesus say. And guess what? People are healed, demons are kicked out, finances change, weather is effected and so on. Yes weather! I have seen, more than once, rain storms stall because they were forbidden to come over a place where Christians were having a meeting. Tornado's dissipated because a Christian commanded it. I have seen it. Have you ever seen a sick person healed? Why does it happen? It's because some believing Christian, commanded it, decreed it.

Now... Do a persons children have a right to choose what they do? How they do things? How they keep their rooms? Of course they do. Our parents gave us right to grow and decide how we do things. They gave us responsibilities. Chores, pets, a room of our own (if we were lucky) maybe even a bicycle Did your parents walk along side you and tell you each and every move you were to make? Maybe when they were teaching you how to do it, but when you reached a level of proficiency they cut you loose to do it. And they let you stylize the way you did it to match you own personality.


Why do you think that God, who is a far better parent would not let you add your own natural charms to the things you do? When He told us to take dominion in the Earth, do you really think He meant to take our hands and force our actions? Or would he stand to the side and act as a coach? "Father how should I do this job" I ask. "Well Son, why not do it this way?' He answers.

We are going to rule with Him! Where do you think we're going to train for that? Do you think that we'll automatically know how to rule? We are Kings and Priests now. That means we have responsibilities now. Kings have the reign. That means kings have to rule. Priests have responsibilities too. Teaching, preaching, leading in the service of God Where do you think we learn to do that?

You said "God is as good and He is omniscient" and that's true. He is also our teacher, our counselor etc
John 14:26 (CJB)
26 But the Counselor, the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit), whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything; that is, he will remind you of everything I have said to you.

We are here to learn, to train. That only comes from practice. We cannot glorify God if we do not know Him. Being born again is not knowing Him.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Every time we sin we reveal God's mercy and grace. Should we continue sinning so that grace will increase?

There are two directions our inquiries can take.
One leads toward seeking blame,shame and further fragmentation and separation from God.
The other leads to life.

John 9:2 His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"

The disciples were sure there were only two possible solutions.
Both solutions were seeking to blame.

Jesus corrects the directional error not with rebuke but a different direction.
To change direction after a think is repentance.
One direction leads further up the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
The other to the tree of life.

Galatians 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Romans 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

I think love says "blame me".

Job 40:8 "Would you discredit my justice? Would you condemn me to justify yourself?

 

[B-A-C]

There are two directions our inquiries can take.
One leads toward seeking blame,shame and further fragmentation and separation from God.
The other leads to life.

I see no where in the Bible where it says guilt leads to death.
However it does say that sin leads to death ( Rom 3:23; )
Guilt doesn't separate us from God, sin does. ( Isa 59:2; )

In fact the Bible talks about those who have become so used to doing sin that their conscience has become seared over. ( 1 Tim 4:2; )

Psalms 51:17; Psalms 34:18; Luke 18:13; 2 Cor 7:10;

 

[Bendito]

I see no where in the Bible where it says guilt leads to death.
However it does say that sin leads to death ( Rom 3:23; )
Guilt doesn't separate us from God, sin does. ( Isa 59:2; )

In fact the Bible talks about those who have become so used to doing sin that their conscience has become seared over. ( 1 Tim 4:2; )

Psalms 51:17; Psalms 34:18; Luke 18:13; 2 Cor 7:10;

Now there is the strange thing. As you say..Guilt does not separate us from God but every time we feel guilty we hide from Him. We separate us from God. Strange or what?

 

[Dovegiven]

Now there is the strange thing. As you say..Guilt does not separate us from God but every time we feel guilty we hide from Him. We separate us from God. Strange or what?

Guilt drove Judas to suicide, no doubt Satan his coach. Guilt often causes people to avoid God and people that appear guiltless, causing a shaking the hands of failure, then in that avoidance fail to do what is obviously the right thing to do, which is a major definition of sin. James 4:17 (KJV) therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Guilt/guilty is rare wording in the New Testament, a topic that God limits in the middle of his Good News. It has almost all to do with the law, which itself makes people guilty of all if breaking just one part of it. A smaller part of guilt has to do with spiritual blindness, such as for the Pharisees claiming the gift on the altar was greater than the altar, so swearing by the gift made one guilty. Jesus reprimanded them in Mt 23:19. Their backwards belief was typical of wrongly assigning guilt to people out of their own ignorance.

 

[Dovegiven]

Your whole post is convincing and edifying but this little gem stood out to me.
The days of the one man show are over
This subject has been popping up a lot lately in my attempt to rightly divide and I had overlooked that one.
We each have a coat of many colors given by the father made out of such gems and we can share them without loss.
You can't share God's love without Godly gain to all parties.
Love does not demand its own way but believes all things,hopes all things and love never fails.

Do you have more insight as to verse 20?

You just there answered that question well.

In addition, Jesus knew what the general belief the poor of Israel had about the Messiah. They believed he would immediately assume the role of King, putting the nation back in high favor, prosperous, free of enemies like Rome.
If his closest disciples were to reveal Jesus' heavenly identity too soon the crowds would have seen Jesus wrongly before he could deliver the gospel. He didn't allow himself to be puffed up by men, but focused on hearing then saying and doing the will of the Father.

Like Jesus, none of us do well to let people lift us up, so we ought to be focused on lifting Jesus up to all people. When the right time arrived that God ordained, around the Passover feast, Jesus was pressed to confirm his identity, which assured his immediate arrest and kangaroo court trial. In doing so God's perfect Lamb was identified, then put on the altar. His time to be King is now and forever more.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

I see no where in the Bible where it says guilt leads to death.

I was referring to blame only,not guilt.
What if God really did bind us over to disobedience so that he could show mercy like the scripture said.
Where will the blame end up going?
Who made you a sinner,did you?
Did you stand in a line or sign a contract agreeing to be born is sin?
Did you create yourself and your need for food and shelter?

Seek and you will find,seek blame and guess what you will find.


John 9:2 His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"

The disciples wanted to know who to blame,Jesus said:
John 9:3 "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

i think blame nailed Jesus to the cross,not God blaming man but man blaming God .
Job 40:8 "Would you discredit my justice? Would you condemn me to justify yourself?
The answer is Jesus.

Love does not demand its own way it just finds a way.
Does an almighty creator have a right to take the blame so his sons can live?
Because he did.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Like Jesus, none of us do well to let people lift us up, so we ought to be focused on lifting Jesus up to all people. When the right time arrived that God ordained, around the Passover feast, Jesus was pressed to confirm his identity, which assured his immediate arrest and kangaroo court trial. In doing so God's perfect Lamb was identified, then put on the altar. His time to be King is now and forever more.

Ok that was pretty clear,I should have seen that.
John 7:6 Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come, but your time is always here.
Romans 5:6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.