In the Name

[amadeus2]

"And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him."Col 3:17

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."Matt 18:20

Being "in the name" is much more than simply saying "in the name of Jesus" when we are praying. People say that there is power in the name and there is but the key is to be "IN" the name. At a neighborhood bar room people may regularly say the word, "Jesus" with their mouths but never are "IN" the name.

When a person is in the name completely isn't it that he has the mind of Christ? Do all of us have the mind of Christ all of the time? If we did, we certainly wouldn't sin at all, would we?

I believe that a person can be in the name without saying the name or even without knowing the name in his carnal mind. A number of people in the OT [at least, in a measure], I believe were in the name in a measure before any prophet knew what that name was in order to be able to speak it with his mouth.

Wasn't Elijah in the name when he was confronting the 400 prophets of Baal?

Wasn't David, a man after God's own heart, and the 'apple of God's eye', also in the name or in His name, when God was inspiring him to write many of the psalms attributed to him in the Bible?

Neither Elijah nor David knew that the name of the savior was to be "Jesus" or "Yeshua" or any other spoken name, which man has applied to the Savior in the flesh, unless it was Immanuel.

Yet, were not both of them, and others ,in the name or in His name long before the time of John the Baptist?

The following verse gives us more about this, does it not?

"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)" Rom 2:14-15

Were those not also in some measure "in the name" when they did the right things without having heard the spoke word, "Jesus"?

Paul also says something here on this subject:

"For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you." Acts 17:23

Isn't it also possible that among those Athenians, one or more who knew of that altar to the unknown God were also in His name at times before Paul talked to them that day?

If they were in the name, didn't they get there without having any written Bible?

If a 10 year old child living in mainland China has always had a tender heart toward people and his Creator and has learned to give his all to everyone with whom he comes into contact, who is to say that that child isn't in the name, simply because he has seen nor heard of the Bible? [What Bible did Abraham read?]

If that child has come into touch with God's Spirit without knowing anything about what the written Bible says, isn't it deeper into the name that the Spirit would lead him?

If the child did need more in order to continue growing, would not God?s Spirit be able to direct him to a person and/or to direct a person to him even as Philip was sent to the Ethiopian Eunuch?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Amen. Well said.

 

[Chopper]

Hey, great!! amadeus2. You said you might start this thread, I love it!! Lets look at a few Scriptures....

Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."....First of all, I think we need to realize just what this Name stands for and it's importance. This Scripture says None, or no, other Name.....

Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,"


The power that God the Father used to resurrect His Son from the dead is a power that we as humans have absolutely little knowledge of. When we invoke the Name of Jesus, we tap into this power. I have an idea that in the first century, the Apostles and Believers were overwhelmed with amazement as they directed, in prayer, the Name of Jesus and what was accomplished.

Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."....Just look at the power that is in just Jesus' Name. Unbelievers used the Name of Jesus to perform miracles. UNBELIEVERS!! What about us? That certainly doesn't speak well of our usage of that Name.

I don't think that this is not a truthful statement in that today's believer as a whole have a watered down usage of of that Name. Perhaps it's because the Name of Jesus is simply tacked onto our prayers, not really taking into account the price that Jesus paid so we could use His Name.

The Name of Jesus the Son of God, just in itself, Almighty Elohim, in the fullness of the Godhead declared that Jesus was the most important part of Himself that just the mention of Jesus' Name would release all that Heaven has for power would be released to accomplish His purpose and will.

1John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him."

Ok my good friend amadeus2. These are my thoughts to add to your wonderful and thoughtful thread on Jesus' Name. O if we would only, as a result of your thread, explore what glory there is in not only believing in Jesus' Name, but also having such honor and lifted up reverence for that Name, we could with 7 Holy Spirit filled men, turn this old world "right side up!!"

Love You!

 

[B-A-C]

I'm still not convinced they were unbelievers.

1Cor 12:3; Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

But I would ask... Is "LORD" the name of Jesus... or is it His title?

 

[Chopper]

I'm still not convinced they were unbelievers.

1Cor 12:3; Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

But I would ask... Is "LORD" the name of Jesus... or is it His title?

LORD
κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748

 

[amadeus2]

Hey, great!! amadeus2. You said you might start this thread, I love it!! Lets look at a few Scriptures....

Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."....First of all, I think we need to realize just what this Name stands for and it's importance. This Scripture says None, or no, other Name.....

Indeed, it does say that there is no other, but what is the Name? It is certainly more than just a sound mouthed with the lips, tongues, teeth, vocal cords, lungs, etc. of a being of flesh. A deaf-mute can be In the Name without ever being able to utter the word, "Jesus".

Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,"

The power that God the Father used to resurrect His Son from the dead is a power that we as humans have absolutely little knowledge of. When we invoke the Name of Jesus, we tap into this power. I have an idea that in the first century, the Apostles and Believers were overwhelmed with amazement as they directed, in prayer, the Name of Jesus and what was accomplished.

When we are really In the Name, then we are as Jesus was and are never in doubt. Jesus never failed in an effort to heal a person. This was because He was always IN the Name. Can we do the same? To invoke that power is to know what Jesus knew. For this reason we need to have the mind of Christ. When have the mind of Christ, we will know when a prayer will be successful and we will pray it. We will know when we are to lay our hands on a person and when we are not to touch them. If we are IN the Name, we will never pray for a person and fail to accomplish God's will.

Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

....Just look at the power that is in just Jesus' Name. Unbelievers used the Name of Jesus to perform miracles. UNBELIEVERS!! What about us? That certainly doesn't speak well of our usage of that Name.

I do not believe you understand this fully as yet. Neither do I, but I do not believe that unbelievers used the Name to perform miracles. People do misuse and abuse the name Jesus, but when they do they are not really in the Name. To me it is like the difference between being in the outer court and holy place and the most holy place. These correspond I believe to the three levels of Noah's Ark. All of them in the Ark were saved initially, but not all of them made it into the Promised Land. I believe I understand these differences in a measure, but to explain them is not so easy if you do not already understand.

This is not putting you down. I believe the truth of this verse:

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

God may ask more of you and more of me than of others in some areas as per the above verse, but what He asks will be in accord with what He knows that He has given us and our differences show that He has not given us the same things in the same measure.

I don't think that this is not a truthful statement in that today's believer as a whole have a watered down usage of of that Name. Perhaps it's because the Name of Jesus is simply tacked onto our prayers, not really taking into account the price that Jesus paid so we could use His Name.

"Watered it down"? Yes, probably this is so for some, but others have believed but never moved past the first veil of the tabernacle nor even approached the second veil. We need to get used to 'tacking onto our prayers" these words, "nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." This, I believe, will allow Him to increase us as He sees fit.

We need to come to where we are always "In the Name" even when we are not praying a specific prayer. We need to come to where we are always "praying without ceasing". We need to come to where we are always "rejoic[ing] in the Lord"... When we through the Holy Ghost in us can always do those things, then we will always be "In the Name". These are some of those "impossible" things for man alone, but for God in us, is anything impossible?

"...With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27

The Name of Jesus the Son of God, just in itself, Almighty Elohim, in the fullness of the Godhead declared that Jesus was the most important part of Himself that just the mention of Jesus' Name would release all that Heaven has for power would be released to accomplish His purpose and will.

But who can "mention... Jesus' Name"? Not any barroom curser and not even pew sitting people bearing the label, Christian.

Here I borrow the verse posted above by @B-A-C ...

"...and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." I Cor 12:3

If a man cannot say "Jesus is Lord", then he cannot even "mention his name".

1John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him."

Ok my good friend amadeus2. These are my thoughts to add to your wonderful and thoughtful thread on Jesus' Name. O if we would only, as a result of your thread, explore what glory there is in not only believing in Jesus' Name, but also having such honor and lifted up reverence for that Name, we could with 7 Holy Spirit filled men, turn this old world "right side up!!"

Love You!

You do understand much of my meaning, but as you see we still have differences, but as I have said the keys, in spite of differences, are located
In Corinthians chapter 13 as well as in Matthew chapters 5 and 6 and 7.

 

[Brad Huber]

Its easier to say Lord, a title like a judge here on earth, but there is power... power in the name of Jesus. Jesus is His name, calling Him Lord if you are not a surrendered Christian is lying to Him. Besides, Jesus is His name, and its preferred by Him just as our given name is preferred by us. Its more intimate to call Him Jesus, and that's the relationship He wants with us.

 

[amadeus2]

Its easier to say Lord, a title like a judge here on earth, but there is power... power in the name of Jesus. Jesus is His name, calling Him Lord if you are not a surrendered Christian is lying to Him. Besides, Jesus is His name, and its preferred by Him just as our given name is preferred by us. Its more intimate to call Him Jesus, and that's the relationship He wants with us.

And we can and do always need to grow ever closer to Him.