If there was no sin in Heaven...

[B-A-C]

So if he had already fallen from heaven how did he get back in to play his part in the war in heaven?

I don't know, I would ask Jesus.
Luke 10:18 And He said to them, "I was watching Satan cast from heaven like lightning.

Lucifer is like all the other dead kings of the earth.Satan is still at large.

That's one theory.


Isaiah 14:16 Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: "Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble,
This event already took place to a man and Satan who is not a man is still at large.

Even though Satan isn't imprisoned yet, do you think the other angels don't know his fate? Even the demons know Jesus can destroy them.

Satan never had a people,this man had land and a people.

Jude 1:6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
Maybe they did have a land (domain, or abode).

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

So if he had already fallen from heaven how did he get back in to play his part in the war in heaven?


I don't know, I would ask Jesus.
Luke 10:18 And He said to them, "I was watching Satan cast from heaven like lightning.

I would only ask Jesus if I did not believe what he said.
The answer is Lucifer is not Satan and the only reason he sounds like Satan is becauase we have
been told that Lucifer is Satan our whole lives.


Jesus said he was a liar and a thief from the begining so who do you believe?

 

[B-A-C]

Lucifer may not actually be Satan. He might be like the King of Tyre. Just an example of what Satan was like.
Either way, I don't think this is one of those major doctrine things that you have to believe.

When Jesus says 'the beginning', my question would be.. 'the beginning of what'?
I believe Jesus/God had no beginning and will have no end.

The Bible doesn't say when the angels were created.
One possibility is that they were created trillions and zillions of years ago.
Another possibility is that Satan and the angels were created around the same time as Adam, or possibly even after Adam was created but while he was still alive.
If the latter is true, then it's possible that Satan was a 'good angel' for a very short while at the beginning of his existence. Or the beginning of mankind, since Jesus is speaking to men in Matt 8:44.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

The Bible doesn't say when the angels were created.
One possibility is that they were created trillions and zillions of years ago.

That sounds like chaos set theory and Satan would be the weak nuclear force.
The name Satan means "adversary" and the "weak force" is what causes atoms that are unstable to decay.

Lucifer may not actually be Satan. He might be like the King of Tyre. Just an example of what Satan was like.
Either way, I don't think this is one of those major doctrine things that you have to believe.

Since Satan means adversary then we could certainly say this man or class of men were operating with a mind set that was adversarial toward God.So if Satan is a mind set like the one Peter had ("get behind me Satan") then The man or class of men it refers to are certainly Satan.

Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Note that Satan savours the things of men not of himself so it seems that Peter's mind was set on the things of men and so he qualified as Satan or an adversary to God's divine plan.

 

[brhal]

The Blood of the Lamb will surely cleanse the temple in Heaven.

 

[spirit1st]

satan was kicked out of the old heaven for what he did here on earth! he bought sin into the old heaven , that why the LORD Created New jerusalem ! he not allowed to enter New Jerusalem !

Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Joh_14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

He Had to be the First to enter New Jerusalem !
Col_1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

He had to be First at everything ! that why we follow Him in Everything !

 

[spirit1st]

satan CANNOT enter into NEW JERUSALEM! Nothing evil can ! Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.