SpiritLedEd
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Tusk, you've been honest and open all along. Allforihs came here as a wolf in sheep's clothing. Big difference.
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How does a persos know that he is not decievin himself?
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Yeah, Ed, but Tusk is just so; well, so....I mean he's just so, ohhh, I mean, well you know... HAH!
Naw, Tusk, what's a living room without a potted plant? What's a peaceful, idyllic little mountain village quietly nestled away in solitude without swarms of bloodthirsty hordes coming up the back side of the mountain to add some life and spice things up a little?
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Thanks Ed. I can't tell if this Romans excerpt was aimed at me or perhaps just aimed at a larger group which I may happen to fall into.
I would say that my own life is a contradiction of this verse, having not been given over to my fleshly desires or immorality, but I think I've been here long enough to understand that you guys will simply not believe me. That's fine. Like i've said before, I'm not here to convince anyone that I'm right.
Interesting though that words attributed to Paul are given so much weight since he never met the Christ.
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Hahahahaha. JD, sometimes your entries make my eyes glaze over and my teeth hurt, too. If I didn't know better, I'd blame psychotropic drugs...I do know better, though. Haha.
All in all, I really like your style! Keep 'em comin', bro.
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Hahahahaha. JD, sometimes your entries make my eyes glaze over and my teeth hurt, too. If I didn't know better, I'd blame psychotropic drugs...I do know better, though. Haha.
All in all, I really like your style! Keep 'em comin', bro.
Ahh, but you're discounting that classic saying, actually started by yours truly here some years back: 'Yeah, and some folks just didn't stop using drugs soon enough' HAAH!
And no, I'm quite sure EHV's Romans quote was directed to shedding more light on what I said previously, because I failed to give verse etc. so if I may speak for him, not aimed at you!
On the other hand, every single word in the Word is aimed directly at us, so we can't escape anyway Haaah!
Thanks Ed. I can't tell if this Romans excerpt was aimed at me or perhaps just aimed at a larger group which I may happen to fall into.
I would say that my own life is a contradiction of this verse, having not been given over to my fleshly desires or immorality, but I think I've been here long enough to understand that you guys will simply not believe me. That's fine. Like i've said before, I'm not here to convince anyone that I'm right.
Interesting though that words attributed to Paul are given so much weight since he never met the Christ.
Forgive me for sticking my nose in mate.
Act 9:3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven.
Act 9:4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?"
Act 9:5 And he said, "Who are You, Lord?" Then the Lord said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads."
This is Paul meeting Jesus.
Good Question
This is really a good question. I was wondering about it myself the other day.
But I got down on my knees and asked the Holy Spirit to lead me and help me not to deceive myself in thinking I will be eternity with Jesus. I do trust in the Lord that He WILL help me.
I think thats something we must all ask the Lord. Because the devil is very sly, he will discuise anything, even good things, he will discuise to make you and me fall or to believe in false things.
This is really a good question. I was wondering about it myself the other day.
But I got down on my knees and asked the Holy Spirit to lead me and help me not to deceive myself in thinking I will be eternity with Jesus. I do trust in the Lord that He WILL help me.
I think thats something we must all ask the Lord. Because the devil is very sly, he will discuise anything, even good things, he will discuise to make you and me fall or to believe in false things.
Thanks, Aqua, I knew somebody would be diligent to catch that!
Sheep, that's a very good point. I've done just that on a regular basis for years, 'Just in case'! Currently dealing with a dear brother that has a wife that spun out & did a 180 on her walk with the Lord. Apparently genuinely saved, but simply nutted out, whether from hormonal imbalance, plus glandular problems, plus menopause, plus wrong meds and possibly hidden mental illness, whatever, she went about 7/8 cuckoo! No more Christian than Donald Duck right now, with a serious personality change!
In her case, and many others, the deceit seems to come in self, convincing me that I really am walking with Jesus, really am committed to the point of tortures and death, really am focused on Jesus first in all things. In that, lots of folks get off to a bad start, impressed with their own holy accomplishments while in truth setting their personal standards far too low, falling back into self rather than falling before His nail-scarred feet and headlong into His Word to get God's opinion.
There's a very large difference between a decision for Jesus and a total commitment to Jesus. The first is an opinion, but in the second you hold your own life hostage to your Heavenly Captor, while being thankful He paid the ransom on the cross.
Sheep, that's a very good point. I've done just that on a regular basis for years, 'Just in case'! Currently dealing with a dear brother that has a wife that spun out & did a 180 on her walk with the Lord. Apparently genuinely saved, but simply nutted out, whether from hormonal imbalance, plus glandular problems, plus menopause, plus wrong meds and possibly hidden mental illness, whatever, she went about 7/8 cuckoo! No more Christian than Donald Duck right now, with a serious personality change!
In her case, and many others, the deceit seems to come in self, convincing me that I really am walking with Jesus, really am committed to the point of tortures and death, really am focused on Jesus first in all things. In that, lots of folks get off to a bad start, impressed with their own holy accomplishments while in truth setting their personal standards far too low, falling back into self rather than falling before His nail-scarred feet and headlong into His Word to get God's opinion.
There's a very large difference between a decision for Jesus and a total commitment to Jesus. The first is an opinion, but in the second you hold your own life hostage to your Heavenly Captor, while being thankful He paid the ransom on the cross.
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An Excuse?
Does a person deceive himself or is it satan doing the deceiving - just to make it him -and not satan- who appears as the deceiver?
A deceived man is not deceived by another or is more than one man.
"Do you think a person can decieve themselves into thinking that they r saved when truly they are not?" -you ask.
I have no idea what heaven will be, could I be deceving myself to think I am worthy to be a part of God's Kingdom? Yes, absolutely.
Us christians can loose our place in God's Kingdom at any instance we may fall (on our own, or by another's deceiving).
Sincerely,
Tee-LOJ
Does a person deceive himself or is it satan doing the deceiving - just to make it him -and not satan- who appears as the deceiver?
A deceived man is not deceived by another or is more than one man.
"Do you think a person can decieve themselves into thinking that they r saved when truly they are not?" -you ask.
I have no idea what heaven will be, could I be deceving myself to think I am worthy to be a part of God's Kingdom? Yes, absolutely.
Us christians can loose our place in God's Kingdom at any instance we may fall (on our own, or by another's deceiving).
Sincerely,
Tee-LOJ
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Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
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No need to apologize, mate. I also once believed that this was an account of Paul meeting Jesus. But so far as we can tell, it is an account of Paul meeting a shining light which claimed to be Jesus.
It's ironic that Paul would simply accept the faceless shining light as Jesus and ironic that he would accept it as representing God. Paul, after his conversion to Christianity, preached that God canceled (Col 2:13-14, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18) the perfect (Psa 19:7) and eternal (Psa 119:152,160) laws he gave to the Jews and replaced them with "faith" in a human sacrifice called Jesus. These ideas and teachings directly contradict the teachings of Jesus, who declared He did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it (Matt 5:17), and also contradicted the Old Testament teachings, which is are supposed to be the word of God. If Paul was determined to preach his gospel in order to secure a position of favor with God then he made a huge assumption about the faceless shining light actually being from God.
Paul states:
2 Cor 11:12-14
But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Here, Paul claims that Satan himself can assume the form of an angel of light to deceive people. How could Paul be sure the faceless shining light and voice he experienced was actually Jesus?
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Thanks! Living proof from the Living Word of the True & Living God!
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May I contribute, concerning Saul of Tarsus? First, one must read exactly what the words say, not what it's imagined or desired that they say. That's as bad as a corrupted Bible with erroneous verses, intentionally designed to make you understand something far different from what correct Scripture actually says as it issues forth from God. There is the difference between reading with an open heart, or with a questioning critical eye: one searches for Truth, the other for error: with either one finding what they're looking for!
"And as he journeyed he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a great light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?" And he said, "Who art thou, Lord?" And the Lord said, "I AM Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks." And he, trembling and astonished said, "Lord, what will thou have me do?" And the Lord said unto him, "Arise, go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do." And the men who stood around him were speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. Acts 9:3-8
The light shone 'round about', from the heavens, not as a light of a 'shining being'.
The voice came from heaven, not from the light seen.
The voice called him by name, 'Saul'.
The Speaker of the voice from heaven identified himself by His ancient sacred name of the Great I Am, and Jesus: as One, 'I AM Jesus': the same who spoke to Moses at the burning bush to identify himself!
Jesus, and only Jesus, knew that Saul had been having very deep second thoughts from a guilty conscience, after hearing the words of Stephen and even holding his cloak, while watching him stoned to death, seeing the angelic smile on his face as he died: where Saul may well have been the very one that caused his death in martyrdom!
"It's hard to kick against the pricks [goads]." The pricks/goads were those sticks used to drive oxen, for a whack on the rump to encourage forward, but if especially obstinate beasts the sharp pointed end could jab the butt, hence 'the pricks' as they were called. Paul had been getting pricked in the heart and jabbed in the rump by conscience, and only God could know that, speaking after the Voice identified himself as that very God I AM of the Law of Moses, and as Jesus of The Way. The Old Law and the New Way came as One God before Saul, who would be called Paul after conversion: a name change just as with I AM becoming Jesus!
This 'I AM Jesus' had the Power to speak from heaven such that all would hear, just as I AM did before the children of Israel in the Exodus, and to strike him blind, and to shine the great Light, all from heaven and not an earthly domain.
I AM Jesus prophesied that he would be told what to do in the city, which only God could know.
"And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink."
So was the body of Jesus 3 days in the darkness of the grave, without sight, neither did He eat nor drink: until His Holy Spirit laid on Spiritual hands in the Power of God to raise Him up, and as Jesus said, that He would raise himself up, from death and the grave!
"And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him the Lord said in a vision, "Ananias." And he said, "Behold, I am here, Lord". And the Lord said unto him, "Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one Saul of Tarsus: for behold, he prayeth, And has seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he may receive his sight." Acts 9:10-12
Ananias is called by name, with specific & precise details for where to find a particular man, by a particular name, in a particular house, on a particular street, in a particular city, and that being one of the largest population centers of the time: either God, or impossible!
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting hands on him, said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest has sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost ." And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received his sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized." Acts 9:17-18
Exactly, precisely correct: the street, the house, the man, the name Saul, the knowledge of Saul's prior destination, and of his recent experience, the laying on of hands, restoration of sight, and all in the name of Lord Jesus I AM, in Perfection of fulfillment of 2 separate prophecies by the same I AM Jesus!
We must understand that in addition to the words given here in Scripture, Saul & Ananias undoubtedly had much further conversation in Damascus, 'Wow! THEN what happened?!!' etc. revealing every detail to those assembled, especially Saul. How come Saul was such a chump and dummy to fall for the old 'shining light' trick of Satan? I dunno, just plain stupid & gullible I guess. But seriously, it's obvious that the shining Light and Voice from heaven was far, far more dynamic than we can understand from these few words in Scripture, way beyond Satan's limited powers to whisper in the ear or cause problems, such that Saul was completely blown away, for life and all of eternity. So large an experience that it would entirely change the course of his life, causing him to lose virtually all of his worldly possession, to dedicate his whole life to Jesus, and finally to lay down his life as he suffered martyrdom for the Christ Jesus whom he loved!
This still may not make sense to a critical worldly view. Unfortunately a strongly secular 'professor' teaching Logic, or Philosophy or some similar courses will often pontificate and profess in lofty worldly knowledge, with a disdainful eye turned toward anything of God or Scripture, with just enough cleverness to introduce doubt to a weak mind or to shake a conviction that's fragile or not deeply rooted in the things of God in the first place.
Tusk comments:
"It's ironic that Paul would simply accept the faceless shining light as Jesus and ironic that he would accept it as representing God. Paul, after his conversion to Christianity, preached that God canceled (Col 2:13-14, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18) the perfect (Psa 19:7) and eternal (Psa 119:152,160) laws he gave to the Jews and replaced them with "faith" in a human sacrifice called Jesus. These ideas and teachings directly contradict the teachings of Jesus, who declared He did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it (Matt 5:17), and also contradicted the Old Testament teachings, which is are supposed to be the word of God. If Paul was determined to preach his gospel in order to secure a position of favor with God then he made a huge assumption about the faceless shining light actually being from God.
Paul states:
2 Cor 11:12-14
But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Here, Paul claims that Satan himself can assume the form of an angel of light to deceive people. How could Paul be sure the faceless shining light and voice he experienced was actually Jesus?
As for the other not addressed above: Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. Which Law? The Levitical Law of the priesthood, because the High Priest has come, even after the order of Melchisedec, and Law of sacrifice for sin, because the Perfect Sacrifice is made once for all.
It was the Levitical Ordinances that were put away, not the Law of 10 Commandments of God nor the command to live in righteousness before Him continually.
Colossians 2:13-14 specifically says 'ordinances'. Jesus fulfilled the 637 Levitical Ordinances that directed the exact method of sacrifice for sin, by providing himself a sacrifice for sin, once, for all, forever. The Law of 10 Commandments are still in full effect if they are broken intentionally with full disregard for God. Far as I know, they are all, each one, impossible to break by accident because each is a sin of the human will carrying out an act in selfish unrighteousness.
Romans 10:4 indeed properly explains the sacrifice of Jesus and its power over sin, Perfect and once for ALL, but it is clearly conditional: if one carries on to read all of Romans 12 and 13, where we are warned variously to "...present your bodies a living sacrifice...be not conformed to this world...not to think of himself more highly than he ought...abhor that which is evil...not slothful in business...distributing to the neccessity of the saints...curse not...mind not high things...recompense to no man evil for evil...provide things honest in the sight of men...live peaceably with all men...avenge not yourselves...be not overcome of evil...be subject unto the higher powers, for there is no power but of God, the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation."
"But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for He beareth not the sword in vain: for He is the Minister of God, a revenger to wrath upon him that doeth evil...owe no man anything but to love one another, for he that loveth another hath fullfilled the law..Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet...walk honestly, not in rioting and drunkeness, not in chambering and wantoness, not in strife or envying...every one of us shall give an account before the Lord." Romans 12 & 13 excerpts
He also says in Romans, "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against ALL ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; For God hath showed it unto them." Certainly implies that professing 'Believing' Christians may be suject to God's wrath if they choose to live unrighteous or sinful lives in defiance of Him.
Galations 5:18 says "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law." so, we're FREE FREE FREE to do anything we want! Except for what it says in the rest of that chapter immediately following, that the works of the flesh are: adultery, fornication, uncleaness, lasciviousness, idolatry, withcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkeness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in times past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God." Galations 5:16-22 excerpts
Does that sound like ALL are FREE of ALL the LAW?
Seems pretty clear there is still a lot 'Law' to follow? But instead of precise Levitical Ordinances for sacrifice for sin, which are of no more use and put away now that the Perfect Sacrifice has come, He will '...write my laws in their hearts and in their minds.' Instead of the old LAW we now must follow, and that's must follow, His Eternal Perfect Spiritual Law, guided by the Holy Spirit, resident in our hearts and minds and spirits, in His Eternal Law of Love and Truth and Goodness.
The tremendous contradiction proposed is imagined, because it isn't there. The contradiction is directly due to misunderstanding what is written, because of a lack of a full knowledge of the meaning of God's Word, gotten by reading it cover to cover in order, several times, and then studied in depth. In addition, for someone who cares to know, the Reference type Bible shows every cross reference of a verse, where another verse in Scripture further explains the concept studied.
"It's ironic that Paul would simply accept the faceless shining light as Jesus and ironic that he would accept it as representing God. Paul, after his conversion to Christianity, preached that God canceled (Col 2:13-14, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18) the perfect (Psa 19:7) and eternal (Psa 119:152,160) laws he gave to the Jews and replaced them with "faith" in a human sacrifice called Jesus. These ideas and teachings directly contradict the teachings of Jesus, who declared He did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it (Matt 5:17), and also contradicted the Old Testament teachings, which is are supposed to be the word of God. If Paul was determined to preach his gospel in order to secure a position of favor with God then he made a huge assumption about the faceless shining light actually being from God.
Paul states:
2 Cor 11:12-14
But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Here, Paul claims that Satan himself can assume the form of an angel of light to deceive people. How could Paul be sure the faceless shining light and voice he experienced was actually Jesus?
As for the other not addressed above: Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. Which Law? The Levitical Law of the priesthood, because the High Priest has come, even after the order of Melchisedec, and Law of sacrifice for sin, because the Perfect Sacrifice is made once for all.
It was the Levitical Ordinances that were put away, not the Law of 10 Commandments of God nor the command to live in righteousness before Him continually.
Colossians 2:13-14 specifically says 'ordinances'. Jesus fulfilled the 637 Levitical Ordinances that directed the exact method of sacrifice for sin, by providing himself a sacrifice for sin, once, for all, forever. The Law of 10 Commandments are still in full effect if they are broken intentionally with full disregard for God. Far as I know, they are all, each one, impossible to break by accident because each is a sin of the human will carrying out an act in selfish unrighteousness.
Romans 10:4 indeed properly explains the sacrifice of Jesus and its power over sin, Perfect and once for ALL, but it is clearly conditional: if one carries on to read all of Romans 12 and 13, where we are warned variously to "...present your bodies a living sacrifice...be not conformed to this world...not to think of himself more highly than he ought...abhor that which is evil...not slothful in business...distributing to the neccessity of the saints...curse not...mind not high things...recompense to no man evil for evil...provide things honest in the sight of men...live peaceably with all men...avenge not yourselves...be not overcome of evil...be subject unto the higher powers, for there is no power but of God, the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation."
"But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for He beareth not the sword in vain: for He is the Minister of God, a revenger to wrath upon him that doeth evil...owe no man anything but to love one another, for he that loveth another hath fullfilled the law..Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet...walk honestly, not in rioting and drunkeness, not in chambering and wantoness, not in strife or envying...every one of us shall give an account before the Lord." Romans 12 & 13 excerpts
He also says in Romans, "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against ALL ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; For God hath showed it unto them." Certainly implies that professing 'Believing' Christians may be suject to God's wrath if they choose to live unrighteous or sinful lives in defiance of Him.
Galations 5:18 says "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law." so, we're FREE FREE FREE to do anything we want! Except for what it says in the rest of that chapter immediately following, that the works of the flesh are: adultery, fornication, uncleaness, lasciviousness, idolatry, withcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkeness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in times past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God." Galations 5:16-22 excerpts
Does that sound like ALL are FREE of ALL the LAW?
Seems pretty clear there is still a lot 'Law' to follow? But instead of precise Levitical Ordinances for sacrifice for sin, which are of no more use and put away now that the Perfect Sacrifice has come, He will '...write my laws in their hearts and in their minds.' Instead of the old LAW we now must follow, and that's must follow, His Eternal Perfect Spiritual Law, guided by the Holy Spirit, resident in our hearts and minds and spirits, in His Eternal Law of Love and Truth and Goodness.
The tremendous contradiction proposed is imagined, because it isn't there. The contradiction is directly due to misunderstanding what is written, because of a lack of a full knowledge of the meaning of God's Word, gotten by reading it cover to cover in order, several times, and then studied in depth. In addition, for someone who cares to know, the Reference type Bible shows every cross reference of a verse, where another verse in Scripture further explains the concept studied.
Thanks, Aqua, I knew somebody would be diligent to catch that!
Sheep, that's a very good point. I've done just that on a regular basis for years, 'Just in case'! Currently dealing with a dear brother that has a wife that spun out & did a 180 on her walk with the Lord. Apparently genuinely saved, but simply nutted out, whether from hormonal imbalance, plus glandular problems, plus menopause, plus wrong meds and possibly hidden mental illness, whatever, she went about 7/8 cuckoo! No more Christian than Donald Duck right now, with a serious personality change!
In her case, and many others, the deceit seems to come in self, convincing me that I really am walking with Jesus, really am committed to the point of tortures and death, really am focused on Jesus first in all things. In that, lots of folks get off to a bad start, impressed with their own holy accomplishments while in truth setting their personal standards far too low, falling back into self rather than falling before His nail-scarred feet and headlong into His Word to get God's opinion.
There's a very large difference between a decision for Jesus and a total commitment to Jesus. The first is an opinion, but in the second you hold your own life hostage to your Heavenly Captor, while being thankful He paid the ransom on the cross.[/QUOTE]
JDFree
Thanks for sharing this with me. I am always so thankfull to be able to know more about Jesus. A sheep can never know too much about his/her Shepherd.
About the woman you've been talking about. I will pray for her. But you'll might think I'm coocoo but that sounds like nothing else than a demon that got to her, a serious one at that matter. I you are willing to take a change or let me say do it for Jesus. Get het to listen to "the blood of Jesus" the song. I she gets really angry, then there's deffinitely a demon in her and Jesus said we must cast it out in His Almighty Name.
Sounds like there's some work for you to do my brother. Don't worry one bit. Jesus is always holding your hand every step of the way.
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Ps: hope I replied in the correct way, still learning on how to use these links and stuff (Talk Jesus)
Sheep, that's a very good point. I've done just that on a regular basis for years, 'Just in case'! Currently dealing with a dear brother that has a wife that spun out & did a 180 on her walk with the Lord. Apparently genuinely saved, but simply nutted out, whether from hormonal imbalance, plus glandular problems, plus menopause, plus wrong meds and possibly hidden mental illness, whatever, she went about 7/8 cuckoo! No more Christian than Donald Duck right now, with a serious personality change!
In her case, and many others, the deceit seems to come in self, convincing me that I really am walking with Jesus, really am committed to the point of tortures and death, really am focused on Jesus first in all things. In that, lots of folks get off to a bad start, impressed with their own holy accomplishments while in truth setting their personal standards far too low, falling back into self rather than falling before His nail-scarred feet and headlong into His Word to get God's opinion.
There's a very large difference between a decision for Jesus and a total commitment to Jesus. The first is an opinion, but in the second you hold your own life hostage to your Heavenly Captor, while being thankful He paid the ransom on the cross.[/QUOTE]
JDFree
Thanks for sharing this with me. I am always so thankfull to be able to know more about Jesus. A sheep can never know too much about his/her Shepherd.
About the woman you've been talking about. I will pray for her. But you'll might think I'm coocoo but that sounds like nothing else than a demon that got to her, a serious one at that matter. I you are willing to take a change or let me say do it for Jesus. Get het to listen to "the blood of Jesus" the song. I she gets really angry, then there's deffinitely a demon in her and Jesus said we must cast it out in His Almighty Name.
Sounds like there's some work for you to do my brother. Don't worry one bit. Jesus is always holding your hand every step of the way.
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Ps: hope I replied in the correct way, still learning on how to use these links and stuff (Talk Jesus)
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I would like to add Paul was not the only one who attested to his genuine conversion.Luke wrote acts and recorded the actual event and Peter later gave written witness of the authenticity of Paul's writings and his status as a Christian.2 Peter 3:15-16.Notice Peter states some of Paul's writings are hard to understand.
Remember also the fruit of Paul's life after encountering Lord Jesus is evidence of the Author of his faith.He witnessed ,evangelised,baptised, healed and confessed all to his Lord.
Blessings.
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Paul did indeed meet Christ on the road to Damascus.
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Jesus preached t the Jews (men of the Old Covenant ) and to the lost my friend. Paul was used to speak to the church (born again members of the New Covenant).
Thank you very much for your heart! It is sad indeed, because she left about 6 months ago, entirely unstable since. Matter of fact, a loose canon before, and this turned out to be her normal pattern in her life and marriages before this current 'marriage'. Too busy feeling sorry for herself in emptiness of self, which yawning void stands wide open to any words of 'Poor baby...' coming from any source: including those with pointy horns so quick to enter in!
Dramatic change in her prayer life, changed churches suddenly right after, moved in with a couple of non-Christian women of questionable viewpoint and lifestyle, derails every session of Christian Marriage Counseling, angry about everything, the whole works!
He and I fought the idea for a long time but now very clear that you're absolutely right: nothing but demonic possession! I've seen and experienced firsthand the amazing manifestations of that in others, seeing it here again. The sad thing for me is they live a very long distance away and I can't go visit or have any direct involvement.
Thankfully, prayer is every bit as effective 'Long Distance' as at the tip of our fingers, to them that Believe, as our God will be wherever He Wills to be known!!
Blessings to you!
To all: if you have a spare prayer or two laying around, please offer it up for this lost child to be found by the Shepherd of our souls!
JDFree
