How Do I Put on the Armor of God?

[B-A-C]

Paul preached Christ and him crucified. We preach Jesus and him Resurrected. There is a difference.

There definitely is a difference. But one leads to the other.
You can't be resurrected, unless you die first. Of course in this case, it's a spiritual death to self, not really a physical death.

1 Corinthians 15:36 (NASB95)​

“You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies;”

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John 12:24 (NASB95)​

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.”

Galatians 2:20 (NASB95):

“I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me…”

Luke 9:23 (NASB95):

“If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.”

So while Jesus is physically resurrected... we aren't... at least not yet. However...

Romans 6:4 (NASB95)

“Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.”

Ephesians 2:4–6 (NASB95)

“But God, being rich in mercy... even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ... and raised us up with Him…”

Colossians 3:1 (NASB95)

“Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is…”

 

[Rhema]

... impropriety by one so chosen !

You mean Paul's visitation in the dessert by an angel of light calling itself Jesus?

We have only Paul's testimony for that. And all three accounts in Acts contradict the others.

I know what I have studied. Others do not study yet say they know. There are concerns that no one has addressed. And you would scold me into silence? Leave in a huff? How does any of that help us find Truth?

But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.​

- Galatians 1:11-12 KJV

Why?

Why would Paul need a "revelation" of Jesus Christ? Was Jesus too inept to ensure that his Apostles knew and taught the core tenets of the Gospel?

But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.​

- Galatians 1:15-19 KJV

Yet the account given in Acts says otherwise:

Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket. And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple. But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem.​

- Acts 9:25-28 KJV

And Paul claims to be the only one who knows the Gospel.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.​

- Galatians 1:8-9 KJV

As I've often said before, I am an Acts 2:38 Christian, and need no other Word than those taught by Christ Jesus. Not Paul, not the Pope, not Joseph Smith, not Charles Taze Russel, not Mary Baker Eddy, not Ellen White, not Billy Graham.

And your disdain for my Faith as a Red Letter Christian doesn't bother me one bit.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

There definitely is a difference.

Thank you. Most people deny that the Gospel preached by Paul is different than that preached by Jesus.

But one leads to the other.

No it doesn't. One is an adulteration of the other.

You can't be resurrected, unless you die first. Of course in this case, it's a spiritual death to self, not really a physical death.

When have I ever denied that one must be "born from the beginning" (the literal Greek)?

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.​

- Mark 1:14-15 KJV

If Jesus came preaching the Gospel, then the Gospel is what Jesus preached and none other. Anything else is an adulteration.

Luke 9:23 (NASB95):

We disagree on the translation here. It's not take up your cross, but take away your cross.

But quoting Paul to somehow prove that Paul is right, is by definition circular logic.

Thank you, but I think I shall embrace the teachings (LOGOS) of the Messiah (Xhrist) and Him only. After His resurrection Jesus never said once to be on the lookout for a replacement Apostle to whom He would teach the correct Gospel.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Twistie]

Neither.

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.​

- Acts 2:37-39 KJV

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:​

- Luke 6:46-47 KJV

Paul preached Christ and him crucified. We preach Jesus and him Resurrected. There is a difference.

Agape,
Rhema

It is so very obvious your taught of the flesh @Rhema
Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan's so-called deep secrets, 'I will not impose any other burden on you, except to hold on to what you have until I come. '

You e not only been taught them you have enveloped yourself so much in them you have become filled with pride..

Fyi you sound like the serpent of Eden most times

J.s.

So ya know I won't even know if you respond to this I know your arrogance n so I turn from you most the times.

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[Garee]

Blind faith is shameful.

Blind faith is dead. The faith that comes from hearing sola scriptura is alive

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

 

[Rhema]

@Rhema,

You should be ashamed to even suggest impropriety by one so chosen !
If you continue to do this. I for one will leave the forum for good.

Ma'am, it was certainly not my intent to upset you so. Please accept my apologies.

Instead of leaving the forum for good, if my posts and questions upset you so, please just put me on ignore.

I know our viewpoints radically differ, to the point where I see James tricking Paul into being arrested and sent to Rome.

But I do not venerate Paul as a saint nor do I see his writings as as inerrant.

That said, Paul's sermon in Acts 13 perfectly reflects the Gospel taught by Jesus and preached by Peter. But Paul's message changed during the latter part of his ministry, and that causes me great concern. There was a reason why Paul had to write this:

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.​

- 1 Corinthians 1:10-12 KJV

I have often wondered if this was about the time that Mark and Q were published, followed by Matthew, which led Paul to encourage Luke to set the matter straight.

There were many baptized by Jesus and his disciples who lived in Galilee and not part of the Jerusalem church or Paul's converts.

God bless,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

It is so very obvious your taught of the flesh @Rhema
Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan's so-called deep secrets, 'I will not impose any other burden on you, except to hold on to what you have until I come. '

You e not only been taught them you have enveloped yourself so much in them you have become filled with pride..

Fyi you sound like the serpent of Eden most times

J.s.

So ya know I won't even know if you respond to this I know your arrogance n so I turn from you most the times.

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But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.​

- 1 Corinthians 4:3 KJV

 

[Deep Seeker]

There definitely is a difference. But one leads to the other.
You can't be resurrected, unless you die first. Of course in this case, it's a spiritual death to self, not really a physical death.

1 Corinthians 15:36 (NASB95)​

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John 12:24 (NASB95)​

Galatians 2:20 (NASB95):



Luke 9:23 (NASB95):



So while Jesus is physically resurrected... we aren't... at least not yet. However...

Romans 6:4 (NASB95)



Ephesians 2:4–6 (NASB95)



Colossians 3:1 (NASB95)

I wounder how many of US do?

 

[Deep Seeker]

BLIND FAITH


Is There a blind faith?
I read of people talking about; Blind Faith. What is blind faith? Can One have faith and It be unknown?

I see the argument as One that is lacking understanding. This is a BIG problem when reading Bible scriptures also!

First, what is a Figure Of Speech?

A figure of speech is when One thing is used to more vividly express what the object being discussed is. If I say: Lok: " They are like birds on high. This does mean that They are birds; rather; They have the ability to soar above the land.
Unfortunately, many are not even aware of, Figures Of Speech. This Writer did not know about Them for a long time. Then The Spirit of God, added this understanding to Me also!
It is absolutely necessary for The Bible Student to be aware, and understand Figure Of Speech 1 Otherwise much false conclusions will be had.
It is hoped that This short Writing will be of a help to Those seeking deeper understanding of The Bible Text.

 

[Rhema]

What is blind faith?

You can't be serious.

It is absolutely necessary for The Bible Student to be aware, and understand Figure Of Speech

Hard to disagree with this, as Paul's thorn in the flesh was a pain in the neck.

 

[Bill]

God is a Spirit. God does not have armor.
So therefore you cannot put on the armor of God, because He has none. I would recommend that you would just concern yourself with obeying whatever He command you. Then you don't got to worry about having armor or any adversity.

To be quite honest with you, I think God is not spirit either but that's the only way that we describe him or have words for what God is.

We call the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit. But my best understanding of what the Holy Spirit really is - it is the Love between the Father and the Son, and the Holy Spirit is its own entity.

Now I understand this might be a little bit high brow for you, but if you remember God created spirit. So how can a spirit create itself? I'm sorry I just tend to be a little logical in these things

 

[Garee]

You can't be serious.


Hard to disagree with this, as Paul's thorn in the flesh was a pain in the neck.

LOL Brother. a pain in the neck of who, Paul a pain in yours???

Yes, sola scriptura the sting of death the letter of the law (Romans 7:6)

Thorns and thistles a pain that blinded Paul.

Better things accompanied the gospel . . . the opening of his eyes

Hebrew 6:8-10;But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.;But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.;For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

We have only Paul's testimony for that. And all three accounts in Acts contradict the others.

Paul's as Saul before being born again from above by our invisible Holy Father's testimony

Paul's testimony . . . . Acts 22 ;And I persecuted this (Christian) way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.
;As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.

One gospel as the testimony of one God not the gospel of Mathew, Luke, John, Peter, Mary, etc. They are recipients of it not the foundation

Why destroy the meaning of apostle???The first Abel.

 

[Leumas]

To be quite honest with you, I think God is not spirit either but that's the only way that we describe him or have words for what God is.

We call the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit. But my best understanding of what the Holy Spirit really is - it is the Love between the Father and the Son, and the Holy Spirit is its own entity.

Now I understand this might be a little bit high brow for you, but if you remember God created spirit. So how can a spirit create itself? I'm sorry I just tend to be a little logical in these things

Don't fret yourself
I'm not going to pay you in your mind

 

[Rhema]

God created spirit.

That's an interesting claim. Where did that come from?

 

[Bill]

That's an interesting claim. Where did that come from?

Are we not body Mind and Spirit? Yet God created us. And we are created in the image of God, but we are not God or gods

Remember what Jesus said in the Beatitudes. Love God with all your heart love God with all your mind love God with all your spirit and with all your strengths. So we know that God created us in our mind our heart and spirit

 

[Rhema]

Are we not body Mind and Spirit?

No. That's Greek philosophy that Hellenistic Jews such as Paul pulled into the Faith.

The OT pattern is different.

And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.​

(Genesis 2:7 DRB)

Man = You = Soul = Body + Spirit (that came from God)

At death, the Body returns to dust (or slime), and the Spirit is subsumed back into God from whence it had come. The "you" is to be resurrected at some point in the future, if ....

There is nothing to suggest that God creates new human spirits at birth.

but we are not God or gods

Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law: I said, you are gods? If he called them gods to whom the word of God was spoken; and the scripture cannot be broken: Do you say of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest; because I said: I am the Son of God?​

(John 10:34-36 DRB)

Speak for yourself kind sir.

Remember what Jesus said in the Beatitudes.

That's not in the Beatitudes (cf. Mat 5:3-12)

Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and with thy whole soul and with thy whole mind.​

(Matthew 22:37 DRB)

So we know that God created us in our mind our heart and spirit

These are rather poor English words to use for the Greek, but I'm not inclined to write a full essay tonight.

God created us to have what we call a mind, heart, and spirit, but all that is part of your soul.

Agape,
Rhema

 

[Garee]

No. That's Greek philosophy that Hellenistic Jews such as Paul pulled into the Faith.

The OT pattern is different.

The words spoken by Paul the prophet after his born-again conversion are not of his own self. Paul has no power of his own.

No such thing as a gospel of Thomas. Or book of Enoch

There is nothing to suggest that God creates new human spirits at birth.

Nothing that suggest the dying spirit of the world, but the born-again spirit which is of God

He creates new spirits that have eternal life. not subject to the letter of the law death.

The man without the born-again Spirit of Christ cannot please God.

1 Corinthians 2:12 ;Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

That's not in the Beatitudes (cf. Mat 5:3-12)

Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and with thy whole soul and with thy whole mind.(Matthew 22:37 DRB)

Will you try anything to make Sola scriptura without effect? Why try? What's the hope?. Hidden promise from Thomas?

Is not the whole bible the beauty of the gospel is not every word beatiful wonderful?

You offered one of the beauties I will offer another part of the Blessed below

Mathew 5:11; Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

How beatiful were the feet of the apostle Paul previously Saul who hated the living word called all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) Calling it a heresy or lie So they could add whatsoever their own mouth says with false prophecy their own personal addition like the gospel of Thomas or Book of Enoch.

It is simply the father of lies with all lying power to cause men to wonder, wonder, wonder as if true prophecy.

It is why a word Rhema a word or utterance that signifies.an action. . the law of powerful faith. The faithful powerful "let there be" action and "it was God alone good"

His word (sola scriptura) is a lamp unto our beautiful feet

Song of Solomon 7:1How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.

Isaiah 52:7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? (apostle) as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

.Don't be like Peter the serial denier who was ashamed of the gospel (sola scriptura) and refused Christ from washing his feet. but insisted on adding oral traditions to what the Spirit said (sola scriptura)

John 13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.

Peter the denier had a change of mind and stopped adding false prophecy.

John 13:9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.

Be a Paul today not a Peter

Mathew 16:22-23;Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.;But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Why savoir the things of men?