Hell and Christianity

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Seems far to many Believers are down playing what hell really s and what it will be like. You do good to remember that hell was created for Satan and not people however if you refuse to accept The blood of Christ for your sins then hell will be your place of eternity and it is not easier for people.
God Bless
James W

 

[KingJ]

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[KingJ]

Seems far to many Believers are down playing what hell really s and what it will be like. You do good to remember that hell was created for Satan and not people however if you refuse to accept The blood of Christ for your sins then hell will be your place of eternity and it is not easier for people.
God Bless
James W

So God never expected humans to go there?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

So God never expected humans to go there?

Once again you have a edited your post and changed what you said after the fact.
I refuse to play your games anymore.
God bless

 

[KingJ]

Once again you have a edited your post and changed what you said after the fact.
I refuse to play your games anymore.
God bless

It was a double post and an edit. The edit was '''you think God making it for satan means He only made it for satan''.

You want the reader to imagine a cruel place as '''God made it for satan''. That is just bad language skills and making a point from thin air.

If you saw my edit feel free to repost it.

Is this an attempt to dodge the question? It is quite valid. You are making a rather extreme accusation at my God....

 

[Ophel]

So God never expected humans to go there?

Try taking Jesus' word for it:

Matthew 25:41
“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.


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[Wired 4 Fishen]

It was a double post and an edit. The edit was '''you think God making it for satan means He only made it for satan''.

You want the reader to imagine a cruel place as '''God made it for satan''. That is just bad language skills and making a point from thin air.

If you saw my edit feel free to repost it.

Is this an attempt to dodge the question? It is quite valid. You are making a rather extreme accusation at my God....

Kj the only reason I even brought up the edit for you do it a lot in here and CFS etc. You bait people and once they reply your post has been changed and then you make a big deal out of it. I was warned by mods in CFS about this and did not pay much attention to it, but at last I saw it as it caused three to be banned for a short time. That is All I will say.
I do not hold this against you and forgave you but wanted to let you know that it is known by many.

Now please if you are going to post the things of Gods word, please post His truth and not your reasoning of thinking.

Scriupture says.....go into hell, into the fire that shall NEVER be quenched - where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched. That is but one example. Bro they ain't talken about a camp fire and roasting marshmellows and gummie worms.
God bless
James W

 

[KingJ]

Kj the only reason I even brought up the edit for you do it a lot in here and CFS etc. You bait people and once they reply your post has been changed and then you make a big deal out of it. I was warned by mods in CFS about this and did not pay much attention to it, but at last I saw it as it caused three to be banned for a short time. That is All I will say.
I do not hold this against you and forgave you but wanted to let you know that it is known by many.

Now please if you are going to post the things of Gods word, please post His truth and not your reasoning of thinking.

Scriupture says.....go into hell, into the fire that shall NEVER be quenched - where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched. That is but one example. Bro they ain't talken about a camp fire and roasting marshmellows and gummie worms.
God bless
James W

I think the mods told you to wait until the 15min edit window is up. You are more then welcome to quote anything I edit. I see you are still dodging the question I asked.

I got three people banned? Tell me how exactly does that work? Do I type on their behalf?

The problem is that when people hold onto a pet theory they get ugly. If you know / have the truth there is absolutely no reason to talk ugly to someone else. God defends the truth, not us. Hence, as far as Christian debating / disagreements go, whoever gets ugly first clearly loses..... Jesus would never do such.

 

[Bendito]

Yes, trying is very important. We cannot do it by our efforts, but I believe that God will add to us whatever is necessary if we are really sincerely trying to please Him. If, on the other hand, we don't try to please God we will, I believe, lose out with God.

Actually, brother, there is no place in the bible that says we should try....There is a lot, however, that says we should Do...

 

[Bendito]

I don't have a problem with hell. But I do have a real problem with what people expect in hell.

There needs to be a hell. Since many hate God and cannot be with Him. It is literally as simple as that. People hate God. The devil has been sinning from the beginning. He wants to hate God. He does not ever want to repent and serve anyone but himself.

But what exactly happens there? I will cut to the chase. I disagree with any idea that God will torture anyone there. There is no example in the entire bible of God torturing His enemy yet so many assume it is en route to those that go to hell. God speaks of hell from His vantage point. He says someone in sin is currently in death. Has no peace. Well that person in sin will disagree. He is living it up. God is not lying. God just grasps what that person in sin does not.

God tells us to love our enemies because He hates His? When we understand that God loves His enemies but just can't be with them. We can better understand what exactly awaits them. We all know of the Geneva convention. I propose that if we can treat our enemies that hate us so well, God can do better.

When we imagine God torturing people and angels... how exactly would God be better then the devil? We must all remember that after WW2 the Germans ran to the West because they were afraid of the Russians. Now are we to equate our God with the Russians over the West? (Please no Godwins law).

I answer only a part of this my friend;
You're right..God does not torture those in hell....And people do not hate God of their own volition. They are led into hating God...Man cannot sin without help, believe it or not... James 1:14-15 (CJB)
14 Rather, each person is being tempted whenever he is being dragged off and enticed by the bait of his own desire. 15 Then, having conceived, the desire gives birth to sin; and when sin is fully grown, it gives birth to death.

Man can only sin when Satan and his cohorts draws him into it...
Hell was never made for humans...Hell was made for Satan and his followers...If however people choose to follow Satan they follow him all the way....and once there....Oh! Hell! Satan still hates them big time, and he won't leave them untouched

 

[Bendito]

Try taking Jesus' word for it:

Matthew 25:41
“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.


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So who are these cursed ones? Those who chose to follow Satan...Those who chose the curse of sin rather than the blessing and life... They follow their father the devil..

 

[Ophel]

So who are these cursed ones? Those who chose to follow Satan...Those who chose the curse of sin rather than the blessing and life... They follow their father the devil..

Correct, and the point of me using that verse used here is to show that hell/LoF is a creation of God meant for the final dispatch of Satan and his millions of minions at the end of all things. It was not created for people, but as people align themselves with their true father, the devil, then they will have to be assigned a place with him forever.


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[KingJ]

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I answer only a part of this my friend;
You're right..God does not torture those in hell....1. And people do not hate God of their own volition. They are led into hating God...Man cannot sin without help, believe it or not... James 1:14-15 (CJB)
14 Rather, each person is being tempted whenever he is being dragged off and enticed by the bait of his own desire. 15 Then, having conceived, the desire gives birth to sin; and when sin is fully grown, it gives birth to death.

Man can only sin when Satan and his cohorts draws him into it...

2. Hell was never made for humans...Hell was made for Satan and his followers...If however people choose to follow Satan they follow him all the way....and once there....Oh! Hell!

3. Satan still hates them big time, and he won't leave them untouched

1. The scripture you quoted says their 'own desire'.

2. Just because it was made for satan and the fallen angels does not mean it was not made for us. Australia was a place made for prisoners.

Why is everyone's first assumption of this statement bad? I read it 100% in the other direction. The fact that God is 100% fine with putting humans in a place he originally prepared for angels...means it must have never been a cruel place for them angels in the first place.

3. That is an assumption. We are able to keep the worst prisoners away from the others, why not God? I believe some fallen angels will have positions of power in hell. But not the devil. Before being thrown into hell, the devil is stripped of all his power before Jesus and the angels.

 

[Bendito]

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1. The scripture you quoted says their 'own desire'.

2. Just because it was made for satan and the fallen angels does not mean it was not made for us. Australia was a place made for prisoners.

Why is everyone's first assumption of this statement bad? I read it 100% in the other direction. The fact that God is 100% fine with putting humans in a place he originally prepared for angels...means it must have never been a cruel place for them angels in the first place.

3. That is an assumption. We are able to keep the worst prisoners away from the others, why not God? I believe some fallen angels will have positions of power in hell. But not the devil. Before being thrown into hell, the devil is stripped of all his power before Jesus and the angels.

You said "The scripture you quoted says their 'own desire'."

The scripture I quoted said "Rather, each person is being tempted whenever he is being dragged off and enticed by the bait of his own desire" It says that we are baited with the use of our own desires..Satan gives us a desire then baits us with it...You really need to read the entire verse...before you answer..

You said "Just because it was made for satan and the fallen angels does not mean it was not made for us. Australia was a place made for prisoners."

Matthew 25:41 tells us that Hell was prepared for the Devil and his angels. That’s why such a place was prepared in the first place. Now you answer this question.....If God made hell for people why did Jesus die for all people? He is not willing that any be lost. And Australia was not made for prisoners....Australia was there before England found it.

You said "Why is everyone's first assumption of this statement bad? I read it 100% in the other direction. The fact that God is 100% fine with putting humans in a place he originally prepared for angels...means it must have never been a cruel place for them angels in the first place."

God is NOT fine with putting people into hell. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. God does NOT put any human into hell...The people that go there reject God..They reject life...By rejecting God they choose to follow Satan...There is no place for them but hell...and they choose to go with their father Satan. If God sent just one person to hell, Jesus sacrifice would be wasted and the Father would be guilty of murder...


You said "That is an assumption. We are able to keep the worst prisoners away from the others, why not God? I believe some fallen angels will have positions of power in hell. But not the devil. Before being thrown into hell, the devil is stripped of all his power before Jesus and the angels"

Hmmm This is an assumption No scripture to back it up.. You said "We are able to keep the worst prisoners away from the others, why not God?" I'm not sure what you mean by that statement..Could you clarify?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

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1. The scripture you quoted says their 'own desire'.

2. Just because it was made for satan and the fallen angels does not mean it was not made for us. Australia was a place made for prisoners.

Why is everyone's first assumption of this statement bad? I read it 100% in the other direction. The fact that God is 100% fine with putting humans in a place he originally prepared for angels...means it must have never been a cruel place for them angels in the first place.

3. That is an assumption. We are able to keep the worst prisoners away from the others, why not God? I believe some fallen angels will have positions of power in hell. But not the devil. Before being thrown into hell, the devil is stripped of all his power before Jesus and the angels.

Kj,
1..own desire means they chose NOT to accept Christ as their Lord Savior - thus there ticket to hell
2..God does NOT place any one in hell. He is not fine with it it. Scripture says God desires ALL men to be saved.
3..Jesus already stripped Satan of his power. We have to give him a way into our affairs.

Why can't you simply believe what is written in Gods word?
God Bless
James W

 

[Bendito]

Kj,
1..own desire means they chose NOT to accept Christ as their Lord Savior - thus there ticket to hell
2..God does NOT place any one in hell. He is not fine with it it. Scripture says God desires ALL men to be saved.
3..Jesus already stripped Satan of his power. We have to give him a way into our affairs.

Why can't you simply believe what is written in Gods word?
God Bless
James W

LOL Thanks for the echo my friend....

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

LOL Thanks for the echo my friend....

Yea well my friend I am now using the keyboard on the tablet and not the one separate from the tablet on the case. Did not know that I could miss a key board so much. I have about an inch and a half viewing window as I type now and it is slower then slow this way. Lol

Then again.......we both know the truth.......truth truth truth ( echo )

 

[KingJ]

Kj,
1..own desire means they chose NOT to accept Christ as their Lord Savior - thus there ticket to hell
2..God does NOT place any one in hell. He is not fine with it it. Scripture says God desires ALL men to be saved.
3..Jesus already stripped Satan of his power. We have to give him a way into our affairs.

Why can't you simply believe what is written in Gods word?
God Bless
James W

1. Please read the post before just replying. Bendito made the statement ''Man can only sin when Satan and his cohorts draws him into it'' The scripture used as support contradicted this.

2. This is completely unrelated to my pt 2. But on this point you made you are wrong. God does whatever pleases Him Psalm 135:6. It pleases Him to place those that hate Him in hell. The fact that He desires all to be saved is a separate issue.

3. There are two verses on this. 1. He lost power when Jesus took the keys / defeated / removed his power in a spiritual sense. 2. He stands before Jesus and the host of angels and is literally stripped of all power.

 

[KingJ]

You said "The scripture you quoted says their 'own desire'."

The scripture I quoted said "Rather, each person is being tempted whenever he is being dragged off and enticed by the bait of his own desire" It says that we are baited with the use of our own desires..Satan gives us a desire then baits us with it...You really need to read the entire verse...before you answer..

You are doing it again . The verse says ''enticed by the bait of his own desire''. You say ''satan gives us a desire then baits us with it''. Do you have a scripture for what you are saying?

Now you answer this question.....If God made hell for people why did Jesus die for all people? He is not willing that any be lost. And Australia was not made for prisoners....Australia was there before England found it.

God died for all because He is as good as He is omniscient. He cannot but give all free will. Partiality is evil and it does not exist in Him. If God was not willing that any be lost, none would be lost.

God knew that most would reject Jesus when He planned the cross before the foundations of the earth. So God knew hell had to cater for them. This discussion does get rather confusing when thinking about God's omniscience.

You are just moving the goal posts on the example with Australia. Please try grasp the point.

God is NOT fine with putting people into hell. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. God does NOT put any human into hell...The people that go there reject God..They reject life...By rejecting God they choose to follow Satan...There is no place for them but hell...and they choose to go with their father Satan. If God sent just one person to hell, Jesus sacrifice would be wasted and the Father would be guilty of murder...

I agree with most of this, but you are missing the point made.

Hmmm This is an assumption No scripture to back it up.. You said "We are able to keep the worst prisoners away from the others, why not God?" I'm not sure what you mean by that statement..Could you clarify?

I said ''I believe''. I am not stating my assumption as fact. As you and Jim are doing with the insinuation that '''hell is a cruel place because it was made for satan''. I base my belief off lateral thought from 2 Pet 2:4 ''some angels were sent straight to hell'' + we are created beneath them. It seems there are really bad fallen angels and then not so bad fallen angels.

 

[LordKnows]

Hell IS real & in no way shape or form does God or will God EVER "torture". He disciplines & punishes who he loves but he would never torture us. I think a lot of us Christians need to step back after reading sometimes. Subjects that seem complicated aren't really. Our human minds have tough times accepting that God is far more advance than we humans have a chance of ever being or understanding for the most part. I was told once (or read it somewhere once) that trying to explain God to a human would be like trying to explain the internet to an ant. I see God's love close to the love I have for my own daughter but he loves us so much more. It's hard to grasp how much our God loves us.