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Matthew 10:23 & Luke 8:13
but he that endureth to the end shall be saved -- a great saying, repeated, in connection with similar warnings, in the prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem (Mt 24:13); and often reiterated by the apostle as a warning against "drawing back unto perdition" (Heb 3:6, 13 Heb 6:4-6 Heb 10:23, 26-29, 38, 39, &c.). As "drawing back unto perdition" is merely the palpable evidence of the want of "root" from the first in the Christian profession (Lu 8:13), so "enduring to the end" is just the proper evidence of its reality and solidity.
Matthew 24:10-13: Note that the real context runs from 24:4-28.
Our Saviour cautions his disciples to stand on their guard against false teachers. And he foretells wars and great commotions among nations. From the time that the Jews rejected Christ, and he left their house desolate, the sword never departed from them. See what comes of refusing the gospel. Those who will not hear the messengers of peace, shall be made to hear the messengers of war. But where the heart is fixed, trusting in God, it is kept in peace, and is not afraid. It is against the mind of Christ, that his people should have troubled hearts, even in troublous times. When we looked forward to the eternity of misery that is before the obstinate refusers of Christ and his gospel, we may truly say, The greatest earthly judgments are but the beginning of sorrows. It is comforting that some shall endure even to the end. Our Lord foretells the preaching of the gospel in all the world. The end of the world shall not be till the gospel has done its work. Christ foretells the ruin coming upon the people of the Jews; and what he said here, would be of use to his disciples, for their conduct and for their comfort.
Luke 21:19;
In your patience. Rather by your perseverance. The word patience here means constancy or perseverance in sustaining afflictions.
"In your patience" Romans 5:3, Hebrews 10:36, James 1:4
Possess ye your souls. Some read here the future instead of the present of the verb rendered possess. The word possess means here to preserve or keep, and the word souls means lives. This passage may be thus translated: By persevering in bearing these trials you will save your lives, or you will be safe; or, by persevering preserve your lives, that is, do not yield to these calamities, but bear up under them, for he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved. Comp. Matthew 24:13.
John 15:6; This does not apply to "Once saved a;ways saved',you can understand this verse more by studying into the Isreals history in reference to the "Vine'.
Romans 11:21;
The Gentile has even more reason to fear than the Jew had. It was in itself far more probable that God would spare a people so long connected with him in the most peculiar manner, than that he should spare those who had no such claims on his mercy. The idea intended to be expressed by this verse probably is, that the Jews, from their relation to God, were more likely to be spared than the Gentiles, inasmuch as God is accustomed to bear long with the recipients of his mercy, before he casts them off; even as a father bears long with a son, before he discards him and adopts another.
1 Corinthians 10:12; Note there is alot more info on this verse, but I`m just relating that which shows that this verse isn`t refered to "Once saved always saved";
This indicates the apostle's aim in referring to the events in Israelite history. There is perpetual danger of falling. No degree of progress we may have already made, no amount of privilege which we may have enjoyed, can justify the lack of caution.
1 Corinthians 15:2; Has nothing to do with the subject.
Hebrews 3:6; 3:14; 6:4-12; Has nothing to do with the subject.
Now you`ve shun the thought or perhaps the idea of this in Hebrews 10:26-39.
And at first glance this does appear to give some type of creadite towards the statement that you can lose your salvation. Just to set the record sraight here, these verses are towards the apostate. Apostasy is the sin for which there is no forgiveness. There are five warnings in the Book of Hebrews, warnings to the intellectually convinced, who know that Christianity is true but have never committed themselves to it honestly and truly.And of those five warnings, this is by far the most terrifying and the most serious. In fact, it may be the most serious warning in all of the Scriptures.
For example, In the case of Saul, we have an example of an apostate, King Saul. I Samuel 15:11, "It repented me that I have set up Saul to be king, for he has turned back from following me," said God. Amaziah, another example, II Chronicles 15, verse 14 and 27 say this. "Now it came to pass, that after Amaziah was come from the slaughter of the Edomites, that he brought the gods of the children of Seir, and set them up to be his gods, and bowed down before them. Wherefore the anger of the Lord was kindled against Amaziah. They sent to Lachish after him, and slew him there."
James 5:19; If any one err from the truth - Practically, by sin. This really does not apply. We all sin even those that are saved but remember; If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9 (ASV)
2 Peter 2:20-21;You really need to read and study this whole chapter, for you are way out of context on your thinking here; look at their perversion in verses 20 to 22. There are words of strong judgment against them all through the passage, and here is the final blast of doom given. Verse 20, "For if they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first." Now in first reading that might not come crystal clear. Let me help you with it. The word "they" means the false teachers. If after the false teachers have escaped the defilements of the world. What does that mean? In what way have they escaped the defilements of the world?
This passage does not refer to the post that you presented.
2 Peter 3:17-18; Since ye know, he says, all that has been said above, and since you see that many false teachers must come people to lead the world astray and since scoffers as pervert the Scripture and will not understand it—take care of yourselves. Guard against them with diligence that ye fall not from your faith by reason of the doctrines of error. And grow, so as to become stronger from day to day by the steadfast practice and preaching of the Word of God. Here observe how great care the apostle shows for those who have come to faith, those who urged him even to write these two epistles, in which is fully comprehended what a Christian should know, besides also that which is to come. May God give his grace, that we also may lay hold of and retain it. Amen.
2 John 1:8; The truth which is taught here is one of interest to all Christians-that it is possible for even genuine Christians, by suffering themselves to be led into error, or by failure in duty, to lose a part of the reward which they might have obtained. The crown which they will wear in heaven will be less bright than that which they might have worn, and the throne which they will occupy will be less elevated. The rewards of heaven will be in accordance with the services rendered to the Redeemer; and it would not be right that they who turn aside, or falter in their course, should have the same exalted honours which they might have received if they had devoted themselves to God with ever-increasing fidelity. It is painful to think how many there are who begin the Christian career with burning zeal, as if they would strike for the highest rewards in heaven, but who soon waver in their course, and fall into some paralysing error, until at last they receive, perhaps, not half the reward which they might have obtained.
Rev 3:5; Theres alot on this verse but check it out for yourself; Again we`re at a subject that does not pretain the subject you posted about; blot out . . . name out of . . . book of life -- of the heavenly city. A register was kept in ancient cities of their citizens: the names of the dead were of course erased. So those who have a name that they live and are dead (Rev. 3:1), are blotted out of God's roll of the heavenly citizens and heirs of eternal life; not that in God's electing decree they ever were in His book of life. But, according to human conceptions, those who had a high name for piety would be supposed to be in it, and were, in respect to privileges, actually among those in the way of salvation; but these privileges, and the fact that they once might have been saved, shall be of no avail to them. As to the book of life, compare Rev. 13:8 Rev. 17:8 Rev. 20:12, 15 Rev. 21:27 Ex 32:32 Ps 69:28 Da 12:1. In the sense of the "call," many are enrolled among the called to salvation, who shall not be found among the chosen at last. The pale of salvation is wider than that of election. Election is fixed. Salvation is open to all and is pending (humanly speaking) in the case of those mentioned here. But Rev. 20:15 Rev. 21:27, exhibit the book of the elect alone in the narrower sense, after the erasure of the others.
My friend I`ve tried to my best to post according to scripture that you presented that gives the suggestion that one might lose his salvation, and yet I find no truth in it at all, not in the scripture , not in my heart. Alot of the things that you presented were out of context if not all, but I did see the writtings in Hebrews and Peter to represent the false teachings.
Pleases don`t take it the wrong way, sometimes people are just misinformed, I will pray that the light to be shined upon you in the course of you understanding the truth in this matter. Think about this verse and consider who the spirit would be referring to.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
John 10:27-29 (ASV)
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