Having very tough time trusting GOD now

[Christ4Ever]

The reason I'm not a member is that I do alot of good on my own and I get blessed in doing so.
I think the Mason's get a bad rap. The Mason's is NOT a religious group. You will NOT find salvation there. They are like the Boy Scouts and other groups that teach and practice charity towards their fellow human beings and good citizenship.
Reading through the Mason's Bible I see alot of Jewishness with Solomons Temple. I also attended a Masonic funeral several years ago and I was blessed by being there. Conservative Christians demonize the Mason's. I guess because the Mason's are doing more to help their fellow human beings than they are? After all church membership has steadily fallen over the last couple of decades. Wonder why?
Shalom Aleichem

You didn't really understand what I wrote. No sweat. To be expected from one who has your background.

Conservative Christians will address the doctrines that Mason's adhere to, and if you are honest with some of their practices, you'd agree that a Christian should have no truck with such. Since you are a Messianic Jew, and not a Christian, I dare say, the foundation you have probably doesn't apply since you are more driven by OT practices, that a Mason would have no problem accepting into what they do. The adaptability of the Mason's to accept all faiths, is probably the most obvious example that Christians should not mix with what they are about. Yes, they are not a religious organization, because even atheists are accepted, though I would kind of call them Humanist, but when the foundation for what a Christian stands/believes in is pitted against what the Masons offer, and there is conflict, one should do what is right and separate oneself before compromising the faith for the sake of works. You can disagree with that as you will, but as I said, you're not a Christian and what you place above NT Scripture is not for me to decide.

However, as a Moderator here on Talk Jesus, I do have some say on the acceptability/promoting of certain subjects like Masons and the female equivalent and that would be a resounding no. Oh, and please don't go number counting either. For if that is your litmus test for what is good and acceptable, then you way off base to the faith found in Scripture.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[David Koberstein]

You didn't really understand what I wrote. No sweat. To be expected from one who has your background.

Conservative Christians will address the doctrines that Mason's adhere to, and if you are honest with some of their practices, you'd agree that a Christian should have no truck with such. Since you are a Messianic Jew, and not a Christian, I dare say, the foundation you have probably doesn't apply since you are more driven by OT practices, that a Mason would have no problem accepting into what they do. The adaptability of the Mason's to accept all faiths, is probably the most obvious example that Christians should not mix with what they are about. Yes, they are not a religious organization, because even atheists are accepted, though I would kind of call them Humanist, but when the foundation for what a Christian stands/believes in is pitted against what the Masons offer, and there is conflict, one should do what is right and separate oneself before compromising the faith for the sake of works. You can disagree with that as you will, but as I said, you're not a Christian and what you place above NT Scripture is not for me to decide.

However, as a Moderator here on Talk Jesus, I do have some say on the acceptability/promoting of certain subjects like Masons and the female equivalent and that would be a resounding no. Oh, and please don't go number counting either. For if that is your litmus test for what is good and acceptable, then you way off base to the faith found in Scripture.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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I fully understand what you wrote. I do not condemn the Mason's but I don't support them either. I'm not driven by Old Covenant practices. Unlike the Christian faith that tends to gloss over and pretend the Old Covenant doesn't exist or is obsolete. Messianics fully look at both Covenants because both Covenants are still valid today. To demonize a group because they don't measure up to your version or flavor of Christianity is really short sighted. I financially help a lot of elderly Gentile Christians because their own evangelical churches refuse to or can't afford to. Maybe I should take your approach and refuse to help them because they don't measure up to the Messianic faith?
Shalom

 

[Christ4Ever]

To demonize a group because they don't measure up to your version or flavor of Christianity is really short sighted. I financially help a lot of elderly Gentile Christians because their own evangelical churches refuse to or can't afford to. Maybe I should take your approach and refuse to help them because they don't measure up to the Messianic faith?

Okay. How have I demonized them? Come on Mr. Honest Messanic Jew!
I told you to research them, and set them against scripture, and if you call that demonization, then you're more a Judaizer then anything else. Name the religion that doesn't in one form or another help people, then tell me they're going to be saved because of their works? It's not about measuring up, because that's the expectation of the worked based faiths, and apparently what you believe, because I don't. If you could have been saved by your works, then Jesus won't have needed to be sacrificed.

It's not about finding an outlet to help people, because if you can't preach the gospel, while feeding/clothing/helping them, what good are you really doing? You can help them from the church you attend, and if they don't have it, then start it! Now, go for it. Explain it to me. Save the body and lose the soul without Jesus, but that's okay. Is that what you're saying? If you say you can do both, then again I tell you that you don't know Masonry at all. You can be working next someone who doesn't know Jesus as Savior, and you're not supposed to evangelize them! That is why a brother who was a mason, and a Christian, I asked him "Have you ever presented the Gospel to others in the Lodge who were not Christians from other Lodges?" Nope, because they were told not to. They have their faith, and you have yours. He left the Masons shortly thereafter. You are supposed to be about the business that Jesus set for you to do. Work for an organization that would prevent you from doing so, is not one I would suggest any believer to be a part of. However, if that's the way you work, then keep it to yourself. Don't worry there are other believers out there, who care/love them enough to tell them about Jesus' saving Grace.

You have it in your mind about what I believe, well you don't know anything at all. Open that smart brain of yours, and pray hoping the Holy Spirit will open your eyes to understanding that all the good you do in works, if you're not presenting the Gospel to them, then you're not doing the good you think you are. If the Masons allowed you to do both, then I might have some issues with other things they would require of you to do, but if they would allow you to present the Gospel to others, including other Lodges, then I'd change my mind, but they don't so I won't.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[David Koberstein]

Okay. How have I demonized them? Come on Mr. Honest Messanic Jew!
I told you to research them, and set them against scripture, and if you call that demonization, then you're more a Judaizer then anything else. Name the religion that doesn't in one form or another help people, then tell me they're going to be saved because of their works? It's not about measuring up, because that's the expectation of the worked based faiths, and apparently what you believe, because I don't. If you could have been saved by your works, then Jesus won't have needed to be sacrificed.

It's not about finding an outlet to help people, because if you can't preach the gospel, while feeding/clothing/helping them, what good are you really doing? You can help them from the church you attend, and if they don't have it, then start it! Now, go for it. Explain it to me. Save the body and lose the soul without Jesus, but that's okay. Is that what you're saying? If you say you can do both, then again I tell you that you don't know Masonry at all. You can be working next someone who doesn't know Jesus as Savior, and you're not supposed to evangelize them! That is why a brother who was a mason, and a Christian, I asked him "Have you ever presented the Gospel to others in the Lodge who were not Christians from other Lodges?" Nope, because they were told not to. They have their faith, and you have yours. He left the Masons shortly thereafter. You are supposed to be about the business that Jesus set for you to do. Work for an organization that would prevent you from doing so, is not one I would suggest any believer to be a part of. However, if that's the way you work, then keep it to yourself. Don't worry there are other believers out there, who care/love them enough to tell them about Jesus' saving Grace.

You have it in your mind about what I believe, well you don't know anything at all. Open that smart brain of yours, and pray hoping the Holy Spirit will open your eyes to understanding that all the good you do in works, if you're not presenting the Gospel to them, then you're not doing the good you think you are. If the Masons allowed you to do both, then I might have some issues with other things they would require of you to do, but if they would allow you to present the Gospel to others, including other Lodges, then I'd change my mind, but they don't so I won't.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Wow you are condensend

Okay. How have I demonized them? Come on Mr. Honest Messanic Jew!
I told you to research them, and set them against scripture, and if you call that demonization, then you're more a Judaizer then anything else. Name the religion that doesn't in one form or another help people, then tell me they're going to be saved because of their works? It's not about measuring up, because that's the expectation of the worked based faiths, and apparently what you believe, because I don't. If you could have been saved by your works, then Jesus won't have needed to be sacrificed.

It's not about finding an outlet to help people, because if you can't preach the gospel, while feeding/clothing/helping them, what good are you really doing? You can help them from the church you attend, and if they don't have it, then start it! Now, go for it. Explain it to me. Save the body and lose the soul without Jesus, but that's okay. Is that what you're saying? If you say you can do both, then again I tell you that you don't know Masonry at all. You can be working next someone who doesn't know Jesus as Savior, and you're not supposed to evangelize them! That is why a brother who was a mason, and a Christian, I asked him "Have you ever presented the Gospel to others in the Lodge who were not Christians from other Lodges?" Nope, because they were told not to. They have their faith, and you have yours. He left the Masons shortly thereafter. You are supposed to be about the business that Jesus set for you to do. Work for an organization that would prevent you from doing so, is not one I would suggest any believer to be a part of. However, if that's the way you work, then keep it to yourself. Don't worry there are other believers out there, who care/love them enough to tell them about Jesus' saving Grace.

You have it in your mind about what I believe, well you don't know anything at all. Open that smart brain of yours, and pray hoping the Holy Spirit will open your eyes to understanding that all the good you do in works, if you're not presenting the Gospel to them, then you're not doing the good you think you are. If the Masons allowed you to do both, then I might have some issues with other things they would require of you to do, but if they would allow you to present the Gospel to others, including other Lodges, then I'd change my mind, but they don't so I won't.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Some how your "With the Love of Christ Jesus" rings hollow to me. Your the legalistic person I thought you were. No surprises there. You apparently are slow to comprehend what I told you earlier. The Masons are not a religious group. The Masons are not a church. The Masons do not offer salvation to you via Yeshua Hamashiach. They do charitable things to help their fellow man just like the Knights of Columbus, the Elks, the Lions and I could go on. With your demonizing I can safely assume you and your group have no interest in helping your fellow man. This is not a religious question. It's a question of human decency and charity to others. As Jews we are required to be a blessing to others and to the nations. Yeshua connected this to the Old Covenant that we should love others more than ourselves. That's something Christians need to learn and act on. Years ago you people (legalists) used to demonize restaurants that served alcohol. You see where that went. No where! You used to demonize funeral homes that performed or allowed Catholic services for their dead. You see where that went. No where!
You used to demonize stores that were open on Sunday. You see where that went.
No where!
I find it interesting that Christians will not help other Christians, but they will ask a Messianic Jew for help. I wonder why that is? Faith without works is dead!
Shalom Rav

 

[Twistie]

Okay. How have I demonized them? Come on Mr. Honest Messanic Jew!
I told you to research them, and set them against scripture, and if you call that demonization, then you're more a Judaizer then anything else. Name the religion that doesn't in one form or another help people, then tell me they're going to be saved because of their works? It's not about measuring up, because that's the expectation of the worked based faiths, and apparently what you believe, because I don't. If you could have been saved by your works, then Jesus won't have needed to be sacrificed.

It's not about finding an outlet to help people, because if you can't preach the gospel, while feeding/clothing/helping them, what good are you really doing? You can help them from the church you attend, and if they don't have it, then start it! Now, go for it. Explain it to me. Save the body and lose the soul without Jesus, but that's okay. Is that what you're saying? If you say you can do both, then again I tell you that you don't know Masonry at all. You can be working next someone who doesn't know Jesus as Savior, and you're not supposed to evangelize them! That is why a brother who was a mason, and a Christian, I asked him "Have you ever presented the Gospel to others in the Lodge who were not Christians from other Lodges?" Nope, because they were told not to. They have their faith, and you have yours. He left the Masons shortly thereafter. You are supposed to be about the business that Jesus set for you to do. Work for an organization that would prevent you from doing so, is not one I would suggest any believer to be a part of. However, if that's the way you work, then keep it to yourself. Don't worry there are other believers out there, who care/love them enough to tell them about Jesus' saving Grace.

You have it in your mind about what I believe, well you don't know anything at all. Open that smart brain of yours, and pray hoping the Holy Spirit will open your eyes to understanding that all the good you do in works, if you're not presenting the Gospel to them, then you're not doing the good you think you are. If the Masons allowed you to do both, then I might have some issues with other things they would require of you to do, but if they would allow you to present the Gospel to others, including other Lodges, then I'd change my mind, but they don't so I won't.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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To be quite frank your beating a dead horse..

it's written we will know His children by their fruits..


Hope all's well with you n yours

(⁠ʘ⁠ᴗ⁠ʘ⁠✿⁠)

 

[David Koberstein]

To be quite frank your beating a dead horse..

it's written we will know His children by their fruits..


Hope all's well with you n yours

(⁠ʘ⁠ᴗ⁠ʘ⁠✿⁠)

I had a bumper crop! How about you?
I already know the answer.
Shalom

 

[Christ4Ever]

Some how your "With the Love of Christ Jesus" rings hollow to me. Your the legalistic person I thought you were. No surprises there. You apparently are slow to comprehend what I told you earlier. The Masons are not a religious group. The Masons are not a church. The Masons do not offer salvation to you via Yeshua Hamashiach.

I may be a bit dense, but clearly you do not read/comprehend what I write. lol
Me legalistic? The Masons set a standard of behavior, that a Christian should find unacceptable, and I'm the legalistic one! (sigh)
Yes, I did see that you said they're not a religious group, nor a church, though in that respect it seems a bit surprising that the Lodges are considered Mosques, Temples, Shrines that connote places of religious worship! They also use secret names for god, which you as a Messianic Jew should find offensive/sacrilegious, but of course you don't want to see that part of it.

Of course they don't offer salvation, but would prevent one from showing one another the way through Christ Jesus! If you don't see that as an issue, then you're not being blind, just stubborn. For I appear to be attacking that which you find familiar/loving maybe even a loving memory connected to those ones who have passed in your life. I can appreciate that. In my mothers desire to introduce me to Jesus, she would take me to different places of worship, if they even knew how to spell His name! (heavy sigh) Doesn't change the love I still have for her and what she wanted for me in life, but in a odd sort of way she did benefit my education by introducing me to JW's, Christian Scientist, Jews, Catholics, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Pentecostals, and it goes on!!! She figured if they used the name of Jesus, it had to be a good place for her son. It doesn't change my love for her, but the reality was in that respect, she was deceived that just saying his name meant you are walking rightly. If not for the grace of God, I would have very easily fallen into believing a cult or two even to this day!

Note: This last part is me sharing with you, to try to connect that there is no malice in what I am trying to communicate to you concerning Masonry and other outliers that you probably know about, who on the surface are all about good works, and nothing else.

Now on the religious note again: Ask a Mason or research about the following: "admittance into the Celestial Lodge above where the Supreme Architect of the Universe presides". Doesn't that sound a bit religious to you? (Heavy sigh) I'm not trying to trash them, but to shed light upon what you believe is good and acceptable, because of the works they do. It is not so brother. Do not be deceived.

I find it interesting that Christians will not help other Christians, but they will ask a Messianic Jew for help. I wonder why that is? Faith without works is dead!

The quote you would use is talking about believers, and not non-believers. I find it interesting that you would side with those non-believers whose works think will save them. Leave Jesus out of the equation, and even you must admit, it's kind of hard to get saved unless you as a Messianic Jew think one can be. I can't answer that one for you, since I'm not one, but as a Christian I would say, it's not going to happen without the One who died on the Cross as your Savior Jesus Christ/Yeshua Hamashiach.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Christ4Ever]

To be quite frank your beating a dead horse..

it's written we will know His children by their fruits..


Hope all's well with you n yours

(⁠ʘ⁠ᴗ⁠ʘ⁠✿⁠)

Only softening the meat for a barbeque dear sister...

I pray all is well with you and yours too! \o/

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[David Koberstein]

I may be a bit dense, but clearly you do not read/comprehend what I write. lol
Me legalistic? The Masons set a standard of behavior, that a Christian should find unacceptable, and I'm the legalistic one! (sigh)
Yes, I did see that you said they're not a religious group, nor a church, though in that respect it seems a bit surprising that the Lodges are considered Mosques, Temples, Shrines that connote places of religious worship! They also use secret names for god, which you as a Messianic Jew should find offensive/sacrilegious, but of course you don't want to see that part of it.

Of course they don't offer salvation, but would prevent one from showing one another the way through Christ Jesus! If you don't see that as an issue, then you're not being blind, just stubborn. For I appear to be attacking that which you find familiar/loving maybe even a loving memory connected to those ones who have passed in your life. I can appreciate that. In my mothers desire to introduce me to Jesus, she would take me to different places of worship, if they even knew how to spell His name! (heavy sigh) Doesn't change the love I still have for her and what she wanted for me in life, but in a odd sort of way she did benefit my education by introducing me to JW's, Christian Scientist, Jews, Catholics, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Pentecostals, and it goes on!!! She figured if they used the name of Jesus, it had to be a good place for her son. It doesn't change my love for her, but the reality was in that respect, she was deceived that just saying his name meant you are walking rightly. If not for the grace of God, I would have very easily fallen into believing a cult or two even to this day!

Note: This last part is me sharing with you, to try to connect that there is no malice in what I am trying to communicate to you concerning Masonry and other outliers that you probably know about, who on the surface are all about good works, and nothing else.

Now on the religious note again: Ask a Mason or research about the following: "admittance into the Celestial Lodge above where the Supreme Architect of the Universe presides". Doesn't that sound a bit religious to you? (Heavy sigh) I'm not trying to trash them, but to shed light upon what you believe is good and acceptable, because of the works they do. It is not so brother. Do not be deceived.


The quote you would use is talking about believers, and not non-believers. I find it interesting that you would side with those non-believers whose works think will save them. Leave Jesus out of the equation, and even you must admit, it's kind of hard to get saved unless you as a Messianic Jew think one can be. I can't answer that one for you, since I'm not one, but as a Christian I would say, it's not going to happen without the One who died on the Cross as your Savior Jesus Christ/Yeshua Hamashiach.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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I'm not going to help someone with strings attached. I will help you only if you listen to the Gospel. I will never do that. I presume you will. My charity to seniors comes with no strings attached. I'm not the government or a Christian church. I will do a mitzvot Hebrew word meaning acts of kindness with no strings attached.
You should try that.
Shalom

 

[Christ4Ever]

I'm not going to help someone with strings attached. I will help you only if you listen to the Gospel. I will never do that. I presume you will. My charity to seniors comes with no strings attached. I'm not the government or a Christian church. I will do a mitzvot Hebrew word meaning acts of kindness with no strings attached.
You should try that.
Shalom

But no one is telling you can't if you're moved by the spirit to do so! That's the whole point that you seem to be missing about this. (heavy sigh).

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[David Koberstein]

But no one is telling you can't if you're moved by the spirit to do so! That's the whole point that you seem to be missing about this. (heavy sigh).

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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I will agree with you on that. Talk about not being able to give the Gospel out at a Masonic Lodge. You can't even do that in your place of employment if you value your job. One step further, you can't even do that in the public schools.
The Masons/Shrines have the best burn hospitals in the country for children. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. I will work with a Mason to help another person if asked. It's just human decency.
Shalom

 

[Christ4Ever]

I will agree with you on that. Talk about not being able to give the Gospel out at a Masonic Lodge. You can't even do that in your place of employment if you value your job. One step further, you can't even do that in the public schools.
The Masons/Shrines have the best burn hospitals in the country for children. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. I will work with a Mason to help another person if asked. It's just human decency.
Shalom

You're starting to conflate a lot of different areas of concerns brother. In order I can only assume to state that it's okay that Masonry is doing what they're doing in not allowing witnessing to others about your faith if you're a member. That is why they separate them according to religion, even though they're not religious in and of itself.

At one time schools used to teach the bible, and now...from good to bad. Masons/Shrines have the best burn hospitals in the country for children, and no body is saying that you can't donate to them for the work that they do, but accept the practices that go along with being a member over even what Christ has asked of us? Hummm...I don't think so. Oh, and those working in those hospitals I'm sure are not all sworn members either.

As far as sharing Jesus at your work? You'd be surprised at what you are allowed to say at your work. You have to know the law, and the do's and don'ts of it. A little story here...

After retiring from the Air Force, I worked for 18 years in Corrections for the State. An inmate asked me a question concerning the bible in the hallway, and I stopped, talked and answered his question. The Director of Human Resources saw this, but didn't say anything and kept walking. The spirit nudged me that I would be hearing about this in the future. A couple of weeks passed, and my boss who happened to be Catholic, asked me into her office. As I sat down, the Holy Spirit moved me to speak first. I told her what the meeting was going to be about, and about the incident that happened two weeks prior that the HR Director had observed. Her eyes getting wider as I continued to speak. Letting her know that if I had to get fired/let go for speaking about my Jesus, then that is exactly what they would need to do. The job, and all it entails is only temporal, but the Word of God is forever. If me speaking up could help a person come to Jesus or help draw them closer to Him, even at the cost of my job and well being, then I would not be hurt from it happening that way. It's not about my honor or praise, but to the Glory of God!

My boss called me a term from what I can only assume was from Catholicism, that I don't remember. Kind of wish I did, so I could have researched it, but anyway. She said please don't be so obvious about it in the future, and that was it. There are things that within even the state or federal government that you are allowed to do, but ignorance of the actual laws that govern these practices of separation of church and state are such that people who disagree with the faith being shared, will try to stop the faithful, from being faithful.

One must be humble, in these situations, and be able to communicate the thoughts and actions in such a way, that is clearly understood in a way that does not get the other persons defenses up. Hopefully, the Holy Spirit is providing one the words to use in those types of situations. It might also be an opportunity to witness to that person as well!!! By the by. I worked out with the H.R. Director and witnessed to him as well. He didn't buy it of course, and was a bit frustrated by my initiating this type of conversation with him in the gym. I found out later on the announcement of his dad's death, that his dad was a Baptist faithful from down in TX, and probably the reason why his son, didn't want anything to do with "religion" and "talking of Jesus" and so his attempt in trying to squash me from doing so.

So, I don't throw out the Baby with the Bathwater, but I also won't keep the baby in the dirty bathwater either. I realize that God uses all people for His will to be done. But knowing His Word, and following it should take precedence over what the world wants or expects us to bow to for the sake of expedience and well meaning.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[David Koberstein]

You're starting to conflate a lot of different areas of concerns brother. In order I can only assume to state that it's okay that Masonry is doing what they're doing in not allowing witnessing to others about your faith if you're a member. That is why they separate them according to religion, even though they're not religious in and of itself.

At one time schools used to teach the bible, and now...from good to bad. Masons/Shrines have the best burn hospitals in the country for children, and no body is saying that you can't donate to them for the work that they do, but accept the practices that go along with being a member over even what Christ has asked of us? Hummm...I don't think so. Oh, and those working in those hospitals I'm sure are not all sworn members either.

As far as sharing Jesus at your work? You'd be surprised at what you are allowed to say at your work. You have to know the law, and the do's and don'ts of it. A little story here...

After retiring from the Air Force, I worked for 18 years in Corrections for the State. An inmate asked me a question concerning the bible in the hallway, and I stopped, talked and answered his question. The Director of Human Resources saw this, but didn't say anything and kept walking. The spirit nudged me that I would be hearing about this in the future. A couple of weeks passed, and my boss who happened to be Catholic, asked me into her office. As I sat down, the Holy Spirit moved me to speak first. I told her what the meeting was going to be about, and about the incident that happened two weeks prior that the HR Director had observed. Her eyes getting wider as I continued to speak. Letting her know that if I had to get fired/let go for speaking about my Jesus, then that is exactly what they would need to do. The job, and all it entails is only temporal, but the Word of God is forever. If me speaking up could help a person come to Jesus or help draw them closer to Him, even at the cost of my job and well being, then I would not be hurt from it happening that way. It's not about my honor or praise, but to the Glory of God!

My boss called me a term from what I can only assume was from Catholicism, that I don't remember. Kind of wish I did, so I could have researched it, but anyway. She said please don't be so obvious about it in the future, and that was it. There are things that within even the state or federal government that you are allowed to do, but ignorance of the actual laws that govern these practices of separation of church and state are such that people who disagree with the faith being shared, will try to stop the faithful, from being faithful.

One must be humble, in these situations, and be able to communicate the thoughts and actions in such a way, that is clearly understood in a way that does not get the other persons defenses up. Hopefully, the Holy Spirit is providing one the words to use in those types of situations. It might also be an opportunity to witness to that person as well!!! By the by. I worked out with the H.R. Director and witnessed to him as well. He didn't buy it of course, and was a bit frustrated by my initiating this type of conversation with him in the gym. I found out later on the announcement of his dad's death, that his dad was a Baptist faithful from down in TX, and probably the reason why his son, didn't want anything to do with "religion" and "talking of Jesus" and so his attempt in trying to squash me from doing so.

So, I don't throw out the Baby with the Bathwater, but I also won't keep the baby in the dirty bathwater either. I realize that God uses all people for His will to be done. But knowing His Word, and following it should take precedence over what the world wants or expects us to bow to for the sake of expedience and well meaning.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Sometimes your life is the only Bible some people will read.
Shalom

 

[Christ4Ever]

Sometimes your life is the only Bible some people will read.
Shalom

Add to that your prayers, and you would do well. Because if God see's fit that you are not to be the vessel by which they are to hear of Jesus, I am sure because of your prayers for them, that another avenue will be opened by which they will.

Just be sure you are ready to answer them, who would ask you why you believe as you do.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Curtis]

I was praying to Jesus and his father since 1.5 years. I had an exam coming up and prayed earnestly to Jesus so that I may pass that exam. But I failed that exam for getting 7 marks less.
Now my trust with God has been broken, its like God just simply doesnt care whether you pass or fail in exam,

No amount of prayer can replace "study"

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.