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Having very tough time trusting GOD now

Everyone has an opinion the Lords ways are written..

God is not an organization He is about His people His family those who carry His light in Him

How can one claim to Love God being in God n follow His ways n then go around n being mean n nasty towards others that in itself is hypocritical..

In case ya didn't now NJ n Philly are major stomping grounds for the Eastern stars n the Masons..

There are many temples to the god of the dead too just most call them a church.. quite a few Temples in the areas also groom the young woman to dress up to draw men in..
The one temple got a dead body buried under the pews of it claiming it's some saint n he protecting them..


¯⁠\⁠_⁠༼⁠ ⁠ಥ⁠ ⁠‿⁠ ⁠ಥ⁠ ⁠༽⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Very sad what's happening
So what do you have against the Eastern Star and Free Masons?
My Gentile IFB mother was a member of the Eastern Star.
So next you will probably be going after the AARP and the NRA
Give me a break!

Shalom Aleichem
 
So what do you have against the Eastern Star and Free Masons?
My Gentile IFB mother was a member of the Eastern Star.
So next you will probably be going after the AARP and the NRA
Give me a break!

Shalom Aleichem
Yep I can see where you r at in the world..
I will bow out of the convo with you I don't want to be the one to lead you into a deeper darkness..

Good luck with that monkey..

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Yep I can see where you r at in the world..
I will bow out of the convo with you I don't want to be the one to lead you into a deeper darkness..

Good luck with that monkey..

ಠ⁠ω⁠ಠ
No you can't see, but are blinded by legalism and darkness. You will never lead me into
darkness. You don't even know who I am and my journey through this planet to make a
statement like that. No wonder you have trust issues with God. You need to seek help.
Shalom
 
No you can't see, but are blinded by legalism and darkness. You will never lead me into
darkness. You don't even know who I am and my journey through this planet to make a
statement like that. No wonder you have trust issues with God. You need to seek help.
Shalom
Umm ya I can I can see your words I can see what they are
I can see what you are.. only the blind will not..
Like I said good luck with that monkey n perhaps spend some time with the Lord to help that arrogance anger n that spiritual pride your filled with I'd stop drinking out of the fountain you been drinking out of..

I'm j.s.

୧⁠(⁠ ⁠ಠ⁠ ⁠Д⁠ ⁠ಠ⁠ ⁠)⁠୨
 
Umm ya I can I can see your words I can see what they are
I can see what you are.. only the blind will not..
Like I said good luck with that monkey n perhaps spend some time with the Lord to help that arrogance anger n that spiritual pride your filled with I'd stop drinking out of the fountain you been drinking out of..

I'm j.s.

୧⁠(⁠ ⁠ಠ⁠ ⁠Д⁠ ⁠ಠ⁠ ⁠)⁠୨
People like you are their own worse enemies. You think everything is about you. You want pity from people. Sorry about your luck. You came to the wrong place. Quit drinking the Kool-Aid!
Shalom
 
People like you are their own worse enemies. You think everything is about you. You want pity from people. Sorry about your luck. You came to the wrong place. Quit drinking the Kool-Aid!
Shalom
Naw I just follow the Lord which we can clearly see you follow the god of this Earth mean arrogant rude prideful puffed up it's about the Lord apparently His ways annoy you so.. why is that?? Do you believe hatred is the way to bring others close to the Lord or are you going on how you feel that it annoys you that this youngins thinking is up to your standards?? It's people like you that chase people away this is the nasty fruit them temples produce that people want to claim to be a church

Good luck with that monkey

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Naw I just follow the Lord which we can clearly see you follow the god of this Earth mean arrogant rude prideful puffed up it's about the Lord apparently His ways annoy you so.. why is that?? Do you believe hatred is the way to bring others close to the Lord or are you going on how you feel that it annoys you that this youngins thinking is up to your standards?? It's people like you that chase people away this is the nasty fruit them temples produce that people want to claim to be a church

Good luck with that monkey

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No I follow the God of Israel. You are basically following your own selfish interests. You are the monkey. Try not
to eat so many bananas.
Shalom
 
No I follow the God of Israel. You are basically following your own selfish interests. You are the monkey. Try not
to eat so many bananas.
Shalom
Ya you follow a god we all do humans were created to worship your fruits show which you are walking in..

You sound like a a bitter ole angry lil man that's what vibe I get from you .

That's a tough road to walk good luck with that monkey ..


୧⁠(⁠﹒︠⁠ᴗ⁠﹒︡⁠)⁠୨
 
Ya you follow a god we all do humans were created to worship your fruits show which you are walking in..

You sound like a a bitter ole angry lil man that's what vibe I get from you .

That's a tough road to walk good luck with that monkey ..


୧⁠(⁠﹒︠⁠ᴗ⁠﹒︡⁠)⁠୨
I will make sure you are on a short leash!
I'm not bitter like you singing the blues.
Have a ham sandwich and enjoy your day!
 
So what do you have against the Eastern Star and Free Masons?
My Gentile IFB mother was a member of the Eastern Star.
So next you will probably be going after the AARP and the NRA
Give me a break!

Shalom Aleichem
I do have a problem with Eastern Star and Free Masons.
I know some who I care for who are/were part of those organizations. Actions can be well meaning, but the doctrines they adhere to are not and that is what is important.

Do some objective research on them with scripture as the prism by which you view them, and you will see the issues.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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If you took the time to read the definition of impartial in an English dictionary, then possibly you would not display your total ignorance of the doctrine of Unconditional Election, or Unmerited Election, for all to see.

Unconditional Election is the doctrine that God chooses certain individuals for salvation prior to their conversion, based solely on His own sovereign will and grace, not on any foreseen faith, good works, or merit in those individuals. This choice is made independently of any conditions or qualities inherent in the person.

To be based on God’s grace, independently of any conditions in the person, is to be truly impartial, thus “Unconditional Election”.

From Martin Luther:

“And it is this very state of the truth, that of necessity proves "Free will" to be nothing at all; seeing that, the love and hatred of God towards men is immutable and eternal; existing, not only before there was any merit or work of "Free-will," but before the worlds were made; and that, all things take place in us from necessity, accordingly as He loved or loved not from all eternity. So that, not the love of God only, but even the manner of His love imposes on us necessity. Here then it may be seen, how much its invented ways of escape profit the Diatribe; for the more it attempts to get away from the truth, the more it runs upon it; with so little success does it fight against it!” Section 101
The Bondage of the Will

Westminster Confession of Faith, Presbyterian
“Those of mankind that are predestinated unto life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen in Christ, unto everlasting glory, out of his mere free grace and love, without any foresight of faith or good works, or perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature, as conditions, or causes moving him thereunto; and all to the praise of his glorious grace.” III. Para. 5

The 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith
“Those of mankind that are predestinated to life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to His eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of His will, hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory, out of His mere free grace and love, without any other thing in the creature as a condition or cause moving Him thereunto.”

It truly amazes me how eagerly most evangelicals are today ready, to cast away a major point of the Protestant Reformation, to agree with the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church!

Congrats on finally, A. taking a stab at the accusation of partiality and B. acknowledging that partiality is evil.

However, you do this by 1. insulting my intelligence and 2. demanding ignorance.

1. 'I must read the dictionary definition of impartiality'.

I find this accusation ironic as I feel you truly have no clue of the dictionary definitions.

Impartiality = non favouritism = unbiased!

Partiality = favouritism = biased!

Conditional election = A right heart and mind Jer 17:9-10 from either our repentance Luke 5:32, servitude James 1:27 or martyrdom Rev 6:10 is required James 4:8, Rev 3:20 before we are gifted salvation Eph 2:8-10. UNBIASED!

Unconditional election = There is no condition to election. We are either elected by God or we are not. BIASED!

Unlimited atonement = Sacrifice was made for all mankind. Conditional only upon a right heart and mind Jer 17:9-10 from either our repentance Luke 5:32, servitude James 1:27 or martyrdom Rev 6:10 is required James 4:8, Rev 3:20 before we are gifted salvation Eph 2:8-10. UNBIASED!

Limited atonement = Sacrifice was made for only a few. No matter what the rest do, they never have a chance at reconciliation with God. BIASED!

2. You demand I ignore God's partiality as 'He is God'.


''To be based on God’s grace, independently of any conditions in the person, is to be truly impartial, thus “Unconditional Election”.''

What a braindead line! There is literally zero impartiality if its not based on conditions from us.

It is because God is the Creator of all that any 'unconditional election' or 'limited atonement' from Him is pure partiality and makes Him monstrously evil.

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If God was not the Creator of all, perhaps there is a space where the U and L in TULIP may not incriminate Him. But He is the Creator of all.

As such you cannot fail harder at representing Him to the lost. Which is your one job 2 Cor 5:20.

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It is understandable that some define the A-Z of God's character off of a single word (omniscience) and a few cherry picked scriptures (Rom 9:21).

Easy for our poor little minds go into wonderland thinking of how great God must be in that He is truly all knowing.

But, what you are not grasping is every scripture outside of Rom 9:21 and every other word used to define God aside from the dictionary definition of the word omniscient.

As Jesus said to the devil when he cherry picked scripture, there is further scripture to consider. Scripture that tells us that God is good Psalm 136:1, righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17, light with no darkness 1 John 1:5, it should be unthinkable that He do what is evil or be unjust Job 34:12.

Scripture clearly paints the picture that God is as good as He is great. And would therefore choose to be truly impartial and never support the U and L in TULIP.

I often wonder why the minds of Calvinists cannot explore that space. Why does it wonder only in the ''omniscient'' space? It is not like any of us can grasp how God came to be...'who He is', is truly beyond us...we need to stick 100% to scripture and all of scripture!

------------------------

It is a default belief to believe that God is both good and evil as there is good and evil in the world. But a Christian knows this is nonsense. God is only good. God is truly impartial.

Note how in Acts 10:34 Peter states ''I grasped a truth I never knew before''.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism''.
 
Ya there's a way to approached one.. I just don't get the I gotta be nasty n mean n arrogant to make myself feel better personality..
Lord tells us what you have done to the Least of mine you have done unto me.

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I don't disagree. I feel I held myself back in my post, it could have been worse ;).

Sometimes, most times, I come across as impatient, arrogant and uncaring. It is some pride sure, but I believe it is mostly impatience with foolishness.

I regular atheist forums and discuss a lot, perhaps too much with people who troll.
 
I do have a problem with Eastern Star and Free Masons.
I know some who I care for who are/were part of those organizations. Actions can be well meaning, but the doctrines they adhere to are not and that is what is important.

Do some objective research on them with scripture as the prism by which you view them, and you will see the issues.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><
I have my late father who is Jewish his
Masonic Bible. I have looked through it and didn't see anything different than the
KJV. Please tell me what are you having
problems with. I would not be a member
of it personally. They do a lot of good to
humanity with their Shriners Hospital for
children.
Shalom
 
I have my late father who is Jewish his
Masonic Bible. I have looked through it and didn't see anything different than the
KJV. Please tell me what are you having
problems with. I would not be a member
of it personally. They do a lot of good to
humanity with their Shriners Hospital for
children.
Shalom
Actions can be well meaning, but the doctrines they adhere to are not and that is what is important.
I'm curious. You would uphold the good they do, but you yourself would not be a member? Why not? Not your thing, doing good? :)
By the way did I tell you to compare it against the KJV or any particular translation? No, so please don't assume something of me that is not there, and I will do the same for you.

I had asked you to research their doctrines/beliefs. There you will see what they stand for and fall by. Who do they look to for guidance? What book do they swear on? Should they be swearing on anything? Is it the Gospel they believe in, and allow to be preached to those lodge brothers who don't believe? You can go on and on, but works in of themselves will get you very little, and assuredly not saved.

So, your earthly father was Jewish by faith/birth (?) is the example you would go by, and not Scripture itself that is available to you? I loved my dad too, though I only knew him till the age of 10, when he went home to be with the Lord. I admire the little I got to knew of him through my mother who has also gone home. However, that is not what my faith is based upon, no matter the example he set for me to have.

I've met some who believe that just going to church is what saves them! Their words "My parents took me to church every Sunday, and though I don't go as much now (college) I still try to go." This is in response to my question "What makes you saved?"

By the way, the sister I was with talking with the above young man with, who was working on her divinity degree at the time, was a member of the Eastern Star! lol Loved her dearly, and has since gone to be with the Lord.

So, I don't go into this blindly brother, or prejudiced in some different sort of way, like I might be with Catholicism, which I'm not lol. Still I tell you don't promote it as something good, when in truth you don't know what it is, and only assume it through another's actions, be they family or other loved ones. Be like the Bereans and put their doctrine/beliefs/practices against what scripture tells you is right and true.

I can tell you one thing on this. Remember when Peter was arrested, and told by the Sanhedrin before letting them go, not to continue to talk about Jesus? That should be a clue to you to remember concerning this subject.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><
 
I don't disagree. I feel I held myself back in my post, it could have been worse ;).

Sometimes, most times, I come across as impatient, arrogant and uncaring. It is some pride sure, but I believe it is mostly impatience with foolishness.

I regular atheist forums and discuss a lot, perhaps too much with people who troll.
Ya I get that Lord has humbled me much in these past yrs.. He is teaching me how to be kinder with my words it's a learning process.. being mean is just so much easier at times frfr..

Hope all's well with you n yours..


(⁠ʘ⁠ᴗ⁠ʘ⁠✿⁠)
 
Congrats on finally, A. taking a stab at the accusation of partiality and B. acknowledging that partiality is evil.

However, you do this by 1. insulting my intelligence and 2. demanding ignorance.

1. 'I must read the dictionary definition of impartiality'.

I find this accusation ironic as I feel you truly have no clue of the dictionary definitions.

Impartiality = non favouritism = unbiased!

Partiality = favouritism = biased!

Conditional election = A right heart and mind Jer 17:9-10 from either our repentance Luke 5:32, servitude James 1:27 or martyrdom Rev 6:10 is required James 4:8, Rev 3:20 before we are gifted salvation Eph 2:8-10. UNBIASED!

Unconditional election = There is no condition to election. We are either elected by God or we are not. BIASED!

Unlimited atonement = Sacrifice was made for all mankind. Conditional only upon a right heart and mind Jer 17:9-10 from either our repentance Luke 5:32, servitude James 1:27 or martyrdom Rev 6:10 is required James 4:8, Rev 3:20 before we are gifted salvation Eph 2:8-10. UNBIASED!

Limited atonement = Sacrifice was made for only a few. No matter what the rest do, they never have a chance at reconciliation with God. BIASED!

2. You demand I ignore God's partiality as 'He is God'.




What a braindead line! There is literally zero impartiality if its not based on conditions from us.

It is because God is the Creator of all that any 'unconditional election' or 'limited atonement' from Him is pure partiality and makes Him monstrously evil.

-------------------------

If God was not the Creator of all, perhaps there is a space where the U and L in TULIP may not incriminate Him. But He is the Creator of all.

As such you cannot fail harder at representing Him to the lost. Which is your one job 2 Cor 5:20.

-----------------------

It is understandable that some define the A-Z of God's character off of a single word (omniscience) and a few cherry picked scriptures (Rom 9:21).

Easy for our poor little minds go into wonderland thinking of how great God must be in that He is truly all knowing.

But, what you are not grasping is every scripture outside of Rom 9:21 and every other word used to define God aside from the dictionary definition of the word omniscient.

As Jesus said to the devil when he cherry picked scripture, there is further scripture to consider. Scripture that tells us that God is good Psalm 136:1, righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17, light with no darkness 1 John 1:5, it should be unthinkable that He do what is evil or be unjust Job 34:12.

Scripture clearly paints the picture that God is as good as He is great. And would therefore choose to be truly impartial and never support the U and L in TULIP.

I often wonder why the minds of Calvinists cannot explore that space. Why does it wonder only in the ''omniscient'' space? It is not like any of us can grasp how God came to be...'who He is', is truly beyond us...we need to stick 100% to scripture and all of scripture!

------------------------

It is a default belief to believe that God is both good and evil as there is good and evil in the world. But a Christian knows this is nonsense. God is only good. God is truly impartial.

Note how in Acts 10:34 Peter states ''I grasped a truth I never knew before''.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism''.
Random House & Collins English Dictionaries
PARTIAL, biased or prejudiced in favor of a person, group, side, etc., over another, as in a controversy
BIAS, a tendency toward judging something without full knowledge of it;
prejudice: He has a bias against anyone who is black.
PREJUDICE, intolerance of or dislike for people of a specific race, religion, etc

My statement:
''To be based on God’s grace, independently of any conditions in the person, is to be truly impartial, thus “Unconditional Election”.''

Your Reply: “What a braindead line! There is literally zero impartiality if its not based on conditions from us.” *You wrote that and call me ‘brain dead’?

KingJ, you do a lot of humanistic blather, but the final usage of the word “partial” is dictated by the Bible.

My brothers and sisters, do not claim the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ of glory while showing partiality. For if a person with gold rings and in fine clothes comes into your assembly, and if a poor person in dirty clothes also comes in, and if you take notice of the one wearing the fine clothes and say, “Have a seat here in a good place, please,” while to the one who is poor you say, “Stand there,” or, “Sit by my footstool,” have you not made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? (Jas 2:1-4 NRSVue) *Partiality refers to conditioned upon whether one is rich or poor

For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who is not partial and takes no bribe, who executes justice for the orphan and the widow, and who loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing. (Deu 10:17-18 NRSVue) *Here partial conditioned upon whether a person is orphan or widow, or a stranger

You shall not follow a majority in wrongdoing; when you bear witness in a lawsuit, you shall not side with the majority so as to pervert justice, nor shall you be partial to the poor in a lawsuit. (Exo 23:2-3 NRSVue) *Partiality is conditioned upon whether one is in the majority or poor

You must be impartial and listen to high and low alike: have no fear of your fellows, for judgement belongs to God. But should any case be too difficult for you, refer it to me and I shall hear it.’ (Deut 1:17, REB) *Here partiality is conditioned upon status, high and low alike

God is not partial based on who, what or actions of a person. He is impartial, not prejudiced or biased.

God, who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to his own purpose and grace, and this grace was given to us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, (2Ti 1:9 NRSVue)

even before they had been born or had done anything good or bad (so that God’s purpose of election might continue, not by works but by his call) she was told, “The elder shall serve the younger.” (Rom 9:11-12 NRSVue)

So it depends not on human will or exertion but on God who shows mercy. (Rom 9:16 NRSVue)

For he will render to every man according to his works:… but glory and honor and peace for every one who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality. (Rom 2:10-11, RSV) (Rom 2:6, RSV)

To base God's election on God foreseeing the person's faith, makes God partial! This has God choosing a person who thinks he was just better, or had that divine spark, that ability to believe. This promotes PRIDE in man.

By God’s act you are in Christ Jesus; God has made him our wisdom, and in him we have our righteousness, our holiness, our liberation. Therefore, in the words of scripture, ‘If anyone must boast, let him boast of the Lord.’ (1Cor 1:30-31, REB)
 
I'm curious. You would uphold the good they do, but you yourself would not be a member? Why not? Not your thing, doing good? :)
By the way did I tell you to compare it against the KJV or any particular translation? No, so please don't assume something of me that is not there, and I will do the same for you.

I had asked you to research their doctrines/beliefs. There you will see what they stand for and fall by. Who do they look to for guidance? What book do they swear on? Should they be swearing on anything? Is it the Gospel they believe in, and allow to be preached to those lodge brothers who don't believe? You can go on and on, but works in of themselves will get you very little, and assuredly not saved.

So, your earthly father was Jewish by faith/birth (?) is the example you would go by, and not Scripture itself that is available to you? I loved my dad too, though I only knew him till the age of 10, when he went home to be with the Lord. I admire the little I got to knew of him through my mother who has also gone home. However, that is not what my faith is based upon, no matter the example he set for me to have.

I've met some who believe that just going to church is what saves them! Their words "My parents took me to church every Sunday, and though I don't go as much now (college) I still try to go." This is in response to my question "What makes you saved?"

By the way, the sister I was with talking with the above young man with, who was working on her divinity degree at the time, was a member of the Eastern Star! lol Loved her dearly, and has since gone to be with the Lord.

So, I don't go into this blindly brother, or prejudiced in some different sort of way, like I might be with Catholicism, which I'm not lol. Still I tell you don't promote it as something good, when in truth you don't know what it is, and only assume it through another's actions, be they family or other loved ones. Be like the Bereans and put their doctrine/beliefs/practices against what scripture tells you is right and true.

I can tell you one thing on this. Remember when Peter was arrested, and told by the Sanhedrin before letting them go, not to continue to talk about Jesus? That should be a clue to you to remember concerning this subject.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><
The reason I'm not a member is that I do alot of good on my own and I get blessed in doing so.
I think the Mason's get a bad rap. The Mason's is NOT a religious group. You will NOT find salvation there. They are like the Boy Scouts and other groups that teach and practice charity towards their fellow human beings and good citizenship.
Reading through the Mason's Bible I see alot of Jewishness with Solomons Temple. I also attended a Masonic funeral several years ago and I was blessed by being there. Conservative Christians demonize the Mason's. I guess because the Mason's are doing more to help their fellow human beings than they are? After all church membership has steadily fallen over the last couple of decades. Wonder why?
Shalom Aleichem
 
Partiality refers to conditioned upon whether one is rich or poor

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who is not partial and takes no bribe, who executes justice for the orphan and the widow, and who loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing. (Deu 10:17-18 NRSVue) *Here partial conditioned upon whether a person is orphan or widow, or a stranger

You shall not follow a majority in wrongdoing; when you bear witness in a lawsuit, you shall not side with the majority so as to pervert justice, nor shall you be partial to the poor in a lawsuit. (Exo 23:2-3 NRSVue) *Partiality is conditioned upon whether one is in the majority or poor

You must be impartial and listen to high and low alike: have no fear of your fellows, for judgement belongs to God. But should any case be too difficult for you, refer it to me and I shall hear it.’ (Deut 1:17, REB) *Here partiality is conditioned upon status, high and low alike

God is not partial based on who, what or actions of a person. He is impartial, not prejudiced or biased.

God, who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to his own purpose and grace, and this grace was given to us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, (2Ti 1:9 NRSVue)

even before they had been born or had done anything good or bad (so that God’s purpose of election might continue, not by works but by his call) she was told, “The elder shall serve the younger.” (Rom 9:11-12 NRSVue)

So it depends not on human will or exertion but on God who shows mercy. (Rom 9:16 NRSVue)

For he will render to every man according to his works:… but glory and honor and peace for every one who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality. (Rom 2:10-11, RSV) (Rom 2:6, RSV)

To base God's election on God foreseeing the person's faith, makes God partial! This has God choosing a person who thinks he was just better, or had that divine spark, that ability to believe. This promotes PRIDE in man.

By God’s act you are in Christ Jesus; God has made him our wisdom, and in him we have our righteousness, our holiness, our liberation. Therefore, in the words of scripture, ‘If anyone must boast, let him boast of the Lord.’ (1Cor 1:30-31, REB)

You are creating a red herring and not dealing with the points made in my post. I have a million better things to do than to entertain a discussion with a person who is intellectually dishonest.
 
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