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[BroTan]

Wow...just...wow... We see where "God said..." and where "Eve said..." and where the "serpent said..."; but no where do we see that "the tree said..."

If its too hard to follow, I can try to break it down to a 3rd grade level of understanding...but 99% of the Christian world who has read this narrative, understands that the serpent can only speak because it is possessed by satan at the time.

Do I need to break it down, or can you understand that?

In Genesis 3: 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

So is the tree of knowledge of good and evil the serpent, one and the same. Read it, it's all there.

 

[Shaolin]

In Genesis 3: 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

So is the tree of knowledge of good and evil the serpent, one and the same. Read it, it's all there.

I gave you the full quotation, and this nonsense is what you come back with? I almost want to know what demonic spirit you are listening too, for future reference sake...

Since I gave it to you once, in full detail, and you ignored it, there's no further reason to continue.

What is it with these "things" who have "brother" in their title names? They seem to have fallen out of the same tree...and it isn't the tree of life, neither...

 

[Rhema]

In Genesis 3: 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

So is the tree of knowledge of good and evil the serpent, one and the same. Read it, it's all there.

This is so bizarre, ... so "off the cuff" mushroom thinking, that no statement of Truth could possibly be made.

Rhema

 

[BroTan]

This is so bizarre, ... so "off the cuff" mushroom thinking, that no statement of Truth could possibly be made.

Rhema

Ok then let's add another verse to this in Genesis 3: 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Now let's look's at the tree of knowledge good of evil and who is the serpent here? Are they one and the same?

 

[BroTan]

I gave you the full quotation, and this nonsense is what you come back with? I almost want to know what demonic spirit you are listening too, for future reference sake...

Since I gave it to you once, in full detail, and you ignored it, there's no further reason to continue.

What is it with these "things" who have "brother" in their title names? They seem to have fallen out of the same tree...and it isn't the tree of life, neither...

Ok then let's add another verse to this in Genesis 3: 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Now let's look's at the tree of knowledge good of evil and who is the serpent here? Are they one and the same?

 

[Rhema]

Now let's look's at the tree of knowledge good of evil and who is the serpent here? Are they one and the same?

No they are not one and the same. There's absolutely no linguistic basis for such a conclusion. The tree is a tree, and the serpent is a serpent (albeit one possessed by Satan).

Look at the context of the chapter. (And I can't believe you have me playing the context card.)

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.​

(Genesis 2:9 KJV)​

The narrative is about trees. Trees growing up out of the ground. Trees that are pleasant to the sight, and more importantly trees (lots of trees.... many trees) that are good for food. Is God talking about people here? Uh... no. He's talking about trees. Actual trees, of which, as you well know, were two special trees. So where are these trees?

And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.​

(Genesis 2:8 KJV)​

The trees are in a garden. A garden is where food is grown. That's all. A tree is just a tree. They grow food (fruit). And fruit has specific biological properties for the sustenance of life. That's why we eat food. I'm not trying to be a smartass... (really). But in truth, the context of the narrative is that there exists two trees amongst all the other food trees (and plants) that have special biological properties beyond that of mere enzymes and amino-acids and vitamins (etc.) As an example, aspirin is a special biological compound that comes from bark of a Willow tree.

Willow bark extract became recognized for its specific effects on fever, pain, and inflammation in the mid-eighteenth century.​

Aspirin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

NO, I am not saying that aspirin was the actual operative compound in either of the special trees, but that trees have molecular compounds that affect the biological operation of the human body. (Need I say Marijuana? I've already mentioned mushrooms...)

Now if the two special food trees are people, then ALL the trees in the garden are people too, and that's what I find to be "mushroom thinking" - if that's your premise (i.e. presuppositional foundation) - that trees mean people, then I have no idea how to continue on with any rational discussion.

The trees are trees. Two of the trees in the garden (an actual garden) had fruit containing special molecular compounds that were not safe for humans at that time.

The serpent lied to Eve, and succeeded in having Adam and Eve eat something they ought not to. (And YEGODS has it been millennia of a hangover since.)

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.​

(John 8:44 KJV)​

Rhema

 

[Shaolin]

Ok then let's add another verse to this in Genesis 3: 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Now let's look's at the tree of knowledge good of evil and who is the serpent here? Are they one and the same?

(Yawn)...we have been over this already, you are like a dog running in circles chasing his tail that he can NEVER catch...

 

[BroTan]

(Yawn)...we have been over this already, you are like a dog running in circles chasing his tail that he can NEVER catch...

This is the conversation that started the death to mankind. This is why we die today and you disregard this as if it's not needed to understand today.
Paul says in Romans 5: 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

This act happen in Genesis the 3rd chapter, wake up!!

 

[BroTan]

No they are not one and the same. There's absolutely no linguistic basis for such a conclusion. The tree is a tree, and the serpent is a serpent (albeit one possessed by Satan).

Look at the context of the chapter. (And I can't believe you have me playing the context card.)

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.​

(Genesis 2:9 KJV)​

The narrative is about trees. Trees growing up out of the ground. Trees that are pleasant to the sight, and more importantly trees (lots of trees.... many trees) that are good for food. Is God talking about people here? Uh... no. He's talking about trees. Actual trees, of which, as you well know, were two special trees. So where are these trees?

And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.​

(Genesis 2:8 KJV)​

The trees are in a garden. A garden is where food is grown. That's all. A tree is just a tree. They grow food (fruit). And fruit has specific biological properties for the sustenance of life. That's why we eat food. I'm not trying to be a smartass... (really). But in truth, the context of the narrative is that there exists two trees amongst all the other food trees (and plants) that have special biological properties beyond that of mere enzymes and amino-acids and vitamins (etc.) As an example, aspirin is a special biological compound that comes from bark of a Willow tree.

Willow bark extract became recognized for its specific effects on fever, pain, and inflammation in the mid-eighteenth century.​

Aspirin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

NO, I am not saying that aspirin was the actual operative compound in either of the special trees, but that trees have molecular compounds that affect the biological operation of the human body. (Need I say Marijuana? I've already mentioned mushrooms...)

Now if the two special food trees are people, then ALL the trees in the garden are people too, and that's what I find to be "mushroom thinking" - if that's your premise (i.e. presuppositional foundation) - that trees mean people, then I have no idea how to continue on with any rational discussion.

The trees are trees. Two of the trees in the garden (an actual garden) had fruit containing special molecular compounds that were not safe for humans at that time.

The serpent lied to Eve, and succeeded in having Adam and Eve eat something they ought not to. (And YEGODS has it been millennia of a hangover since.)

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.​

(John 8:44 KJV)​

Rhema

Pay attention to what you are reading in Genesis 2: 9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


It's only two trees in the garden and Adam, then later comes Eve. Read!!

 

[Rhema]

It's only two trees in the garden and Adam, then later comes Eve. Read!!

And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life ALSO in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.​

(Genesis 2:8-9 KJV)​

Indeed, in the middle of the garden of trees (plural), both for decoration and food, there were ALSO two significantly special trees.

And you're telling ME to read ?!?! I read trees when it says trees. You somehow think trees are people. As I've said, this has gone down the rabbit hole into mushroom thinking.

Rhema

 

[BroTan]

And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life ALSO in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.​

(Genesis 2:8-9 KJV)​

Indeed, in the middle of the garden of trees (plural), both for decoration and food, there were ALSO two significantly special trees.

And you're telling ME to read ?!?! I read trees when it says trees. You somehow think trees are people. As I've said, this has gone down the rabbit hole into mushroom thinking.

Rhema

Here's where the deception started. (Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: (v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE: Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to who?

 

[Rhema]

Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to who?

Not the tree .....

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman,

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:​

(Genesis 3:4 KJV)​

Rhema

 

[Shaolin]

Not the tree .....

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:​

(Genesis 3:4 KJV)​

Rhema

Dude...lost cause...

 

[Rhema]

Dude...lost cause...

He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.​

(Luke 13:6-9 KJV)​

Just needs more dung...

Rhema

(... meaning a shared beer under the tree out back in summer... I think @BroTan and I would get along great.)

 

[Shaolin]

He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.​

(Luke 13:6-9 KJV)​

Just needs more dung...

Rhema

(... meaning a shared beer under the tree out back in summer... I think @BroTan and I would get along great.)

LOL!!!

Good luck! ; )

 

[BroTan]

Not the tree .....

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:​

(Genesis 3:4 KJV)​

Rhema

Read it all in Genesis 3: 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

So what tree was commanded not to eat. Let's take another look in Genesis 2: 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.


Connect it all together, because you see what's being said here in the text, you trying not to be taught, but I know you can read and understand this.
See you know who the woman is or who she is and her name, you know her name is Eve, but when it comes to making the others connection you make light of it.

 

[Rhema]

So what tree was commanded not to eat.

No tree was commanded to do anything. (Look, I can only deal with what you actually wrote. Okay?)

So what tree was ADAM commanded not to eat ??

Uh... the one he ate from ??

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.​

(Genesis 3:5-7 KJV)​

And just what tree had fruit that would "open the eyes" to know good and evil ??

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

(Genesis 2:16-17 KJV)​

The tree about whose fruit God said (in literal Hebrew) ... "dying thou doest die."

You still seem to be in mushroom land, bro, if you cannot see that the LORD God commanded the MAN... (not the tree)...

However, ... you rightly recognize that the first question God asked of Adam, "Who told thee that thou wast naked?" was left unanswered in the Biblical text. Decades ago God directed my attention to this question, and then told me the answer... and no, it wasn't the tree who told Adam.

The trees ain't talking (unless you're on mushrooms...)

Adam ate the FRUIT from the Tree, and gave himself brain damage, not unlike those those who (ahem...) eat those mushrooms. God asked... "did you EAT" not did you talk to the trees.

Rhema

(Just curious... no condemnation implied, but how many mushrooms have you eaten? I guess I mean the magic kind.)

 

[Christina2000]

And Jesus came and spake unto them saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the Holy Ghost;" (Matthew 28:18-19). These two verses have been mistakenly taught for generations. One mistake religious leaders make is baptizing people without teaching them about Jesus and His doctrine (teaching). Romans 10: verse 17, informs us that faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Therefore, how can you baptize someone in a belief (faith), when the person being baptized, has no knowledge about faith? Contrary to popular beliefs, faith in Jesus is more than calling his name. It’s about knowing the name you are calling on. "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" (Romans10:13-15).

Only a bible preacher can instruct out of the bible. Jesus warned us that many false prophets have gone out into the world; so, please, make sure that your preacher has been sent by God. You can tell the false prophets by their fruit (deeds); if they are not reading and living the entire bible then do not take heed (listen) to them.


Let us return to the main lesson. In Matthew 28, verse 19, the Lord commands his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, the son, and the Holy Ghost. This is where religious leaders make their second mistake concerning baptism. They (religious leaders) will submerge (bring under water) the same person three times, to uphold the commandment to baptize in the name of the Father, son, and Holy Ghost. However, "Father", and "Son" are not names, but are a status to describe one's position in life; and the Holy Ghost is slang for the Holy Spirit. Jesus said to be baptized "in the name of the Father, son, and Holy Ghost", so, let's find someone with a name that relates to all three.

Jesus Christ said, "I am come in my father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." (John 5:43). This scripture informs us that both the father and the son's name is Jesus, because Jesus said that he came in his father's name. Jesus also, said; "But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26). The Lord has spoken! We are to baptize, and be baptized in the name of Jesus. There are no exceptions!

Hi,
Yes, I am baptized in my own church and confirmed. All as an adult. This was absolutely vital to me. I think there is something extra good in coming to Christ as a mature adult. For me it was a profound deeply emotional thing to give my life to Jesus in front of my family and friends.

 

[BroTan]

Hi,
Yes, I am baptized in my own church and confirmed. All as an adult. This was absolutely vital to me. I think there is something extra good in coming to Christ as a mature adult. For me it was a profound deeply emotional thing to give my life to Jesus in front of my family and friends.

Praise the Lord, because Jesus says "And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

 

[BroTan]

No tree was commanded to do anything. (Look, I can only deal with what you actually wrote. Okay?)

So what tree was ADAM commanded not to eat ??

Uh... the one he ate from ??

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.​

(Genesis 3:5-7 KJV)​

And just what tree had fruit that would "open the eyes" to know good and evil ??

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

(Genesis 2:16-17 KJV)​

The tree about whose fruit God said (in literal Hebrew) ... "dying thou doest die."

You still seem to be in mushroom land, bro, if you cannot see that the LORD God commanded the MAN... (not the tree)...

However, ... you rightly recognize that the first question God asked of Adam, "Who told thee that thou wast naked?" was left unanswered in the Biblical text. Decades ago God directed my attention to this question, and then told me the answer... and no, it wasn't the tree who told Adam.

The trees ain't talking (unless you're on mushrooms...)

Adam ate the FRUIT from the Tree, and gave himself brain damage, not unlike those those who (ahem...) eat those mushrooms. God asked... "did you EAT" not did you talk to the trees.

Rhema

(Just curious... no condemnation implied, but how many mushrooms have you eaten? I guess I mean the magic kind.)

In the scriptures it's written in Proverbs 14: 6 A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: But knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.