Have someone convince you, that GOD is so loving He will not send you to hell? Because it seems Like it is not important to you

[PloughBoy]

Considering what you say here I must ask why then do you start so many threads and encourage others to be readers of the Bible?
One would assume you are trying to make a point with the threads, but if your not willing to defend your stance why are you taking one?

Can I also assume that since you cannot or will not answer the questions you don't know the answers, or are not willing to dig for them?
You would make a fine politician always skirting the questions with a lot of rhetorical @@@!@!@!@!

I do not see the paradigm from where you are speaking. I have made it clear in "layman Terms" as plain as i could . I did make clear statements where i stand and purpose who i am. I made solid statements. Hard as a rock. Of course i would not make a good politician, because i would have to lie a lot and wear the cloak of deception. In which my GOD in whom i believe as the "Holy Scripture" teaches would declare me an "enemy of GOD".

In no way whatsoever am i or even trying to impress or to please mankind in any form.

A honest and True "Atheist" reads the bible and know its contents in every corner of the Book, just to prove that there is no "GOD". But a phony atheist will not read the Bible, that person is just a lazy person. And like to give excuses in everything. Now, how is that for "Philosophical" thought? And i could prove, also by "Theological" thought and patterns through the "WORDS of GOD" and not the words of a "mortal man".

Note: i am not talking about about the people who has a "Handicap of illiteracy" for GOD has a special place of Grace, that is extended to them, And always will. "another" "Remnant, According to Grace"

Like I said "i'm different" for I am one of Those "Strange people" a "Peculiar People" Strange that I am. " a Chosen Group of People" that is among the "FEW"

A strange language that i speak. Who many have called, the language of "Calvinese" For it is a "gift" from GOD, and not earn. "Hallelujah" "from whom all blessing and praises flow."

I cannot defend GOD, nor can i defend myself, I am just a mere mortal, if GOD cannot defend himself, He must not be GOD!

Why do I start threads here? Because, I like to talk about HIM and His character, Judgments, And the destination and "Manifestation of The GLORY of GOD" that is to be. that has been "illuminated" to me and many others throughout the centuries pertaining to :The Manifestation of The Sons of GOD".

Some like to talk about football, i don't, some like to talk about baseball, i don't, some cars, some vacation trips, some sports, some, kids, some careers, some politics, houses, lands, fishing, celebrities, denominations, religion, i don't. Non-canonical books, pseudepigrapha books, Deuterocanonical books, I don't. Philosophical thinkers, been there done it. None of them are impressive to me. But oh how the "prefix" and the "suffix" meaning have so many meaning and avenues. For In "Etymology" have rendered many words useless. In less GOD has given you the "Gift" of Languages in many forms.

And may I say, i am not a friend of "Eisegesis" neither am I a partner of "Speculations' concerning The "Biblical Text" of Holy Scripture. Either, implicitly or explicitly. and "Antinomianism" is a big No No.

I have tried, to my best ability to explain myself again in my best explanation in a case of "layman terms' concerning where i stand, concerning "The Gospel ACCORDING to JESUS CHRIST" who is The "ANOINTED ONE" of "The ALMIGHTY GOD" THE "TETRAGRAMMATON"!

For many have found my words hard to eat but later, many have found it is not hard to eat, but "slow to eat".

The Greatest Commandment
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One. And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart [mind]and with all your soul and with all your strength. These words I am commanding you today are to be upon your hearts.…"

He has not change, This is a command to all of His people. ....For that is our GOAL!..... And what is sin?............ "Missing the Mark" on The "Bull's Eye".
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For many of us, are also "warriors" and are in training to be skilled and able, to "Hit the MARK" from a long way out!

How sweet it is. "for brothers to dwell together in unity" no matter how strange it may be. for it is like;

(Psalms 133)KJV
"Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
it is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;"

Such a strange group of People we are.... and the strange Oil, that is poured upon our heads. Strangers we are in a strange land among strange people of a foreign land. For "Pilgrims" that we are.

 

[Gregoryp]

"9- Not of works lest any man should boast." You chose Jesus? Sounds like self righteousness to me, not to mention a little boasting." I had to respond to this, in these evil times people are indeed choosing Jesus, even people that you would be surprised to see going to a church building. They realised that this world has absolutely have nothing to offer, therefore the only alternative has to be the afterlife with christ. Hence the parable of the harvest and lack of workers.

 

[Gregoryp]

I do not see the paradigm from where you are speaking. I have made it clear in "layman Terms" as plain as i could . I did make clear statements where i stand and purpose who i am. I made solid statements. Hard as a rock. Of course i would not make a good politician, because i would have to lie a lot and wear the cloak of deception. In which my GOD in whom i believe as the "Holy Scripture" teaches would declare me an "enemy of GOD".

In no way whatsoever am i or even trying to impress or to please mankind in any form.

A honest and True "Atheist" reads the bible and know its contents in every corner of the Book, just to prove that there is no "GOD". But a phony atheist will not read the Bible, that person is just a lazy person. And like to give excuses in everything. Now, how is that for "Philosophical" thought? And i could prove, also by "Theological" thought and patterns through the "WORDS of GOD" and not the words of a "mortal man".

Note: i am not talking about about the people who has a "Handicap of illiteracy" for GOD has a special place of Grace, that is extended to them, And always will. "another" "Remnant, According to Grace"

Like I said "i'm different" for I am one of Those "Strange people" a "Peculiar People" Strange that I am. " a Chosen Group of People" that is among the "FEW"

A strange language that i speak. Who many have called, the language of "Calvinese" For it is a "gift" from GOD, and not earn. "Hallelujah" "from whom all blessing and praises flow."

I cannot defend GOD, nor can i defend myself, I am just a mere mortal, if GOD cannot defend himself, He must not be GOD!

Why do I start threads here? Because, I like to talk about HIM and His character, Judgments, And the destination and "Manifestation of The GLORY of GOD" that is to be. that has been "illuminated" to me and many others throughout the centuries pertaining to :The Manifestation of The Sons of GOD".

Some like to talk about football, i don't, some like to talk about baseball, i don't, some cars, some vacation trips, some sports, some, kids, some careers, some politics, houses, lands, fishing, celebrities, denominations, religion, i don't. Non-canonical books, pseudepigrapha books, Deuterocanonical books, I don't. Philosophical thinkers, been there done it. None of them are impressive to me. But oh how the "prefix" and the "suffix" meaning have so many meaning and avenues. For In "Etymology" have rendered many words useless. In less GOD has given you the "Gift" of Languages in many forms.

And may I say, i am not a friend of "Eisegesis" neither am I a partner of "Speculations' concerning The "Biblical Text" of Holy Scripture. Either, implicitly or explicitly. and "Antinomianism" is a big No No.

I have tried, to my best ability to explain myself again in my best explanation in a case of "layman terms' concerning where i stand, concerning "The Gospel ACCORDING to JESUS CHRIST" who is The "ANOINTED ONE" of "The ALMIGHTY GOD" THE "TETRAGRAMMATON"!

For many have found my words hard to eat but later, many have found it is not hard to eat, but "slow to eat".

The Greatest Commandment
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One. And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart [mind]and with all your soul and with all your strength. These words I am commanding you today are to be upon your hearts.…"

He has not change, This is a command to all of His people. ....For that is our GOAL!..... And what is sin?............ "Missing the Mark" on The "Bull's Eye".
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For many of us, are also "warriors" and are in training to be skilled and able, to "Hit the MARK" from a long way out!

How sweet it is. "for brothers to dwell together in unity" no matter how strange it may be. for it is like;

(Psalms 133)KJV
"Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
it is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;"

Such a strange group of People we are.... and the strange Oil, that is poured upon our heads. Strangers we are in a strange land among strange people of a foreign land. For "Pilgrims" that we are.

Like I said "i'm different" for I am one of Those "Strange people" a "Peculiar People" Strange that I am. " a Chosen Group of People" that is among the "FEW.

Welcome to the club my friend

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Samson,
I am a simple man, and I take Scripture as the Spirit moves me to understand it, and share it. So, I usually take one thing at a time, and move from there, while trying to stay the course that makes sense to the simplest of us. At least this is my hope.

To be upfront, I may not reply quickly to any reply you may post. Family duties take much of my time lately, which has kept me away from my responsibilities here at Talk Jesus as a Moderator. I was told of this thread, and your beliefs, and felt moved to reply as I have. At least in order to come to comprehend your understanding of the doctrine you are setting forth here and not misconstruing it or you. Now to your initial post #6.

Who can be a believer except he who has received mercy from God? Thus He concluded ALL in unbelief so that He might have mercy on ALL.
Romans 11:32 NIV " For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have MERCY ON THEM ALL."

I want to point out that this is contextual. Who were those that he was talking to first, and then who was Paul talking about here. Surely, not "everyone" or humanity in general, but rather quite specific.
So, if you look at Romans 11:30 which leaves one to believe that Paul was talking to believers, which of course included Gentiles, and not all people in verse Romans 11:32 that you suggest. This is confirmed by looking at Romans 11:26-32 in which he has identifying God as making disobedient the Nation of Israeli. One can look at Jesus's own words in Matthew 21:42 that reaffirms this position. The parable of the wicked vinedressers is enlightening to this point.

Now to the good part.

1 Co 15:22 "For as in ADAM all DIE, even so in Christ SHALL all be made ALIVE." 23- But every man in his own order.....................

Again context. Understanding that what is being talked about which we all understand is the "Resurrection". 1 Corinthians 15:20-20 we see that this is the case. Which is also pointed to in Acts 24:15, and other scripture as well. However, we also understand that though all will be resurrected, that there is also a judgment to occur. Can't have judgment pronounced on the dead can we , so alive they must be, and so the resurrection for all peoples.

Note: It appears that you are forgetting context on purpose or not. Only you can say the reasoning for doing so. I can only rationalize that its for the purpose of just putting forth the doctrine of Universalism, or that it's your general manner of determining what God would have you know when you read Scripture, and so a habit of study. Topic first, and then pulling Scripture verses, without context (?).

Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offense of one (Adam), judgement came upon ALL MEN to CONDEMNATION (Gods judgement); even so by the righteousness of one (Jesus) the FREE GIFT
came upon ALL MEN to JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE (Gods judgement)."
Both the condemnation and the justification were decrees by the Father according to what Adam had done or Jesus did. Neither decree had anything to do with anyone other than those two
men, but the decrees affected every one ever born and Adam and Eve as well.

1 Co 15:25 "For He(Jesus) must reign until He (God) has put ALL ENEMIES under His (Jesus') feet.' 26- "The last enemy to be destroyed is death."

The only way to accomplish the destruction of death is that every man should be made alive unto God in Christ as stated above in 1 Co 15:22

Again the usage of 1 Corinthians 15:25 as well as Romans 5:18 allows the concept which I believe you are wanting to provide justification for is Universalism (all will be saved). By tying 1 Corinthians 15:22 to your discussion here without acknowledging that there are two types of people being discussed; believer, and non-believer. This allows your statement to be true that all will be made alive because of Christ, without the purpose for this being brought forward (judgment) (Hebrews 9:27).

There are many many lines upon lines and precepts upon precepts that are necessary to understand the Love of God, and how He could eventually bring All into life through Christ, but
1 Co 15:22-23 tells us that He intends to do just that. Otherwise the power of sin would be greater than the willing sacrifice of the Son, and Jesus died for ALL not just some.

Who is being spoken to in 1 Corinthians 15? Is it to all peoples or to the believers at the Church of Corinth? This is why context which I'm sure you are aware of, having read some of your other postings here in which you mention it. So, it really comes down to when one decides to consider not only the verses prior or after are necessary to the point being made. To me always, but then it may also may need to consider the greater context, Book, Testament, and even the entirety of Scripture to occur. So, placing what is seen to be for the believers to include non-believers as well, is misleading. For surely it is understood that Jesus died for the World, but one should also acknowledge if and does the World accept His Sacrifice. Believing so, does not negate our Lord's Saving Grace!

That being said I do agree with you that "All" will be resurrected, but it appears that you don't believe that the purpose of doing so, is different, with differing results. I can't say that for sure, but in allowing yourself to be labeled or as you have stated a self proclaimed "Universalist" (your #10 post in reply to #9 post). It has the reader here at Talk Jesus thinking that you believe "all" will be saved irrespective of ones individual's belief. I hope you understand that I have answered your post as just a regular member. However, in good conscious I'm letting you know here that I'll be sending you a PM as a Moderator concerning this.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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[Garee]

For I am Not A christian so i do not act like one, neither do i talk like one. For I am different. I do not explain it, but i might "Quote" it, or Print it out and sometimes i might "Paraphrase" it, of what he has said into the "english" language into the "vernacular" or in a type of "idiom" that hearers may understand. And this too, is considered in the "category" of The "Gift of Languages" that is given to HIs "children" for it was "Prophesies" a long time ago that it would come to pass. It was a" Promise" written down In "Scripture" and Scripture cannot be broken.

If you do not act as a Christian the new name God promised to name his bride the church previously calling her born again Israel


If not then who is is your foundation if not Christ the founder of the heavenly City prepared as the one bride the church ?

What is the idea of "Gift of Languages" ?

Is it the poetic tongue of Gods mysteries found in parables that the bible calls our new tongue , prophecy ?

 

[PloughBoy]

If you do not act as a Christian the new name God promised to name his bride the church previously calling her born again Israel


If not then who is is your foundation if not Christ the founder of the heavenly City prepared as the one bride the church ?

What is the idea of "Gift of Languages" ?

Is it the poetic tongue of Gods mysteries found in parables that the bible calls our new tongue , prophecy ?

I tell you one thing i ain't putting on a dress! And i am not a bride I am a "Son" You can walk down the aisle all you want, dress up in a wedding dress, and heels I ain't doing it. I am going be looking like "Jesus" and maybe with a beard. So iF want to look like a "Bride" more power to you! That "prefix" ain't for me. "You might be a Bride but I am one of the "Sons" and that "dress" don't fitt! And my feet to big to wear heels.


Children of God (1 John)BSB
"Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason The world does not know us is that it did not know Him. Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.…"

[God is not into incest] For i ain't marrying my adopted "brother"......Now I can only speak for myself.

And Jesus did say this:
New King James Version
"For in the resurrection they neither" marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven."

That word that has been translate into the word "Church" has become "Feminine" in your language and presentation. My vote is go back to the old school and label the body of Believers in the true tone. "The Saints of GOD" or "The Body of Christ" or "The Sons of GOD" or The "Children of GOD" or "God's Congregation" or "God's Assembly" or "The People of GOD". or "The People of The WAY".

You said: "Garee"
"If you do not act as a Christian [female] the new name God promised to name his bride the church previously calling her born again Israel"

But You put it in the {feminine] not me. GOD , "THE TETRAGRAMMATON" have never call his children "the church". Never!

And you can not convince me i will be a bride For I am A "Child of The Living GOD" one of the Sons!

I ain't putting on a wedding dress!

 

[Garee]

I tell you one thing i ain't putting on a dress! And i am not a bride I am a "Son" You can walk down the aisle all you want, dress up in a wedding dress, and heels I ain't doing it. I am going be looking like "Jesus" and maybe with a beard. So iF want to look like a "Bride" more power to you! That "prefix" ain't for me. "You might be a Bride but I am one of the "Sons" and that "dress" don't fitt! And my feet to big to wear heels.


Children of God (1 John)BSB
"Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason The world does not know us is that it did not know Him. Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.…"

[God is not into incest] For i ain't marrying my adopted "brother"......Now I can only speak for myself.

And Jesus did say this:
New King James Version
"For in the resurrection they neither" marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven."

That word that has been translate into the word "Church" has become "Feminine" in your language and presentation. My vote is go back to the old school and label the body of Believers in the true tone. "The Saints of GOD" or "The Body of Christ" or "The Sons of GOD" or The "Children of GOD" or "God's Congregation" or "God's Assembly" or "The People of GOD". or "The People of The WAY".

You said: "Garee"
"If you do not act as a Christian [female] the new name God promised to name his bride the church previously calling her born again Israel"

But You put it in the {feminine] not me. GOD , "THE TETRAGRAMMATON" have never call his children "the church". Never!

And you can not convince me i will be a bride For I am A "Child of The Living GOD" one of the Sons!

I ain't putting on a wedding dress!

Hi thanks for the reply. Its something I keep on the back burner .

Not a salvation issue .More of how do we hear or say we hear the understanding of God ?

I can understand the need for feeling of being a macho man. I at 73 am stuck as 12 going on 13 .

As sons of God which Christians as are (mankind) we are not what we will be.

1 John 3:1-2 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The father of lies would have us today be agender . But the commandment to be fruitful and multiply is still in effect under the Sun . In that we we are to know no man as mankind after the flesh to include the Son of man ,Jesus . 1 Corinthians 5:16 . God is not a man as us.

But we must obey our husband Christ who does work in us like he worked in Paul as a surrogate womb a mother . The church as the mother of us all again in a hope Christ will do the work of giving us a new incorruptible body . Which as sons of God (mankind, men and woman) have not received the new bodies all will receive it a his chaste virgin bride.

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,


2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Chaste virgin, called the brethren (mankind) not married, a widow, either gender

Its another reason in the new born again family of God we are to call each other brothers, sisters and mothers . Never Holy Father. . one is our unseen Father God.

Mark 3:34-35 King James Version And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

The bride of Christ is the church previously named her Israel as in all Israel is not born again Israel , she was renamed by the father in Acts, a more befitting name to represent all the nations of the world "Christian" a demonym. . a word that identifies people by location.

Like Corinthian or Galatians named after its founders.

Christian a word with no other meaning added meaning ; "residents of the city of Christ prepared as his bride named after her husband Christ".

Galatians 26-29 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

In another way I think a person could say its the kind of religion God puts his seal of approval on . Motherly love aiding those who once had no heavenly Father as widows, unmarried, before they heard the gospel of their salvation .The chaste virgin bride, the church

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

 

[PloughBoy]

Well, you can have all the babies you want, i ain't no bride, You need to read your own material that you type. On one you say there is no gender, then in the next breath you are a "bride" sounds like a identity problem to me. You all over the board today you a son, next minute you are "bride" and the next You married and got a "Husband" then you start talking about have babies Then you say the church is my Mother, That stuff you talking, I don't need no mother to be "born from above" GOD does not need a wife to created "Sons" if he wants too HE can created "Sons" from rocks.

You said also: 'Garee'
:But we must obey our husband Christ who does work in us like he worked in Paul as a surrogate womb a mother . The church as the mother of us all again in a hope Christ will do the work of giving us a new incorruptible body . Which as sons of God (mankind, men and woman) have not received the new bodies all will receive it a his chaste virgin bride."
and you said:
Christian a word with no other meaning added meaning ; "residents of the city of Christ prepared as his bride named after her husband Christ".

May i ask this in kindness and brotherly love, Are you taking medication? If so i would have a better understanding of whats going on.

 

[Hekuran]

I don't see any indication that @Garee has an identity problem. He's just adopting the Bible's symbolic language.

The Bible is rich in metaphor, and the symbolism of bride of Christ is part of that richness. Belonging to the bride of Christ doesn't entail being effeminate or dressing in white any more than being a treasure in a jar of clay entails living inside a pot.

Revelation talks of the marriage of the Lamb and the new Jerusalem. Literally, this would mean a sheep getting wed to a town. But we are sensitive enough to not take figurative or symbolic language at its literal face value, no?

 

[Samson2020]

If I may I would like to attempt to shed a bit of light on this issue of BRIDE, sons.
We know that the natural things help explain the spiritual things.

The rib of Adam was used to create the woman.
The "rib" of God is the source for all the spirits of mankind, and as Eve was the wife or woman able to produce offspring of the man, so also we are the feminine portion of the union between
us and Christ. Romans 11:36 "For of Him, and through Him, and to Him are all things: to whom be glory for ever, Amen." Col 2:10 So also are you complete through your UNION with Christ,
who is the head and ruler over every authority."
Once the baptism in the Holy Ghost has occurred you then are considered a spiritually begotten son of God, (a new creature) even though you are just in gestational form, growing up into that
spiritual son that will be revealed in due time.
Just as Jesus was spiritually begotten at the river Jordan when He received His baptism in the Holy Spirit, He became the first spiritually begotten Son of God. Then once perfected by the
things He suffered He became a life giving Spirit. 1 Co 15:45, Heb 5:9

Take this for what you can glean from it.
Jesus was given life within Himself by the Father (John 5:26), then perfected by the Father to be the author of eternal salvation(Heb 5:9) to the rest
of His brethren.
God turned over the reins of Holy Ghost baptism to Jesus once He had been perfected.
This is why John the baptist says what he says in
Luke 3:16 That one cometh that baptizes with the Holy Ghost and with fire. And
John 1:33 And I knew Him not: but He that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending and remaining on Him, the same is
He that baptizes with the Holy Ghost. This we know only occurred to Jesus during His ministry, thus His Father did it to Him as God gave Him the Holy Ghost without measure,
but was given to the elect, of the day, after His resurrection and assencion. He became the life giver, spiritually.

Psalms 34:2" My soul shall make HER boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof and be glad."

 

[PloughBoy]

I don't see any indication that @Garee has an identity problem. He's just adopting the Bible's symbolic language.

The Bible is rich in metaphor, and the symbolism of bride of Christ is part of that richness. Belonging to the bride of Christ doesn't entail being effeminate or dressing in white any more than being a treasure in a jar of clay entails living inside a pot.

Revelation talks of the marriage of the Lamb and the new Jerusalem. Literally, this would mean a sheep getting wed to a town. But we are sensitive enough to not take figurative or symbolic language at its literal face value, no?

No it is in "Anthropomorphic" words and terms> Now in common christians terms for the "layman" at large> So that the common man may understand "universally"; definition is below. Simple terms that even a child could understand, "The Simplicity of Christ" That cannot be "reputed".

"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;.. One Lord, one faith, one baptism, ..One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Etymology:
Anthropomorphism derives from its verb form anthropomorphize,[a] itself derived from the Greek ánthrōpos (ἄνθρωπος, lit. "human") and morphē (μορφή, "form"). It is first attested in 1753, originally in reference to the heresy of applying a human form to the Christian God.Anthropomorphism - Wikipedia[1].

Done for the "edification" of The "Body of Christ" which is worldwide in every nation. In the "Name of JESUS". For we have an "intelligent GOD" who use "Anthropomorphic" words to convey His Truth and Character that a mere mortal, born of His Spirit and wash in His WORD to understand what HE wish us to know. By a "Divine decree" being revealed to some and not all, for this to is HIS will, and not the will of mankind.

Wow He is A "AWESOME GOD" The "TETRAGRAMMATON"

(John 15)BSB
"You are My friends if you do what I command you. ..No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not understand what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you. ...You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will remain—so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.…"

 

[Garee]

All men are called by God not all men accept the calling. Have you read the parrabbe of the weeding feast?? Everyone made excuses why they could not come.

You seem to want to take away our responsiblity yet Jesus himself say if anyone knock he will enter and have dinner with them, he tells us all that seek him will find him, the issue is not all seek him

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

You see we have to open the door to Jesus calling, plenty of people just do not open the door, the cares of the this world such as the riches and pleasure here choke out what is important.

Samson the problem with your theology is that is encourages SIN and says live like you want now and later on we all be saved,,,,,,, this is simply not true how you live now determines wear you live for eternaty

The all in all men represent as many as the father has given the son. Not one more or one less It would be like shopping for pickles in a barrows .Many barrels make up all the pickles.

The same with the Revaltion 3 . If a person hears the understanding of God and if Christ moves to open the door then they can eat together yoked with Christ. Some hear the voice taste of the heavenly and then fall away crucifying Christ over and over to public shame as if one work as a labor of love of the father and Son was not enough to appease the wrath of God.

It is Christ who works in us to both to reveal his will and empower us by opening the door so that we can taste and see that he is our good Lord and Master alone . Drinking in self edification leaves one empty .

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Garee,

may i add to what you put forth?

Hi thanks for the reply. Its something I keep on the back burner .

Not a salvation issue .More of how do we hear or say we hear the understanding of God ?

I can understand the need for feeling of being a macho man. I at 73 am stuck as 12 going on 13 .

As sons of God which Christians as are (mankind) we are not what we will be.

1 John 3:1-2 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The father of lies would have us today be agender . But the commandment to be fruitful and multiply is still in effect under the Sun . In that we we are to know no man as mankind after the flesh to include the Son of man ,Jesus . 1 Corinthians 5:16 . God is not a man as us.

But we must obey our husband Christ who does work in us like he worked in Paul as a surrogate womb a mother . The church as the mother of us all again in a hope Christ will do the work of giving us a new incorruptible body . Which as sons of God (mankind, men and woman) have not received the new bodies all will receive it a his chaste virgin bride.

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,


2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Chaste virgin, called the brethren (mankind) not married, a widow, either gender

Its another reason in the new born again family of God we are to call each other brothers, sisters and mothers . Never Holy Father. . one is our unseen Father God.

Mark 3:34-35 King James Version And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

The bride of Christ is the church previously named her Israel as in all Israel is not born again Israel , she was renamed by the father in Acts, a more befitting name to represent all the nations of the world "Christian" a demonym. . a word that identifies people by location.

Like Corinthian or Galatians named after its founders.

Christian a word with no other meaning added meaning ; "residents of the city of Christ prepared as his bride named after her husband Christ".

Galatians 26-29 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

In another way I think a person could say its the kind of religion God puts his seal of approval on . Motherly love aiding those who once had no heavenly Father as widows, unmarried, before they heard the gospel of their salvation .The chaste virgin bride, the church

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it; that He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, that He might present it to Himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: for we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
Ephesians 5:21-33

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as His mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save His people from their sins.

Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: and knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Matthew 1:18-25


For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Corinthians 11:2-3


Bless you ....><>

 

[Samson2020]

Psalms 22:27 "All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee."

Isaiah 29:24 "They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine."

Luke 3:5-6 "Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
and all flesh shall see the salvation of God."

John 12:47 "If any man hear my words and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."

2 Co 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

Rev 5:13 "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory,
and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and to the Lamb for ever and ever."

John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming to him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world."

1Tim 2:6 "Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

Phl 3:21 "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself."

Psalms 1:6 "For the LORD knows the WAY of the righteous, but the WAY of the ungodly shall perish."

Mic 7:19 " He will turn again, He will have compassion on us; He will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea."

John 3:35 "For the Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand."

John 6:39 "And this is the Father's will which hath sent Me, that of all that He hath give Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."
John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him that sent Me, that every one that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: And I will raise Him up at the last day.

Luke 3:6 "All flesh shall see the salvation of God."

Phl 2:9-11 "Wherefore God hath also highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow, of things in heaven,
and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father.

1 Tim 2:6 "Who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

 

[PloughBoy]

Psalms 22:27 "All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee."

Isaiah 29:24 "They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine."

Luke 3:5-6 "Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
and all flesh shall see the salvation of God."

John 12:47 "If any man hear my words and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."

2 Co 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

Rev 5:13 "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory,
and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and to the Lamb for ever and ever."

John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming to him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world."

1Tim 2:6 "Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

Phl 3:21 "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself."

Psalms 1:6 "For the LORD knows the WAY of the righteous, but the WAY of the ungodly shall perish."

Mic 7:19 " He will turn again, He will have compassion on us; He will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea."

John 3:35 "For the Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand."

John 6:39 "And this is the Father's will which hath sent Me, that of all that He hath give Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."
John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him that sent Me, that every one that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: And I will raise Him up at the last day.

Luke 3:6 "All flesh shall see the salvation of God."

Phl 2:9-11 "Wherefore God hath also highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow, of things in heaven,
and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father.

1 Tim 2:6 "Who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

And Jesus can never lie, and The "WORD of GOD" is never in error or "isolated" of its self, and is always, in orderly form.

Matthew 7:13
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."
NASB 1977 (Matthew 7) Jesus said:
“For the gate is small, and "The Way" is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it.

And Once He has shut the Door;
(Luke 13)ERV
"And he went on his way through cities and villages, teaching, and journeying on unto Jerusalem. And one said unto him, Lord are they few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in by the narrow door: for Many, I say unto you, shall seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ..When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, open to us; and he shall answer and say to you, I know you not whence ye are; then shall ye begin to say, We did eat and drink in thy presence, and thou didst teach in our streets; 27and he shall say, I tell you, I know not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be the weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and yourselves cast forth without."


PS..... "Your Quote"
(John 12:47)
"If any man hear my words and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

"BUT"
The WORD of GOD does not speak in verse #, for verses # are Not "GOD" inspired!,,, Paragraphs are. Grammar 101, never just take a sentence out of a "paragraph" and determine its meaning in total "Isolation" of the context in which it is written.

Now The sentence, in which you place in total "Isolation" to form an intended "Eisegesis" and on purpose to deviate the intended meaning of the words coming out of the mouth of "JESUS CHRIST" to favor your own "bias' is frightening.

The Paragraph says: (John 17)BSB
"As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. ..There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word i have spoken Will Judge him on the last day. ..I have not spoken on My own, but the Father who sent Me has commanded Me what to say and how to say it.…"

Now, did you do that on purpose? If so, then what? It was taken out of a paragraph, that is clearly mark, by paragraphical signals.

If you did not know this. What say about all of the other sentences and paragraphs of The Biblical Text? Let alone a form of "Biblical Hermeneutics". For our GOD is A GOD of Order.


American Standard Version
"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."....................."Error begets Error" " Deception begets Deception" "What so ever a man sows the same shall he reap"

[If a person "plants unrepentant in the things he or she allows, will also reap a life of unrepentant in the things he or she allows]
(Galatians 6)ASV
"But let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth unto his own flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth unto the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap eternal life. And let us not be weary in well-doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. So then, as we have opportunity, let us work that which is good toward all men, and especially toward them that are of the household of the faith."

[How are we Good to All men and women?>>>>>>We Tell them "THE TRUTH" and not lies! not "Partial truths" "THE TRUTH"

New Life in Christ Let us, Read all the complete letter, written unto the believers in the city of "Ephesus".

"and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. ..Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one another. ..“Be angry, yet do not sin.” Do not let the sun set upon your anger,"

When we remind others we remind ourselves for we are one body in Christ.…one Lord, one faith, one Baptism. and we are "Few" in numbers a "REMNANT" according to Grace. Each man is not our brother, each man is not our neighbor. per se The Word of GOD.

 

[Samson2020]

Interesting that out of 16 quotes you could only find fault with one?

 

[PloughBoy]

Interesting that out of 16 quotes you could only find fault with one?

"A little leaven leavens the whole lump" why go on. that is why the quote is there.

 

[Samson2020]

"As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. ..There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word i have spoken Will Judge him on the last day. ..I have not spoken on My own, but the Father who sent Me has commanded Me what to say and how to say it.…"

Tell me, what does the judge have to say in light of "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself , not imputing their trespasses unto them."?
Romans 5:20 NIV "The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase, but where sin increased grace increased all the more,"
Romans 5:21 NLT " So just as sin ruled over all people and brought them to death, now Gods wonderful grace rules instead giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through
Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it(faith) is the gift of God: 9-Not of works lest any man should boast."
2 Thess 3:2 ..........for not all men have faith."

1 Co 12:3 "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost."
Phl 2:11 ..........and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father."

 

[PloughBoy]

Tell me, what does the judge have to say in light of "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself , not imputing their trespasses unto them."?
Romans 5:20 NIV "The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase, but where sin increased grace increased all the more,"
Romans 5:21 NLT " So just as sin ruled over all people and brought them to death, now Gods wonderful grace rules instead giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through
Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it(faith) is the gift of God: 9-Not of works lest any man should boast."
2 Thess 3:2 ..........for not all men have faith."

1 Co 12:3 "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost."
Phl 2:11 ..........and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father."

you question is"
"Tell me, what does the judge have to say in light of "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself , not imputing their trespasses unto them."?

The Father and the Son
"For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes. ...Furthermore, the Father judges no one, but has assigned all judgment to the Son, ...so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."

John 5:27
And He has given Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.

John 9:39
Then Jesus declared, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind may see and those who see may become blind."

Acts 10:42
And He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that He is the One appointed by God to judge the living and the dead.

Acts 17:31
For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising Him

[And these things have been declared throughout "The WORD of GOD". from "Genesis to The Unveiling of JESUS CHRIST"]
"Who been made known to some and not many," Let this TRUTH be known. "The Manifestation of The Sons of GOD" is also unveiled in Him.

For the SON also will carry out "The WRATH of GOD"! and pour it out upon all Creation! For This Too, is The Will of "The ALMIGHTY GOD" and will come to pass. Whether we believe it or not. For He sits on The Right HAND of The FATHER, Now.

PS. I am 'finite' creature with a finite mind, For "GOD" is "Incomprehensible" and "finite" cannot comprehend the "Infinite". How could I, a mere mortal understand what a "GOD" is? He is not a "creature" and how can I understand "The Triune GOD" The relationship between The Father with HIS SON. My mind cannot conceive such thoughts. {Honestly i don't even understand "Salvation" and the ingredients to employ it to pass, that was predetermine before the foundation of the worlds} Let alone how GOD the Father and The SON who have always been, For as reconciling the world to himself. Now that english word "reconciling" is a interesting word When relating to The Deity and that, in which to come. I am not denying the word, but the etymology.

Bottom line. Many are going to Hell and damnation and "FEW" will be saved from that doom. "Salvation" to some and not all. And all of the FEW" will be saved!

For there is nothing to debate concerning this matter. Salvation to some and Eternal damnation to many. I am shaking already.

 

[Garee]

PS..... "Your Quote"
(John 12:47)
"If any man hear my words and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

"BUT"
The WORD of GOD does not speak in verse #, for verses # are Not "GOD" inspired!,,, Paragraphs are. Grammar 101, never just take a sentence out of a "paragraph" and determine its meaning in total "Isolation" of the context in which it is written.

Now The sentence, in which you place in total "Isolation" to form an intended "Eisegesis" and on purpose to deviate the intended meaning of the words coming out of the mouth of "JESUS CHRIST" to favor your own "bias' is frightening.

The Paragraph says: (John 17)BSB
"As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. ..There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word i have spoken Will Judge him on the last day. ..I have not spoken on My own, but the Father who sent Me has commanded Me what to say and how to say it.…"

Relax no need to shake. "

The paragraph would seem to be saying. If anyone hears the incorruptible words the father freely given to his prophet and chief apostle Jesus who came to do the good will of the father. . the will with power, power to rebuke lying spirits or called demons .

Jesus had no power of his own to cast out demons . Jesus was Lord according to the unseen power or glory of the father that worked in him .

One judge as the spirit of judgement .

Its not the will of the prophet or apostle that judges but the Holy Spirit that works in them to both will and empower them to do the good pleasure .Some murmur like Jonah who knew God would forgive Jonah's enemy (Ninevites) and would rather die unlike our example the Son of man, Jesus. He did it with delight .