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harry potter and the order of the phoenix

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Yes so i heard ,i think the reason is as so many children are hooked to Harry Potter the schools belive it will encourage them to read and become interested in books.

I was wondering how would one object when you are so out numbered?
 
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I heard that the person who wrote that"Harry Potter" the BOOK is a atheist person who really wrote it? I don't remember but I thought that what I heard:embarasse
 
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I havent heard the auther being athiest nor have i heard schools making it reading material. I'm pretty sure that would be a bad thing for some parents. Plus from about book 4 on they get really big. Even though I like HP I wouldn't want it to be reading material.
 
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I just saw the new movie last night. It was great, the best one yet that they have made. I know, that schools are starting to bann the Harry Potter books, which I feel is a bit sad. To ban a book in school is fine, but to get into trouble if your bring your own copy of the book is wrong
 
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well for one you will have to ask, will they really be hooked on books or on witchcraft and wizardy....???

I am a fan but i believed im old enough to know that its all fiction and stuff, it just really entertains me... but for kids it could be a way of life... they might try to live it, like most of teenagers does, and i think thats dangerous... that is how some cults started. :(
 
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Protect the lives entrusted to you

Harry Potter as i have heard is now to be used as reading material in schools ,How would one react to this situation, when 95% of the parents agree it is a good idea.

Keep in mind while reading my reply that I am someone who thinks there is no particular harm in the Harry Potter books. They are secular fiction. They need to be treated as secular fiction -- meaning that any religious instruction regarding their material needs to come from you, because it didn't come from the author.

But if I did think the books should not be read...what would the opinions of 95% of the other parents matter to me?

When Moses was in communion with the Lord on Mt. Sinai, about 95% of the people waiting down below decided it was a good idea to dispense waiting for him to return so they fashioned a golden calf-god and a new "religion." Did the vastness of their numbers make them correct?

As much as I respect the democratic idea of majority rule, my household is not a democracy, nor do I rear my children according to the consensus of the community or the State.

If I believed my child should not be exposed to the books, I would go to the school and have alternate arrangements made.

I'm the parent.

It's that simple.
 
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I heard that the person who wrote that"Harry Potter" the BOOK is a atheist person who really wrote it? I don't remember but I thought that what I heard:embarasse


I read somewhere (I believe it was Plugged In Online) that she claimed to be Christian, but that was after the initial uproar from the Christian community regarding her books.
 
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The Author Of Harry Potter Is Now A Millionaire Since His Books Sells Around The World. She Was An Ordinary English Woman And Rise Up To A Popular Writer. Published In The Magazine .. And In The Reader's Digest Too. How Come Did She Got Her Imagination Of The Story. What I Heard In The Yahoo Internet. At Present She Has Written A New Book About Detective Untitled Yet.

What About The Authors Of The Christian Writers. Anybody Christian Authors Who Are Millionaire? I Haven't Heard It.
Christian Authors Sells Books Which Are Helpful To Our Life Relationship In Christ And To The Lost Sinners. So, The Truth Is Found In The Bible An Answer To Our Life.
 
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CONTINUED FROM MY REPLY..

FOR INSTANCE., IF YOU ARE A WRITER & A CHRISTIAN .ITS NOT SUPPOSE TO WRITE THIS STORY LIKE HARRY POTTER. what chrisity said that somewhere told that the author of harry potter claimed to be a chistian?????:shock:
 
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The Author Of Harry Potter Is Now A Millionaire Since His Books Sells Around The World. She Was An Ordinary English Woman And Rise Up To A Popular Writer. Published In The Magazine .. And In The Reader's Digest Too. How Come Did She Got Her Imagination Of The Story. What I Heard In The Yahoo Internet. At Present She Has Written A New Book About Detective Untitled Yet.

What About The Authors Of The Christian Writers. Anybody Christian Authors Who Are Millionaire? I Haven't Heard It.
Christian Authors Sells Books Which Are Helpful To Our Life Relationship In Christ And To The Lost Sinners. So, The Truth Is Found In The Bible An Answer To Our Life.

Isn't Tim LaHaye a millionaire? He wrote Left Behind (along with a co-writer. His name slips my mind) and everyone loved it. And it seems logical to assume that over the span of his 15 volume series that he got more than a million dollars.
 
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CONTINUED FROM MY REPLY..

FOR INSTANCE., IF YOU ARE A WRITER & A CHRISTIAN .ITS NOT SUPPOSE TO WRITE THIS STORY LIKE HARRY POTTER. what chrisity said that somewhere told that the author of harry potter claimed to be a chistian?????:shock:


Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying whether she's Christian or
not, since I can't know her heart. I went looking to find where I
read it. I never found it (due to poor memory and time, I just don't
remember), but I did find an article by Dave Kopel on National
Review Online from June 9, 2003, which says that she claims to
be Presbyterian.
 
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i don't see any problem with the Harry Potter films or books. i find them highly entertaining in fact. i'm a huge fan myself...:)
 
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I would like to ask this question again to all those who are "entertained" by this movie which glorifies sorcery in fictional plot (yet keep in mind sorcery/witchcraft itself is not fictional at all, so no excuses for fiction movies).

Is it ok to be entertained by violent movies as well where blood is shed through murder for the sake of entertaining people with "heroes" like Blade, 300, Trainspotting, etc? The Scripture opposes this as much as it opposes sorcery.

So do you follow Jesus completely or do you sway around for your entertainment's sake? How many times do we have to repeat Scripture before it cuts to your heart (and mind) like the double edged Sword that it is?

Since when does it matter how old and wise you are to know between right and wrong that it becomes ok to still watch evil filled movies? Does it make any logical sense to you? So you won't let your children watch it yet its ok for you to watch this? I call that hypocrisy. Try to find Scripture that says its ok for you to soak in 'fiction' or non-fiction movies that glorify evil just because your old enough and not a child anymore.

If it is not good, it is not from GOD period.

Galatians 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Matthew 6:21-23

The Lamp of the Body

22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!


I posted this in earlier post on page 2 as well...


2 Kings 17:16-18

16 So they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, made for themselves a molded image and two calves, made a wooden image and worshiped all the host of heaven, and served Baal. 17 And they caused their sons and daughters to pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and soothsaying, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke Him to anger. 18 Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them from His sight; there was none left but the tribe of Judah alone.

Exodus 9:10-12

10 Then they took ashes from the furnace and stood before Pharaoh, and Moses scattered them toward heaven. And they caused boils that break out in sores on man and beast. 11 And the magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils, for the boils were on the magicians and on all the Egyptians. 12 But the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh; and he did not heed them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

Galatians 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Definitions

Magic


The Jews seem early to have consulted the teraphim (q.v.) for oracular answers (Judg. 18:5, 6; Zech. 10:2). There is a remarkable illustration of this divining by teraphim in Ezek. 21:19-22. We read also of the divining cup of Joseph (Gen. 44:5). The magicians of Egypt are frequently referred to in the history of the Exodus. Magic was an inherent part of the ancient Egyptian religion, and entered largely into their daily life.

All magical arts were distinctly prohibited under penalty of death in the Mosaic law. The Jews were commanded not to learn the "abomination" of the people of the Promised Land (Lev. 19:31; Deut. 18:9-14). The history of Saul's consulting the witch of Endor (1 Sam. 28:3-20) gives no warrant for attributing supernatural power to magicians. From the first the witch is here only a bystander. The practice of magic lingered among the people till after the Captivity, when they gradually abandoned it.

It is not much referred to in the New Testament. The Magi mentioned in Matt. 2:1-12 were not magicians in the ordinary sense of the word. They belonged to a religious caste, the followers of Zoroaster, the astrologers of the East. Simon, a magician, was found by Philip at Samaria (Acts 8:9-24); and Paul and Barnabas encountered Elymas, a Jewish sorcerer, at Paphos (13:6-12). At Ephesus there was a great destruction of magical books (Acts 19:18, 19).

Witch

Occurs only in Ex. 22:18, as the rendering of _mekhashshepheh_, the feminine form of the word, meaning "enchantress" (R.V., "sorceress"), and in Deut. 18:10, as the rendering of _mekhashshepheth_, the masculine form of the word, meaning "enchanter."

Witchcraft

(1 Sam. 15:23; 2 Kings 9:22; 2 Chr. 33:6; Micah 5:12; Nahum 3:4; Gal. 5:20). In the popular sense of the word no mention is made either of witches or of witchcraft in Scripture.

The "witch of En-dor" (1 Sam. 28) was a necromancer, i.e., one who feigned to hold converse with the dead. The damsel with "a spirit of divination" (Acts 16:16) was possessed by an evil spirit, or, as the words are literally rendered, "having a spirit, a pithon." The reference is to the heathen god Apollo, who was regarded as the god of prophecy.

Sorcerer from the Latin sortiarius, one who casts lots, or one who tells the lot of others. In Dan. 2:2 it is the rendering of the Hebrew mekhashphim, i.e., mutterers, men who professed to have power with evil spirits. The practice of sorcery exposed to severest punishment (Mal. 3:5; Rev. 21:8; 22:15).


WWJD?
(What Would Jesus Do)?

Here we go...

Would you imagine Jesus Christ going to the movies to watch Harry Potter?

Would you imagine Jesus Christ giving this movie a good rating/review?

Now, remind yourself that we are to walk in Spirit and imitate Christ in all things we do, and glorify GOD.

Now we're here for simple discussion about this movie. We're not here to judge nor condemn others. We're here with food for thought, using Scripture alone and hopefully no one will use opinions instead.

1 Corinthians 11:1
Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

Galatians 5:16-17
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.


I've already noticed some members who posted in this thread already led astray by this "entertaining" book called Harry Potter that they defend it strongly, even when Scripture provided in response is quoted to them - they ignore. What does this tell you?

Is it ok to watch pornorgraphy for entertainment purposes also, just because we're old enough and not doing what the actors are doing? No way.
 
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ahhhh!!!

Ah, ouch Chad!!!!!!!!

Seriously, can anyone argue with that?

Chad is very right. I even see Chad's sincerity.

Sigh, what an issue! But really, hard for us as this is, what Chad stated is true. I know the Bible says it.

Anyway, TLR1 I think the subtle hints Chad implyed was meaning---gently now---that if "we" all spend a lot less time watching sinful images....we would sure be sinning less. That doesn't mean we won't sin at all. But in the case of sorcery or porn we need to "shun" these things. The images on tv influence us a great deal...as well as what we read. I know when I turn on the TV...I seriously regret it. And when I read or look at something dirty I feel awful. Not saying TLR1 that you don't feel bad. In fact, didn't you say you hated falling into sin? I know, TLR1 that you want to follow God. So let us be true all together and not be hypocrites. Although, foolish as I am, I can be a hypocrite as well. I have spent my valuable time also watching stupid movies.....and I wonder why. I am such an idiot.


guppy
 
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ok i see where your coming from Chad and i really don't know what to say for myself. I just really enjoy fantasy movies, books, and games. I feel kind of patetic now because i don't want to displease God but i'm kind of reluctant to let fantasy go. Fantasy lets my imagination run wild (not in a bad way). *sighs* I'll figure something out sooner or later.
 
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I have been paying a little bit of attention to this thread. I'm pretty new here and I just shook the dust from another forum. When this topic was discussed, not one person stood in agreement with me, and I was classified as being on the "lunatic fringe." Nevertheless, I stood strong and did not compromise. The following is from another website.

What are kids saying about Harry Potter? Here are some samples:

“I want to go to wizard school and learn magic. I’d like to learn to use a wand to cast spells.” Dylan, age 10.

“If I could go to wizard school, I might be able to do spells and potions and fly a broomstick.” Mara, age 12.

“It would be great to be a wizard because you could control situations and things like teachers.” Jeffrey, age 11.

“I’d like to go to wizard school and learn magic and put spells on people. I’d make up an ugly spell and then it’s pay-back time.” Catherine, age 9.

“I feel like I’m inside Harry’s world. If I went to wizard school I’d study everything: spells, counterspells, and defense against the dark arts.” Carolyn, age 10.

“I liked it when the bad guys killed the unicorn and Voldemort drank its blood.” Julie, age 13.

“The books are very clever. I couldn’t put them down. When I was scared I made myself believe that it was supposed to be funny so I wasn’t so scared.” Nuray age 11.

These are the comments of young readers of the Harry Potter wizard books quoted on a new video by Jeremiah Films. On the video, called Harry Potter: Witchcraft Repackaged, Making Evil Look Innocent, author Robert S. McGee explains: “Children as young as kindergarten are being introduced to human sacrifice, the sucking of blood from dead animals, and possession by spirit beings.”

I have a close brother in Christ who was involved in a form of witchcraft. the Lord delivered him out of that, and he has become a vessel of the Lord's will since then. He has ministered to many who have been involved in such things as someone who knows what it is all about, having once been in bondage himself.

How does that tie into this subject? He has personally read the first book in the Harry Potter series. I have not read any of them, so I am simply presenting what I know from him. He claims that there are actual words of actual spells presented in the book that he is familiar with, because he has heard and/or performed them himself. I conclude that this would be true throughout the series, but I cannot state that conclusion as fact. I will stress in my house, that all doors to these kinds of arts will remain closed, whether you believe they are doors or not.

I know JK Rowling is supposedly Christian, but Jesus warned that we will know them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:15-23) Remember how the children quoted above have been completely lead astray. Would anyone consider this good fruit?

I will leave you with a few Scriptures that come to mind, and please consider them.





Deu 6:5-7
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.


Deu 18:10-13
There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.


2Ki 21:6And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke [him] to anger.

Pro 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.



Phl 4:6-6Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.


Take it or leave it but the Word of God says to have no part in this stuff. Obedience is greater than sacrifice, and I will not make my children to pass through the fire. My view of presenting witchcraft as a means of good over evil glorifies such practices, much like pornography glorifies fornication/sexual immorality. As far as my house is concerned, I will keep it holy and seperate from this filth. Just my conviction.

2Cr 6:14-18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Amen!

Peace be with you all.

Hisalone
 
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I have not watched nor allowed my children too.We have never read the books either.Don't plan on it I have a problem with the magic and dark arts being performed in the text.
 
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Harry Potter is wrong. If you did'nt know what the Bible say about witchcraft read Detronomuim 18 chapter 10. Witchcraft is wrong in God's eyes. I have read one of Steve Wolberg's books Hour of the WITCH. It is about the evil of Harry Potter and about the facts why Harry Potter is wrong. As a Christian I am against Harry Potter and all tipe of witchcraft. The Bible clearly tells us to have nothing to do with witchcraft.
 
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I have praying many times for the salvation of JK Rowling and all the actors in the Harry Potter movies. Harry is evil and parents must never allow children to read Harry Potter because the Bible clearly tells us to have nothing to do with witchcraft.
 
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I looooove Harry Potter! The books moreso than the movies, but the movies are good too.

I think Harry is just an amazing protagonist. He has such a big heart.
 
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