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[God's Truth]

Actually, they could not have believed as they were only doing his water baptism

John says who warned you of the coming wrath.

That means they knew there was a wrath coming and they BELIEVED it.

 

[God's Truth]

Actually, they could not have believed as they were only doing his water baptism as an outward appearance of doing good without repenting which is what his water baptism was called.

John says who warned you of the coming wrath.

That means they knew there was a wrath coming and they BELIEVED it.

Did the wrath come yet, GodB4Us?

You know it hasn't come yet.

You still want to preach we don't have to repent of our sins to get saved?

 

[God's Truth]

How is that not of the will of man but born of God when the sinner is able to repent from all sins before he got saved?

You have to believe what Jesus says and do what he says.

When we acknowledge how our believing in Him is a work of the Father, where can man boast of his will power & his own work in repenting from all sins before being saved by Jesus Christ?

God doesn't work in unbelieving unrepentant sinners.
Nowhere anywhere do the scriptures say God saves unbelievers.

 

[God's Truth]

The crucifying of oneself is a daily walk with the Lord as His disciple and to be able to do that, you need to be born again of the spirit by believing in Jesus Christ to have eternal life.

Again, you have to die before you get that new life.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

If man can justify himself by repenting from all sins before being saved, .......................

If a person doesn't, then they will perish.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Are you done running that race before you got saved or what?

You get in the race once you qualify for the race.

 

[God's Truth]

None of those verses cites God chooses those who "choose" to obey.

You go against obeying God to get saved and have understanding, so of course you can't see it:

Why did you skip the post that explains that to you?

Here it is again:

Jesus saves those he accepts, see Acts 15:8.

Jesus accepts those who fear God and do what is right, see Acts 10:35.

Those who get his teachings and obeys them, see John 14:23.

Jesus saves those who are on the side of truth see John 18:37.

Jesus saves those who do right and come to the light, see John 3:21.

Jesus saves those who obey, see Acts 5:32.

Jesus saves those who do what he says to do, see Luke 8:21.

Jesus saves those who love him, and those who love him are those who obey, see John 14:21.

Jesus saves those who seek him with all their heart and soul, Jeremiah 29:13, and Matthew 7:7; who love Him with all their heart and soul and mind, Matthew 22:37.

Those people who obey God are those who seek Him with their all their heart and soul. See Deuteronomy 6:5, 10:12, 11:13,26:16, 30:2, 30:10; Joshua 22:5; 1 Kings 8:48; NASB Psalm 119:2; Psalm 34:4.

Those who change and become like little children, see Matthew 18:3.




God chooses those who chose to obey, those who submit themselves to Him, those who submit to obeying everything that comes out of His mouth.


2 Thessalonians 2:13 [ Stand Firm ] But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.

Revelation 17:14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

1 Thessalonians 1:4 For we know, brothers and sisters loved by God, that he has chosen you,

James 2:5 Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?

Matthew 22:14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”

2 John 1:13 The children of your sister, who is chosen by God, send their greetings.

Colossians 3:12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

John 7:17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus is not cruel when the hope of being delivered from their sins is on Jesus rather than on themselves.

Sin addicts have tried to quit on their own and they know they are unable to. When Christians testify of their hope in Christ to deliver them from their sins and keep them from their sins daily, then sinners will hope & believe in Him too.

Haven't you heard? Faith alone is dead and can't save anyone.

 

[GodB4Us]

John says who warned you of the coming wrath.

That means they knew there was a wrath coming and they BELIEVED it.

Not enough to take what his water baptism was for. So just for outward appearance. They obviously heard about John the Baptist and his preaching and no doubt their disciples of the Pharisees or their company of followers were talking about him, & his warnings that they felt compelled to tell those Pharisees for why they had come, but John knew they were only coming for appearance sake as he did rebuke them for it

 

[GodB4Us]

John says who warned you of the coming wrath.

That means they knew there was a wrath coming and they BELIEVED it.

Did the wrath come yet, GodB4Us?

You know it hasn't come yet.

You still want to preach we don't have to repent of our sins to get saved?

I believe a sinner needs to repent of unbelief by believing in Him to be saved and they need to go on to perfection by being His disciples living a life of repentance by His grace & by His help to bear fruit into repentance as by His workmanship.

 

[GodB4Us]

You have to believe what Jesus says and do what he says.

You have to believe what Jesus says in how you are saved by believing in Him and for following Him, you have to believe what Jesus says in believing Him to be your Good shepherd to help you to follow Him. Do you believe Him or not?

God doesn't work in unbelieving unrepentant sinners.
Nowhere anywhere do the scriptures say God saves unbelievers.

Romas 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

I know.. you keep seeing the law as referring to purification works every time I show you these verses but you ignore how that justification comes which is by believing in Him. Why aren't you pricked by Him yet?

 

[GodB4Us]

Again, you have to die before you get that new life.

If a person doesn't, then they will perish.

You get in the race once you qualify for the race.

Funny how running that race still involves laying aside every weight & sin daily by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us to do this.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[GodB4Us]

You go against obeying God to get saved and have understanding, so of course you can't see it:

Why did you skip the post that explains that to you?

John 7:17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

Because your premise is wrong as you skipped over this will of God as stated here.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[GodB4Us]

Haven't you heard? Faith alone is dead and can't save anyone.

I have heard the Good News to man that Jesus Christ is able to save sinners that believe in Him.

 

[God's Truth]

Not enough to take what his water baptism was for.

You don't even make sense.

Who does that?
Who tries so hard to go against the scriptures?

So just for outward appearance.

Repenting of sins isn't just for an outward appearance.
Jesus says repent of your sins for the kingdom is near and WILL BE IN YOU.

They obviously heard about John the Baptist and his preaching and no doubt their disciples of the Pharisees or their company of followers were talking about him, & his warnings that they felt compelled to tell those Pharisees for why they had come, but John knew they were only coming for appearance sake as he did rebuke them for it

They believed about the coming wrath, and JOHN KNEW they weren't going to REPENT OF THEIR SINS.

You preach that.

You preach just believe and that we are not to repent of our sins.

 

[God's Truth]

I believe a sinner needs to repent of unbelief by believing in Him to be saved and they need to go on to perfection by being His disciples living a life of repentance by His grace & by His help to bear fruit into repentance as by His workmanship.

Believe and do what God says. Not what you think He says.

 

[God's Truth]

@GodB4Us

You think Paul was saved on the road to Damascus when he believed?

 

[Rhema]

Jesus is not cruel when the hope of being delivered from their sins is on Jesus rather than on themselves.

Sin addicts have tried to quit on their own and they know they are unable to. When Christians testify of their hope in Christ to deliver them from their sins and keep them from their sins daily, then sinners will hope & believe in Him too.

So you truly are unable to quote a scripture verse where Jesus said people are unable to actually repent.

Again calling Jesus a liar.

How absurd.

Please, post a scripture verse where Jesus ever said that He "believed sinners are incapable to repent."

Otherwise you're just lying about Jesus.

Rhema

At this point it's becoming obvious that you don't know what the word Repent means. You think it means "Save yourself." It does not.

 

[Rhema]

You don't even make sense.

I have noticed that happens quite often.

(But what is one to do?)

Rhema

 

[God's Truth]

I have noticed that happens quite often.

(But what is one to do?)

Rhema

It is a powerful hold on him. Maybe he will do what Jesus says and humble himself and repent.

 

[Rhema]

It is a powerful hold on him. Maybe he will do what Jesus says and humble himself and repent.

But I'm very sure from his perspective that he believes to have done so.

(But what is one to do?)

Pray.
Be kind.
Love your enemies.

Obey the commands of Jesus to do so.

Rhema

(It is interesting to note that most of his scripture references are from Paul, whereas yours are from Jesus. Protestants tend to automatically quote Paul and ignore Jesus without realizing it.)

 

[God's Truth]

(It is interesting to note that most of his scripture references are from Paul, whereas yours are from Jesus. Protestants tend to automatically quote Paul and ignore Jesus without realizing it.)

There are some Protestants that I can only debate them on the gospel by only what Paul says, because they think he preached a different gospel.

People misunderstand Paul they think when he says 'not of works' that he is saying we don't have to do anything but believe.
Paul was a Pharisee and enforced the old law which was based on the works of the law to where a person had to be clean to enter the temple to be near God's Spirit. Paul explains a lot about how it is not of those works anymore and how Jesus cleans us by our having faith that his blood does.
I have debated many who say flat out that we are not to go by what Jesus says but only Paul.