Wow! That is an amazing thread - and the answer to my question. Thank you LLJ for telling me about it.
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Wow! That is an amazing thread - and the answer to my question. Thank you LLJ for telling me about it.
I'm confused.
God's presence is still with me and it hasn't left since the day it came. As I have said before, I don't feel it all the time, but everyday I feel it on and off.
What I don't understand is how can I have God's presence on me and still have such awful thougts eg suicide?
Even with my limited knowledge of all of this, it seems illogical and inappropirate for this to happen.
God's presence is still with me and it hasn't left since the day it came. As I have said before, I don't feel it all the time, but everyday I feel it on and off.
What I don't understand is how can I have God's presence on me and still have such awful thougts eg suicide?
Even with my limited knowledge of all of this, it seems illogical and inappropirate for this to happen.
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As a new believer I think God is showing you how much He really loves you. It is an awesome thing to have been given what He has given you.
We have to learn to walk in the spirit and not in our flesh. The flesh is our old nature and is a constant battle for us. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.
The Word tells us to take every thought captive so it does not develop.
2 Corinthians 10.
3For though we walk (live) in the flesh, we are not carrying on our warfare according to the flesh and using mere human weapons. 4For the weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood], but they are mighty before God for the overthrow and destruction of strongholds,
5[Inasmuch as we] refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One),
Replace the bad thoughts with good ones from the Bible.
Jesus came to give apple life and life abundantly.
God bless you
Love in Christ
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We have to learn to walk in the spirit and not in our flesh. The flesh is our old nature and is a constant battle for us. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.
The Word tells us to take every thought captive so it does not develop.
2 Corinthians 10.
3For though we walk (live) in the flesh, we are not carrying on our warfare according to the flesh and using mere human weapons. 4For the weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood], but they are mighty before God for the overthrow and destruction of strongholds,
5[Inasmuch as we] refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One),
Replace the bad thoughts with good ones from the Bible.
Jesus came to give apple life and life abundantly.
God bless you
Love in Christ
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Yes, I understand that and I have been trying to do that. What I meant in my post is that surely I shouldn't be having these bad thoughts, especially with God's presence on me, in the first place.
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Jesus knows your heart. You understand that these thoughts are wrong and none of us are perfect. I think He is blessing you as you are seeking more of Him. So do not worry about them just do not let them get the upper hand.
Bad thoughts will come to all of us. We are to be transformed by renewing our minds. God lives within all of us by His Holy Spirit and we are in a spiritual battle.
Just keep doing what you are with God and your wanting to please Him as that is part of the new nature within you.
God bless
Love in Christ :rainbow: :rose:
Bad thoughts will come to all of us. We are to be transformed by renewing our minds. God lives within all of us by His Holy Spirit and we are in a spiritual battle.
Just keep doing what you are with God and your wanting to please Him as that is part of the new nature within you.
God bless
Love in Christ
:rainbow: :rose:Hello Apple,
I can understand how strange it must seem having God's presence with you and at the same time having negative thoughts and emotions. But it is not really that unusual. Christians sometimes suffer terrible things and God is there all the time, although they are not often aware of Him.
I don't fully understand what is happening to you. So all I can offer is some suggestions as to what might be happening. It's up to to judge whether what I'm saying fits your circumstances or not.
Firstly the Spirit of God does nothing without the word of God. We find this spiritual principle in Genesis 1:2-3 The earth was without form and void and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, “ Let there be light.” and there was light.
Do those scriptures suggest that you might be in a similar situation. The Spirit of God is hovering over you, Apple? If you believe this is what is happening with you. Then you need the word of God to be spoken over you, so the Spirit of God can stop hovering and move upon that word creating His light in your life and scattering all the negative emotions.
If all this makes sense to you let me know.
Can you new computer down load mp3 files pod casts etc?
Blessings,
Tony
I can understand how strange it must seem having God's presence with you and at the same time having negative thoughts and emotions.
- yes, it is very strange! :shock:
Firstly the Spirit of God does nothing without the word of God. We find this spiritual principle in Genesis 1:2-3 The earth was without form and void and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, “ Let there be light.” and there was light.
Do those scriptures suggest that you might be in a similar situation. The Spirit of God is hovering over you, Apple? If you believe this is what is happening with you. Then you need the word of God to be spoken over you, so the Spirit of God can stop hovering and move upon that word creating His light in your life and scattering all the negative emotions.
If all this makes sense to you let me know.
- I believe that this is a spiritual experience and that it is good. I believe too that it is the Holy Spirit, because nobody has suggested it being anything other than the Holy Spirit. However, if you mean hovering in a literal way, then no, it is not hovering, it is definitely on me. I can feel it as I type. It is as if there is a band around my forehead. I can feel the pressure on my forehead. Another way to describe it would be to say that it feels as if I am wearing a crash helmet. It is definitely on me, not hovering.
I like the idea of the word of God creating his light in my life and scattering all of the negative emotions. That is what I meant when I wrote the post this morning. I couldn't see how I could have God's presence on me and the negative thoughts at the same time - quite simply, light and dark don't belong together.
Can you new computer down load mp3 files pod casts etc?
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I laughed when I read this - lol
I'm sure that it can if I knew how to do it, but I HAVE NO IDEA!!!!!!!!
I have many skills, but they are not in Information Technology!!!!!! - lol
- yes, it is very strange! :shock:
Firstly the Spirit of God does nothing without the word of God. We find this spiritual principle in Genesis 1:2-3 The earth was without form and void and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, “ Let there be light.” and there was light.
Do those scriptures suggest that you might be in a similar situation. The Spirit of God is hovering over you, Apple? If you believe this is what is happening with you. Then you need the word of God to be spoken over you, so the Spirit of God can stop hovering and move upon that word creating His light in your life and scattering all the negative emotions.
If all this makes sense to you let me know.
- I believe that this is a spiritual experience and that it is good. I believe too that it is the Holy Spirit, because nobody has suggested it being anything other than the Holy Spirit. However, if you mean hovering in a literal way, then no, it is not hovering, it is definitely on me. I can feel it as I type. It is as if there is a band around my forehead. I can feel the pressure on my forehead. Another way to describe it would be to say that it feels as if I am wearing a crash helmet. It is definitely on me, not hovering.
I like the idea of the word of God creating his light in my life and scattering all of the negative emotions. That is what I meant when I wrote the post this morning. I couldn't see how I could have God's presence on me and the negative thoughts at the same time - quite simply, light and dark don't belong together.
Can you new computer down load mp3 files pod casts etc?
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I laughed when I read this - lol
I'm sure that it can if I knew how to do it, but I HAVE NO IDEA!!!!!!!!
I have many skills, but they are not in Information Technology!!!!!! - lol
Hello Apple,
I've heard of people having similar experiences before, the pressure round the head etc. I'm not sure what is happening there. I'm going to have to check it out with someone who knows about these things, with your permission of course.
Talk Jesus is a great resource for Christians, but by and large it is not made up of full time ministers. What you could do with is specialist ministry like a pastor or someone like the people who minister from Ellel International.
You may derive a measure of blessing from the people on this website but eventually your going to need live, hands on help. Maybe you are going to have to work up to that, I don't know. But one thing I do know is the life God has for His people is one of abundance, it's a life of love and joy and peace... The Bible calls theses things spiritual fruit and they are in the Holy Spirit. In fact we might say these things are part of His identity, or how we know it is in fact the Holy Spirit.
Another test to see if something is of the Holy Spirit is to confess the Lordship of Jesus Christ. That is a personal confession, confessing Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour. It is a confession of complete dominion whereby you might say, I confess Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour meaning you are giving Him total dominion over your life.
The Holy Spirit won't object to this, He will rather rejoice in such a confession. A spirit that is not the Holy Spirit will not rejoice in such a confession, but will act in a negative manner.
Blessings,
Tony
I've heard of people having similar experiences before, the pressure round the head etc. I'm not sure what is happening there. I'm going to have to check it out with someone who knows about these things, with your permission of course.
Talk Jesus is a great resource for Christians, but by and large it is not made up of full time ministers. What you could do with is specialist ministry like a pastor or someone like the people who minister from Ellel International.
You may derive a measure of blessing from the people on this website but eventually your going to need live, hands on help. Maybe you are going to have to work up to that, I don't know. But one thing I do know is the life God has for His people is one of abundance, it's a life of love and joy and peace... The Bible calls theses things spiritual fruit and they are in the Holy Spirit. In fact we might say these things are part of His identity, or how we know it is in fact the Holy Spirit.
Another test to see if something is of the Holy Spirit is to confess the Lordship of Jesus Christ. That is a personal confession, confessing Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour. It is a confession of complete dominion whereby you might say, I confess Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour meaning you are giving Him total dominion over your life.
The Holy Spirit won't object to this, He will rather rejoice in such a confession. A spirit that is not the Holy Spirit will not rejoice in such a confession, but will act in a negative manner.
Blessings,
Tony
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I appreciate your honesty, but find it very depressing too.
I had no expectations when I came across this website (as I found it by accident), but it just seems an uphill slog in everything that I need to do. I am exhausted and now I read that I need 'specialist ministry'. Wow - That sounds drastic! Am I such a hopeless case?
As I wrote in my profile on the day that I registered, I am just trying to survive life. Nothing has changed in that fact. The only difference is that now I am trying to remember all the extra things that I need to do as well - which just makes the struggle harder.
On the contrary specialist ministries make life so much easier, and you are not a hopeless case by any means.
I've known of people who have suffered for years with things a good Holy Spirit filled Pastor and or a ministry team could have dealt in a matter of a few hours.
So often people suffer needlessly when they evade God remedy.
A good pastor would be considered a specialist, but nothing out of the ordinary. Every Church should have a good Pastor.
Try not to get depressed at the thought of seeking help. The only thing you have to lose is your darkness, hardly something to be depressed about.
The greatest miracle a person can experience is being born again. This has already happened to you. The other issues you have with your emotions etc may be dealt with much quicker than you might imagine. I know, I speak from personal experience. It does however depend a great deal on where you go for help.
I've probably heard of much worse cases than your particular circumstances.
Some who are now Christians have been involved in ritualistic murder, ritualistic sexual abuse and severe demonic oppression/inhabitation. Often from an early age, when their parents have been involved in the occult/satanism.
Blessings,
Tony
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Dear Apple:
Sorry that I am interferring in your personal life. After reading all the replies and people shouting praises to God, I decided to write few lines. I hope that you will not mind.
I am convinced that you are not experiencing Holy Spirit. Let me explain how it feels when Holy Spirit comes on you. When Holy Spirit comes on you, you feel shivers and goosebumps and heat. You may also feel burning feeling on your forehead. Your ears burn and you feel heat. When it is over you with abundance and might, you feel no strength in your body.
When evil spirit disguises like this, it also introduces itself. In your heart, you hear a voice, a certain thing is in your room. Always remember, whether it is Holy Spirit you are experiencing or Jesus Christ, there is no pressure exerted on any part of your body, rather you feel as if a big burden is taken away from your shoulders and you feel fresh and light.
Holy Spirit's presence and God's presence are totally two different experiences. Jesus' pesence makes you speechless, motionless, light and tears flow and you cannot stop them. There is immense light around you because you are in the presence of God. That is something difficult to explain, because you have to experience it. I would suggest you to rebuke that pressure in Jesus name and and see the difference yourself.
Just say this small prayer and you will sleep better and will surely come out of this agony, pain and guilt.
Dear Jesus, I am sinner, I confess all of my sins, forgive my sins and come into my heart this very moment and cleanse me of all sin, evil, selfishness, rebellion, disobedience to You, unforgiveness and unrighteousness.
I surrender my life right now to you, and denounce satan. Please write my name in Book of life and prepare me to wear a white robe and a golden crown and to walk with you forever and ever. Teach me how to pray, praise and worship Heavenly Father in Jesus name. AMEN.
I hope my reply will not upset you. I leave you in the hands and protection of Jesus. And please do read Bible because it tells us what to do and what not to do. Once you have prayed this prayer you will be set free. Please remember, Jesus should not be our Lord and Savior in need, rather Jesus should be our Lord and Savior every second of our lives.
In our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
Waqar Daniel
Sorry that I am interferring in your personal life. After reading all the replies and people shouting praises to God, I decided to write few lines. I hope that you will not mind.
I am convinced that you are not experiencing Holy Spirit. Let me explain how it feels when Holy Spirit comes on you. When Holy Spirit comes on you, you feel shivers and goosebumps and heat. You may also feel burning feeling on your forehead. Your ears burn and you feel heat. When it is over you with abundance and might, you feel no strength in your body.
When evil spirit disguises like this, it also introduces itself. In your heart, you hear a voice, a certain thing is in your room. Always remember, whether it is Holy Spirit you are experiencing or Jesus Christ, there is no pressure exerted on any part of your body, rather you feel as if a big burden is taken away from your shoulders and you feel fresh and light.
Holy Spirit's presence and God's presence are totally two different experiences. Jesus' pesence makes you speechless, motionless, light and tears flow and you cannot stop them. There is immense light around you because you are in the presence of God. That is something difficult to explain, because you have to experience it. I would suggest you to rebuke that pressure in Jesus name and and see the difference yourself.
Just say this small prayer and you will sleep better and will surely come out of this agony, pain and guilt.
Dear Jesus, I am sinner, I confess all of my sins, forgive my sins and come into my heart this very moment and cleanse me of all sin, evil, selfishness, rebellion, disobedience to You, unforgiveness and unrighteousness.
I surrender my life right now to you, and denounce satan. Please write my name in Book of life and prepare me to wear a white robe and a golden crown and to walk with you forever and ever. Teach me how to pray, praise and worship Heavenly Father in Jesus name. AMEN.
I hope my reply will not upset you. I leave you in the hands and protection of Jesus. And please do read Bible because it tells us what to do and what not to do. Once you have prayed this prayer you will be set free. Please remember, Jesus should not be our Lord and Savior in need, rather Jesus should be our Lord and Savior every second of our lives.
In our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
Waqar Daniel
Hello Waqar-Daniel,
There is a lot of subjective stuff in your post that would be difficult, no, impossible to prove with the the Bible. The apostle Paul once wrote, “ do not go beyond what is written.” When you speak in terms of what things feel like you are in danger of slipping into error.
The test of whether somethings is of God or not is the fruit it produces. It should be in alinement with Galatians 5:22 & 1 Corinthians 13:4-8. And it should also confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
Feelings can change like the wind, and are about as reliable as a cork tossed about on a choppy sea.
As for the other things you wrote, I thought they were fine, whether they all apply to Apple though is another matter?
There used to be an on line pastor on talk Jesus, I think it is about time he made an appearance and gave some advice.
Blessings,
Tonyb
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I agree with Tony's response. Waqar-Daniel, I suggest you be careful of what you assume. It is not your right, due to your human limited knowledge to assume if the feeling Apple felt is from GOD or not. You cannot base this truth based on your own experience and limited human knowledge. That is wrong and rather is one limiting GOD's power to a box, again based on one's own understanding.
I know you mean no harm, but its better to be careful and respectful to GOD's moving in someone else's life. In case you have not picked up on this yet, you can easily and wrongly discourage someone while the Holy Spirit is trying to work on that person. Don't let the devil slip within your intentions without realizing it.
This is the Scripture that instantly came to my mind:
Isaiah 55:8-10
8 “ For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD.
9 “ For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
10 “ For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater,
I know you mean no harm, but its better to be careful and respectful to GOD's moving in someone else's life. In case you have not picked up on this yet, you can easily and wrongly discourage someone while the Holy Spirit is trying to work on that person. Don't let the devil slip within your intentions without realizing it.
This is the Scripture that instantly came to my mind:
Isaiah 55:8-10
8 “ For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD.
9 “ For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
10 “ For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater,
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Dear Tony and Chad:
Thank you for your kind suggestions and supporting your suggestions with Biblical references.
First let me quote Tony in one of his posts where Tony made few suggestions to Apple.
"I've heard of people having similar experiences before, the pressure round the head etc. I'm not sure what is happening there. I'm going to have to check it out with someone who knows about these things, with your permission of course.
Talk Jesus is a great resource for Christians, but by and large it is not made up of full time ministers. What you could do with is specialist ministry like a pastor or someone like the people who minister from Ellel International.
You may derive a measure of blessing from the people on this website but eventually your going to need live, hands on help. Maybe you are going to have to work up to that, I don't know. But one thing I do know is the life God has for His people is one of abundance, it's a life of love and joy and peace... The Bible calls theses things spiritual fruit and they are in the Holy Spirit. In fact we might say these things are part of His identity, or how we know it is in fact the Holy Spirit.
Another test to see if something is of the Holy Spirit is to confess the Lordship of Jesus Christ. That is a personal confession, confessing Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour. It is a confession of complete dominion whereby you might say, I confess Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour meaning you are giving Him total dominion over your life.
The Holy Spirit won't object to this, He will rather rejoice in such a confession. A spirit that is not the Holy Spirit will not rejoice in such a confession, but will act in a negative manner."
Tony please correct me where I go wrong in understanding your post.
1. You said that you are not sure what is happenig with her and you
proposed that you will check up with someone who know such things.
2. That is she is going to need live, hands on help
3. Then you suggested her to test the spirit by confessing the Lordship of
Christ
How amazing, I also said the same things and you called that I am being deceived by devil and I should not go beyond what is written.
Dear Chad, I thank you also for quoting a special verse for me. I thank you for your kindness and I also thank you for relating me with devil too. It is so amazing that I also found a verse for you.
"The man without the spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, becuase they are spiritually discerned." [1 Corinthians 2:14]
I don't want to argue with you, I accept you have more Biblical knowledge than me and you are both very holy and I am being deceived by devil. Let us call it a day, as I humbled before you and accepted you as holy and accepted that I am simply not.
God bless you
Waqar Daniel
Thank you for your kind suggestions and supporting your suggestions with Biblical references.
First let me quote Tony in one of his posts where Tony made few suggestions to Apple.
"I've heard of people having similar experiences before, the pressure round the head etc. I'm not sure what is happening there. I'm going to have to check it out with someone who knows about these things, with your permission of course.
Talk Jesus is a great resource for Christians, but by and large it is not made up of full time ministers. What you could do with is specialist ministry like a pastor or someone like the people who minister from Ellel International.
You may derive a measure of blessing from the people on this website but eventually your going to need live, hands on help. Maybe you are going to have to work up to that, I don't know. But one thing I do know is the life God has for His people is one of abundance, it's a life of love and joy and peace... The Bible calls theses things spiritual fruit and they are in the Holy Spirit. In fact we might say these things are part of His identity, or how we know it is in fact the Holy Spirit.
Another test to see if something is of the Holy Spirit is to confess the Lordship of Jesus Christ. That is a personal confession, confessing Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour. It is a confession of complete dominion whereby you might say, I confess Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour meaning you are giving Him total dominion over your life.
The Holy Spirit won't object to this, He will rather rejoice in such a confession. A spirit that is not the Holy Spirit will not rejoice in such a confession, but will act in a negative manner."
Tony please correct me where I go wrong in understanding your post.
1. You said that you are not sure what is happenig with her and you
proposed that you will check up with someone who know such things.
2. That is she is going to need live, hands on help
3. Then you suggested her to test the spirit by confessing the Lordship of
Christ
How amazing, I also said the same things and you called that I am being deceived by devil and I should not go beyond what is written.
Dear Chad, I thank you also for quoting a special verse for me. I thank you for your kindness and I also thank you for relating me with devil too. It is so amazing that I also found a verse for you.
"The man without the spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, becuase they are spiritually discerned." [1 Corinthians 2:14]
I don't want to argue with you, I accept you have more Biblical knowledge than me and you are both very holy and I am being deceived by devil. Let us call it a day, as I humbled before you and accepted you as holy and accepted that I am simply not.
God bless you
Waqar Daniel
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Your sarcasm is unacceptable. Its ironic that you boast of knowing the Holy Spirit so well, and assume so much of what Apple is experiencing and yet look at your childish, arrogant, sarcastic reply. Would Jesus respond this way too? Your a hypocrite unwelcomed here. I did not relate you to the devil, but now you only exposed your foolishness yourself. I even clearly said " I know you mean no harm" but you rudely disregarded my consideration of your intentions and twisted my words around. Take your frustrated attitude somewhere else.
Goodbye now.
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Well this thread has got my attention again and I would like to hear other believers views, and what they experience when in God's presence.
Originally Posted by Waker-Daniel
What was written above I can relate to totally, as this is what happens to me when I am in prayer. I don't get shivers and goosebumps much though, but I what I feel, when I pray or read my Bible, is that I get a lightly touched feeling, around my head, near and above my ears. Also I have get that heat which goes through my body.
Do other believers experience this, or what else do you experience, as I really would like to hear your point of view.
I have heard about people stopping what they are doing until they are back in Gods' presence again, like if they were walking and the presence has gone, they re-trace their steps and I assume they pray at the same time to get back in Spirit again.
I can understand this too, because I am striving also to stay in His presence all day, it's something I want, and most believers want to too. I know the flesh is weak, we all know that. and sometimes the more I want to do things the right way, I always end up doing everything totally the wrong way. I feel a bit like Paul in that respect, when he says "What a wrenched man I am, in this case "O wretched women, that I am".
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Not sure if I understand this or relate to it. The presence I feel, say if I have been in prayer for some time, I feel as if I am floating and feel light headed.
Originally Posted by Waker-Daniel
What was written above I can relate to totally, as this is what happens to me when I am in prayer. I don't get shivers and goosebumps much though, but I what I feel, when I pray or read my Bible, is that I get a lightly touched feeling, around my head, near and above my ears. Also I have get that heat which goes through my body.
Do other believers experience this, or what else do you experience, as I really would like to hear your point of view.
I have heard about people stopping what they are doing until they are back in Gods' presence again, like if they were walking and the presence has gone, they re-trace their steps and I assume they pray at the same time to get back in Spirit again.
I can understand this too, because I am striving also to stay in His presence all day, it's something I want, and most believers want to too. I know the flesh is weak, we all know that. and sometimes the more I want to do things the right way, I always end up doing everything totally the wrong way. I feel a bit like Paul in that respect, when he says "What a wrenched man I am, in this case "O wretched women, that I am".
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Not sure if I understand this or relate to it. The presence I feel, say if I have been in prayer for some time, I feel as if I am floating and feel light headed.
When one says: "will act in a negative manner", what will happen. I am just curious.
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This is now the third time that one of my questions has become confrontational. I don't like confrontations and it is NOT my desire to cause them either.
I thank everyone for their thoughts on the matter. It seems that once again I have touched on something that is not as clear cut as I would like it to be. Ummmmmmmmm!
It seems that nobody can really explain this sensation totally and everyone is making educated guesses as to what it is.
One point that I would like to clarify is that when I said yesterday that it was like a pressure on my forehead, I didn't mean that it was a strong pressure. It is a bit like wearing a hair band. You can feel it, but it doesn't hurt, but you know that it is there.
Waqar-Daniel wrote:
"Holy Spirit's presence and God's presence are totally two different experiences."
This statement has totally confused me because I had thought that they were the same thing! - Ummmm
So where do I go from here? - I don't know!
Am I to believe that this sensation is the Holy Spirit, God's presence or an evil spirit?
That is a tough one for me to answer myself with such limited knowledge and a tough one for you to answer as you are not me.
The interesting thing is that I have a peace when this presence is on me. Now whether that is just psychological, I don't know. Maybe the peace is there because I believe that it is God with me (and what could be better than that?) or maybe the peace is there because it is God's presence on me.
I am concerned that it has been suggested that it could be an evil spirit because I certainly do not want that!!!!!!!!!
"Another test to see if something is of the Holy Spirit is to confess the Lordship of Jesus Christ. That is a personal confession, confessing Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour. It is a confession of complete dominion whereby you might say, I confess Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour meaning you are giving Him total dominion over your life.
The Holy Spirit won't object to this, He will rather rejoice in such a confession. A spirit that is not the Holy Spirit will not rejoice in such a confession, but will act in a negative manner."
I was scared to do this as I was concerned what the negative manner could be!
However, when I did it, nothing happened.
I also said the name of Jesus several times and again, nothing happened.
I am therefore happy to conclude that this is God's presence (aka the Holy Spirit). When I feel it, I usually thank God that he is with me.
So to me, it really is like a physical reminder that God is with me. This is something really worth treasuring.
The point that I was trying to make yesterday in my post was that to me, the whole idea of having suicidal thoughts when I can feel God's presence on me is totally abhorrent. However, at no time did I want to suggest in any way that this presence was causing the suicidal thoughts. NO! NO! NO!
That is the devil giving me those thoughts, I am sure.
God is love and he loves me. I believe that. What I don't want to do is to offend God, which I guess I could do every time I feel suicidal.
As the verse in the shoutbox says:
"I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made".
If I believed that verse 100%, how could I have any suicdal thoughts?
I believe that God sees me as fearfully and wonderfully made, but I don't see myself in that way yet. Still, that is another matter, not pertinent to this thread.
What I have got to hold on to is that God loves me and that his presence is with me and for that, I am very happy.
I thank everyone for their thoughts on the matter. It seems that once again I have touched on something that is not as clear cut as I would like it to be. Ummmmmmmmm!
It seems that nobody can really explain this sensation totally and everyone is making educated guesses as to what it is.
One point that I would like to clarify is that when I said yesterday that it was like a pressure on my forehead, I didn't mean that it was a strong pressure. It is a bit like wearing a hair band. You can feel it, but it doesn't hurt, but you know that it is there.
Waqar-Daniel wrote:
"Holy Spirit's presence and God's presence are totally two different experiences."
This statement has totally confused me because I had thought that they were the same thing! - Ummmm
So where do I go from here? - I don't know!
Am I to believe that this sensation is the Holy Spirit, God's presence or an evil spirit?
That is a tough one for me to answer myself with such limited knowledge and a tough one for you to answer as you are not me.
The interesting thing is that I have a peace when this presence is on me. Now whether that is just psychological, I don't know. Maybe the peace is there because I believe that it is God with me (and what could be better than that?) or maybe the peace is there because it is God's presence on me.
I am concerned that it has been suggested that it could be an evil spirit because I certainly do not want that!!!!!!!!!
"Another test to see if something is of the Holy Spirit is to confess the Lordship of Jesus Christ. That is a personal confession, confessing Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour. It is a confession of complete dominion whereby you might say, I confess Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour meaning you are giving Him total dominion over your life.
The Holy Spirit won't object to this, He will rather rejoice in such a confession. A spirit that is not the Holy Spirit will not rejoice in such a confession, but will act in a negative manner."
I was scared to do this as I was concerned what the negative manner could be!
However, when I did it, nothing happened.
I also said the name of Jesus several times and again, nothing happened.
I am therefore happy to conclude that this is God's presence (aka the Holy Spirit). When I feel it, I usually thank God that he is with me.
So to me, it really is like a physical reminder that God is with me. This is something really worth treasuring.
The point that I was trying to make yesterday in my post was that to me, the whole idea of having suicidal thoughts when I can feel God's presence on me is totally abhorrent. However, at no time did I want to suggest in any way that this presence was causing the suicidal thoughts. NO! NO! NO!
That is the devil giving me those thoughts, I am sure.
God is love and he loves me. I believe that. What I don't want to do is to offend God, which I guess I could do every time I feel suicidal.
As the verse in the shoutbox says:
"I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made".
If I believed that verse 100%, how could I have any suicdal thoughts?
I believe that God sees me as fearfully and wonderfully made, but I don't see myself in that way yet. Still, that is another matter, not pertinent to this thread.
What I have got to hold on to is that God loves me and that his presence is with me and for that, I am very happy.
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Yes, that's exactly how I would explain it too. But I get it around my head, just above my ears, it's a very light pressure, it doesn't hurt.
Just remember this scripture Apple.
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
I first got this pressure, just like you have, but later on, I received the heat which went through my body, most times when I pray.
Now this is my view, but I refer the heat to these scriptures.
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Remember we are at all different stages in our walk with God. Some may have forgotten what it's like at the beginning stages of our walk with God, some submitted to Him, quicker than others did and totally handed their whole life over to Him. I am a young Christian, so I haven't done that yet.
You are on the right track.
