"GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE and "REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY"

[Garee]

Your first sentence, I do not follow you: "Yes, Christ signified as the bloody husband in a parable because of circumcision". Can you give me the passage you are basing this on? I find you see parables all over the place, but I never see how you conclude such a passage is meant to be a parable. Forgive me Garee, I seldom can follow your line of thought.

You remind me of a couple of Asian friends, who when talking to me will speak part of a sentence or thought, but leave a major part out that is in their mind, but not expressed verbally. I'm not a mind-reader and continually find myself asking them, "What are you talking about?".

Hi Thanks for the reply

I am one of the parables guys. I was not a reader. I had tribulation got interested early 33 years. When started reading it was like a parable no understanding, had no knowledge of metaphors used in parable needed to teach us how to walk by faith after his unseen understanding of our Holy Father

I am aware of the way I use parables in a hope of supporting the law that without biblical parables, the comparing of the temporal things seen the historical to the invisible eternal things of Christ.

I feel misunderstood many times when it comes to parable and why he hides the gospel from Satan

It can I believe be seen in the parable of the bloody husband Christ the circumcision parable

Exodus 4:25-26 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

Twice the witness of two a bloody husband

Same kind of parable called a figure with Abraham and Issac. Rather than Ziporah the priestess Abraham used as mediator

 

[Dylan569]

Hi Thanks for the reply

I am one of the parables guys. I was not a reader. I had tribulation got interested early 33 years. When started reading it was like a parable no understanding, had no knowledge of metaphors used in parable needed to teach us how to walk by faith after his unseen understanding of our Holy Father

I am aware of the way I use parables in a hope of supporting the law that without biblical parables, the comparing of the temporal things seen the historical to the invisible eternal things of Christ.

I feel misunderstood many times when it comes to parable and why he hides the gospel from Satan

It can I believe be seen in the parable of the bloody husband Christ the circumcision parable

Exodus 4:25-26 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

Twice the witness of two a bloody husband

Same kind of parable called a figure with Abraham and Issac. Rather than Ziporah the priestess Abraham used as mediator

All I see in that section is a record of an historic event, the facts as they happened, and written in plain, literal language. What causes you to see a parable there? The only different thing on v25 I see is how the REB understands and translates this:

"but Zipporah picked up a sharp flint, cut off her son’s foreskin, and touched Moses’ genitals with it, saying, ‘You are my blood-bridegroom.’ So the Lord let Moses alone. It was on that occasion she said, ‘Blood-bridegroom by circumcision.’" (Exod 4:25-26, REB)

"So Zipporah took a flint, cut off her son’s foreskin, and threw it at Moses’ feet. Then she said, “You are a bridegroom of blood to me! ” So He let him alone. At that time she said, “You are a bridegroom of blood,” referring to the circumcision." (Exod 4:25-26, HCSB) The Margin note on "feet" in this translation: "4:25, Some interpret “feet” as a euphemism for genitals."

The euphemism makes more sense to me. What connection does a foreskin have to feet? The Preface to the NEB is followed in the REB and a portion reads: "They recommended that the work should be undertaken; that a completely new translation should be made, rather than a revision, such as had earlier been contemplated by the University Presses of Oxford and Cambridge; and that the translators should be free to employ a contemporary idiom rather than reproduce the traditional 'biblical' English."

I find using the NEB & REB help me think through some passages and bring a different understanding to consider. Actually, the NEB translates this:

"but Zipporah picked up a sharp flint, cut off her son’s foreskin, and touched him with it, saying, ‘You are my blood-bridegroom.’ So the LORD let
Moses alone. Then she said [Or Therefore women say], ‘Blood-bride-groom by circumcision.’

 

[Garee]

All I see in that section is a record of an historic event, the facts as they happened, and written in plain, literal language. What causes you to see a parable there? The only different thing on v25 I see is how the REB understands and translates this:

"but Zipporah picked up a sharp flint, cut off her son’s foreskin, and touched Moses’ genitals with it, saying, ‘You are my blood-bridegroom.’ So the Lord let Moses alone. It was on that occasion she said, ‘Blood-bridegroom by circumcision.’" (Exod 4:25-26, REB)

"So Zipporah took a flint, cut off her son’s foreskin, and threw it at Moses’ feet. Then she said, “You are a bridegroom of blood to me! ” So He let him alone. At that time she said, “You are a bridegroom of blood,” referring to the circumcision." (Exod 4:25-26, HCSB) The Margin note on "feet" in this translation: "4:25, Some interpret “feet” as a euphemism for genitals."

The euphemism makes more sense to me. What connection does a foreskin have to feet? The Preface to the NEB is followed in the REB and a portion reads: "They recommended that the work should be undertaken; that a completely new translation should be made, rather than a revision, such as had earlier been contemplated by the University Presses of Oxford and Cambridge; and that the translators should be free to employ a contemporary idiom rather than reproduce the traditional 'biblical' English."

I find using the NEB & REB help me think through some passages and bring a different understanding to consider. Actually, the NEB translates this:

"but Zipporah picked up a sharp flint, cut off her son’s foreskin, and touched him with it, saying, ‘You are my blood-bridegroom.’ So the LORD let
Moses alone. Then she said [Or Therefore women say], ‘Blood-bride-groom by circumcision.’

Hi thanks

Literal language is used in figures of speech called parables. Parables use ceremonial laws as shadow signs to the unbelieving world in a hope of drawing them by the living word the gospel of salvation

Believers have prophecy sola scriptura to the end of time .

Again, used as shadows beforehand of the suffering "demonstration" of Christ . All of the metaphors used in ceremonial parables spoke of his (Son of man) suffering beforehand and the glory that did follow ;

Bloody husband. . Beautiful parable

1 Peter 1:5-11 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto (born again) salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.;Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:That the trial of your (new born again ", faith being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:;Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:;Receiving the end of your (new born again ) faith, even the salvation of your souls.;Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

I think it was Gershom (a stranger in the land) the first-born son who was circumcised to represent the spiritual seed Christ.

It began being passed down with Abel the first second born to indicate mankind must be born again doctrine of Christ the second born seed was replaced with Moses a fist born. . preparing Gershom a first born for the circumcision ceremonial law, as a parable it is pointed ahead

The first-born Son of God the first of many born again sons of God. . . Christians

 

[Dylan569]

Hi thanks

Literal language is used in figures of speech called parables. Parables use ceremonial laws as shadow signs to the unbelieving world in a hope of drawing them by the living word the gospel of salvation

Believers have prophecy sola scriptura to the end of time .

Again, used as shadows beforehand of the suffering "demonstration" of Christ . All of the metaphors used in ceremonial parables spoke of his (Son of man) suffering beforehand and the glory that did follow ;

Bloody husband. . Beautiful parable

1 Peter 1:5-11 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto (born again) salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.;Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:That the trial of your (new born again ", faith being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:;Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:;Receiving the end of your (new born again ) faith, even the salvation of your souls.;Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

I think it was Gershom (a stranger in the land) the first-born son who was circumcised to represent the spiritual seed Christ.

It began being passed down with Abel the first second born to indicate mankind must be born again doctrine of Christ the second born seed was replaced with Moses a fist born. . preparing Gershom a first born for the circumcision ceremonial law, as a parable it is pointed ahead

The first-born Son of God the first of many born again sons of God. . . Christians

Your brain seems to have an unusual and vibrant imagination, but to me, it is incoherent as you write it. I do not see how 1 Peter 1:5-11 fits with Ex. 4:25-26 in any way, indicating that Ex 4:25-26 is to be seen as a parable. In all honesty, I am rarely able to understand the ideas you wish to convey, and I've never been known to have problems with reading comprehension.

 

[Bill]

It would be good to hear what other Bros & Sissies in Christ believe about who "God's Chosen People" are and "Replacement Theology".

Something to ponder on maybe:
"for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise. (Galatians 3:26–29 ESV)" Does Anyone Actually Believe in Replacement Theology?

Below are verses that I believe to be pertinent, in a discussion on this topic (Are Jews still God's chosen people?:

GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE

The best people to answer this posted question are Jesus and the New Testament Apostle! No matter how modernists wish to interpret the Old Testament statements of the prophets, they do not take president over the clear teaching of the Master:

He came unto His own, and His own received him not. But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the Sons of God...who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:11-13)

Think not to say within yourselves, 'We have Abraham to our father, for I say unto you, that God is able to raise up children unto Abraham. And now the ax is laid unto the root of the trees; therefore every tree which brings `not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire! (Matthew 3:9-10) (This answers the question of whether the Jews are "grandfathered in".)

Ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that you are the children that killed the prophets. Fill up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?...Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (Matthew 23:31-33, 38. Consider also, Mtt. 8:11-12, 21:42-46)

Then Jesus ended His speech by saying that the only way they could be accepted by God would to acknowledge that Jesus is the Blessed One who came in the Name of the LORD.

[Note that modern Israel fails to acknowledge this Deity of Christ...and that modern Orthodox Jews in Israel persecute Christians living there! This was a concern expressed by the King of Jordon a month ago.]

And so how do the Apostles of Christ answer this posted question? They left this record:

For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus...for there is neither Jew or Greek, there is neither bond or free, there is neither male or female, for all are One in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the Promise. (Galatians 3:38)

The original intent of the Abrahamic Covenant was not the privilege of one race, but was a spiritual covenant in which all nations could participate...because of faith in Christ.! (Compare Hebrews 11:8-16 "a spiritual city sought")

You also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ....Unto you therefore who believe he is precious; but unto them who be disobedient, the Stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner...But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people, that you should show forth the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. Which in time past were not a people, but now are the people of God! (1 Peter 2:5-10)

Answer It is clear from the Scriptures which recorded the teaching of Christ and the Apostles, that only those who are disciples of Jesus are the chosen people of God. Hath God cast away His people? No. Any Jew can receive Christ as savior...and many have throughout the centuries. So that there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him. (Romans 10:12) It is in this method alone (through calling on God with faith in Christ) that any and all Israel shall be saved (The Greek word for "so" is an adv. of 'manner' or 'method' Romans 11:26; it does not mean a totality, neither does it refer to a future time.)

So only those Jews who are Christ disciples (Messianic Jews)---and who are willing to share this title with Gentiles---are God's chosen people.

Perhaps we can explore this together ..let me know your thoughts on the topic: God's Chosen People and Replacement Theology?

""Something to ponder on maybe:
"for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.""

I love that statement because it's exactly what I teach people who are Muslims as well as Jews and Christians. That if Abraham is our father then we are all family.

And just because the Muslims call God Allah does not mean that God is still not God. They think of God differently but guess what there's only one God.

I met an Indian once who believed in the Great Spirit . When he said that I knew he was talking about God the same God that I believe in just by a different name, a different vision but yet it's still the same God because there's only one God

I'm not trying to say that the Quran is of God's word, but I am saying that there's only one God.

Just as the Jews did not recognize Jesus, the American Indians didn't recognize the name of God as we would, and the Muslims don't comprehend God the same as we do either. But they're still only one God

 

[Garee]

Your brain seems to have an unusual and vibrant imagination, but to me, it is incoherent as you write it. I do not see how 1 Peter 1:5-11 fits with Ex. 4:25-26 in any way, indicating that Ex 4:25-26 is to be seen as a parable. In all honesty, I am rarely able to understand the ideas you wish to convey, and I've never been known to have problems with reading comprehension.

Thanks

Remember without parables Christ spoke not even once. Hiding the spiritual unseen understanding from the god of this world. The king of lying signs men wonder, wonder after as if true prophecy.

it would seem today more Christians favor seeking lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after rather rightly dividing the parables

Parable to not change the literal historical but do enrich like "honey" or "manna" (what is it?) a metaphor for the word of God used in parable

In that way you must provide proof a parable is not in view

It would seem more of parable misunderstood.

Singling out the dying temporal historical things seen as if the Kingdom of God came by observing the temporal dying . No eternal spiritual understanding

The temporal historical must be compared and mixed with the unseen Faithful things of Christ.

I would think Christ in us has given us the valuable recipe needed to interpret the parable for nothing?

2 Corinthians 4"18; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

If no mixing the two, the temporal historical with the invisible things of faith then no gospel rest. The mystery of the parable remains a mystery of faith

Hebrews 4:1-2 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.;For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

The Exodus parable (bloody husband) Mixing the temporal bloody things seen with the unseen eternal power of faith.

Christ eternal God who has not flesh and blood. .. in a ceremonial law (shadow) used a vail to represent the foreskin of mankind. The Father striking the heel of the Son of man Jesus, crushing the head of Satan who has no unseen spiritual understanding of parables.

Many examples where the apostles failed to use the recipe (2 Corinthian 4:18)

First and foremost a must in any bible study

 

[Dylan569]

""Something to ponder on maybe:
"for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.""

I love that statement because it's exactly what I teach people who are Muslims as well as Jews and Christians. That if Abraham is our father then we are all family.

And just because the Muslims call God Allah does not mean that God is still not God. They think of God differently but guess what there's only one God.

I met an Indian once who believed in the Great Spirit . When he said that I knew he was talking about God the same God that I believe in just by a different name, a different vision but yet it's still the same God because there's only one God

I'm not trying to say that the Quran is of God's word, but I am saying that there's only one God.

Just as the Jews did not recognize Jesus, the American Indians didn't recognize the name of God as we would, and the Muslims don't comprehend God the same as we do either. But they're still only one God

Doesn't your own sentence “They think of God differently but guess what there's only one God.” undercut your argument?

I do not see how those who deny that Jesus the Christ is Yahweh, are looking at the same God I find in the Bible.

On that day the LORD will shield the inhabitants of Jerusalem so that the feeblest among them on that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the angel of the LORD, at their head. And on that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour out a spirit of compassion and supplication on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem so that, when they look on the one(Heb on me) whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child and weep bitterly over him as one weeps over a firstborn. (Zec 12:8-10 NRSVue) *(Heb on me) is the text note.

On that day the LORD will shield the inhabitants of Jerusalem; on that day the very weakest of them shall be like David, and the line of David like God, like the angel of the LORD going before them. On that day I will set about destroying all the nations that come against Jerusalem, but I will pour a spirit of pity and compassion into the line of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Then they shall look on me, on him whom they have pierced, and shall wail over him as over an only child, and shall grieve for him bitterly as for a first-born son. (Zec 12:8-10 NEB)

But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a disciplinarian, for in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith. As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is no longer Jew or Greek; there is no longer slave or free; there is no longer male and female, for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:25-28 NRSVue)

And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment just as you have heard it from the beginning—you must walk in it. Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist! Be on your guard, so that you do not lose what we have worked for but may receive a full reward. Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. (2Jn 1:6-9 NRSVue)

 

[Dylan569]

Thanks

Remember without parables Christ spoke not even once. Hiding the spiritual unseen understanding from the god of this world. The king of lying signs men wonder, wonder after as if true prophecy.

it would seem today more Christians favor seeking lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after rather rightly dividing the parables

Parable to not change the literal historical but do enrich like "honey" or "manna" (what is it?) a metaphor for the word of God used in parable

In that way you must provide proof a parable is not in view

It would seem more of parable misunderstood.

Singling out the dying temporal historical things seen as if the Kingdom of God came by observing the temporal dying . No eternal spiritual understanding

The temporal historical must be compared and mixed with the unseen Faithful things of Christ.

I would think Christ in us has given us the valuable recipe needed to interpret the parable for nothing?

2 Corinthians 4"18; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

If no mixing the two, the temporal historical with the invisible things of faith then no gospel rest. The mystery of the parable remains a mystery of faith

Hebrews 4:1-2 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.;For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

The Exodus parable (bloody husband) Mixing the temporal bloody things seen with the unseen eternal power of faith.

Christ eternal God who has not flesh and blood. .. in a ceremonial law (shadow) used a vail to represent the foreskin of mankind. The Father striking the heel of the Son of man Jesus, crushing the head of Satan who has no unseen spiritual understanding of parables.

Many examples where the apostles failed to use the recipe (2 Corinthian 4:18)

First and foremost a must in any bible study

Your line “Christ eternal God who has not flesh and blood. .. in a ceremonial law (shadow) used a vail to represent the foreskin of mankind.” is incoherent gibberish! I find it impossible to have a conversation with such writing.

 

[Garee]

Your line “Christ eternal God who has not flesh and blood. .. in a ceremonial law (shadow) used a vail to represent the foreskin of mankind.” is incoherent gibberish! I find it impossible to have a conversation with such writing.

Thanks why impossible ?

Does God have flesh and blood? Does the pouring out of blood signify the pouring out of His Holy Spirit just like with the use of water?

Faithless Satan who has no spiritual understnding hid in parables tried to make what you purpose possible using Peter as if he was the Son of man Jesus performing a gospel demonstration of the dynamic duo Father and son team or ministry

Satan the spirit of antichrist which is another teaching authority other that sola scriptura.

The father of lies usurped the role of the unseen Holy Father and gave false prophecy to Peter one of the many antichrists acting as an antichrist which again is another teaching authority other that sola scriptura.

Peter rebuked our invisible Holy Father and forbid the Son of man Jesus for doing the good eternal will of the Holy Father. Peter the serial denier was forgiven for his blasphemies against the Son of man, Jesus

Peter tried to prove eternal God is a dying Jewish man as king of kings. He failed

Mathew 16:22-23;Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

 

[Bill]

Doesn't your own sentence “They think of God differently but guess what there's only one God.” undercut your argument?

I do not see how those who deny that Jesus the Christ is Yahweh, are looking at the same God I find in the Bible.

On that day the LORD will shield the inhabitants of Jerusalem so that the feeblest among them on that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the angel of the LORD, at their head. And on that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour out a spirit of compassion and supplication on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem so that, when they look on the one(Heb on me) whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child and weep bitterly over him as one weeps over a firstborn. (Zec 12:8-10 NRSVue) *(Heb on me) is the text note.

On that day the LORD will shield the inhabitants of Jerusalem; on that day the very weakest of them shall be like David, and the line of David like God, like the angel of the LORD going before them. On that day I will set about destroying all the nations that come against Jerusalem, but I will pour a spirit of pity and compassion into the line of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Then they shall look on me, on him whom they have pierced, and shall wail over him as over an only child, and shall grieve for him bitterly as for a first-born son. (Zec 12:8-10 NEB)

But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a disciplinarian, for in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith. As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is no longer Jew or Greek; there is no longer slave or free; there is no longer male and female, for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:25-28 NRSVue)

And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment just as you have heard it from the beginning—you must walk in it. Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist! Be on your guard, so that you do not lose what we have worked for but may receive a full reward. Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. (2Jn 1:6-9 NRSVue)

It is written in the scripture that The Rock that Moses struck for the Life Giving water was Jesus, and it followed the Israelites around in the desert.

You see the Israelites didn't recognize Jesus. But it doesn't mean that Jesus wasn't there. And what part of God is not God? If a person loves God with their heart aren't they loving Jesus too? Even if they don't know who he is.

 

[Garee]

It is written in the scripture that The Rock that Moses struck for the Life Giving water was Jesus, and it followed the Israelites around in the desert.

You see the Israelites didn't recognize Jesus. But it doesn't mean that Jesus wasn't there. And what part of God is not God? If a person loves God with their heart aren't they loving Jesus too? Even if they don't know who he is.

Yes, Jesus the Christ eternal God was there not Jesus the Son of man. He was born much later to be used as a three days and nights promised demonstration of the Lamb which was slain from the foundation. (Creation)

The six-days of Christ the Father's labor of love or called work of His faithfulness declared "Let there be" and "it was good" .

The antichrists (false prophets false apostles) many that were there.

Antichrist is another teaching authority other than the sola scriptura.(all things written in the law and prophets) They in 1 John 2 tried to seduce the born-again believers that eternal God is a Jewish man as king of kings as the infallible interpreter. the Pope today .

The loving reminder, warning to the believer as Christ works in us the teacher Emanual we abide with His Holy Spirit

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist (one)shall come, even now are there many antichrists;(many) whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing (of Christ) which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing (of Christ) teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Do you need a Pope called a daysman to teach you or is eternal God not a man as us ?

1 John 2:32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.; Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

 

[Bill]

Yes, Jesus the Christ eternal God was there not Jesus the Son of man. He was born much later to be used as a three days and nights promised demonstration of the Lamb which was slain from the foundation. (Creation)

The six-days of Christ the Father's labor of love or called work of His faithfulness declared "Let there be" and "it was good" .

The antichrists (false prophets false apostles) many that were there.

Antichrist is another teaching authority other than the sola scriptura.(all things written in the law and prophets) They in 1 John 2 tried to seduce the born-again believers that eternal God is a Jewish man as king of kings as the infallible interpreter. the Pope today .

The loving reminder, warning to the believer as Christ works in us the teacher Emanual we abide with His Holy Spirit

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist (one)shall come, even now are there many antichrists;(many) whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing (of Christ) which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing (of Christ) teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Do you need a Pope called a daysman to teach you or is eternal God not a man as us ?

1 John 2:32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.; Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

So you believe that there are 2 Jesus's is that what you are saying?

Jesus the Christ and Jesus the Son of Man. ???

Do you even understand what you are saying?

 

[Garee]

So you believe that there are 2 Jesus's is that what you are saying?

Jesus the Christ and Jesus the Son of Man. ???

Do you even understand what you are saying?

From my experience many look at the outward demonstration or shadow as if it was the actual work lamb slain from the foundation, The six days the Holy Father did work. And they attribute the work of the invisible Father to the Son of man Jesus and not Jesus Christ the that worked in the Son of man. The dynamic dual the Holy Father bruising his sons heel crushing the head of the serpent.

The Dynamic Duo. The promised prophecy of work of two working as one. Genesis 3:15 with its companion parable Isaiah 53 .The bruising of the heel

Demonstrated first in the garden of Gethsemane when Christ the Holy Father began bruising the son of man heel . . . suffering unto death not dead never to rise. Three time in agony he looked for support from the other apostles. Three time the invisible Holy Father put them to sleep to fulfill the prophecy of the dynamic duo. By those wounds inflicted by the Holy Father we are healed.

Then after he awoke them, they moved to the second demonstration of three, the Hill of the Skull. The demonstration as a sign or shadow written in a parable to the whole world in a hope of drawing them to scripture.

Believers have the prophecy "bruised heel" no need to follow signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after. The bloody demonstration giving the false idea it was the Satan inspired crowd that caused the suffering (bruising of the heel)

The same kind of confusion of one that would make the son of man Jesus the one good teaching master the Father. Jesus the Son of man dying mankind would never blaspheme the name of the Holy Father

Mark 10:17-18And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled (worshiped flesh) to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Yes, I understand that the word Jesus means savor just like Joshua. And Christ pertaining to the Holy Father means the one good infallible teaching master.

The Son of man Jesus became the Son of God born of God. He was not born again the first time. Two births are required .

 

[Dylan569]

From my experience many look at the outward demonstration or shadow as if it was the actual work lamb slain from the foundation, The six days the Holy Father did work. And they attribute the work of the invisible Father to the Son of man Jesus and not Jesus Christ the that worked in the Son of man. The dynamic dual the Holy Father bruising his sons heel crushing the head of the serpent.

The Dynamic Duo. The promised prophecy of work of two working as one. Genesis 3:15 with its companion parable Isaiah 53 .The bruising of the heel

Demonstrated first in the garden of Gethsemane when Christ the Holy Father began bruising the son of man heel . . . suffering unto death not dead never to rise. Three time in agony he looked for support from the other apostles. Three time the invisible Holy Father put them to sleep to fulfill the prophecy of the dynamic duo. By those wounds inflicted by the Holy Father we are healed.

Then after he awoke them, they moved to the second demonstration of three, the Hill of the Skull. The demonstration as a sign or shadow written in a parable to the whole world in a hope of drawing them to scripture.

Believers have the prophecy "bruised heel" no need to follow signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after. The bloody demonstration giving the false idea it was the Satan inspired crowd that caused the suffering (bruising of the heel)

The same kind of confusion of one that would make the son of man Jesus the one good teaching master the Father. Jesus the Son of man dying mankind would never blaspheme the name of the Holy Father

Mark 10:17-18And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled (worshiped flesh) to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Yes, I understand that the word Jesus means savor just like Joshua. And Christ pertaining to the Holy Father means the one good infallible teaching master.

The Son of man Jesus became the Son of God born of God. He was not born again the first time. Two births are required .

Garee, I mean no disrespect, but is English your native language, or is it your second language? Or, are you putting a language into a computerized translator to render it into English? I am asking because your grammar and sentence structure is such it is virtually impossible to know what you are trying to convey? Your English composition is poor. At 83, taking many medications, I make a lot of mistakes, and if I did not have a spelling and grammar checker, I'd have frequent mistakes. I do not mean to be critical in a mean-spirited way.

 

[Garee]

Garee, I mean no disrespect, but is English your native language, or is it your second language? Or, are you putting a language into a computerized translator to render it into English? I am asking because your grammar and sentence structure is such it is virtually impossible to know what you are trying to convey? Your English composition is poor. At 83, taking many medications, I make a lot of mistakes, and if I did not have a spelling and grammar checker, I'd have frequent mistakes. I do not mean to be critical in a mean-spirited way.

Thanks sorry

I would say a mixture of both. Poor schooling hated English and reading didn't start seeking till 33. . mixed with what I consider a good understanding of parables mysteries of God. Parables are purposely designed to be hard to understand to hide the spiritual understanding of the gospel from this world ..

In that way because without parables the hidden gospel or unseen understanding of faith Christ spoke not

While I am sure the grammar of Jesus was understood but because he spoke not without parables, he was the most misunderstood man that ever walked on water. His own family rejected him because of the confusion caused by parables. The Apostles most of thought he went off the deep end. They decided to choose a new Alpha male The reason he wept in regard with Lazarus not unsending the spirit word death. Thinking it only applies to the things seen the temporal .

Not claiming to be equal with Jesus but have suffered persecution partially because of my love of parables they do not change the Historical temporal but do enrich like Johnathan's honey giving new life to the adventure our daily bread

A good commentary Luke 9 and Mark 9 a series of parables hiding the spiritual meaning. In the end of the series verse 55 the Lord rebuked the apostles and revealed to them they knew not what manner of spirit they were of (the spirit of the unredeemed) .

It would seem that Lucifer the false light, king of lying sign to wonder, wonder, wonder in limbo after as if true prophecy has all but removed the use of parables.

Out of the Body or I had a dream would seem to be more sought after than the interpretation of rightly dividing a parable .

Make me wonder when he comes on the last day under the Sun will he find faith the unseen things of God hid in parables, or will it be out of the body I had a dream as if God was still adding to the living abiding word sola scriptura

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear @Garee
Sadly, it is time for you to move on. The mysticism backed with numerology, along with not believing in the Trinity is not for Talk Jesus. I hope you will find another site conducive to what you believe is true.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Bill]

Dear @Garee
Sadly, it is time for you to move on. The mysticism backed with numerology, along with not believing in the Trinity is not for Talk Jesus. I hope you will find another site conducive to what you believe is true.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/
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It is truly a shame that he has to go although I can really understand it for people that are young Christians. I mean as a young Christian coming here and reading that would be extremely confusing to anyone. And I would say any of us mature Christians are probably a little confused too just trying to follow along.

I was really hoping that he might actually see the errors of his own words tripping over them as he was