"GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE and "REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY"

[Jesua888]

It would be good to hear what other Bros & Sissies in Christ believe about who "God's Chosen People" are and "Replacement Theology".

Something to ponder on maybe:
"for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise. (Galatians 3:26–29 ESV)" Does Anyone Actually Believe in Replacement Theology?

Below are verses that I believe to be pertinent, in a discussion on this topic (https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/97396/are-jews-still-gods-chosen-people:

GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE

The best people to answer this posted question are Jesus and the New Testament Apostle! No matter how modernists wish to interpret the Old Testament statements of the prophets, they do not take president over the clear teaching of the Master:

He came unto His own, and His own received him not. But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the Sons of God...who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:11-13)

Think not to say within yourselves, 'We have Abraham to our father, for I say unto you, that God is able to raise up children unto Abraham. And now the ax is laid unto the root of the trees; therefore every tree which brings `not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire! (Matthew 3:9-10) (This answers the question of whether the Jews are "grandfathered in".)

Ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that you are the children that killed the prophets. Fill up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?...Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (Matthew 23:31-33, 38. Consider also, Mtt. 8:11-12, 21:42-46)

Then Jesus ended His speech by saying that the only way they could be accepted by God would to acknowledge that Jesus is the Blessed One who came in the Name of the LORD.

[Note that modern Israel fails to acknowledge this Deity of Christ...and that modern Orthodox Jews in Israel persecute Christians living there! This was a concern expressed by the King of Jordon a month ago.]

And so how do the Apostles of Christ answer this posted question? They left this record:

For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus...for there is neither Jew or Greek, there is neither bond or free, there is neither male or female, for all are One in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the Promise. (Galatians 3:38)

The original intent of the Abrahamic Covenant was not the privilege of one race, but was a spiritual covenant in which all nations could participate...because of faith in Christ.! (Compare Hebrews 11:8-16 "a spiritual city sought")

You also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ....Unto you therefore who believe he is precious; but unto them who be disobedient, the Stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner...But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people, that you should show forth the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. Which in time past were not a people, but now are the people of God! (1 Peter 2:5-10)

Answer It is clear from the Scriptures which recorded the teaching of Christ and the Apostles, that only those who are disciples of Jesus are the chosen people of God. Hath God cast away His people? No. Any Jew can receive Christ as savior...and many have throughout the centuries. So that there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him. (Romans 10:12) It is in this method alone (through calling on God with faith in Christ) that any and all Israel shall be saved (The Greek word for "so" is an adv. of 'manner' or 'method' Romans 11:26; it does not mean a totality, neither does it refer to a future time.)

So only those Jews who are Christ disciples (Messianic Jews)---and who are willing to share this title with Gentiles---are God's chosen people.

Perhaps we can explore this together ..let me know your thoughts on the topic: God's Chosen People and Replacement Theology?

 

[Garee]

It would be good to hear what other Bros & Sissies in Christ believe about who "God's Chosen People" are and "Replacement Theology".

Something to ponder on maybe:
"for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise. (Galatians 3:26–29 ESV)" Does Anyone Actually Believe in Replacement Theology?

Below are verses that I believe to be pertinent, in a discussion on this topic (https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/97396/are-jews-still-gods-chosen-people:

GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE

The best people to answer this posted question are Jesus and the New Testament Apostle! No matter how modernists wish to interpret the Old Testament statements of the prophets, they do not take president over the clear teaching of the Master:

He came unto His own, and His own received him not. But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the Sons of God...who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:11-13)

Think not to say within yourselves, 'We have Abraham to our father, for I say unto you, that God is able to raise up children unto Abraham. And now the ax is laid unto the root of the trees; therefore every tree which brings `not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire! (Matthew 3:9-10) (This answers the question of whether the Jews are "grandfathered in".)

Ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that you are the children that killed the prophets. Fill up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?...Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (Matthew 23:31-33, 38. Consider also, Mtt. 8:11-12, 21:42-46)

Then Jesus ended His speech by saying that the only way they could be accepted by God would to acknowledge that Jesus is the Blessed One who came in the Name of the LORD.

[Note that modern Israel fails to acknowledge this Deity of Christ...and that modern Orthodox Jews in Israel persecute Christians living there! This was a concern expressed by the King of Jordon a month ago.]

And so how do the Apostles of Christ answer this posted question? They left this record:

For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus...for there is neither Jew or Greek, there is neither bond or free, there is neither male or female, for all are One in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the Promise. (Galatians 3:38)

The original intent of the Abrahamic Covenant was not the privilege of one race, but was a spiritual covenant in which all nations could participate...because of faith in Christ.! (Compare Hebrews 11:8-16 "a spiritual city sought")

You also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ....Unto you therefore who believe he is precious; but unto them who be disobedient, the Stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner...But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people, that you should show forth the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. Which in time past were not a people, but now are the people of God! (1 Peter 2:5-10)

Answer It is clear from the Scriptures which recorded the teaching of Christ and the Apostles, that only those who are disciples of Jesus are the chosen people of God. Hath God cast away His people? No. Any Jew can receive Christ as savior...and many have throughout the centuries. So that there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him. (Romans 10:12) It is in this method alone (through calling on God with faith in Christ) that any and all Israel shall be saved (The Greek word for "so" is an adv. of 'manner' or 'method' Romans 11:26; it does not mean a totality, neither does it refer to a future time.)

So only those Jews who are Christ disciples (Messianic Jews)---and who are willing to share this title with Gentiles---are God's chosen people.

Perhaps we can explore this together ..let me know your thoughts on the topic: God's Chosen People and Replacement Theology?

Thanks great subject. Good Bible study stuff.

Two sides to a coin one hidden.

All Israel is not born-again Isreal the hidden or spiritual side some remained as Jacob meaning the deceiver before the born-again name change .

The side up seen. . give to Ceasar under the god of this world and give God our Holy father the honor of his living abiding word that works in those yoked with his labor of love. the hidden side gospel side.

The flip a coin parable.

Mark 12:16-18And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's. And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things (Invisable ) that are God's. And they marveled at him.

I would offer first and foremost the use of the word "apostle" an obscure word left in its original Grek for some odd reason, and the use of the phrase "chosen people".

it is not chosen race. God is not a racist like Jonas who would rather die than relate.

In that way racism the sin of identity theft judging outward. Character assignation.

Not a political point which it seems to have become some sort of battle which side knows how to be merciful at the cost of the tax player.

"Let it be" Our invisible God Christ the Holy Father ? Or type of government others must venerate dying mankind. In the end exposes themselves of those who say the resurrection meaning: the rising again or born again" has come destroying the faith (unseen power of God ) of some

2 Timothy 2:18;Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.


Not Jesus and the New Testament Apostle! As if all one in the same. Not inspired by the apostles (sent one) many gospels. But by and through Christ who mightily worked in them

The gospel of Christ the power of God. Not the power of the beatiful feet shod with the gospel (sola scriptura)

One thing Jesus the Son of man is the chief "apostle" sent by the Holy Father Just as he sent him he sends us

John 20:21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me,(apostle) I also send you.”(apostle)

The first listed prophet sent with the gospel called an apostle is Abel a second born establishing the law .Dying mankind be born again Christ
.replaced Abel as a second born with Enos anther second born. It was then that born again sons of God had the power to call on our Holy Father

Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed (spiritual Christ) instead of (born again) Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then (not before) began men to call upon the name (faithful power) of the Lord.

Why venerate dying mankind apostles above sola scriptura.? Why put hope in dying flesh by violating the loving warning (Deuteronomy 4:2) to not as or subtract from one word like the word apostle noe word can change all the loving commandments .

Apostle. . Sent messenger, UPS, Fed X, Uber, Amazon , smoke signals. Pony Express e.t.c.

Genesis 4:;And Cain talked with Abel his brother: (gospel) and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. (the first listed martyr)

The mark of the beast un-redeemed mankind the father of lies a serial murderer from that very beginning.

 

[Jesua888]

Sorry Brother Garee, I am lost with this response ... it does not seem to relate to the topic, and perhaps I am just not understanding the connection?
Warm wishes, Linda

 

[Garee]

Sorry Brother Garee, I am lost with this response ... it does not seem to relate to the topic, and perhaps I am just not understanding the connection?
Warm wishes, Linda

I would think you misunderstand the false doctrine of replacement Theology.

Nothing is replaced.

 

[B-A-C]

Verses Often Cited for Replacement Theology
Matthew 21:43
“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.”

Replacement view: Jesus is speaking to Jewish leaders, implying the kingdom will be taken from Israel and given to the Church.
Alternative view: This is a warning to unfaithful leaders, not a blanket rejection of all Jews. The “people” could include faithful Jews and Gentiles—those who respond to God.
Romans 2:28–29
“A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly... but a Jew is one inwardly...”

Replacement view: Paul redefines Jewish identity spiritually, implying ethnic Israel is no longer central.
Alternative view: Paul emphasizes heart transformation, not ethnic exclusion. He’s not denying Jewish identity but expanding the concept to include Gentiles grafted in.
Galatians 3:28–29
“There is neither Jew nor Gentile... If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed...”

Replacement view: All distinctions are erased; the Church inherits the promises.
Alternative view: Unity in Christ doesn’t erase ethnic identity. Gentiles are included in the promise, not replacing Jews but joining them.
Hebrews 8:13
“By calling this covenant ‘new,’ he has made the first one obsolete...”

Replacement view: The Mosaic covenant is obsolete, so Israel’s role is ended.
Alternative view: The covenant is fulfilled in Christ, but God’s promises to Israel (e.g., land, restoration) are not nullified. The New Covenant includes both Jews and Gentiles.

Verses Supporting Inclusion Without Replacement
Romans 11:1–2
“Did God reject his people? By no means!... God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.”

Paul explicitly denies that Israel has been rejected.
Romans 11:17–24
Gentiles are grafted into the olive tree.

The tree represents God’s covenant people. Gentiles are added, not replacing the natural branches (Israel), which can be grafted back in.
Ephesians 2:11–22
Gentiles are brought near and made fellow citizens.

This passage emphasizes unity and inclusion, not replacement.

1. Those in Judea Who Must Flee
Matthew 24:15–22

“Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains...”

Context: Jesus is speaking prophetically about a future time of great tribulation.
Implication: This is a specific warning to people in Judea, not a general statement to the Church. It implies that ethnic Jews in the land of Israel will be present and significant in end-times events.
Interpretation: God is still dealing with Israel as a people and a place in His redemptive timeline.

2. The 144,000 Sealed from the Tribes of Israel
Revelation 7:4–8

“144,000 from all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed...”

Literal view: These are ethnic Jews, 12,000 from each tribe, set apart during the tribulation.
Symbolic view: Some interpret this as the full number of God’s people, but even then, the Jewish identity is preserved in the symbolism.
Implication: God is not done with Israel; He is preserving a remnant for a specific purpose.

3. All Israel Will Be Saved
Romans 11:25–26

“I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery... that a partial hardening has come upon Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved...”

Key point: Paul distinguishes between Israel and the Gentiles, showing that Israel’s hardening is temporary.
“All Israel”: Often interpreted as a future mass turning of ethnic Jews to Christ.
Implication: God’s covenant with Israel is irrevocable (Romans 11:29), and He has a future plan for their salvation.

Theological Summary
Inclusion ≠ Replacement: Gentiles are grafted in (Romans 11), but the root remains Israel.
Remnant Theology: God has always worked through a faithful remnant of Israel (Romans 9:6–8).
Dual Fulfillment: Many prophecies have both a near and far fulfillment—some in the Church, some in ethnic Israel.

 

[Garee]

Verses Often Cited for Replacement Theology
Matthew 21:43
“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.”

Replacement view: Jesus is speaking to Jewish leaders, implying the kingdom will be taken from Israel and given to the Church.
Alternative view: This is a warning to unfaithful leaders, not a blanket rejection of all Jews. The “people” could include faithful Jews and Gentiles—those who respond to God.
Romans 2:28–29
“A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly... but a Jew is one inwardly...”

Replacement view: Paul redefines Jewish identity spiritually, implying ethnic Israel is no longer central.
Alternative view: Paul emphasizes heart transformation, not ethnic exclusion. He’s not denying Jewish identity but expanding the concept to include Gentiles grafted in.
Galatians 3:28–29
“There is neither Jew nor Gentile... If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.

I would offer from my perspective.

In that parable or gospel understanding it is in respect to the changing of the name of Christ's wife the church spoken of in Isaiah 50.The bill of your mother's divorcement.

The bill when the mother named Sarah deceived Issac . Issac "God laughted." .

Sarah with the veil of the hair or covering of a goat on Jacob's arm. In agreement with the second born Jacob whose name means the deceiver. The mother making sure he lived up to the repetition of his name deceiver. Natural uncovered mankind. Not blessing the first-born Esau who had no desire for the spiritual invisible things of Christ.

Isaiah 50Thus saith the Lord, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.

The new- born again spiritual seed Christ . . . Isreal of God

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but (born again) Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Then to fulfil the meaning of Abraham meaning the Holy Father of all nation ' He promised to rename her in Isaiah 62:and fulfilled in Acts .Calling her Christian. Literally meaning "residents of the eternal city" prepared for his bride. Named after her husband and founder Christ.

I would think a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations under the Holy Father called Abraham Father of all nations

Isaiah 62For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Sound the Trump make the name Christian . . . . . great again. . born again

 

[Jesua888]

Verses Often Cited for Replacement Theology
Matthew 21:43
“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.”

Replacement view: Jesus is speaking to Jewish leaders, implying the kingdom will be taken from Israel and given to the Church.
Alternative view: This is a warning to unfaithful leaders, not a blanket rejection of all Jews. The “people” could include faithful Jews and Gentiles—those who respond to God.
Romans 2:28–29
“A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly... but a Jew is one inwardly...”

Replacement view: Paul redefines Jewish identity spiritually, implying ethnic Israel is no longer central.
Alternative view: Paul emphasizes heart transformation, not ethnic exclusion. He’s not denying Jewish identity but expanding the concept to include Gentiles grafted in.
Galatians 3:28–29
“There is neither Jew nor Gentile... If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed...”

Replacement view: All distinctions are erased; the Church inherits the promises.
Alternative view: Unity in Christ doesn’t erase ethnic identity. Gentiles are included in the promise, not replacing Jews but joining them.
Hebrews 8:13
“By calling this covenant ‘new,’ he has made the first one obsolete...”

Replacement view: The Mosaic covenant is obsolete, so Israel’s role is ended.
Alternative view: The covenant is fulfilled in Christ, but God’s promises to Israel (e.g., land, restoration) are not nullified. The New Covenant includes both Jews and Gentiles.

Verses Supporting Inclusion Without Replacement
Romans 11:1–2
“Did God reject his people? By no means!... God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.”

Paul explicitly denies that Israel has been rejected.
Romans 11:17–24
Gentiles are grafted into the olive tree.

The tree represents God’s covenant people. Gentiles are added, not replacing the natural branches (Israel), which can be grafted back in.
Ephesians 2:11–22
Gentiles are brought near and made fellow citizens.

This passage emphasizes unity and inclusion, not replacement.

1. Those in Judea Who Must Flee
Matthew 24:15–22

“Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains...”

Context: Jesus is speaking prophetically about a future time of great tribulation.
Implication: This is a specific warning to people in Judea, not a general statement to the Church. It implies that ethnic Jews in the land of Israel will be present and significant in end-times events.
Interpretation: God is still dealing with Israel as a people and a place in His redemptive timeline.

2. The 144,000 Sealed from the Tribes of Israel
Revelation 7:4–8

“144,000 from all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed...”

Literal view: These are ethnic Jews, 12,000 from each tribe, set apart during the tribulation.
Symbolic view: Some interpret this as the full number of God’s people, but even then, the Jewish identity is preserved in the symbolism.
Implication: God is not done with Israel; He is preserving a remnant for a specific purpose.

3. All Israel Will Be Saved
Romans 11:25–26

“I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery... that a partial hardening has come upon Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved...”

Key point: Paul distinguishes between Israel and the Gentiles, showing that Israel’s hardening is temporary.
“All Israel”: Often interpreted as a future mass turning of ethnic Jews to Christ.
Implication: God’s covenant with Israel is irrevocable (Romans 11:29), and He has a future plan for their salvation.

Theological Summary
Inclusion ≠ Replacement: Gentiles are grafted in (Romans 11), but the root remains Israel.
Remnant Theology: God has always worked through a faithful remnant of Israel (Romans 9:6–8).
Dual Fulfillment: Many prophecies have both a near and far fulfillment—some in the Church, some in ethnic Israel.

Thank you B-A-C for taking so much time and effort to educate us on the bible verses and their meaning - superbly presented : )

 

[Jesua888]

I would offer from my perspective.

In that parable or gospel understanding it is in respect to the changing of the name of Christ's wife the church spoken of in Isaiah 50.The bill of your mother's divorcement.

The bill when the mother named Sarah deceived Issac . Issac "God laughted." .

Sarah with the veil of the hair or covering of a goat on Jacob's arm. In agreement with the second born Jacob whose name means the deceiver. The mother making sure he lived up to the repetition of his name deceiver. Natural uncovered mankind. Not blessing the first-born Esau who had no desire for the spiritual invisible things of Christ.

Isaiah 50Thus saith the Lord, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.

The new- born again spiritual seed Christ . . . Isreal of God

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but (born again) Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Then to fulfil the meaning of Abraham meaning the Holy Father of all nation ' He promised to rename her in Isaiah 62:and fulfilled in Acts .Calling her Christian. Literally meaning "residents of the eternal city" prepared for his bride. Named after her husband and founder Christ.

I would think a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations under the Holy Father called Abraham Father of all nations

Isaiah 62For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Sound the Trump make the name Christian . . . . . great again. . born again

These are verses that mean something to me : )

"The new- born again spiritual seed Christ . . . Isreal of God"

"Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but (born again) Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed."

However, I am not sure about your comment: "I would think you misunderstand the false doctrine of replacement Theology.
Nothing is replaced."

What exactly is 'Replacement Thelogy' and how does it apply to "God's Chosen People" who are all of us in Christ?

 

[Jesua888]

I know that we do not all agree on everything, and that is why we are here, to learn from each other, and hopefully put "pride" aside, in case there actually Is something to learn.

So I feel compelled to share this video, and I truly hope that people will take the time and trouble to listen to this message which many Christians seem to have missed or have been misguided about. IMHO this is Biblical Truth:

 

[Jesua888]

I would think you misunderstand the false doctrine of replacement Theology.

Nothing is replaced.

Please see my latest sharing : )

 

[Garee]

I know that we do not all agree on everything, and that is why we are here, to learn from each other, and hopefully put "pride" aside, in case there actually Is something to learn.

So I feel compelled to share this video, and I truly hope that people will take the time and trouble to listen to this message which many Christians seem to have missed or have been misguided about. IMHO this is Biblical Truth:

Thanks, I understand the video and disagree.

To begin with it sems to make the doctrine "it's a evil generation" natural unconverted mankind foundation "out of sight out of mind" that seeks after signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after rather than "prophecy" Signs to wonder after. Making prophecy to no effect

Literal fleshly Israel as the bride or church of Christ used in parables it is used to help understanding the use of the doctrine that dying mankind must be born again or resurrected.

It began in Genesis 4 Cain the first born having no spiritual gospel understanding. When the Holy Father sent the apostle Abel the second born to preach. Cain, buried Abel 6 feet under the corn (out of sight out of mind) silenced the gospel of Abel the first martyr.

The first murder of the father of lies a murderer from that beginning. Aiding in teaching dying mankind "must be born again". God gave another second born seed (spirit Christ) to Enos it was then and not before the second, second born . . .that men miraculously could call on God and be heard.

The second born seed was passed on generation after generation to Eaus meaning maker or first born and Jacob meaning the deceiver or unfaithful wife the second born.

Esau the first born who saw no value in the unseen eternal spiritual things of our Holy Father sold his birth rite for a cup of hairy goat soup and burnt toast just like Onan who spiled the second born seed or Cain seeing no value in the invisible gospel things of Christ

Jacob would appear to be the divorced deceitful unfaithful Israel, the Old Testament a bill of divorce

Jew or Greek new- born again creatures what we will be not what we are

The conflict will remain as a witness to the new name the Holy Father promised to re-name his bride in Isaiah 62 th bride of all nations to live up to His Holy name Abraham meaning the Holy Father of all the nations, renamed her in Acts.

Christian a demonym .meaning residents of the city of Christ prepared for his wife the church. Named after its founder and husband Christ .

A more befitting name to name the one bride of all the nations.

The conflict will continue till the end of time as a reminder No signs were given to seek after. The gospel should stay up just like the confederate flag that some desire to take down or removing the ten commandments from the classroom

Support the born-again Isael in any dying corrupting land. Pilgrim from foreign land the heavenly city of Christ

 

[BroTan]

Jesus says in (Matthew 15:24 ) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel and yet not understand the significance or the importance of biblical Israel. The truth of the matter is, people as a whole, know very little about Israel or their relationship with God. A point one should take note of, is that, it was Israel who received the word of God. It was Israel, through whom God revealed Himself to man. And Jesus, Himself was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Now other sheep, were received into Jesus fold and these other sheep were the Gentiles. Jesus stated that there would be one fold and one shepherd. In other words Jesus is the way of salvation to all, to Jew and Gentile alike. And to follow Jesus, and to be His sheep, one must obey the word of God. Now Gods word as mentioned was given to Israel. Hence to be a sheep in Jesus fold, one must adhere to the word given to Israel.

The failure of Israel to obey God, and to keep His commandments is what brought salvation to the Gentiles. Paul lets you know that as a result of Israels disobedience and their provoking of God, in turn caused God to choose a people, whereby which He, would provoke Israel and make them jealous.

Romans (11:11) I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Paul in the above verse is citing Moses because it was Moses who first warned Israel that this was going to happen to them back in Deuteronomy.

Romans (10:19) But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

Deuteronomy (32:21) They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
But Paul says something interesting in Romans 11: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[Garee]

Jesus says in (Matthew 15:24 ) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel and yet not understand the significance or the importance of biblical Israel. The truth of the matter is, people as a whole, know very little about Israel or their relationship with God. A point one should take note of, is that, it was Israel who received the word of God. It was Israel, through whom God revealed Himself to man. And Jesus, Himself was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Now other sheep, were received into Jesus fold and these other sheep were the Gentiles. Jesus stated that there would be one fold and one shepherd. In other words Jesus is the way of salvation to all, to Jew and Gentile alike. And to follow Jesus, and to be His sheep, one must obey the word of God. Now Gods word as mentioned was given to Israel. Hence to be a sheep in Jesus fold, one must adhere to the word given to Israel.

The failure of Israel to obey God, and to keep His commandments is what brought salvation to the Gentiles. Paul lets you know that as a result of Israels disobedience and their provoking of God, in turn caused God to choose a people, whereby which He, would provoke Israel and make them jealous.

Romans (11:11) I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Paul in the above verse is citing Moses because it was Moses who first warned Israel that this was going to happen to them back in Deuteronomy.

Romans (10:19) But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

Deuteronomy (32:21) They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
But Paul says something interesting in Romans 11: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

I would offer.

When looking at the born-again doctrine or law

It's not as if the living word (sola scriptura) is, powerless. Not all of Israel is born again Israel just like the new name the Holy Father named the bride in Acts Christian, meaning "residents of the heavenly city" prepared for his wife the church.

A more befitting name to name the bride of al the nations of the world. Named after it founder and husband Christ.

Not all that call themselves Christian are born again Christians just as not all the identify with Israel are born again Israel A remnant of them are not born again

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Before the bride of Christ was identified by the word Israel, which is defined, as one born again strengthened by God not seen prevailing bringing victory in life

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Expanding the definition using Jabob the deceiver

Genesis 35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

Genesis 27:36 And he said, Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright; and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing. And he said, Hast thou not reserved a blessing for me?

Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel (Jacob ) committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Divorced Jacob, backsliding Israel. demonstrated in the Hosea and Gomer parable. . .Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away. And Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, (dead) but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

God is not a man as us .

 

[David Koberstein]

It would be good to hear what other Bros & Sissies in Christ believe about who "God's Chosen People" are and "Replacement Theology".

Something to ponder on maybe:
"for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise. (Galatians 3:26–29 ESV)" Does Anyone Actually Believe in Replacement Theology?

Below are verses that I believe to be pertinent, in a discussion on this topic (Are Jews still God's chosen people?:

GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE

The best people to answer this posted question are Jesus and the New Testament Apostle! No matter how modernists wish to interpret the Old Testament statements of the prophets, they do not take president over the clear teaching of the Master:

He came unto His own, and His own received him not. But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the Sons of God...who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:11-13)

Think not to say within yourselves, 'We have Abraham to our father, for I say unto you, that God is able to raise up children unto Abraham. And now the ax is laid unto the root of the trees; therefore every tree which brings `not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire! (Matthew 3:9-10) (This answers the question of whether the Jews are "grandfathered in".)

Ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that you are the children that killed the prophets. Fill up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?...Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (Matthew 23:31-33, 38. Consider also, Mtt. 8:11-12, 21:42-46)

Then Jesus ended His speech by saying that the only way they could be accepted by God would to acknowledge that Jesus is the Blessed One who came in the Name of the LORD.

[Note that modern Israel fails to acknowledge this Deity of Christ...and that modern Orthodox Jews in Israel persecute Christians living there! This was a concern expressed by the King of Jordon a month ago.]

And so how do the Apostles of Christ answer this posted question? They left this record:

For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus...for there is neither Jew or Greek, there is neither bond or free, there is neither male or female, for all are One in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the Promise. (Galatians 3:38)

The original intent of the Abrahamic Covenant was not the privilege of one race, but was a spiritual covenant in which all nations could participate...because of faith in Christ.! (Compare Hebrews 11:8-16 "a spiritual city sought")

You also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ....Unto you therefore who believe he is precious; but unto them who be disobedient, the Stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner...But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people, that you should show forth the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. Which in time past were not a people, but now are the people of God! (1 Peter 2:5-10)

Answer It is clear from the Scriptures which recorded the teaching of Christ and the Apostles, that only those who are disciples of Jesus are the chosen people of God. Hath God cast away His people? No. Any Jew can receive Christ as savior...and many have throughout the centuries. So that there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him. (Romans 10:12) It is in this method alone (through calling on God with faith in Christ) that any and all Israel shall be saved (The Greek word for "so" is an adv. of 'manner' or 'method' Romans 11:26; it does not mean a totality, neither does it refer to a future time.)

So only those Jews who are Christ disciples (Messianic Jews)---and who are willing to share this title with Gentiles---are God's chosen people.

Perhaps we can explore this together ..let me know your thoughts on the topic: God's Chosen People and Replacement Theology?

The Jewishness of the Christian Faith​

by Tuvia Pollack

About one hundred years after the death and resurrection of Christ, a rich man named Marcion arrived to Rome. He donated a large sum to the Christian congregation there, and started teaching a total separation between Christianity and Judaism. He taught that the God of the Old Testament was an “evil and vengeful God.” He created his own bible, comprised only of a heavily edited version of the gospel of Luke and ten of Paul’s letters.
The congregation returned his donation and expelled him from Rome in 144 AD. He moved to the area of modern Turkey where he continued to teach his false doctrine. It became a separate religion, Marcionism, which disappeared within a few hundred years.
This event illustrates for us the absurdity that occurs when we try to understand Christianity without its Jewish roots. Everything Jesus did and taught was based on Judaism. He was the promised Messiah that the Old Testament points to through numerous prophecies. He fulfilled them one after another. Descriptions like “he fulfilled this and that prophecy” occur all over the New Testament.
In Matthew 1:21, the angel tells Joseph: “She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” We can discuss what “his people” meant here, but for the original audience there was no question. It’s the Jewish people. The prophecy about the new covenant in Jeremiah 31:31 describes “a new covenant with the people of Israel and the people of Judah.” We can also see that Jesus himself said to the Samaritan woman at the well that “salvation is from the Jews.”
God has opened up this salvation to be available for all people, which is an amazing grace. Paul said that the gospel brings salvation “first to the Jew, then to the Gentile” in Romans 1:16, which is in line with the prophecy of Isaiah, that the Messiah will be “a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” (Isaiah 49:6). Moses said “Rejoice you nations, with his people.” (Deut 32:43).
Replacement theologians want to change the last mentioned verse to be “Rejoice you nations, instead of his people.” Even though Marcionism disappeared, the replacement theology still managed to get a foothold in the historic church, and similar false doctrines are still prevalent. It’s not limited to the idea that God replaced his people – some replacement theologians even create an unnecessary separation which doesn’t exist between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament. How often have you heard a preacher make a difference between the “God of vengeance” in the Old Testament and the “God of love” in the New Testament? “An eye for an eye” in the Old Testament vrs “Love thy neighbor” in the New Testament. Maybe they didn’t notice that both of those verses are from the Torah… Exodus 21:24 and Leviticus 19:18.
The only way to teach in that manner is to read the Bible in an extremely selective way. You need to disregard the many expressions for love and compassion in the Old Testament, and ignore the many warnings in the New Testament about the Last Days, and vengeance against sinners. Most of those who teach in this way are probably doing it out of good will, and not because of antisemitism, but it’s the exact type of teaching which has been used by anti-Semites throughout the centuries.
However, the Jews are not without fault either. There are Rabbis who also wish to see a total separation between Christianity and Judaism. They claim that Christianity has its roots in Greek Gnosticism, and that some Judaism was added later to give the new religion an ancient legitimacy. It gives them an excuse to look at Christianity as a type of idol worship, illegitimate us Messianic Jews, and work against us. It’s of course a direct result of how the church has treated them throughout the centuries.
So the attempts to this artificial separation comes from both sides – anti-Jewish Christians and anti-Christian Jews. But no matter how much they want, and no matter how much the historic churches have “grown apart” from the synagogue culturally, it’s still not biblically possible to make a case for this separation – and that’s what we at the Bible Society try to show in the material that we produce.
Faith in Jesus is Jewish. Christianity is faith in the God of Israel. God is the same in the Old and New Testament. The prophecies of the Old Testament are fulfilled in the New Testament. Salvation comes from the Jews. The New Testament is a Jewish book. We ask people to disregard what the church has done throughout the centuries, disregard what replacement theologians say, and instead read the New Testament with Jewish eyes, without biases and preconditions. When they do that, they see what a Jewish book it is. We know a number of Jews who came to faith in Jesus in that way.
I would encourage all Christians to read the Bible in the same way. Paul wrote in Romans 11 that Gentile Christians are grafted in, but the root is Jewish. That’s how God created it, and that’s the way he wants it, no matter our opinion.
“If the root is holy, so are the branches” (Romans 11:16)

Shalom

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[Garee]

The inward born again Jew of the Christian faith (Christ not of us)The "Let there be" powerful faith of Christ

Romans 2:28-29;For he is not a (born again)Jew, which is one outwardly; (DNA) neither is that circumcision, which is outward (DNA)in the flesh ;But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;(DNA) whose praise is not of men,(DNA) but of God.

 

[David Koberstein]

Please see my latest sharing : )

Really? Israel is being replaced by the Church. This is heresy.
Shalom

 

[Dylan569]

Really? Israel is being replaced by the Church. This is heresy.
Shalom

The church continues the true Israel, not replaces it!

But far be it from me to glory except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God. (Gal 6:14-16 RSV)

The true Israel are those who “glory…in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ”, elect Jew and elect Gentile together.

If you follow this rule, you will belong to God's true people. God will treat you with undeserved kindness and will bless you with peace. (Gal 6:16 CEV)

Joseph Benson, Methodist
“The source of that peace, and of every blessing enjoyed by fallen and sinful man, temporal or spiritual; and upon the Israel of God — That is, the church of God, which consists of those, and only those, of every nation and kindred, tongue and people, who walk by this rule.”

Albert Barnes, Presbyterian
“And upon the Israel of God - The true church of God; all who are his true worshippers; see the note at Rom_2:28-29; Rom_9:6, note.”

John Gill, Baptist
“and upon the Israel of God; which is a further description of the persons, for whom he prays for these blessings; and is not to be understood by way of distinction from them, but as an amplification of their character; and as pointing out the Israel, by way of emphasis, the Israel, or Israelites indeed, the spiritual Israel, as distinct from Israel according to the flesh; see 1Co_10:18. The "Israel of God", or as the Arabic version reads it, "Israel the propriety of God"; which he has a right unto, and a claim upon; who are chosen by him, Israel his elect; who are redeemed by him, out of every kindred, tongue, people, and nation; who are called by his grace, and are styled Israel his called; who are justified in his Son, and by his righteousness;”

Paul Kretzmann, Lutheran
“Crucified to the world, but alive to Christ and in Christ, that is the condition of the believers that have become new creatures by the regenerative power of the Holy Spirit. And therefore Paul, in a calm, but triumphant statement, calls out: And as many as shall walk according to this rule: peace upon them and mercy, yea, upon the Israel of God. All believers accept the principle formulated by Paul in v. 15. it is the standard according to which they regulate their lives. And upon all such, as upon the true Israel of God, the apostle invokes peace and mercy.”

“Circumcision is nothing; uncircumcision is nothing; the only thing that counts is new creation! All who take this principle for their guide, peace and mercy be upon them, the Israel of God!” (Gal 6:15-16, Revised English Bible)

 

[Dylan569]

But if some of the branches(Physical Jews) were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot(Elect Gentiles), were grafted in their place to share the richness/rich root (Jesus the Christ) of the olive tree(God's people), do not boast over the branches(Physical Jews). If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root(Christ), but the root(Christ) that supports you. You will say, “Branches(Physical Jews) were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. For if God did not spare the natural branches(Physical Jews), neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. And even the others(Physical Jews), if they do not persist in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree(Gentiles), and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree(God's people), how much more will these natural branches(Elect Jews) be grafted back into their own olive tree(God's people). Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel(Physical Jews), until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel(elect Jews & elect Gentiles) will be saved; as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” (Rom 11:17-27 RSV)

Keep in mind, the same exact word can be used in the very same verse with two different meanings - "But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." (Matt 8:22, KJV)

But it is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his descendants; but “Through Isaac shall your descendants be named.” (Rom 9:6-7 RSV)

For he is not a real Jew who is one outwardly, nor is true circumcision something external and physical. He is a Jew who is one inwardly, and real circumcision is a matter of the heart, spiritual and not literal. His praise is not from men but from God. (Rom 2:28-29 RSV)

But far be it from me to glory except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God. (Gal 6:14-16 RSV)

 

[Garee]

The church continues the true Israel, not replaces it!

But far be it from me to glory except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God. (Gal 6:14-16 RSV)

The true Israel are those who “glory…in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ”, elect Jew and elect Gentile together.

If you follow this rule, you will belong to God's true people. God will treat you with undeserved kindness and will bless you with peace. (Gal 6:16 CEV)

Joseph Benson, Methodist
“The source of that peace, and of every blessing enjoyed by fallen and sinful man, temporal or spiritual; and upon the Israel of God — That is, the church of God, which consists of those, and only those, of every nation and kindred, tongue and people, who walk by this rule.”

Albert Barnes, Presbyterian
“And upon the Israel of God - The true church of God; all who are his true worshippers; see the note at Rom_2:28-29; Rom_9:6, note.”

John Gill, Baptist
“and upon the Israel of God; which is a further description of the persons, for whom he prays for these blessings; and is not to be understood by way of distinction from them, but as an amplification of their character; and as pointing out the Israel, by way of emphasis, the Israel, or Israelites indeed, the spiritual Israel, as distinct from Israel according to the flesh; see 1Co_10:18. The "Israel of God", or as the Arabic version reads it, "Israel the propriety of God"; which he has a right unto, and a claim upon; who are chosen by him, Israel his elect; who are redeemed by him, out of every kindred, tongue, people, and nation; who are called by his grace, and are styled Israel his called; who are justified in his Son, and by his righteousness;”

Paul Kretzmann, Lutheran
“Crucified to the world, but alive to Christ and in Christ, that is the condition of the believers that have become new creatures by the regenerative power of the Holy Spirit. And therefore Paul, in a calm, but triumphant statement, calls out: And as many as shall walk according to this rule: peace upon them and mercy, yea, upon the Israel of God. All believers accept the principle formulated by Paul in v. 15. it is the standard according to which they regulate their lives. And upon all such, as upon the true Israel of God, the apostle invokes peace and mercy.”

“Circumcision is nothing; uncircumcision is nothing; the only thing that counts is new creation! All who take this principle for their guide, peace and mercy be upon them, the Israel of God!” (Gal 6:15-16, Revised English Bible)

Yes, Christ signified as the bloody husband in a parable because of circumcision .It is a ceremonial shadow of the eternal unseen things of God a sign to the unbelieving world.

Believers have prophecy the hidden understanding hid in parables. The spiritual understanding hid from Satan the god of this fallen world.

When the 70 ft high vail used to represent the circumcision of our bloody husband was torn from the top to the bottom there was no dying Jewish man as King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies.

Satan could no longer deceive all the nations of the world that God is dying Jewish man as king of kings he fell as recorded in Revelation 20 :3 he will be released at the end of time for a short while to again try and deceive the whole world God is a dying Jewish man as King of kings

Revelation 20: 4And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[Dylan569]

Yes, Christ signified as the bloody husband in a parable because of circumcision .It is a ceremonial shadow of the eternal unseen things of God a sign to the unbelieving world.

Believers have prophecy the hidden understanding hid in parables. The spiritual understanding hid from Satan the god of this fallen world.

When the 70 ft high vail used to represent the circumcision of our bloody husband was torn from the top to the bottom there was no dying Jewish man as King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies.

Satan could no longer deceive all the nations of the world that God is dying Jewish man as king of kings he fell as recorded in Revelation 20 :3 he will be released at the end of time for a short while to again try and deceive the whole world God is a dying Jewish man as King of kings

Revelation 20: 4And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Your first sentence, I do not follow you: "Yes, Christ signified as the bloody husband in a parable because of circumcision". Can you give me the passage you are basing this on? I find you see parables all over the place, but I never see how you conclude such a passage is meant to be a parable. Forgive me Garee, I seldom can follow your line of thought.

You remind me of a couple of Asian friends, who when talking to me will speak part of a sentence or thought, but leave a major part out that is in their mind, but not expressed verbally. I'm not a mind-reader and continually find myself asking them, "What are you talking about?".