God WINS ( Will there be more people in heaven than hell? )

[Jesus_is_LORD]

We know the road is board and many will go to hell. But what are your thoughts on this below?

Asking a question, not making a statement with sharing the post below.


How Many People Will Be in Heaven?
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When we get to heaven how many people will be there? What percentage of earth’s population will be in heaven? The answer is there will be more people—probably far more people—in heaven than in hell. And one of the reasons is this that everyone in the history of the world who has died between the moment of conception and the age of accountability will be there.
John MacArthur said, “From the first days of history to the present, it is not at all an exaggeration to speculate that half of all persons ever conceived died prior to reaching maturity.”
Missiologist Don Richardson wrote of a group of scientists who issued a report saying that from the beginning of recorded history, some 66 percent of everyone conceived in the womb has not survived to see a fifth year of life. In his book, Secrets of the Koran, Richardson wrote:

This means that two-thirds of mankind have died either in the womb through miscarriage, stillbirth, or abortion, or in childhood via disease, crime, war, accidents or natural disasters. Thus a large majority of all the people God has created in His likeness form the beginning of humankind are redeemed by this automatic childhood coverage aspect of redemption.

And then, Don Richardson went on to make this surprising statement:

Take medical science’s 66 percent estimate on infant mortality through the ages as a mere base number. Add hundreds of millions who, through the ages, lost their redemption by sinning as they came out of childhood but found it again by responding to the revelation from God. Estimates of the combined total point to perhaps 77 percent of mankind redeemed. God wins not only the moral victory but the quantitative one as well.

PS – This is from my sermon, “What Happens to Children Who Die?” To read the entire message, click here and go to the “Sermons” tab.

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[Christina2000]

We know the road is board and many will go to hell. But what are your thoughts on this below?

Asking a question, not making a statement with sharing the post below.


How Many People Will Be in Heaven?
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When we get to heaven how many people will be there? What percentage of earth’s population will be in heaven? The answer is there will be more people—probably far more people—in heaven than in hell. And one of the reasons is this that everyone in the history of the world who has died between the moment of conception and the age of accountability will be there.
John MacArthur said, “From the first days of history to the present, it is not at all an exaggeration to speculate that half of all persons ever conceived died prior to reaching maturity.”
Missiologist Don Richardson wrote of a group of scientists who issued a report saying that from the beginning of recorded history, some 66 percent of everyone conceived in the womb has not survived to see a fifth year of life. In his book, Secrets of the Koran, Richardson wrote:

And then, Don Richardson went on to make this surprising statement:


PS – This is from my sermon, “What Happens to Children Who Die?” To read the entire message, click here and go to the “Sermons” tab.

( source: How Many People Will Be in Heaven? )

Hi,
Interesting question. We cannot know though. Broad is the way to hell, narrow the way to heaven - so I understand it.
It is our job as Christians to keep faith and obedience to Jesus and bring as many as we can with us. Not easy but nothing else matters so much.

 

[B-A-C]

In my personal understanding. God doesn't "win" because He has a lot of numbers. He wins because His children are pure and Holy whether they are the majority or not.

One of the problems I have with all babies go to heaven is this verse.

1Cor 7:14; For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

It seems that unless at least one of the parents is saved, the infant is not covered. It doesn't matter if that they've reached the age of accountability or not.

In fact the theme I see in the Bible, is unbelieving children are cursed if the parents don't believe.

Exod 20:5; "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,
Exod 34:7; who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations."
Numb 14:18; 'The LORD is slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generations.'
Deut 5:9; 'You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

That's not to say these people can't be saved and break this chain. It's only to say not everyone is born "saved".
This opens a can of worms, are babies "born again" spiritually? If all babies are born saved, do some get "un-saved" after they reach the age of accountability ( I see nothing to support this in the Bible ), and if they get unsaved, are their names
erased from the book of life at some point?

 

[Samson2020]

Honestly no one that has not been born from above enters the kingdom as it is strictly a spiritual place of residence.

The statements that both of you use is that "Broad is the way that leads to hell" The quote actually says that "broad is the way that leads to destruction."
The flesh is the thing that is destroyed, not the spirit, because when a man dies the spirit returns to God who gave it. Ecc 12:7

Now Jesus must reign until ALL enemies have been put under His feet, with the last enemy to be destroyed being death. Death is a decree from God that was a result of original
sin via Adam. It was decreed in advance of the sin, God knowing what should happen Romans 11:32, so that the bringing in of Jesus should occur. He was foreordained before
the world was made to be the lamb of sacrifice thus God knew exactly what would happen, even needed that to occur in order to fulfill His will to bring ALL back to Him through
Jesus.
If you will read and understand Romans 5:18-21 you'll get a much better and bigger picture.

Therefore as by the offense of one (Adam) judgement came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one (Jesus) the free gift came upon all men unto
justification of life.
For as by one mans disobedience many (ALL) were made sinners (exception Jesus), so by the obedience of one (Jesus) many(ALL) shall be made righteous.
Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound; but where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Read that part several times and let it sink deep into your ears.

So what is Paul saying here? That Adam brought death to all mankind but Jesus bought them back with His obedience and sacrifice. God then decreed the second decree that a free gift
came upon ALL men unto justification of life as the price for their sins had been paid. In Both cases these are Gods decrees concerning mankind. In both cases you had nothing to do with
the establishment of either.
No man has escaped the first decree which is death and therefore no man shall escape the second either which is life eternal through Jesus Christ.
The grace of God by the atonement of sins by Jesus Christ outweighs any and all sin therefore all men eventually will enter into life eternal through Jesus Christ. It's only a matter of times.
Thats not a typo.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of TIMES He might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him:

Romans 11:29 For the GIFTS and callings of God are without repentance. The free gift is never withdrawn or this verse would be a lie.
Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them ALL in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon ALL.

When I was a young Christian the Lord spoke to me to go pray for someone I was looking at. I hesitated and asked Him for what shall I pray for this man? He responded and
said "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy you know this" Long story short it was a healing.
My point here is that it is God who shows mercy to a man that leads the man to repentance and Jesus Christ who then baptizes that man into the body of Christ. Without the mercy
no man may come to Jesus as he is still under the first decree of Death/condemnation due to Adams sin. God made a way to have mercy on ALL and that was through the sacrifice
of His Son.
Now back to death being the last enemy.
Death will remain an enemy of the Lord until the very last spirit of man comes into life, then will death have been abolished, it is the only way, otherwise death will have won if
even one single person remains dead.

1 Co 15:22 For as in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive. 23-But EVERY man in his own order.....................
Catch what is being said here. ALL will come into life in Christ but there is an order for each man, God knows the order.

26- The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. It is only through every man coming into that life eternal through Christ that this will happen.

Consider that we are called the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and the Lamb during this first death period. There will be another harvest of men during the second death. I will go no
further as I know this will not be accepted well.
And the reason it is not understood by more, is they have not earned the right to see it. They are still stuck in the self righteousness camp, believing that they somehow
had something to do with their own salvation, and cry aloud "but I accepted Jesus therefore I deserve and the others deserve what they get in hell because they didn't do what I did."
when clearly you are saved by grace, not any work, lest any man should boast. It is Gods doing not yours, so let go of self righteousness and maybe He will show you His truth.

Phl 2:11 ...and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
1 Co 12:3.....and no one can say, that "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit.

So if every tongue will someday acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, they must do so by having the Holy Ghost. Otherwise it is just lip service and I fail to see how that would
glorify God our Father. Death abolished, and ALL having come into life eternal through Jesus.

Again let go of self righteousness as it is a blinder that needs to be removed from all eyes.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

In my personal understanding. God doesn't "win" because He has a lot of numbers. He wins because His children are pure and Holy whether they are the majority or not.

Very good point.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Honestly no one that has not been born from above enters the kingdom as it is strictly a spiritual place of residence.

That is indeed what Jesus said.

 

[Samson2020]

That's not to say these people can't be saved and break this chain. It's only to say not everyone is born "saved".
This opens a can of worms, are babies "born again" spiritually? If all babies are born saved, do some get "un-saved" after they reach the age of accountability ( I see nothing to support this in the Bible ), and if they get unsaved, are their names
erased from the book of life at some point?

Isaiah 48:8 All are considered transgressors from the womb.
As the curse on the mind of Adam passed to all mankind through their fathers they are in possession of a carnal mind even
before coming out of the womb.

Romans 11:32" For God hath concluded them ALL in unbelief that He might have mercy upon ALL." The possession of the carnal mind accomplishes that, as it is at enmity with the Father.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

So God acts based on God's character, yes?

Much is revealed in God's WORD that we don't fully understand.

With that said, based on the character of God, that is revealed in Jesus, the incarnation of God;
The one who loved the little children; Are some saying that, babies will be in hell? Based on
what we know about God's character? Toddlers, infants, and 3 year olds burning in hell?
Forever? Is that the character of God revealed to us in Jesus?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

It was easy for the Pharisee to want to stone the lady caught in adultery, because well, that was what the WORD of God said.
Yet they did not know God Himself or His character. Just curious. Because I think sometimes we can get caught up so
much in what the WORD says, and we miss the point of WHO is speaking those WORDs, the person. The character.

 

[Beetow]

According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all matters
pertaining to the afterlife; the majority of the world's responsible souls haven't
been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

• Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is
the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate
and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

• Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines "many" as consisting of, or amounting to, a large but indefinite
number; while "few" is defined as consisting of, or amounting to, only a small
number; viz: relative to many then, few is the lesser. Bear with me while I flesh
this out.

According to the US Census Bureau: as of Jan 29, 2022 @ 08:10 pm New York
Time, the resident population in the United States was approximately 332,466,534
with a death rate of approximately one every 11 seconds; which translates to an
average of 7,854 American deaths of all ages, races, and genders during just one
24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths were
under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,710 of the current
daily death rate per 24 hours are adults.

Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum percentage to
51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,912 American adults transferring to perdition
every day: which translates to roughly 121 per hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as Christ didn't really specify exact percentages
to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think: by the time CBS
completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones minimum of 61
Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld.

Using the ratio of 2,912 condemned souls per 332,466,534 population: computing
the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently estimated global
population of 7,874,689,356 people, would suggest something like 68,973 new
arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld every 24 hours; which translates to
roughly 2,874 souls every sixty minutes on the clock.

Yankee Stadium's football seating capacity is 54,251. At the rate of 2,874 souls per
hour, those seats would be filled in roughly 18 hours and 52 minutes. In other
words: by 00:52 am New York time tonight the stadium's seats would be maxed if.
the world's daily number of condemned souls started filing into the stadium at
06:00 am New York time this morning.

Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death
certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on those
days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to 12.2%
higher.

The netherworld never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365
nonstop and indifferent to climate change, Ukraine vs Russia, Wall Street crashes,
China vs Taiwan, massive layoffs, outsourcing, high school shootings, terrorism,
tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, storm surges, nuclear meltdowns, air, water,
and soil pollution, a mission to Mars, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened
species, the price of oil, the cancel culture, election fraud, pipelines, student debt,
GMO, trade deficits, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, North Korea's nukes, Federal debt,
factory recalls, overpopulation, desertification, genocides, revolutions, civil wars,
Covid-19, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling, ISIS, LGBT
marriage, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, China's Wuhan Lab, and/or former
US President Donald Trump's second impeachment.

If standard Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is correct;
then it's apparent that souls never stop cascading into the abyss in an endless
procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually
through Tyson chicken-processing plants on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds,
Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy
Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and
wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The slaughtering and the butchering never
stop.
_

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all matters
pertaining to the afterlife; the majority of the world's responsible souls haven't
been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

• Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is
the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate
and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

• Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines "many" as consisting of, or amounting to, a large but indefinite
number; while "few" is defined as consisting of, or amounting to, only a small
number; viz: relative to many then, few is the lesser. Bear with me while I flesh
this out.

According to the US Census Bureau: as of Jan 29, 2022 @ 08:10 pm New York
Time, the resident population in the United States was approximately 332,466,534
with a death rate of approximately one every 11 seconds; which translates to an
average of 7,854 American deaths of all ages, races, and genders during just one
24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths were
under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,710 of the current
daily death rate per 24 hours are adults.

Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum percentage to
51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,912 American adults transferring to perdition
every day: which translates to roughly 121 per hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as Christ didn't really specify exact percentages
to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think: by the time CBS
completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones minimum of 61
Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld.

Using the ratio of 2,912 condemned souls per 332,466,534 population: computing
the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently estimated global
population of 7,874,689,356 people, would suggest something like 68,973 new
arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld every 24 hours; which translates to
roughly 2,874 souls every sixty minutes on the clock.

Yankee Stadium's football seating capacity is 54,251. At the rate of 2,874 souls per
hour, those seats would be filled in roughly 18 hours and 52 minutes. In other
words: by 00:52 am New York time tonight the stadium's seats would be maxed if.
the world's daily number of condemned souls started filing into the stadium at
06:00 am New York time this morning.

Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death
certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on those
days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to 12.2%
higher.

The netherworld never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365
nonstop and indifferent to climate change, Ukraine vs Russia, Wall Street crashes,
China vs Taiwan, massive layoffs, outsourcing, high school shootings, terrorism,
tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, storm surges, nuclear meltdowns, air, water,
and soil pollution, a mission to Mars, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened
species, the price of oil, the cancel culture, election fraud, pipelines, student debt,
GMO, trade deficits, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, North Korea's nukes, Federal debt,
factory recalls, overpopulation, desertification, genocides, revolutions, civil wars,
Covid-19, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling, ISIS, LGBT
marriage, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, China's Wuhan Lab, and/or former
US President Donald Trump's second impeachment.

If standard Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is correct;
then it's apparent that souls never stop cascading into the abyss in an endless
procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually
through Tyson chicken-processing plants on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds,
Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy
Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and
wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The slaughtering and the butchering never
stop.
_

Thanks for sharing the numbers.
Yea, when we really stop and think about it, it is indeed great and sad.
Tragic, so many. Thanks for the contribution to the discussion.