God is in Hell, too.

[Alley Oop]

I do not think so. Hell is where God is absent.

So you "nullify the Word of God for the sake of your tradition" - Mark 7:13
You've been absolutely brainwashed by the demonic nature of catholic doctrine.
"Hel" is the name of a pagan goddess in Norse mythology. Pagans have transposed it in Bibles.

 

[Christina2000]

So you "nullify the Word of God for the sake of your tradition" - Mark 7:13
You've been absolutely brainwashed by the demonic nature of catholic doctrine.
"Hel" is the name of a pagan goddess in Norse mythology. Pagans have transposed it in Bibles.

Hi
I personally believe in heaven and hell as real places. That we go to one or the other, that this we choose on death by the way we live. I read the Bible and understand as best I am able, I take little notice of denominations and endless arguments.
God knows our hearts and accepts our best efforts. We are none of us perfect and yet we will be fine as long as we accept Christ is our Saviour.

 

[B-A-C]

What sinner did He not die for????

According to the doctrine of HELL, He cannot be merciful to ALL even though it was He that concluded ALL in unbelief??
According to the doctrine of HELL, Jesus is not a ransom for ALL.
According to the doctrine of HELL, Jesus did not justify ALL men.
According to the doctrine of HELL, God will not make ALL men ALIVE in Christ! For they will be roasting eternally. And exactly how will this glorify God???

Universalism is a false doctrine of demons.
Jesus died and paid the price for all, yes. But only those who accept Him and obey Him are redeemed/saved.

Matt 7:13; "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Matt 7:14; "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it

Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:26; "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
Luke 13:27; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Rev 20:13; And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[Samson2020]

Universalism is a false doctrine of demons.
Jesus died and paid the price for all, yes. But only those who accept Him and obey Him are redeemed/saved.

Your ACCEPTANCE is a work that YOU do. You received what you have as it was given you, and the gift cannot be returned as it is in you and has sealed you. Your acceptance has nothing
to do with it.
That thought process is self righteousness, "I accepted Jesus" "I deserve" and others do not because they didn't DO what I DID. IT ain't according to works and you know that. It is strictly
according to grace.
It is that self righteousness that blinds your eyes from seeing the greater picture.
Rev 3:14-18 is a great letter to the Laodiceans that applies here, as well as Rev 2:12-17 as it speaks of the reward of the hidden manna. Without that reward you will never know how great a salvation God has provided for ALL.

Romans 5:20-21 Moreover the Law entered that the offense might abound, but where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, SO THAT AS SIN REIGNED IN DEATH,
EVEN SO MIGHT GRACE REIGN THROUGH RIGHTEOUSNESS TO ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD.

Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offense of one judgement came upon ALL MEN to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the FREE GIFT
CAME UPON ALL MEN UNTO JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE."

 

[Samson2020]

MATTHEW 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS; and all these things shall be added unto you."

 

[Alley Oop]

Hi
I personally believe in heaven and hell as real places. That we go to one or the other, that this we choose on death by the way we live. I read the Bible and understand as best I am able, I take little notice of denominations and endless arguments.
God knows our hearts and accepts our best efforts. We are none of us perfect and yet we will be fine as long as we accept Christ is our Saviour.

You'd have to use scripture to back up your thesis.
You think you know what it says, until you actually read it, let alone understand it spiritually.
Jesus says, "Be perfect AS YOU HEAVENLY FATHER IS PERFECT" (Matt 5:48) - which is not taught by the Spooks today in the Death-Cult of Christianity.

 

[Alley Oop]

Universalism is a false doctrine of demons.
Jesus died and paid the price for all, yes. But only those who accept Him and obey Him are redeemed/saved.

Matt 7:13; "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Matt 7:14; "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it

Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:26; "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
Luke 13:27; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Rev 20:13; And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Fun to watch you call the Gospel of Jesus Christ a Doctrine of Devils, while you misinterpret the scriptures you broach. You're another spook of the Outer Darkness.

"Behold I make ALL THINGS NEW" - Rev 21:5

 

[Christina2000]

You'd have to use scripture to back up your thesis.
You think you know what it says, until you actually read it, let alone understand it spiritually.
Jesus says, "Be perfect AS YOU HEAVENLY FATHER IS PERFECT" (Matt 5:48) - which is not taught by the Spooks today in the Death-Cult of Christianity.

No , I really don't think so. I let the Holy Spirit guide me. There is a joy in being childlike and accepting. If you want peace that is. We can never be perfect, so just keep it simple and be humble.

 

[Samson2020]

MATTHEW 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS; and all these things shall be added unto you."

Romans 3:21-But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by FAITH of Jesus Christ
UNTO ALL and upon all them that believe: FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE: For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; BEING JUSTIFIED FREELY BY HIS GRACE
through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, TO DECLARE HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS for the remission of sins
that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS: that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay: but BY THE LAW OF FAITH.

Ye are saved by grace through faith; and that not of yourselves: it(faith) is the gift of God. And who can come to the Son except he that has been drawn by the Father?

 

[Alley Oop]

No , I really don't think so. I let the Holy Spirit guide me. There is a joy in being childlike and accepting. If you want peace that is. We can never be perfect, so just keep it simple and be humble.

Anyone can say the Holy Spirit is guiding them, those types are mediocre spooks who wander aimlessly to the graveyard.

Evidently, you've not attained Realization yet. All decaying mortals (spooks) are locked in the prison of the lower levels of consciousness with you, so at least you're not alone.

You remind me of those with Absalom in 2 Sam 15:11 - And with Absalom went two hundred men out of Jerusalem, that were called; and they went in their simplicity, and they knew not any thing.

Have you chosen a coffin yet? Or, will you be cremated?

 

[Alley Oop]

No , I really don't think so. I let the Holy Spirit guide me. There is a joy in being childlike and accepting. If you want peace that is. We can never be perfect, so just keep it simple and be humble.

You are yet another Antichrist - "Now there are MANY antichrists" - I John 2:18. As an antichrist, you've rejected what Jesus said about perfection, and chosen the way of demons. typical.

 

[Hekuran]

deflecting again.

It's not easy to construe the meaning of a word from a single use. Here's the first part of Jonah's poem:


Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the belly of the fish, saying,

“I called to the Lord out of my distress,
and he answered me;
out of the belly of Sheol I cried,
and you heard my voice.
You cast me into the deep,
into the heart of the seas,
and the flood surrounded me;
all your waves and your billows
passed over me.
Then I said, ‘I am driven away
from your sight;
how shall I look again
upon your holy temple?’
The waters closed in over me;
the deep surrounded me;
weeds were wrapped around my head
at the roots of the mountains.
I went down to the land
whose bars closed upon me forever;
yet you brought up my life from the Pit,
O Lord my God.

From this alone, you might mistakenly conclude that Sheol is the name of the fish that swallowed Jonah.

If you take all the Bible references into account, you can see that Sheol is referring to the place of the dead. Note that Jonah's poem is highly figurative - he did not literally go to the roots of the mountains or to the land whose bars closed on him forever.

If you have an alternative understanding of the word @Alley Oop, it would be good to know what it is.

 

[Alley Oop]

It's not easy to construe the meaning of a word from a single use. Here's the first part of Jonah's poem:


Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the belly of the fish, saying,

“I called to the Lord out of my distress,
and he answered me;
out of the belly of Sheol I cried,
and you heard my voice.
You cast me into the deep,
into the heart of the seas,
and the flood surrounded me;
all your waves and your billows
passed over me.
Then I said, ‘I am driven away
from your sight;
how shall I look again
upon your holy temple?’
The waters closed in over me;
the deep surrounded me;
weeds were wrapped around my head
at the roots of the mountains.
I went down to the land
whose bars closed upon me forever;
yet you brought up my life from the Pit,
O Lord my God.

From this alone, you might mistakenly conclude that Sheol is the name of the fish that swallowed Jonah.

If you take all the Bible references into account, you can see that Sheol is referring to the place of the dead. Note that Jonah's poem is highly figurative - he did not literally go to the roots of the mountains or to the land whose bars closed on him forever.

If you have an alternative understanding of the word @Alley Oop, it would be good to know what it is.

The place of the dead, like the church of Sardis, "Thou livest and ART DEAD" (Rev 3:1).

 

[Hekuran]

The place of the dead, like the church of Sardis, "Thou livest and ART DEAD" (Rev 3:1).

Ok. so we have the same fundamental understanding of the meaning of "Sheol".

 

[Alley Oop]

Ok. so we have the sam

e fundamental understanding of the meaning of "Sheol".

If you can understand that Rev 3:1 is also referring to Sheol = Hades, then yes.
Now, if you're going to be academic and scholarly about it, 'Hades' is/was the greek god of the dead in greek mythology.
Let me ask you, since Hades is the NT equivalent of OT Sheol, what would be the spiritual interpretation of Hades, as used in the NT?

 

[Alley Oop]

MATTHEW 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS; and all these things shall be added unto you."

Right, don't be as Lot's Wife looking back at all those dying in spiritual Sodom = Including Christianity.

 

[Hekuran]

If you can understand that Rev 3:1 is also referring to Sheol = Hades, then yes.
Now, if you're going to be academic and scholarly about it, 'Hades' is/was the greek god of the dead in greek mythology.
Let me ask you, since Hades is the NT equivalent of OT Sheol, what would be the spiritual interpretation of Hades, as used in the NT?

Rather than move the subject on to Hades, I'm curious why you started the thread by equating Sheol with Hell.

 

[Alley Oop]

Rather than move the subject on to Hades, I'm curious why you started the thread by equating Sheol with Hell.

personal choice.
now, why did Jesus refer to the greek god Hades?

 

[Hekuran]

personal choice.
now, why did Jesus refer to the greek god Hades?

An odd and confusing if you don't mind me saying so. I'll leave it to others to continue the conversation about Hades.

 

[Christina2000]

You are yet another Antichrist - "Now there are MANY antichrists" - I John 2:18. As an antichrist, you've rejected what Jesus said about perfection, and chosen the way of demons. typical.

Oh dear, a trifle harsh.
All I know is Jesus Christ is Lord. He knows I do my best. So thanks my mind is at peace.
God bless you. All the best.