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God is in Hell, too.

Alley Oop

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Psalm 139: 8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:

if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there

religion and christians sure have much reconfiguring to do with their 'doctrines'.

hell is 'eternal separation from God'? plfff.
no, hel (hell) is the pagan goddess of death in norse myth
 
Psalm 139: 8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:

if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there

religion and christians sure have much reconfiguring to do with their 'doctrines'.

hell is 'eternal separation from God'? plfff.
no, hel (hell) is the pagan goddess of death in norse myth
Omnipresence of God is evident just as it is evident that His judgement that death by sin as sin drives the sinner away from God and all that is good; to hell. Jesus Christ reigns as Lord everywhere.

Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Every knee in hell are bowing to Jesus Christ as Lord. See how that works?
 
Psalm 139: 8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:

if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there

religion and christians sure have much reconfiguring to do with their 'doctrines'.

hell is 'eternal separation from God'? plfff.
no, hel (hell) is the pagan goddess of death in norse myth
Hello Alley Oop. The Hebrew word translated "hell" in the KJV is "sheol". It is a figurative place - the underworld to which people descend when they die. Some Bibles leave the word untranslated as there isn't a suitable equivalent in English; others translate it as "grave", "depths" or "realm of the dead"

 
Hello Alley Oop. The Hebrew word translated "hell" in the KJV is "sheol". It is a figurative place - the underworld to which people descend when they die. Some Bibles leave the word untranslated as there isn't a suitable equivalent in English; others translate it as "grave", "depths" or "realm of the dead"

yah. i understand the unspiritual interpretations and don't subscribe.
funny that sheol shows up in the belly of the whale too - Jonah 2:1-2
no end to the bottomless pit in the carnal minds of mortals
 
Omnipresence of God is evident just as it is evident that His judgement that death by sin as sin drives the sinner away from God and all that is good; to hell. Jesus Christ reigns as Lord everywhere.

Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Every knee in hell are bowing to Jesus Christ as Lord. See how that works?
i see that you've been brainwashed by Catholic doctrine which originated with Augustine in the 5th century. Thus, you believe that Jesus will make some things new, that he will draw some men unto him - which of course, is a Doctrines of Devils.
That's Entertainment!
 
Psalm 139: 8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:

if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there

Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Again... hell is not simply separation from God. When people are cast in the lake of fire and tormented forever... it will be.. "in the presence of the Lamb".
No separation from God. He will be right there.
 
i see that you've been brainwashed by Catholic doctrine which originated with Augustine in the 5th century. Thus, you believe that Jesus will make some things new, that he will draw some men unto him - which of course, is a Doctrines of Devils.
That's Entertainment!
Since you are not a believer...

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

So instead of spazzing, why don't you use the time and seek God and ask Him these questions since only He can give you ears to hear and eyes to see.
 
Since you are not a believer...

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

So instead of spazzing, why don't you use the time and seek God and ask Him these questions since only He can give you ears to hear and eyes to see.
you're in your nervous defense mechanism of projection as you engage in non sequitur's and ad hominem.
how long have you been a dysfunctional wolf-child in the wide gate to death with all the wolves in sheep's clothing?
 
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Again... hell is not simply separation from God. When people are cast in the lake of fire and tormented forever... it will be.. "in the presence of the Lamb".
No separation from God. He will be right there.
how long have you been in the Lake of Fire?
 
yah. i understand the unspiritual interpretations and don't subscribe.
funny that sheol shows up in the belly of the whale too - Jonah 2:1-2
no end to the bottomless pit in the carnal minds of mortals
It's not a question of interpretation, spiritual or otherwise, it's a matter of the meaning of the word sheol.
 
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will privately bring in damnable heresies............
even denying the Lord that bought them..........................

The literal translation of DAMNABLE HERESIES is HERESIES OF DESTRUCTION

By replacing the translations we get ......false teachers among you,
who will privately bring in heresies of destruction..........even denying the Lord that bought them.

Now what is a heresy of destruction? The modern Church description of HELL!!!!! Why? Because Jesus paid the price for the sin of ALL men. He says that He will draw ALL men to Him
if He be raised up from the earth, and He was. So in the dispensation of TIMES that will eventually happen, ALL MEN will be drawn to Him.

Hell as interpreted by Modern day Christianity is a tool used to scare and control the masses into doing whatever the clergy want them to do. Especially depositing money in the plate.
"They shall make merchandise of you?"

Now if the soul was immortal then maybe it would be possible for it to suffer eternally, but as it is not, then thats out. Secondly, we are told in Romans 5 that GRACE outweighs SIN
in that no matter the quantity of SIN committed, GRACE will abound more in order to cover the price of the SIN. Romans 5:20
Well what does that mean? It means that God has accepted the sacrifice of Jesus as the only SIN offering that will ever be required to bring life to ALL MEN as Jesus is the only offering
worthy of clearing all mankind of their sin.
Adam brought in death, but Jesus brought in Life. The one act of righteousness for ALL mankind by Jesus has JUSTIFIED ALL mankind in the heart and eyes of God. Romans 5:18
And whom He did justify he did also glorify. Thus if He justified ALL through His one act of righteousness, then the glorification of ALL is imminent.

Now nobody truly believes, if you have been called, that your gonna come to Jesus for salvation and the beginning of your sonship race unless God Himself drags you to Jesus.
The fallen man has no way of understanding anything spiritual and thus cannot come to the Son of God on His own, man is just too busy chasing money, flesh, pleasures etc...
He cares nothing at all about salvation much less being a son of God spiritually. But it is to this that they have been appointed until the Father drag them to the Son and then
they will begin to understand why Jesus died for them and what it purchased for them in particular, as well as ALL mankind.

Now that said, we have this false concept of an eternal torment in Hell??? But the truth is according to the Bible that

"as in Adam ALL die, even so IN CHRIST shall ALL BE MADE ALIVE!!" BUT EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER!! Now since God is responsible to bring each man to Jesus He then
determines the order and even the dispensation of the TIMES within which each human is brought to LIFE through FAITH that God gives them in order to believe in what has already
been accomplished for them.

Now what does Hell Do as far as a DAMNABLE HERESY accomplish? It denies the Lord that bought them, in that He bought ALL, but not to send them to eternal torment, but to
resurrect them into a new spiritual life with Himself and our Father for eternity. This is the love of Jesus and the Father for us.
Jesus is the RESURRECTION for ALL MANKIND, just as Adam was death for ALL mankind. God is only working on the first fruits group during this dispensation of time. And will
begin on a new group during the second death which is a REDO of what is seen on the earth today.

In any crop there are fruits that ripen ahead of the general crop and these are called the first fruits and are harvested in advance of the general harvest, then later there will be
those that will ripen afterwards and they are the latter harvest. And all the ripening of the fruits are the work of the Father as well as the timing of each harvest.

How and when God will do ALL of this is up to Him to tell you, not me, for it must be revealed to you by His Spirit or you'd never believe it. And probably do not at this moment, but

"AS IT IS WRITTEN, EYE HATH NOT SEEN, NOR EAR HEARD, NEITHER HAVE ENTERED INTO THE HEART OF MAN, THE THINGS WHICH GOD HATH PREPARED FOR THEM
THAT LOVE HIM." And we love Him for He first loved us!!!! Again showing us that He has to reveal the Son to each person in the order which He had ordained before the world.
A very true verse in that it is only Spiritually that the deep things of God are revealed to whomsoever He will reveal them. Eventually ALL, as it is the Fathers good pleasure to GIVE
us the KINGDOM.

I would pray as Paul that the eyes of your understanding be flooded with light, that
you may KNOW THE HOPE OF HIS CALLING, and what the riches of the glory of His inheritance
in the saints.... As this will reveal the plan!!!!


We already have death through Adam, why in the world would Jesus say that He is the WAY and the LIFE if He was only going to eternally torment those whom He died for,
knowing that the Father has to call each person to Him according to the predetermined timing of God?

So what shall we say about eternal damnation in Hell? It doesn't align with "ALL being justified" according to Romans 5:18 or 1 Co 15:22-23 or Romans 11:32 or Romans 11:36
and the list goes on and on and on.

Hell was invented to control the masses through fear!!! The concept of HELL is NOT THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM FOR IT IS NOT THE GOOD NEWS. Resurrected life through
Christ is the GOOD NEWS AND THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD. In short SONSHIP FOR ALL!!!

I was very near sighted in my spiritual outlook at one time as well, ask the Father to expand your vision of His plan for all. And do not be self righteous in saying "I accepted Jesus
therefore I deserve" as God resists the proud!!
You did nothing but receive what was given you, and then turned on the Lord who bought you to say that others whom He paid for
with His own blood do not deserve what you received. Was it not freely given to you?
After all, it is not of works, nor is it of him who wills, nor him who runs, but of God that shows MERCY. Let the Father be merciful to ALL in His own time. He started it and will
finish it!!!!

Romans 11:32
"For God hath concluded them ALL in UNBELIEF that HE might have MERCY upon ALL."

1 Tim 2:6 "Who gave himself a ransom FOR ALL to be testified in DUE TIME"

Romans 5:8 "But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

What sinner did He not die for????


According to the doctrine of HELL, He cannot be merciful to ALL even though it was He that concluded ALL in unbelief??
According to the doctrine of HELL, Jesus is not a ransom for ALL.
According to the doctrine of HELL, Jesus did not justify ALL men.
According to the doctrine of HELL, God will not make ALL men ALIVE in Christ! For they will be roasting eternally. And exactly how will this glorify God???

 
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will privately bring in damnable heresies............
even denying the Lord that bought them..........................

The literal translation of DAMNABLE HERESIES is HERESIES OF DESTRUCTION

By replacing the translations we get ......false teachers among you,
who will privately bring in heresies of destruction..........even denying the Lord that bought them.

Now what is a heresy of destruction? The modern Church description of HELL!!!!! Why? Because Jesus paid the price for the sin of ALL men. He says that He will draw ALL men to Him
if He be raised up from the earth, and He was. So in the dispensation of TIMES that will eventually happen, ALL MEN will be drawn to Him.

Hell as interpreted by Modern day Christianity is a tool used to scare and control the masses into doing whatever the clergy want them to do. Especially depositing money in the plate.
"They shall make merchandise of you?"

Now if the soul was immortal then maybe it would be possible for it to suffer eternally, but as it is not, then thats out. Secondly, we are told in Romans 5 that GRACE outweighs SIN
in that no matter the quantity of SIN committed, GRACE will abound more in order to cover the price of the SIN. Romans 5:20
Well what does that mean? It means that God has accepted the sacrifice of Jesus as the only SIN offering that will ever be required to bring life to ALL MEN as Jesus is the only offering
worthy of clearing all mankind of their sin.
Adam brought in death, but Jesus brought in Life. The one act of righteousness for ALL mankind by Jesus has JUSTIFIED ALL mankind in the heart and eyes of God. Romans 5:18
And whom He did justify he did also glorify. Thus if He justified ALL through His one act of righteousness, then the glorification of ALL is imminent.

Now nobody truly believes, if you have been called, that your gonna come to Jesus for salvation and the beginning of your sonship race unless God Himself drags you to Jesus.
The fallen man has no way of understanding anything spiritual and thus cannot come to the Son of God on His own, man is just too busy chasing money, flesh, pleasures etc...
He cares nothing at all about salvation much less being a son of God spiritually. But it is to this that they have been appointed until the Father drag them to the Son and then
they will begin to understand why Jesus died for them and what it purchased for them in particular, as well as ALL mankind.

Now that said, we have this false concept of an eternal torment in Hell??? But the truth is according to the Bible that

"as in Adam ALL die, even so IN CHRIST shall ALL BE MADE ALIVE!!" BUT EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER!! Now since God is responsible to bring each man to Jesus He then
determines the order and even the dispensation of the TIMES within which each human is brought to LIFE through FAITH that God gives them in order to believe in what has already
been accomplished for them.

Now what does Hell Do as far as a DAMNABLE HERESY accomplish? It denies the Lord that bought them, in that He bought ALL, but not to send them to eternal torment, but to
resurrect them into a new spiritual life with Himself and our Father for eternity. This is the love of Jesus and the Father for us.
Jesus is the RESURRECTION for ALL MANKIND, just as Adam was death for ALL mankind. God is only working on the first fruits group during this dispensation of time. And will
begin on a new group during the second death which is a REDO of what is seen on the earth today.

In any crop there are fruits that ripen ahead of the general crop and these are called the first fruits and are harvested in advance of the general harvest, then later there will be
those that will ripen afterwards and they are the latter harvest. And all the ripening of the fruits are the work of the Father as well as the timing of each harvest.

How and when God will do ALL of this is up to Him to tell you, not me, for it must be revealed to you by His Spirit or you'd never believe it. And probably do not at this moment, but

"AS IT IS WRITTEN, EYE HATH NOT SEEN, NOR EAR HEARD, NEITHER HAVE ENTERED INTO THE HEART OF MAN, THE THINGS WHICH GOD HATH PREPARED FOR THEM
THAT LOVE HIM." And we love Him for He first loved us!!!! Again showing us that He has to reveal the Son to each person in the order which He had ordained before the world.
A very true verse in that it is only Spiritually that the deep things of God are revealed to whomsoever He will reveal them. Eventually ALL, as it is the Fathers good pleasure to GIVE
us the KINGDOM.

I would pray as Paul that the eyes of your understanding be flooded with light, that
you may KNOW THE HOPE OF HIS CALLING, and what the riches of the glory of His inheritance
in the saints.... As this will reveal the plan!!!!


We already have death through Adam, why in the world would Jesus say that He is the WAY and the LIFE if He was only going to eternally torment those whom He died for,
knowing that the Father has to call each person to Him according to the predetermined timing of God?

So what shall we say about eternal damnation in Hell? It doesn't align with "ALL being justified" according to Romans 5:18 or 1 Co 15:22-23 or Romans 11:32 or Romans 11:36
and the list goes on and on and on.

Hell was invented to control the masses through fear!!! The concept of HELL is NOT THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM FOR IT IS NOT THE GOOD NEWS. Resurrected life through
Christ is the GOOD NEWS AND THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD. In short SONSHIP FOR ALL!!!

I was very near sighted in my spiritual outlook at one time as well, ask the Father to expand your vision of His plan for all. And do not be self righteous in saying "I accepted Jesus
therefore I deserve" as God resists the proud!!
You did nothing but receive what was given you, and then turned on the Lord who bought you to say that others whom He paid for
with His own blood do not deserve what you received. Was it not freely given to you?
After all, it is not of works, nor is it of him who wills, nor him who runs, but of God that shows MERCY. Let the Father be merciful to ALL in His own time. He started it and will
finish it!!!!

Romans 11:32
"For God hath concluded them ALL in UNBELIEF that HE might have MERCY upon ALL."

1 Tim 2:6 "Who gave himself a ransom FOR ALL to be testified in DUE TIME"

Romans 5:8 "But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

What sinner did He not die for????


According to the doctrine of HELL, He cannot be merciful to ALL even though it was He that concluded ALL in unbelief??
According to the doctrine of HELL, Jesus is not a ransom for ALL.
According to the doctrine of HELL, Jesus did not justify ALL men.
According to the doctrine of HELL, God will not make ALL men ALIVE in Christ! For they will be roasting eternally. And exactly how will this glorify God???

nice job.
the creator of the universe is indeed a universalist -
"who works ALL THINGS according to the counsel of HIS OWN WILL" - Eph 1:11
 
Psalm 139: 8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:

if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there

religion and christians sure have much reconfiguring to do with their 'doctrines'.

hell is 'eternal separation from God'? plfff.
no, hel (hell) is the pagan goddess of death in norse myth

I do not think so. Hell is where God is absent.
 
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