God Doesn’t Want Any To Perish

[Christ4Ever]

Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your Kingdom." Luke 23:42 NLT

The young man leaned over the bed, his strong hands surrounding the old man’s frail ones. “Do you believe Jesus died for you, Grandpa? Do you want to trust Him to save you?” The old man nodded his head and gave up his lifelong antagonism toward his Creator. He whispered, “Yes, I do want Jesus to be my Savior.” Once again, God’s mercy pursued a sinner right to death’s door.

A criminal hung contorted and writhing for breath on a Roman cross. Anger and hatred raged in his bursting heart. Until he realized the identity of the man hanging beside him. Was it something Jesus said or the sheer presence of God that convinced him? The thief quieted down, had a complete change of heart, and offered an amazing prayer to the One dying beside him.

Jesus gave the thief his simple request—and more! “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43 NLT). There was no time for probation or restitution for this man, but salvation came immediately. Right then Jesus was paying for his sins. That day Jesus would walk with him in paradise!

Augustine once observed, “There is one case of death-bed repentance recorded, that of the penitent thief, that none should despair; and only one that none should presume.”

Prayer: Immovable God, before it’s too late, please save __________

 

[GodB4Us]

Doesn't matter who you are or what you have done; Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners of whom Paul was chief, seeking to arrest & stone to death more Christians.

1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

So believe in Him today for eternal life and believe in Him to save you from your sins & keep you from your sins daily as you can trust Him to be your Good Shepherd & Friend to help you to follow Him.

1 Timothy 4:9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Samson2020]

"GOD DOESN'T WANT ANY TO PERISH"

Do we suppose that God created everything, including us, in order to fail at His own will for us? After all He saw the end from before the beginning of the world. If failure was part of the end
then why would He even start that plan. Does He not work ALL things after the counsel of His own will? And if so, then how could any perish eternally? Unless of course He decided
our choices should be honored above His plan for us?

 

[GodB4Us]

"GOD DOESN'T WANT ANY TO PERISH"

Do we suppose that God created everything, including us, in order to fail at His own will for us? After all He saw the end from before the beginning of the world. If failure was part of the end
then why would He even start that plan. Does He not work ALL things after the counsel of His own will? And if so, then how could any perish eternally? Unless of course He decided
our choices should be honored above His plan for us?

Not every saved believer look to Jesus Christ in trusting Him as their Good Shepherd to help them to be found abiding in Him in following Him daily for why many will be left behind but that foundation is sure as that seal of adoption is; for why there are vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth, that shall be resurrected after the great tribulation as testifying to the power of God in salvation for all those who believe in Him, even in His name.

So God does not fail, nor lose anyone, but as there is no casting out of that kingdom of heaven, nor out of His hand, there is a casting out of that Marriage Supper within that kingdom of Heaven for why Jesus is warning saved believers to be ready or else. That is why the prodigal son is still son even though he spent his inheritance of being a vessel unto honor in Hsi House on wild living and can never get it back... thus becoming a vessel unto dishonor in His House.

 

[Christ4Ever]

"GOD DOESN'T WANT ANY TO PERISH"

Do we suppose that God created everything, including us, in order to fail at His own will for us? After all He saw the end from before the beginning of the world. If failure was part of the end
then why would He even start that plan. Does He not work ALL things after the counsel of His own will? And if so, then how could any perish eternally? Unless of course He decided
our choices should be honored above His plan for us?

...or that humanity should have the free will to Love Him above self? Therein is the crux of the matter. None are worthy of the gift offered, but as in any gift especially a priceless one worth having, it must be first opened, without which none would know how great His Love is that even those who put Him to death could be redeemed! Next, one must choose to follow Him. Not in such a way that is burdensome, or heavy. Rather that is easy, and light! Yet, knowing our frailty/weaknesses He, even now, doesn't leave us who have chosen the Son Jesus Christ, without help through the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit).

Dear Samson2020. What many fail to remember or seem to forget is that this is a War that we are involved in. Not just against self, but actual adversaries. There are two sides to it, and though we know in Who there is Victory, there is a side that will lose. From the very beginning this was assured, and God foreknew the choices/decisions each of us would/will make in choosing which side of the divide we will find ourselves on in this battle. It still does not negate the need for it to be played out in the annals of time and accounts given upon its conclusion.

I have not taken the usual time in reviewing completely what I've written, due to a shortness of time I have, but I did want to send you something to chew on

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[B-A-C]

He even start that plan. Does He not work ALL things after the counsel of His own will? And if so, then how could any perish eternally? Unless of course He decided
our choices should be honored above His plan for us?

Maybe "our choices" IS His plan. He could force all of us the be robots and control our decisions if He wanted to.
But it seems He wants us to choose Him. He knows some will not, but He wants to see who does and who doesn't.

Say you were a lonely man for a while, with the power to force any woman to love you.
...and yes, they would "love" you for as long as you exercised your power over them. But is that truly love on either one of your parts.
Would she still love you, if you released your power over her? Are you loving her, by forcing your will upon her?
Eventually you would want to know... does she love me? Does she love me on her own accord?
In some ways this isn't a great analogy, because it's a different kind of love to be sure.
But the fact remains... God wants us to choose Him.

Rev 3:20; 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

 

[GodB4Us]

...or that humanity should have the free will to Love Him above self? Therein is the crux of the matter. None are worthy of the gift offered, but as in any gift especially a priceless one worth having, it must be first opened, without which none would know how great His Love is that even those who put Him to death could be redeemed! Next, one must choose to follow Him. Not in such a way that is burdensome, or heavy. Rather that is easy, and light! Yet, knowing our frailty/weaknesses He, even now, doesn't leave us who have chosen the Son Jesus Christ, without help through the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit).

Dear Samson2020. What many fail to remember or seem to forget is that this is a War that we are involved in. Not just against self, but actual adversaries. There are two sides to it, and though we know in Who there is Victory, there is a side that will lose. From the very beginning this was assured, and God foreknew the choices/decisions each of us would/will make in choosing which side of the divide we will find ourselves on in this battle. It still does not negate the need for it to be played out in the annals of time and accounts given upon its conclusion.

I have not taken the usual time in reviewing completely what I've written, due to a shortness of time I have, but I did want to send you something to chew on

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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I agree that there can be no free will before being saved when we needed the Father to draw us unto the Son John 6:44 KJV to reveal His Son to us so we are able to believe in Him to be saved. Matthew 11:25-27 KJV & 1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV

When we consider how He loved us before we could even love Him, where is the boast of free will of man?

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[B-A-C]

Exod 19:5; 'Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine;
Exod 23:22; "But if you truly obey his voice and do all that I say, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries.
Lev 26:14; 'But if you do not obey Me and do not carry out all these commandments,
Lev 26:18; 'If also after these things you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
Lev 26:21; 'If then, you act with hostility against Me and are unwilling to obey Me, I will increase the plague on you seven times according to your sins.
Lev 26:27; 'Yet if in spite of this you do not obey Me, but act with hostility against Me,
Deut 28:1; "Now it shall be, if you diligently obey the LORD your God, being careful to do all His commandments which I command you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth.
Deut 28:2; "All these blessings will come upon you and overtake you if you obey the LORD your God:
Deut 28:15; "But it shall come about, if you do not obey the LORD your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
Deut 30:10; if you obey the LORD your God to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law, if you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and soul.
Deut 30:17; "But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them,
Jdg 3:4; They were for testing Israel, to find out if they would obey the commandments of the LORD, which He had commanded their fathers through Moses.
Isa 1:19; "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
Jer 22:5; "But if you will not obey these words, I swear by Myself," declares the LORD, "that this house will become a desolation."'"

All through the Bible, even in the New Testament, there is this concept of obedience... usually with the word "if". IF you obey, or IF you don't obey....
If is a conditional statement. Obedience implies free-will. If you are a slave to someone, you don't have free-will, that is subservience. Not
obedience, you do what you are told because you have to, you have no choice.
IF on the other hand, you have the ability to do or not to do as you see fit, then now it is a matter of obedience.

 

[B-A-C]

When we consider how He loved us before we could even love Him, where is the boast of free will of man?

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

He loves everyone, but yet not everyone is saved. The love of God is NOT the salvation of God. God loves even sinners.

Rom 5:8; But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Jesus didn't just die for a few. He died for the entire world.

1Jn 2:2; and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

So just because He loves people, doesn't mean they reciprocate that love back to Him.

John 1:12, isn't talking about your will... it's talking about your parents will. Here are some other translations.

John 1:13
(AMPC) Who owe their birth neither to bloods nor to the will of the flesh [that of physical impulse] nor to the will of man [that of a natural father], but to God. [They are born of God!]
(AMPC+) Who owe their birth neither to N1bloods nor to the will of the flesh [that of physical impulse] nor to the will of man [that of a natural father], but to God. [They are born of God!]
(ASV) who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(ESV) who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
(KJV) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(MKJV) who were born, not of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God.
(NAS77) who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(NAS95) who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
(NIrV) To be a child of God has nothing to do with human parents. Children of God are not born because of human choice or because a husband wants them to be born. They are born because of what God does.
(NIV) children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
(NLT) They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.
(TPT) He was not born by the joining of human parents or from natural means, or by a man’s desire, but he was born of God.

 

[Samson2020]

He, even now, doesn't leave us who have chosen the Son Jesus Christ,

But you did not choose Him He chose you, and had mercy on you.

Dear Samson2020. What many fail to remember or seem to forget is that this is a War that we are involved in. Not just against self, but actual adversaries.

A war designed to mature us spiritually. Spiritual adversaries and a carnal mind. Both extremely potent enemies of ours but not Gods for it is by His design they exist.

God foreknew the choices/decisions each of us would/will make in choosing which side of the divide we will find ourselves on in this battle.

You are again giving yourself credit for the mercy you received from Him in claiming it is your choice. You like all the world had no choice as it is up to the Father to ELECT.
We can all be ecstatic about the fact that we have been chosen, but we cannot lay claim to anything other that having been chosen, and to not think more highly of ourselves
than we ought for what we have was given to us.

 

[GodB4Us]

He loves everyone, but yet not everyone is saved. The love of God is NOT the salvation of God. God loves even sinners.

Rom 5:8; But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Jesus didn't just die for a few. He died for the entire world.

1Jn 2:2; and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

So just because He loves people, doesn't mean they reciprocate that love back to Him.

Right, as of that time, they are not seeking Him and He is not drawing them unto the Son to reveal His Son to them so they can believe in Him & be saved.
Is Paul the exception when he was as Saul on the road to Damascus seeking to arrest more Christians in putting them to death? One can discern that Saul believed he was doing God's will in getting rid of false prophets that were drawing Jews away from God to another 'god" which in his eyes was a false god until the Father's will would have Jesus reveal Himself to Saul to let him know he was not serving God at all but persecuting Him.

So Saul had thought he was serving God whom he loved until God the Father saw the necessity to redirect him to following Jesus Christ as the God. Saul had thought he was doing right in seeking to do God's will, but his decision was wrong.

Proverbs 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.

John 1:12, isn't talking about your will... it's talking about your parents will. Here are some other translations.

John 1:13
(AMPC) Who owe their birth neither to bloods nor to the will of the flesh [that of physical impulse] nor to the will of man [that of a natural father], but to God. [They are born of God!]
(AMPC+) Who owe their birth neither to N1bloods nor to the will of the flesh [that of physical impulse] nor to the will of man [that of a natural father], but to God. [They are born of God!]
(ASV) who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(ESV) who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
(KJV) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(MKJV) who were born, not of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God.
(NAS77) who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(NAS95) who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
(NIrV) To be a child of God has nothing to do with human parents. Children of God are not born because of human choice or because a husband wants them to be born. They are born because of what God does.
(NIV) children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
(NLT) They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.
(TPT) He was not born by the joining of human parents or from natural means, or by a man’s desire, but he was born of God.

The term "sons of God" is a term that relates to Israel's ancestral roots. Therefore if you note how we are the sons of God now by those that had received Him that believe even in His name, is how the sons of God are born of God now rather than by blood line nor by the will of the flesh by religious means, Judaism, of those Gentiles converting to Judaism, nor any religious means or effort of man's will power like the so called repenting from all sins before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ. Those versions colored in red as highlighted in your quote obscure and buried the meaning of His words as stated in the KJV and in those other versions not highlighted in color red in your quote.

Since there is no free will, a sinner has to be drawn to the Son by the Father ( John 6:44 KJV ) for the Father to reveal His Son to them so they can believe in Him to be saved, Matthew 11:25-27 KJV then our believing in Him as in our faith in Jesus Christ is a work and gift of the Father. John 3:18-21 KJV If they had preferred their evil deeds rather than believe in Jesus Christ to be saved, the Father would never bother to have drawn them unto the Son to reveal His Son to them so they can believe in Jesus Christ & be saved by God. Those who profess Him and yet are in iniquity are to be considered as the little ones and still to be corrected as brothers still. Matthew 18:10-17 KJV Even after they get excommunicated since when they repent, they are allowed back into fellowship with the assembly of believers and so per verses 10-14 of Matthew 18, the Lord will get those lost sheep, even though excommunicated from the fold that followed His voice but had followed a stranger's voice instead John 10:1-8 KJV as He must bring them because they are His sheep see verse 16 of John 10:14-16 KJV and He will lose none of all the Father has given Him. John 6:37-40 KJV @Samson2020 @Christ4Ever @God's Truth

 

[Samson2020]

1 Co 4:7 For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?

 

[Samson2020]

Since there is no free will, a sinner has to be drawn to the Son by the Father ( John 6:44 KJV ) for the Father to reveal His Son to them so they can believe in Him to be saved, Matthew 11:25-27 KJV then our believing in Him as in our faith in Jesus Christ is a work and gift of the Father.

This part we agree on.

 

[GodB4Us]

This part we agree on.

Mayhap soon He may help you to see that believing in Him and our faith in Him can be seen as the same gift of the Father

 

[Samson2020]

believing in Him and our faith in Him can be seen as the same gift of the Father

Yes , to me that is only too obvious. You underestimate.

 

[Samson2020]

Maybe "our choices" IS His plan.

If that were the case then why condemn all because of one mans disobedience?

But it seems He wants us to choose Him. He knows some will not, but He wants to see who does and who doesn't.

You like Nick want it to be your choice and not His, but plainly we are told he chose us, WE DID NOT CHOOSE HIM. And the only way you could be an ELECT is if He chose you, as we
do not make ourselves the elect.

 

[GodB4Us]

Yes , to me that is only too obvious. You underestimate.

Just acknowledging the Lord that ministers to both of us and neither you nor I can convince any one of the truth in His words.

 

[Samson2020]

If that were the case then why condemn all because of one mans disobedience?

Because that would not satisfy the Lord Jesus Christs' crucifixion for sin, and personal perfection to take place. Thus there would be no need for Jesus if it were up to us. But we all know that God had decided to bring us back to Himself as mature sons (spiritual) through Christ, thus it was not according to our choice as the creation was subjected to vanity, NOT WILLINGLY, (and that includes us) but by reason of Him who subjected the same...............

 

[Samson2020]

"God doesn't want any to perish"

However the Father has fitted vessels to destruction that will be destroyed.

The key is that it is only the vessel, flesh and blood, that will be destroyed and not the spirit within the vessel that came out from God and returns to God when the vessel is dead.

But we have this treasure in EARTHEN VESSELS, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 2 Co 4:7

A born again spirit is the only spirit that will recognize the war, some will pull back, some will, as warriors hardened to the battle, fight to the last breath for their own spiritual maturity,
knowing that if they endure chastening then God dealth with them as sons, and joint heirs of God with Christ. And whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world, this they believe and
daily strive to overcome it knowing that it is but an obstacle placed in their path by the Father to produce a mature son.

But how does one elect oneself in order to see the war for their own spiritual maturity? They don't, as the time for each to engage in the war is predetermined by the Father.
Some in this dispensation, some in another. Lack of vision is the necessity for the eye salve as the vision is of more than just one dispensation of time.

 

[Christ4Ever]

He, even now, doesn't leave us who have chosen the Son Jesus Christ,

But you did not choose Him He chose you, and had mercy on you.

Do you know who those might be? God draws you, but you have the choice to follow Him or not!

Jhn 6:44 NKJV - "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jhn 6:45 NKJV - "It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

Notice that the verse after that speaks of the Father drawing those that come to Jesus, is conditional (see unlined portion). Sadly, not everyone will or does, and the point I was making in what I said. I never will say that we save ourselves, God forbid! Rather, we willingly and at times not so much, submit ourselves to Him.

Dear Samson2020. What many fail to remember or seem to forget is that this is a War that we are involved in. Not just against self, but actual adversaries.

A war designed to mature us spiritually. Spiritual adversaries and a carnal mind. Both extremely potent enemies of ours but not Gods for it is by His design they exist.

My full quote. So, that you can see the complete thought that I was trying to communicate to you. I put it this way, because I can only assume that the point you are trying to make is that our adversaries, are not God's. Is that correct? If so, I guess you can say in order to be an adversary you have to have a chance at winning. I don't see the devil having a chance against God, do you?

Dear Samson2020. What many fail to remember or seem to forget is that this is a War that we are involved in. Not just against self, but actual adversaries. There are two sides to it, and though we know in Who there is Victory, there is a side that will lose. From the very beginning this was assured, and God foreknew the choices/decisions each of us would/will make in choosing which side of the divide we will find ourselves on in this battle. It still does not negate the need for it to be played out in the annals of time and accounts given upon its conclusion.

God foreknew the choices/decisions each of us would/will make in choosing which side of the divide we will find ourselves on in this battle.

You are again giving yourself credit for the mercy you received from Him in claiming it is your choice. You like all the world had no choice as it is up to the Father to ELECT.
We can all be ecstatic about the fact that we have been chosen, but we cannot lay claim to anything other that having been chosen, and to not think more highly of ourselves
than we ought for what we have was given to us.

Question for you. Were you always Saved? A simple yes or no will suffice.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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