Genesis 3:15 'Thy Seed'

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God (Jehovah-Elohim) said to the serpent (Revelation 12:9, 14, 15 & 20:2; also 2 Corinthians 11:3) :-

'And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.'
(Genesis 3:15)

Hello there,

What has struck me today about the verse above, are the words spoken to Satan (the serpent), 'Thy seed'.

Has anyone considered the fact that Satan has a 'seed', or progeny?

My thoughts go to the Lord's words spoken in John 8, which is worth reading as a backdrop to John 8:44.

'Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the father of it.'

I would appreciate your thoughts.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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God (Jehovah-Elohim) said to the serpent (Revelation 12:9, 14, 15 & 20:2; also 2 Corinthians 11:3) :-

'And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.'
(Genesis 3:15)

Hello there,

What has struck me today about the verse above, are the words spoken to Satan (the serpent), 'Thy seed'.

Has anyone considered the fact that Satan has a 'seed', or progeny?

My thoughts go to the Lord's words spoken in John 8, which is worth reading as a backdrop to John 8:44.

'Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the father of it.'

I would appreciate your thoughts.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hello again,

I see in the notes in my Bible margin, that the word 'seed' is singular, this being determined by the context. In relation to 'the seed of the woman', therefore, it refers to Christ Himself, as it does in Acts 3:25 & Galatians 3:16. So if the seed of Satan is also singular, is this referring to the Antichrist?

'And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
.. whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
.... and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
.. with all power and signs and lying wonders,
.... And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
...... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
.. that they should believe a lie:
.... That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
...... but had pleasure in unrighteousness.'
(2 Thess. 2:8-12)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Hello again,

I see in the notes in my Bible margin, that the word 'seed' is singular, this being determined by the context. In relation to 'the seed of the woman', therefore, it refers to Christ Himself, as it does in Acts 3:25 & Galatians 3:16. So if the seed of Satan is also singular, is this referring to the Antichrist?

'And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
.. whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
.... and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
.. with all power and signs and lying wonders,
.... And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
...... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
.. that they should believe a lie:
.... That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
...... but had pleasure in unrighteousness.'
(2 Thess. 2:8-12)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hello again,

In the angelic world progeny is unknown, they do not produce offspring. So the seed of the serpent (Satan) is not his progeny, but must be understood in another way, I believe that 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, describes one 'whose coming is after the working of Satan': and all through the Scriptures we see the line of Isaac through which 'the Seed of the woman' will come (Romans 9:7), being constantly attacked, and God's purposes for them thwarted by Satanic activity by means of men operating under his influence. The coming of the Antichrist is the culmination of all Satan's efforts. There are those today, as in ages past, who are walking according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, which is the spirit working in those who are walking in unbelief.

Thank you for listening to my thoughts on this.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Hello yet again,

Angelic beings 'left their first estate' (Jude 1:6), and took of the daughters of men, and thereby produced offspring (Genesis 6): for which they are now in chains awaiting judgment (1 Peter 3:19-20) ; but that has nothing to do with Genesis 3:15, and the seed of the serpent.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[PloughBoy]

You Already know the topic "thy Seed" in completion.

King James Bible
And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.


"They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's [seed] children, ye would do the works of Abraham."

"Ye are of your [seed] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do."

Isaac is a seed of promise, liken unto a "spiritual seed" that is past down through generations. And Not all who are born of Israel are the [spiritual ]seed, but by the works of GOD that is past down through all nations a meticulous work of GOD.
Jacob have i Love, Esau i hated. It is like a seed . not seeds. [the seed is Jesus] [in Christ]

King James Bible
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. [A people of GOD coming out of all nations]
“The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.27So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’

THESE ARE "ANTHROPOMORPHIC" WORDS Terms.

PS. The True Child of GOD has always been "Wheat" before the Foundation of the WORLD.. I true child of GOD truly has never been a "Goat" The True Child of GOD has always been A child of the KINGDOM. "Chosen before the Foundation of The World" Predestinated. Example: The World is our "incubator" before True Birth. And at the proper time we hatched. But the children of the enemy remains the same. They do not change. they do not become a "new Creature" we are different from the beginning...... Our seed is different , even before conversion......".Layman terms." We always been wheat, and they always will be tares. and it hurts.

New King James Version
For in much wisdom is much grief, And he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

[and our knowledge continues to grow then one day HE will wipe alway our Tears and we will not remember the pains and sorrows of the past.] For now we endurer and comforted by The "Holy Spirit" of GOD

 

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Hello @PloughBoy,

Thank you for responding. It is much appreciated.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Chris,

Grace and Peace be with you in Christ Jesus the Lord

Angelic beings 'left their first estate' (Jude 1:6), and took of the daughters of men, and thereby produced offspring (Genesis 6): for which they are now in chains awaiting judgment (1 Peter 3:19-20) ;

I would be very careful with that .
Many say much what you have written here. Most do so as they repeat what they have heard others say or read what others have written.

While i do not want to derail your thread or invite much 'discussion/debate/argument' over this, I think your whole post is trying to blend a misunderstanding with what you are putting forth with what you wrote here:

Genesis 3:15, and the seed of the serpent.

Regarding your whole thread, about "Thy Seed", and what you are looking at with either singular or plural, if we look for example at what The LORD created, we can see things like trees, which though they might have grown from a singular seed, they have 'in them' everything to produce many [plural] seed.
Regarding Christ Jesus being The Seed you are considering as we read in Genesis, it is and was through the seed, or 'tree' that the Saviour was born.

I think it is important also to remember Eve was a singular woman but in her was much, seed bearing potential. Being also the first woman, and all others have come from her, to say that her seed would be Christ (extreme paraphrase) was to-the-point and while obvious to us, now, to her it was a Word spoken, telling her of, basically, there is to be a family, which would yield fruit after it's kind, being her (and of course her man (Adam) and from her fruit/seed would come One Whom we know to be Christ the Lord.

We also do well to remember that Genesis 3:15 was spoken to the Serpent, not to Eve.

A question that could be asked, is if we see ways in which the LORD was a Saviour to the people throughout the Old Testament and if so, can we align His Salvation with what we read in Genesis 3:15? A bruising of the head and a bruising of the heel? And, of course, enmity.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Born Again 2004]

God (Jehovah-Elohim) said to the serpent (Revelation 12:9, 14, 15 & 20:2; also 2 Corinthians 11:3) :-

'And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.'
(Genesis 3:15)

Hello there,

What has struck me today about the verse above, are the words spoken to Satan (the serpent), 'Thy seed'.

Has anyone considered the fact that Satan has a 'seed', or progeny?

My thoughts go to the Lord's words spoken in John 8, which is worth reading as a backdrop to John 8:44.

'Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the father of it.'

I would appreciate your thoughts.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hmm! , sounds a lot like Biden to me!!

 

[Rhema]

What has struck me today about the verse above, are the words spoken to Satan (the serpent), 'Thy seed'.

Has anyone considered the fact that Satan has a 'seed', or progeny?

Jesus did:

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.​

(John 8:44 KJV)​

Seems rather simple,
Rhema

 

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@PloughBoy,
@Br. Bear.
@Born Again 2004
@Rhema

Thank you for your responses. Interesting. comment, and a spur to further study.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
Our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

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@Br. Bear said:-

complete said:
Angelic beings 'left their first estate' (Jude 1:6), and took of the daughters of men, and thereby produced offspring (Genesis 6): for which they are now in chains awaiting judgment (1 Peter 3:19-20) ;

I would be very careful with that .
Many say much what you have written here. Most do so as they repeat what they have heard others say or read what others have written.

While i do not want to derail your thread or invite much 'discussion/debate/argument' over this, I think your whole post is trying to blend a misunderstanding with what you are putting forth with what you wrote here:

Hello Br. Bear,

I appreciate your comments: I reach the conclusions (above) by what I read in God's word. (Matthew 22:30; Genesis 6; 1 Peter 3:19-20; Jude 1:6): But, you are right, Bro.Bear., I was mistaken in presuming that angels were not able to have progeny. In Matthew 22:30, we are told that, 'they neither marry, nor are given in marriage.' , but it is wrong to read more into this than what is written, which is what I fear that I did.

complete said::-
Genesis 3:15, and the seed of the serpent.

@Br. Bear said:-
Regarding your whole thread, about "Thy Seed", and what you are looking at with either singular or plural, if we look for example at what The LORD created, we can see things like trees, which though they might have grown from a singular seed, they have 'in them' everything to produce many [plural] seed.

* We know this to be a prophetic utterance which God made to the serpent (Satan): and the words 'it' and 'His' in Genesis 3:15 show that it is a singular seed in both cases which is being referred to:- '... And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Br. Bear said:-
Regarding Christ Jesus being The Seed you are considering as we read in Genesis, it is and was through the seed, or 'tree' that the Saviour was born.

I think it is important also to remember Eve was a singular woman but in her was much, seed bearing potential. Being also the first woman, and all others have come from her, to say that her seed would be Christ (extreme paraphrase) was to-the-point and while obvious to us, now, to her it was a Word spoken, telling her of, basically, there is to be a family, which would yield fruit after it's kind, being her (and of course her man (Adam) and from her fruit/seed would come One Whom we know to be Christ the Lord.

We also do well to remember that Genesis 3:15 was spoken to the Serpent, not to Eve.

*Though I understand that that of the creation of God which had seed within itself, had the potential to produce many seeds and not just one. For Eve went on to have sons and daughters, and Mary, the Lord's Mother came from her, as do all living. But, as you pointed out, these words in Genesis 3:15, were addressed to the Serpent and not to Eve. She may not have realised the import of what was being said, but Satan would have understood the threat to himself being revealed.

Bro. Bear said:-
A question that could be asked, is, if we see ways in which the LORD was a Saviour to the people throughout the Old Testament and if so, can we align His Salvation with what we read in Genesis 3:15?
A bruising of the head and a bruising of the heel? And, of course, enmity.

* Yes, we do see the enmity of Satan revealed in the Old Testament: attempts were made time and again to destroy the means whereby the seed would come: in the death of Abel we see God's provision of Seth., as his substitute to take the seed forward. Then the action of the fallen angels, and the subsequent judgement of the flood, which threatened mankind, and the one man who found favour in God's eyes, for whom an ark was provided to take him and his family away from the flood waters of judgment, to dry land, where the line continued through Shem. So it goes on: and during the time of the Kings the seed was dependant on the rescue of one young prince. For Satan then knew that it was through Isaac (the child of promise) that Abraham's seed would be called.

* The Messiah came and destroyed the work of Satan, in destroying the power of death at his first advent, over all who would place their trust in Him. ' In Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.' ((1 Corinthians 15:22).

Thank you Br. Bear, for the thought process you engendered.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Waggles]

Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman.
23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise.
24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.
25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
27 For it is written, “Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear; break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labour! For the children of the desolate one will be more than those of the one who has a husband.”
28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
29 But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.
30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.”
31 So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

 

[Waggles]

Genesis 3:14 The LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life.
15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”

An unjust man is an abomination to the righteous, but one whose way is straight is an abomination to the wicked. Proverbs 29:27

But [Jesus] turned, and said to Peter, Get behind me, Satan: thou art a stumbling unto me: for thou mindest not the things of God, but the things of men. Matthew 16:23

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly are full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. Matthew 23:27
Serpents, offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of geenna? Mathew 23:33

For their rock is not as our Rock; our enemies are by themselves.
For their vine comes from the vine of Sodom and from the fields of Gomorrah; their grapes are grapes of poison; their clusters are bitter;
their wine is the poison of serpents and the cruel venom of asps. Deuteronomy 32;31-33

 

[Waggles]

This is what the satan himself quoted to Jesus - interesting that he would refer to this
Psalm 91:11 For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways.
12 On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.
but he did not quote this verse !!
13 You will tread on the lion and the adder; the young lion and the serpent you will trample underfoot.

Luke 10:17 Now the seventy returned with joy, saying, Lord, even the demons are subject to us in thy name.
18 And he said to them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven.
19 Lo, I have given you the authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall in any wise hurt you.
20 Nevertheless in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject to you; but rejoice that your names are writ in the heavens.

Luke 9:1 And he called the twelve together, and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure sicknesses.
2 And he sent them forth to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

 

[Rhema]

* We know this to be a prophetic utterance which God made to the serpent (Satan): and the words 'it' and 'His' in Genesis 3:15

Not everything is always as it appears to be.

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: SHE shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for HER heel.​

(Genesis 3:15 Douay Rheims Bible)​

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and enmity I put between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he doth bruise thee—the head, and thou dost bruise him—the heel.'​

(Genesis 3:15 Young's Literal Translation)​

* We know this to be a prophetic utterance which God made to the serpent (Satan): and the words 'it' and 'His' in Genesis 3:15 show that it is a singular seed in both cases

No, unfortunately we don't know this. The word "seed" falls into a category known as a "mass noun". The word may be singular as in "I planted one seed," or plural as in "We planted the south field with seed." This is true in both English and Greek. Of course context may help, but not in this case. I can't, unfortunately, speak with regards to the Hebrew at this point. Is זֶרַע (H2233) a mass noun? One would need to be an expert in Hebrew to draw such a conclusion.

Rhema

Then the action of the fallen angels, and the subsequent judgement of the flood, which threatened mankind,

I'm sure you know that God did this, not Satan.

 

[Waggles]

Hindu yogi Sadhguru: Mysticism and snakes cannot be separated. Wherever there was an exploration or experience of mysticism – in the ancient cultures of Mesopotamia, Crete, Egypt, Cambodia, Vietnam, and of course India –
snakes were always there.
There is no Indian temple without a snake. One aspect of it is symbolism, because in yoga, a coiled-up snake symbolizes kundalini.
But the reason for this symbolic status is because when celestial beings – those who are in consciousness and capability superior to human nature – entered this dimension of existence, they always took the form of a snake.
This finds mention in every mythology on the planet. In India, there are innumerable stories, starting from Shiva being a Naga Bhooshana.

In mythology, there are Naga Lokas in the netherworld – a whole society of not just snakes, but human beings who belong to the snake clan.
They are known as Nagas, and they played a very important role in shaping the consciousness of this nation [India] and many other cultures.

All the Goddesses in the world – the Middle Eastern, North African, Mesopotamian, South Asian, Central European – are always symbolized together with snakes.

 

[Waggles]

Nagas

 

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@Rhema
@Waggles

Thank you both for your input, it is appreciated.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Rhema]

All the Goddesses in the world –

Not Diana.

(Just sayin')

But to get a more realistic picture of the serpent in the garden, think Chinese Dragon - they still have legs.

Rhema

 

[Garee]

God (Jehovah-Elohim) said to the serpent (Revelation 12:9, 14, 15 & 20:2; also 2 Corinthians 11:3) :-

'And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.'
(Genesis 3:15)

Hello there,

What has struck me today about the verse above, are the words spoken to Satan (the serpent), 'Thy seed'.

Has anyone considered the fact that Satan has a 'seed', or progeny?

My thoughts go to the Lord's words spoken in John 8, which is worth reading as a backdrop to John 8:44.

'Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the father of it.'

I would appreciate your thoughts.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

A beautiful picture of the gospel hidden in that parable .

I would offer the seed is the spiritual seed (one) not seen, the eternal Christ is the seed of the woman or bride of Christ. And not seeds of the flesh the multitude . A companion verse in Isiah 53. The seed bruises the heel as the father strikes the Son it crushes the head of the evil one


Geneisis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ


Isaiah 53 :3-11 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.