For His Salvation

[Rhema]

Did God know before he commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of Good and evil, that they would disobey him? Yes or no

No.



(And you know why...)

 

[Leumas]

blah blah blah blah blah blah! What should I answer your questions when you do not answer mine?

Leumas, instead of asking more questions, why don’t you just say plainly what you actually believe about God’s love, His wrath, and who He wants to save? What is your point? Are you trying to say God does not love everyone, or that He only wants certain people saved? Just be direct so we are not guessing at your agenda.

I do believe that in post 17, a plainly stated to you, what I believe about all of you concerning God. I'll even go further and say, what I said in post number 17, I'm applying to the whole Earth. Now I don't think you can get any planer than that, can you?

 

[Leumas]

Leumas, that answer avoids the real issue. You say your agenda is to “bless yourself in the Lord,” but that’s not a clear answer to what I asked. I didn’t ask about your personal mood or phrasing, I asked what you actually believe about God’s love, His wrath, and who He wants to save. So again, be honest, are you saying God only loves some people? That He only wants certain people saved? Because the Bible says plainly, “God our Savior… will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:3–4). If you’re trying to deny that, just say it. But stop dancing around the truth with vague answers.

No it does not avoid the real issue, the only issue with me, in fact the only agenda and desire of my heart and the focus of all my life from the time I get up till the time I go to bed, it's to bless myself in the Holy Ghost. That's it I have nothing else that I want out of my life.

 

[Leumas]

You don’t get to decide who knows the Lord and who doesn’t. That judgment belongs to God alone. The Bible says, “The Lord knoweth them that are his” (2 Timothy 2:19). You claiming that none of us have salvation doesn’t make it true. What matters is whether someone has repented, believed the gospel, and is walking according to God’s Word, not whether they meet your personal standard. You are not the judge, and speaking like you are exposes pride, not discernment. If you really knew the Lord, you’d fear His Word enough not to speak that way about others who confess Jesus Christ as Lord and stand on Scripture. So instead of playing God, you should examine yourself and see whether you’re in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5).

Of all the people on all the Earth at this present point in time, I love the living Lord God Almighty most high and obey him more than anyone else that is living at this present point time. And if you don't like it you need to go take it up with him.

 

[Leumas]

No.



(And you know why...)

I think it's wonderful that you believe what you believe, because I know what it's going to do to you, and it suits me very well.

 

[Rhema]

and it suits me very well.

Couldn't care less about what suits you.

I think it's wonderful that you believe what you believe,

So does God.

 

[Leumas]

Couldn't care less about what suits you.


So does God.

Isn't the joy of the Lord wonderful?

 

[bdavidc]

Seeing how it is written in your law, that God hates all workers of iniquity, why do you keep insisting on that God loves everyone and God wants everyone to be saved?

I do not believe any of you, have the salvation of the Lord. I do not believe any of you even know the Lord.

No it does not avoid the real issue, the only issue with me, in fact the only agenda and desire of my heart and the focus of all my life from the time I get up till the time I go to bed, it's to bless myself in the Holy Ghost. That's it I have nothing else that I want out of my life.

Leumas, what you’re saying reveals a serious problem. You keep focusing on blessing yourself, but that’s not how a true follower of Jesus is supposed to think or live. Jesus said, “If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me” (Luke 9:23). That means putting self aside, not putting self first. God’s Word says love “seeketh not her own” (1 Corinthians 13:5), and we’re told to “look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others” (Philippians 2:4). The Christian life is not about chasing blessings for yourself while ignoring everyone else. That kind of attitude is not from the Spirit of God.

You also brought up the idea that God doesn’t love everyone or want everyone to be saved. But that’s not what the Bible says. Yes, God hates sin and has wrath toward the unrepentant. Psalm 5:5 says He hates all workers of iniquity. But at the same time, God’s Word is crystal clear that He “is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9), and that He “will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:3–4). These are not contradictions. God’s hatred is toward sin and rebellion, but His mercy is offered freely to all who repent and believe. That’s why Christ died for us “while we were yet sinners” (Romans 5:8).

Now let’s be blunt—constantly seeking to bless yourself while showing no concern for others looks a lot more like Satan than Christ. That “I will” attitude is exactly what caused Lucifer to fall: “I will ascend…I will exalt my throne…I will be like the most High” (Isaiah 14:13–14). That mindset is devilish, not godly. James 3:15–16 warns that selfish ambition is “earthly, sensual, devilish.” If someone is obsessed with themselves and shows no fruit of love, humility, or concern for others, they’re not being led by the Spirit of God. That’s a dangerous path. The Bible says plainly, “By their fruits ye shall know them” (Matthew 7:16). So take a hard look at the fruit your words are producing. This isn’t about winning an argument, it’s about walking in truth. Repentance, humility, and genuine love for others are the marks of someone who truly belongs to Jesus.

So, if you really don’t care about anyone but yourself, then what exactly are you trying to get out of this forum? Because this place isn’t about self-promotion or chasing blessings just for you. It’s meant for building up others in the truth of God’s Word, encouraging one another, and pointing people to the truth, which is Jesus Christ. If your mindset is all about yourself, then you're missing the whole point. Jesus didn’t come to be served, but to serve and to give His life for others (Mark 10:45). So ask yourself, are you here to help others know the truth, or just to feed your ego? Because one leads to life, and the other leads to judgment.

Of all the people on all the Earth at this present point in time, I love the living Lord God Almighty most high and obey him more than anyone else that is living at this present point time. And if you don't like it you need to go take it up with him.

Leumas, who exactly said they didn’t like that? You claimed, “if you don't like it you need to go take it up with [God],” but I haven’t seen anyone say they didn’t like it. That sounds like a defensive excuse to avoid correction. No one’s attacking you for loving God; what’s being questioned is your prideful claim that you love and obey Him more than anyone else alive. That’s not humility, that’s self-exaltation. So again, who said they didn’t like that? Or are you just trying to shut down accountability by acting like you’re being persecuted for righteousness, when really, you’re being called out for pride?

So, exactly who is the Lord God Almighty you serve?

 

[Leumas]

Leumas, what you’re saying reveals a serious problem. You keep focusing on blessing yourself, but that’s not how a true follower of Jesus is supposed to think or live. Jesus said, “If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me” (Luke 9:23). That means putting self aside, not putting self first. God’s Word says love “seeketh not her own” (1 Corinthians 13:5), and we’re told to “look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others” (Philippians 2:4). The Christian life is not about chasing blessings for yourself while ignoring everyone else. That kind of attitude is not from the Spirit of God.

You also brought up the idea that God doesn’t love everyone or want everyone to be saved. But that’s not what the Bible says. Yes, God hates sin and has wrath toward the unrepentant. Psalm 5:5 says He hates all workers of iniquity. But at the same time, God’s Word is crystal clear that He “is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9), and that He “will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:3–4). These are not contradictions. God’s hatred is toward sin and rebellion, but His mercy is offered freely to all who repent and believe. That’s why Christ died for us “while we were yet sinners” (Romans 5:8).

Now let’s be blunt—constantly seeking to bless yourself while showing no concern for others looks a lot more like Satan than Christ. That “I will” attitude is exactly what caused Lucifer to fall: “I will ascend…I will exalt my throne…I will be like the most High” (Isaiah 14:13–14). That mindset is devilish, not godly. James 3:15–16 warns that selfish ambition is “earthly, sensual, devilish.” If someone is obsessed with themselves and shows no fruit of love, humility, or concern for others, they’re not being led by the Spirit of God. That’s a dangerous path. The Bible says plainly, “By their fruits ye shall know them” (Matthew 7:16). So take a hard look at the fruit your words are producing. This isn’t about winning an argument, it’s about walking in truth. Repentance, humility, and genuine love for others are the marks of someone who truly belongs to Jesus.

So, if you really don’t care about anyone but yourself, then what exactly are you trying to get out of this forum? Because this place isn’t about self-promotion or chasing blessings just for you. It’s meant for building up others in the truth of God’s Word, encouraging one another, and pointing people to the truth, which is Jesus Christ. If your mindset is all about yourself, then you're missing the whole point. Jesus didn’t come to be served, but to serve and to give His life for others (Mark 10:45). So ask yourself, are you here to help others know the truth, or just to feed your ego? Because one leads to life, and the other leads to judgment.


Leumas, who exactly said they didn’t like that? You claimed, “if you don't like it you need to go take it up with [God],” but I haven’t seen anyone say they didn’t like it. That sounds like a defensive excuse to avoid correction. No one’s attacking you for loving God; what’s being questioned is your prideful claim that you love and obey Him more than anyone else alive. That’s not humility, that’s self-exaltation. So again, who said they didn’t like that? Or are you just trying to shut down accountability by acting like you’re being persecuted for righteousness, when really, you’re being called out for pride?

So, exactly who is the Lord God Almighty you serve?

I don't have a problem with you believing all this malarkey you said to me about me. In fact I think it's wonderful, and I'm not going to stand in your way.

 

[Leumas]

Leumas, what you’re saying reveals a serious problem. You keep focusing on blessing yourself, but that’s not how a true follower of Jesus is supposed to think or live. Jesus said, “If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me” (Luke 9:23). That means putting self aside, not putting self first. God’s Word says love “seeketh not her own” (1 Corinthians 13:5), and we’re told to “look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others” (Philippians 2:4). The Christian life is not about chasing blessings for yourself while ignoring everyone else. That kind of attitude is not from the Spirit of God.

You also brought up the idea that God doesn’t love everyone or want everyone to be saved. But that’s not what the Bible says. Yes, God hates sin and has wrath toward the unrepentant. Psalm 5:5 says He hates all workers of iniquity. But at the same time, God’s Word is crystal clear that He “is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9), and that He “will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:3–4). These are not contradictions. God’s hatred is toward sin and rebellion, but His mercy is offered freely to all who repent and believe. That’s why Christ died for us “while we were yet sinners” (Romans 5:8).

Now let’s be blunt—constantly seeking to bless yourself while showing no concern for others looks a lot more like Satan than Christ. That “I will” attitude is exactly what caused Lucifer to fall: “I will ascend…I will exalt my throne…I will be like the most High” (Isaiah 14:13–14). That mindset is devilish, not godly. James 3:15–16 warns that selfish ambition is “earthly, sensual, devilish.” If someone is obsessed with themselves and shows no fruit of love, humility, or concern for others, they’re not being led by the Spirit of God. That’s a dangerous path. The Bible says plainly, “By their fruits ye shall know them” (Matthew 7:16). So take a hard look at the fruit your words are producing. This isn’t about winning an argument, it’s about walking in truth. Repentance, humility, and genuine love for others are the marks of someone who truly belongs to Jesus.

So, if you really don’t care about anyone but yourself, then what exactly are you trying to get out of this forum? Because this place isn’t about self-promotion or chasing blessings just for you. It’s meant for building up others in the truth of God’s Word, encouraging one another, and pointing people to the truth, which is Jesus Christ. If your mindset is all about yourself, then you're missing the whole point. Jesus didn’t come to be served, but to serve and to give His life for others (Mark 10:45). So ask yourself, are you here to help others know the truth, or just to feed your ego? Because one leads to life, and the other leads to judgment.


Leumas, who exactly said they didn’t like that? You claimed, “if you don't like it you need to go take it up with [God],” but I haven’t seen anyone say they didn’t like it. That sounds like a defensive excuse to avoid correction. No one’s attacking you for loving God; what’s being questioned is your prideful claim that you love and obey Him more than anyone else alive. That’s not humility, that’s self-exaltation. So again, who said they didn’t like that? Or are you just trying to shut down accountability by acting like you’re being persecuted for righteousness, when really, you’re being called out for pride?

So, exactly who is the Lord God Almighty you serve?

Here I'll be even more blunt than I was before and maybe you will understand it.

I'm going to make a statement to you and if any part of it you don't understand pick out the part you don't understand and I'll explain it to you.

I believe on all the Earth at this present point in time, that no one, not no man, woman, or child, except I, knows the Lord and is born of God.

 

[Leumas]

Now if there's any part of that you don't understand just pick out that part and I'll explain it to you.

 

[Rhema]

You keep focusing on blessing yourself, but that’s not how a true follower of Jesus is supposed to think or live.

So God is wrong?

And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested.​

- 1 Chronicles 4:10 KJV

Ya can't bless others if you don't get blessed yourself.

You keep focusing on blessing yourself, but that’s not how a true follower of Jesus is supposed to think or live.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.​

- Matthew 7:3-5 KJV

Isn't it a blessing when God helps you remove the beam out of your own eye? I like it when I'm blessed that way. I'd ask for that blessing all day long.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Jesus said, “If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me” (Luke 9:23). That means putting self aside, not putting self first.

So ask yourself what a "cross" meant to the common Jew. It meant crucifixion for the crime of rebellion against the Roman Empire. I know you won't dig down into the details enough, but a more accurate translation is "take away his cross daily and follow me." The WAY of Jesus was not insurrection against Rome. The Jews had to deny their internal hatred for Romans that fostered militant rebellion. (And follow Jesus.)

God’s Word says love “seeketh not her own” (1 Corinthians 13:5), and we’re told to “look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others” (Philippians 2:4).

Well Paul's word says that. But Jesus does say:

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;​

- Matthew 5:44 KJV

It always puzzles me that most all Christians swivel their necks to focus on Paul's words and ignore the Teachings of Jesus.

 

[Rhema]

I'm going to make a statement to you and if any part of it you don't understand pick out the part you don't understand and I'll explain it to you.

I believe on all the Earth at this present point in time, that no one, not no man, woman, or child, except I, knows the Lord and is born of God.

Except me.

 

[Garee]

Please explain to me how this in conjunction with everything you have said, answers my question?

Your question. . When does the love of God, become the wrath of God?

When his Love become the instrument of death and life according to the letter of the law. . . what the eyes see (sola scriptura)

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

His living abiding word.it does not return void of purpose.

What do you think the letter represents as a loving law

What is the letter

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

[Leumas]

Your question. . When does the love of God, become the wrath of God?

When his Love become the instrument of death and life according to the letter of the law. . . what the eyes see (sola scriptura)

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

His living abiding word.it does not return void of purpose.

What do you think the letter represents as a loving law

What is the letter

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

I will have to give you E for effort,
but your theology is incorrect.

 

[Garee]

I will have to give you E for effort,
but your theology is incorrect.

Thanks

How might I improve my theology?

 

[Leumas]

Thanks

How might I improve my theology?

Remove all errors from it.

 

[Garee]

Remove all errors from it.

Ok brother where should I start?

What's the first and foremost error.? .

Is it not trusting your theology as a private interpretation of what you think God is teaching.??? I think all of mankind has one called a heresy or opinion The same word for sect or denomination or a family. In that way there must be division amongst those born again .

I would think you cannot correct others to remove all errors if you cannot mention one.

2 Peter 1:19-21;We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.;For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

[bdavidc]

Here I'll be even more blunt than I was before and maybe you will understand it.

I'm going to make a statement to you and if any part of it you don't understand pick out the part you don't understand and I'll explain it to you.

I believe on all the Earth at this present point in time, that no one, not no man, woman, or child, except I, knows the Lord and is born of God.

Oh, I understand. That kind of statement is exactly why Satan was cast out of heaven. He exalted himself above everyone else and said in his heart, “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the most High” (Isaiah 14:14). You’re doing the same thing, claiming you're the only one on earth who knows God, putting yourself above every believer, every child of God, and the entire body of Christ.

That’s not spiritual insight, that’s pride straight from the pit of hell. You’re not walking with God, you’re walking in the footsteps of Lucifer. The Bible says, “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall” (Proverbs 16:18).

If you keep worshipping that image of yourself instead of humbling yourself before the real God of Scripture, I feel sorry for the outcome. You’re not standing in truth, you’re standing in arrogance, and that always ends in judgment. Repent, before it’s too late.

Jesus said, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar, and the father of it." (John 8:44) That’s what happens when pride replaces truth.

Jesus wasn’t speaking to atheists or pagans. He said this to religious people who claimed to know God but rejected the truth. It's a warning, those who reject God's Word and exalt themselves are not walking with God, they’re following Satan, even if they claim otherwise, or is it your claim that you are Satan or you follow Him?