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"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith" (2 Corinthians 13:5a), First of all, we must remind ourselves that "without faith it is impossible to please him" (Hebrews 11:6a). Moreover, and this is all-important, true faith must be based solely upon scriptural FACTS, for "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Romans 10:17). Unless our faith is established upon facts, it is no more than conjecture, superstition, speculation, or presumption.
Hebrews 11:1 leaves no question about this: "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Faith standing on the FACTS of the Word of God substantiates and gives evidence of things not seen. And everyone knows that evidence must be founded upon facts. All of us started on this principle when we were born again -- our belief stood directly upon the eternal fact of the redeeming death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This is the faith by which we began, and it is the same faith by which we are to "stand" (1 Corinthians 16:13); and "walk" (2 Corinthians 5:7); and "live" (Galatians 2:20b). "As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him" (Colossians 2:6).
Since true faith is anchored upon scriptural facts, we are certainly not to be influenced by IMPRESSIONS. George Mueller said, "Impressions have neither one thing nor the other to do with faith. Faith has to do with the Word of God. It is not impressions, strong or weak, which will make the difference. We have to do with the Written Word and not ourselves or our impressions."
Then, too, PROBABILITIES are the big temptation when it comes to exercising faith. Too often the attitude is, "It doesn't seem probable that he will ever be saved." "The way things are going, I wonder if the Lord really loves me." But Mueller wrote: "Many people are willing to believe regarding those things that seem probable to them. Faith has nothing to do with probabilities. The province of faith begins where probabilities cease and sight and sense fail. Appearances are not to be taken into account. The question is -- whether God has spoken it in His Word.
Alexander R. Hay adds to this by saying, "Faith must be based upon CERTAINTY. There must be definite knowledge of God's purpose and will. Without that there can be no true faith. For faith is not a force that we exercise or a striving to believe that something shall be, thinking that if we believe hard enough it will come to pass." That may be positive thinking, but certainly not Biblical faith.
Evan Hopkins writes: "Faith needs facts to REST upon. Presumption can take fancy instead of fact. God in His Word reveals to us the facts with which faith has to deal." It is upon this basis that J.B.Stoney can say, "Real faith is always increased by opposition, while false confidence is damaged and discouraged by it." There can be no steadfastness apart from immovable facts. Peter's burden was, "That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 1:7).
Once we begin to reckon (count) on facts, our Father begins to build us up in the faith. From his profoundly simple trust in God, Mueller was able to say that "God delights to increase the faith of His children. We ought, instead of wanting no trials before victory, no exercise for patience, to be willing to take them from God's hand as a means. I say -- and say it deliberately -- trials, obstacles, difficulties, and sometimes defeats, are the very food of faith."
On this same subject, James McConkey wrote: "Faith is DEPENDENCE upon God. And this God-dependence only begins when self-dependence ends. And self-dependence only comes to its end, with some of us, when sorrow, suffering, affliction, broken plans and hopes bring us to that place of self-help-lessness and defeat. And only then do we find that we have learned the lesson of faith; to find our tiny craft of life rushing onward to a blessed victory of life and power and service undreamt of in the days of our fleshly strength and self-reliance."
J.B.Stoney agrees by saying, "It is a great thing to LEARN faith: that is, simple dependence upon God. It will comfort you much to be assured that the Lord is teaching you dependence upon Himself, and it is very remarkable that faith is necessary in EVERYTHING. 'The just shall live by faith,' not only in your circumstances, but in everything. I believe the Lord allows many things to happen on purpose to make us feel our need of Him. The more you find Him in your sorrows or wants, the more you will be attached to Him and drawn away from this place where the sorrows are, to Him in the place where He is." "Set your affection on things above" (Colossians 3:2a).
Actually, we cannot trust anyone further than we know him. So we must not only learn the facts involved, but ever more intimately come to know the One who presents and upholds them! "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" (John 17:3). "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, according as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:2-4).
 
What lie is that Quenton?

Perhaps your comment is defensiveness? If so, again, I apologize for saying my comments in ways that caused you to take it as a personal offense, brother. I hope you might trust that my comments are not directed towards you personally, but rather, the set of beliefs you have chosen to put your faith into.

its what you said I was responding to it
 
What does God require?Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God {QUOTE=Quenton; we're talking about faith .-Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

is much more what i was expecting...don't know why you gave more though....
 
Yes james g we are to be at rest/peace with God/faith in Him. We are to expect that God will do His WILL, that all things happening when we follow Him are His WILL... not that He will give us money. That is the point here.
 
Oh my.

Sad how a simple question turns into a debate about a certain movement.......... WOF??

My God Shall Supply all my needs......." Phil 4:19

That is in the bible, and if you call yourself a Christian, then you better believe that.

What if you don't believe that the money is coming, or need is met??

Ask those that don't believe on the Word concerning Jesus, and what happened to them after they die... once you get that answer, then you will know why no money came in to help..

Jesus Is Lord.
 
That is in the bible, and if you call yourself a Christian, then you better believe that.

What if you don't believe that the money is coming, or need is met??

Ask those that don't believe on the Word concerning Jesus, and what happened to them after they die... once you get that answer, then you will know why no money came in to help.

Why don't you just go to Africa right now, and tell them yourself - while they're alive - that they're going to hell, Brother Mike?

And if that's too far of a trip for you...go down to your local Mission, and while you're serving up a bowl of soup to a homeless person, share that with them. Tell them they're in the position they are because they lack faith. They need more faith. And tell them that if they had more faith, they wouldn't be in need anymore. Perhaps they would even become wealthy. Tell them that, Brother Mike.

I mean...if what you're saying is true, then those who may find themselves in need are going to hell, and don't believe in Jesus, and aren't Christians. Maybe they never were.


Of course, to do that, you also need to believe that those aren't in need...perhaps, especially, those who are actually wealthy...must then have great faith in Jesus Christ, and are strong Christians. Just grab a copy of the Forbes 400...and you've got a list of your strongest faith Christians. Add the Hollywood crew to your list, etc...
 
Needs met

Thank You S.I.E............

I understand your position, and have prayed for healing for those that have died, saw a little boy die that I went to God for more than once.

Here is the thing though.

I have also seen great victories, and letters from Africa that come to our church that describe great prosperity and blessings once people know how to actually believe what God said.

Now, Prosperity does not mean everyone gets a new Lamborghini, but God is not limited either.

As a minister of the Word S.I.E, I can't minister anything else. I can't minister what I see, what others have experienced, or have gone through.

Job 36:11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.

If we obey and serve God, be willing and obedient, Believe his word over our circumstances and stop confessing poverty and lack, but confess what God said, then God is faithful. I have never seen His Word fail anyone that believed, and I am not the judge of what people really believe.

Even in lands that are in severe poverty, God has blessed and prospered people that serve and obey him.. If he did not, then His Word would not be true.

So, instead of change what we believe according to what we notice and see, lets believe the Word over our circumstances and grow to the level we see in the word. We should not come down to the level of man's understanding of things.

If an area of the Word does not seem to be working in our life, it's time to grow, not write a book on how God does not bless everyone.

The Word is final authority, and if we don't measure up, God sent the Holy Spirit to help and teach us so that we can get to that place we read about in the eternal Word of God. Assuming things don't always work as the Word says, is saying we know more than God and can't be taught.

Jesus Is Lord.
 
I sometimes do not understand how people can be so wrong when it comes to God's word. =(
We... are to wait and expect God to do the things He tells us He will... we do not hear that until we follow Jesus... and that does not happen until we humble ourselves as sinners to Jesus, asking for forgiveness and Him to take our lives.
Now I understand we have to expect (have faith) that God will lift us up. That He will love us and care for us. But what does that have to do with money? And if money even mattered to God at all... why did Jesus have the people gather, sell everything they had, and disperse it equally upon each other as needed?
 
Jesus sold all.

Zstrastwa:

why did Jesus have the people gather, sell everything they had, and disperse it equally upon each other as needed?

Mark chapter 10, Jesus told the rich young ruler you lack one thing... go sell all you have and give to the poor.. The young man left and did not hear the rest of what Jesus said..

Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

The whole concept was about a rich man entering into the Kingdom of God. (Not Heaven) but God's system of doing things..
A rich person will rely on his own money and goods and not depend on God, this is what the rich young ruler lacked.. we also see the same issue with King Asa

2Ch 16:2 Then Asa brought out silver and gold out of the treasures of the house of the LORD and of the king's house, and sent to Benhadad king of Syria, that dwelt at Damascus, saying,
2Ch 16:3 There is a league between me and thee, as there was between my father and thy father: behold, I have sent thee silver and gold; go, break thy league with Baasha king of Israel, that he may depart from me.

King Asa got in trouble... at the start he trusted in God not having much to work with.. but when God blessed and prospered Asa, then Asa just used his money to take care of a situation and never asked God about it... This is what money does if you let it.

2Ch 16:8 Were not the Ethiopians and the Lubims a huge host, with very many chariots and horsemen? yet, because thou didst rely on the LORD, he delivered them into thine hand.
2Ch 16:9 For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.

As for the book of Acts... that was done voluntarily and not required to sell all your stuff...
 
Sorry..

did not mean to confuse.... The whole topic was about it being scriptural to believe God for money..

and we need to believe God for everything and count on him for everything... I guess things can get out of hand and deep when we get away from something so simple...

Your blessed!!!

Jesus Is Lord.
 
You didn't confuse me, the scripture does. I do.
I confuse myself, not the scripture. HAHA... not funny that's like blaming God.

God bless brother Mike. =)
 
Brother Mike - with due respect, your words do not stand up to reason.

On the one hand, you say "I can't minister what I see, what others have experienced, or have gone through", yet several times in your post, you back up your belief-system by your having "seen great victories" and "great prosperity and blessings once people know how to actually believe".

So, Brother Mike: which one is it for you? You seem to want to say that you can't, or won't, build your belief system, or minister, based on what you see --- yet you believe your belief system to be confirmed and validated based on the things you see, if and when those things might backup your belief system! Statisticians would call that data mining, and I would say you've married it inside of some sort of circular reasoning pattern...but hey, that's just me talking here.

Ok...moving on, you say you "have never seen His Word fail anyone that believed". Well, again, how do you know? How do you believe it is causal? Belief caused this prosperity that you witnessed? And even if you could somehow know everyone's hearts, and what they truly believe...and then somehow correlate that with increased prosperity --- how would you then explain away those who have strong faith, yet prosperity eludes them? You probably need to explain away millions of people's stories, if not billions, Brother Mike! Also, how would you explain those who have NO FAITH, or are anti-Jesus, who are extremely wealthy individuals? in other words, your data set it, woefully statistically insignificant. But hey, I guess that's why they call it BELIEF. It can live outside of fact.

But more important than all of my ramblings above, is this: you are going to run into a massive problem with Jesus Christ, Brother Mike. I think we'll both have to agree that His kind of faith and obedience was unequaled (and yes, that's an understatement...but hey, it gives us common ground).

So, was there any correlation or association that Jesus experienced from all that, with a positive prosperity / wealth effect? Your God had no place to rest His head, Brother Mike. Your God was a carpenter. He was homeless. He traveled from town to town. Kind of like a modern day gypsy would do. And no, He didn't have a story like Job's...where He got tenfold, in the end, because of it. His reward was crucifixion.

So, if He is our perfect example, and the picture of Holiness that we are supposed to emulate --- WHERE IN HIS EXAMPLE CAN YOU CORRELATE ANYTHING HE DID TO PROSPERITY.

So, Brother Mike, you owe it to those you minister to, to fess up to them --- and tell those around you who are not wealthy or prosperous, that they aren't true Believers, and that they have little or no faith, and that they will go to hell. And you owe it to them to tell them this while they are alive. Because we all know, you can't ask them once they're dead, so that you can further data-mine, to somehow support your heretical belief system.

Zstrastwa: there is nothing to be confused about here. The idea that wealth and prosperity is tied to a lot of faith, is a heresy. Don't believe it. It's a lie.
 
Some of the most wealthy people are atheists.
And then again, some of the poorer people in my area
are the ones tithing what little they have left, praising God
with all the energy they had, and loving others like they would themselves. Isn't there a verse in the Bible that says that it's harder for rich men to enter the kingdom of God? Probably because once someone has everything, they don't have a need to rely on God. They feel that they can take life on by itself from here.
And what happens? They are still rich. I don't have much of a 'faith', maybe I will soon. But I do know that I would not believe in God and then think my life would get that easy afterwards and that I would be rolling in serious dough. I would think God would provide with what I needed not what I wanted.
 
God does not want us rich??

CookieRaider

But I do know that I would not believe in God and then think my life would get that easy afterwards and that I would be rolling in serious dough. I would think God would provide with what I needed not what I wanted.

Blessings CookieRaider!!!

following God, and making Jesus Lord makes our life much easier!!!

Jesus became poor so that we may become rich!! Paul mentioned this right before the giving instructions that our seed may be multiplied in our giving and all grace abound toward us.

John 10:10 Jesus told us he came to give us life, and give it abundantly!!

These blessings where not just "Spiritual" but included everything in our life.

Pro 4:18
But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
Pro 4:19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

On God's path, and plan things get better and better, they get brighter and brighter. Things that were not possible before now become possible. The way of the wicked is hard, things happen and they can't even explain why they happen. Life for them is darkness, and they stumble along life not knowing why they go through the things they do.

Pro 16:7 When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.

When we obey and follow God, even those that hate us or would seek to hurt us are put in peace with us. Following Jesus does not make the devil attack more or get more victory in our life, but unlike the unsaved we have victory over the devil, and all his killing, stealing and destroying. The unsaved are without hope or any protection from the enemy.

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

God has saved me from countless of things, the Holy Spirit bringing to my attention things I needed to understand, and warning from the snare of the enemy. Both my teen kids serve God on their own, and my own son delivered from Cancer miraculously. This is our awesome covenant.

God wants to give us the desire of our heart, The father wants to give good gifts to those that ask him. God is not opposed to making us rich, because the righteous being in control of the money and goods is what He desires.

Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

Job 36:11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.

Looking to people as our source, confessing being broke, and having no faith in what God said about us can keep us poor. To see good days we have to side with God, our mouth should speak only the word even though the situation looks bad. Poor economy, and lack in the land does not effect God at all.

If you will put the Kingdom of Heaven first with your funds and honor God, God will honor you. Money is a sore issue with many Christians because they don't have any. Many get upset when you mention tithing and putting God first with your substance, but if you love God then what you value more is where your heart is going to be..

Nobody that has served God, and lived their life by faith can stay broke.. Scriptures say so...

confessing being poor, never having enough, being selfish with what you do have is a recipe for staying broke... Jesus said all things are possible to them that believe, and we have to believe that God wants to bless us and give glory to himself through us.

Jesus Is Lord.
 
Some of the most wealthy people are atheists.
And then again, some of the poorer people in my area
are the ones tithing what little they have left, praising God
with all the energy they had, and loving others like they would themselves. Isn't there a verse in the Bible that says that it's harder for rich men to enter the kingdom of God? Probably because once someone has everything, they don't have a need to rely on God. They feel that they can take life on by itself from here.
And what happens? They are still rich. I don't have much of a 'faith', maybe I will soon. But I do know that I would not believe in God and then think my life would get that easy afterwards and that I would be rolling in serious dough. I would think God would provide with what I needed not what I wanted.

You have very clear vision for someone who doesn't have much faith.
I have to wonder if "our Great Faith" muddles things a bit.
Someone give this man a cookie.
 
following God, and making Jesus Lord makes our life much easier!!!

hmm...really Brother Mike? Was Jesus's life easier because He followed His Father? Can we say his life was "much easier", as you say? If you believe that, you should be prepared to be dissappointed. That's simply not the story of Jesus' life. It's simply not the fact. So, maybe the question is who are you following, that you call "Jesus"?

Jesus became poor so that we may become rich!!

Assuming you are still talking about material prosperity, you are either completely lost, or devastatingly deceived. So, He was a martyr so that (or, at least in-part, that...) you could live lavishly and be rich?

As I repeat that back to you...you still want to go with that, BM? I hope, for your sake, not.


Both my teen kids serve God on their own, and my own son delivered from Cancer miraculously. This is our awesome covenant.

Again, you want to use your personal observations and what you see, as evidence? (yet, your selectivity allows you to dismiss the other 80% of the world? ..oh yeah, they're all going to hell. But you don't want to tell them that)

Looking to people as our source, confessing being broke, and having no faith in what God said about us can keep us poor. To see good days we have to side with God, our mouth should speak only the word even though the situation looks bad.

Your prescription is denial. Your ministry is to help people re-write their stories, and edit their lives, such that they become detached from their world and their stories. You do not trust that their stories were written by God The Father, through His Son Jesus Christ. So, you minister an untruth.

The FIRST step in AA, in its 12 step process, is to get out of denial. Why? Because, until and unless you do that, you are stopped-out there. You can't move on. No step 2, much less, the remaining 11 steps.

But your ministry causes people to not even know the FIRST STEP.

Brother Mike: you preach a HIGHLY TOXIC message. You need to turn from this, repent, and ask forgiveness to those you have shepherded.


Money is a sore issue with many Christians because they don't have any.

Arrogance is a sign of defensiveness, BM. You can't claim this with any degree of truth or fact. You may choose to believe it because it helps you remain in your belief system with ease.


Nobody that has served God, and lived their life by faith can stay broke.. Scriptures say so...

Yes, I agree with you here, BM. Except you believe this truth manifests itself materially, and I believe folks that do this will be rich in spirit.

confessing being poor, never having enough, being selfish with what you do have is a recipe for staying broke...

Yes - again, I agree, people will stay broke in spirit if and when they do this. But leaning into your pain, your hurts, your frustrations, your STORY is something that should be TRUSTED. If and when you deal with your story, and all the reality of it, is a recipe for finding life, and life abundantly. Living a life of denial of that story, is a recipe for being broke in spirit. I think this is really the crux of what you and I might believe differently on.
 
Prosperity.

God even makes our enemies be a peace with us... It's lots more easy to follow Jesus than to not follow Jesus. Hearing the Holy Spirit and avoiding those things others fall into is priceless and to be treasured.

Jesus had a call on his life, as each one of us do, being part of the body of Christ. If your called to a place like Iraq, then there will be anointing and grace to do that Job, if you have a ministry, or called to be a CEO in the states then you will have the grace and anointing to do those positions.

Assuming you are still talking about material prosperity, you are either completely lost, or devastatingly deceived. So, He was a martyr so that (or, at least in-part, that...) you could live lavishly and be rich?

The word rich means just that. The word of God was sent to this physical world and effects the physical world, finances included. It also connects us to the realm of the Spirit where things must occur first.

By his stripes we are healed.... is physical, and you miss out on great things just saying everything is spiritual and of no use to effect physical matter. Physical matter was created by the Word of God, and the Word has authority in both realms.

Rich can also be used to encompass other things... such as Rich in mercy. (EPH 2:4)



Again, you want to use your personal observations and what you see, as evidence? (yet, your selectivity allows you to dismiss the other 80% of the world? ..oh yeah, they're all going to hell. But you don't want to tell them that)

Evidence is in the Word.... If you will obey and serve God, you shall eat the good of the land..... We have many testimonies from other countries that have had some awesome things materially happen because they received teaching on these lines and learned to believe and obey God. Looking at the poor that don't even believe in God is not a good example.

Brother Mike: you preach a HIGHLY TOXIC message. You need to turn from this, repent, and ask forgiveness to those you have shepherded.

Arrogance is a sign of defensiveness, BM.

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My whole message is that if you put God first, his things first and believe the Word, and not those things going on around you, then God can bring you out of any situation and set you free of any poverty, sickness and mental anguish. Part of Jesus ministry was to the sick, and Jesus gave money to the poor as he had it to give. Jesus is our example, he is head of the Church.

Jesus Is Lord.
 
Give $10 and receive $1000; Give $1000 and receive $100,000 … give one house and receive one hundred houses or a house worth one hundred times as much. Give one airplane and receive one hundred times the value of the airplane. … In short, Mark 10:30 is a very good deal"."If you've got one dollar faith and you ask for a ten-thousand dollar item, it ain't going to work. It won't work. Jesus said, 'According to your [faith],' not according to God's will for you, in His own good time, if it's according to His will, if He can work it into his busy schedule. He said, 'According to your faith, be it unto you'" ."The Bible declares that the work was done 2,000 years ago. God is not going to heal you now -- he healed you 2,000 years ago. All you have to do today is receive your healing by faith".Fred Price may proclaim "we don't allow sickness in our home," but his wife still has cancer. Kenneth Hagin brags that he has not had a headache, the flu, or even "one sick day" in nearly 60 years, but he has had four cardiovascular crises. Paul Crouch may have healed Oral Roberts of chest pains on a TBN Broadcast, but it didn't stop Oral from having a heart attack a few hours later .How are these things explained away? Predictably, by blaming them on the devil. Sickness in the Word-Faith camp is usually seen as satanic attacks that must be repelled by words of faith (i.e., "positive confession").The faith leaders make some amazing claims. Hagin, for example, has visited (so he says) both heaven and hell as well as had out-of-body experiences .He has had many visits from Jesus and angels. He boasts of the ability to heal, cast our demons, and levitate people .Hinn opens his best selling book with these words:"It was three days before Christmas 1973. The sun was still rising on that cold, misty Toronto morning. Suddenly He was there. The Holy Spirit entered my room. He was as real to me that morning as the book you are holding in your hand is to you. For the next eight hours I had an incredible experience with the Holy Spirit. It changed the course of my life (Rise and Be Healed, p. 1).Hinn speaks of frequent personal visits from the Lord, the first being at age eleven: "I saw Jesus walk into my bedroom. He was wearing a robe that was whiter than white and a deep red mantle was draped over the robe. I saw his hair. I looked into His eyes. I saw the nailprints in His hands. I saw everything. ... When it happened, I was asleep, but suddenly my little body was caught up in an incredible sensation that can only be described as 'electric.' It felt as if someone had plugged me into a wired socket. There was a numbness that felt like needles -- a million of them -- rushing through my body. And then the Lord stood before me while I was in a deep, deep sleep. He looked straight at me with the most beautiful eyes. He smiled, and His arms were open wide. I could feel His presence. It was marvelous and I'll never forget it" (Rise and Be Healed, p. 22).When Hinn describes his conversion, he does not mention the cross, repentance, or faith; rather, it is all couched in terms of experience:"What I really felt, though, was that this surge of power was cleansing me -- instantly, from the inside out. I felt absolutely clean, immaculate, and pure. Suddenly I saw Jesus with my own eyes. It happened in a moment of time. There he was. Jesus" (Rise and Be Healed, p. 31).Hinn claims power of a supernatural nature often emanates from his body:"Once, my mother was cleaning the hallway while I was in my room talking with the Holy Spirit. When I came out, she was thrown right back. Something had knocked her against the wall. I said, 'What's wrong with you, Mama?' She answered, 'I don't know?' Well, the presence of the Lord almost knocked her down" (Rise and Be Healed, p. 42).
As is implied by the title "Word-Faith," the supporters of this movement believe that faith works like a mighty power or force. Through faith, we can obtain anything we want -- health, wealth, success, whatever. However, this force is only released through thespoken word. As we speak the words of faith, power is discharged to accomplish our desires. Hagin's theme, as found in his booklet How to Write Your Own Ticket with God, can be summarized as follows ;In the opening chapter, titled "Jesus Appears to Me," Hagin claims that while he "was in the Spirit" -- just like the apostle John on the Isle of Patmos -- a white cloud enveloped him and he began to speak in tongues. "Then the Lord Jesus Himself appeared to me," says Hagin. "He stood within three feet of me." After what sounded like a casual conversation about such things as finances, ministry, and even current affairs, Jesus told Hagin to get a pencil and a piece of paper. He then instructed him to "Write down: 1,2,3,4." Jesus then allegedly told Hagin "if anybody, anywhere, will take these four steps or put these four principles into operation, he will always receive whatever he wants from Me or from God the Father." That includes whatever you want financially. The formula is simply: "Say it, Do it, Receive it, and Tell it."1. Step number one is "Say it." "Positive or negative, it is up to the individual. According to what the individual says, that shall he receive."2. Step number two is "Do it." "Your action defeats you or puts you over. According to your action, you receive or you are kept from receiving."3. Step number three is "Receive it." We are to plug into the "powerhouse of heaven." "Faith is the plug, praise God! Just plug in."4. Step number four is "Tell it so others may believe." This final step might be considered the Faith movement's outreach program.
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Some of the most wealthy people are atheists.
And then again, some of the poorer people in my area
are the ones tithing what little they have left, praising God
with all the energy they had, and loving others like they would themselves. Isn't there a verse in the Bible that says that it's harder for rich men to enter the kingdom of God? Probably because once someone has everything, they don't have a need to rely on God. They feel that they can take life on by itself from here.
And what happens? They are still rich. I don't have much of a 'faith', maybe I will soon. But I do know that I would not believe in God and then think my life would get that easy afterwards and that I would be rolling in serious dough. I would think God would provide with what I needed not what I wanted.

God doesn't make anyone have anything you have to recieve it..so if they aren't receiving it then how can they have it?

I don't know these peoples beliefs so I can only post that as that is the usually the reason. But i am in no way judging them

And the Devil does own the world so He owns the money until we tell Him to let it go. Which is why atheist can have money.
 
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