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Fear and Chastise

Cody

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I was talking to a Catholic lady and I was trying to explain how fearing God shows respect towards Him. She constantly yelled at me and told me we should only Love Him and not Fear Him. I tried to explain the best I could with Bible verses, but she didn't seem to understand. Also, I tried to explain to her that God chastises us because He loves us, but she got mad when I said that too. She said God will only forgive us and not chastise us. What are some good verses I could use the next time I talk to her?

Here are some verses I used:

Proverbs 1:7
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction." KJV

Deuteronomy 10:12
"And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul," KJV


God Bless
 
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Re: Fear and Chastisement

Cody:

A dyed-in-the-wool Catholic is a very hard person to talk to about such issues. I know because I'm an ex-Catholic and I've experienced the frozen attitudes of family members who are only into religion and not into Jesus.

If I were you, I wouldn't try to rehearse what I'd say to this lady; I would pray for her enlightenment and, if and when the opportunity to discuss the subject with her arises again, I would (under my breath) pray some profound prayer like "God, help me!" and rely on Him to fill my mouth with His words for her. The holy Spirit is a lot wiser than we are.

"But, when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your father speaking through you." (Mt 10:19-20)

SLE
 
The fear of God is wonderful. It's not the fear which the world gives. It's a fear of uttermost respect for God and His law, in that; you want to abide in His law only, and not this worldly law.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

The above scriptures are so true. He will write His law into our minds and hearts. If you ask, you will receive. I asked God to change me and He did, He put His law into my mind and heart.

2Co 7:15 And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Here is another important scripture which one needs to remember, do not fear man. Many of us, fall into this trap.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

It's a different kind of fear, it's not the fear the world gives. It's a fear of respect, in that you want to please Him and being obedient to Him.

Ask and it will given. Knock and the door will be opened.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

If you ask our Father in Heaven. He will not give us something evil. He loves us all.
 
Re: Fear and Chastisement

I agree with you, WordofLife. The problem is, though, that for a very long time, many of us were taught to be afraid of God by preachers who were preaching an incomplete gospel. Also, many parents of my generation threatened harsh discipline to their children with statements like, "I'll put the fear of God in you!" followed by a whipping.

They didn't mean to do spiritual harm, but spiritual harm was done nonethless because many kids of my generation rejected God when they became adults due to the fact that they had a wrong idea of Him from their childhood.

SLE
 
That's sad, because many could still be lost, due to that kind of teaching.

I was reading up in Galations some time back about Paul, and for my understanding, he kept himself away from all kinds of people (flesh and blood) for 3 years before he started his ministry.

Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.


Also I just found this, from biblicaltheology.

Gal 1:18-24.
18Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. 19But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother. 20Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not. 21Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia; 22And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ: 23But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. 24And they glorified God in me.

Paul had established that his early exposure to Christian truth came directly from communication with God during a three-year retreat in the desert of Arabia. Paul then went to Jerusalem to meet with Peter, who was then the leader of the apostles. Again, Paul is demonstrating how his Gospel came directly from God and resulted in teaching the Gospel of the apostles. Paul certainly had a testimony to share immediately following his conversion on the Damascus road. However, before he made an effort to preach and teach, he invested the time in prayer, study, and listening to God that was needed for him to have a complete and true understanding of the gospel.

There are many times that well-meaning Christians are eager to express their faith through preaching and teaching, but engage in the enterprise without the requisite education. Certainly, very little or no religious training is needed for a Christian to give a testimony of what God has done for them. However, in order to preach and teach the meat of the gospel, some learning of scripture is certainly necessary. As we read scripture, we are separated by 2000 years of time, a vast difference in culture, an entirely different language, etc. There have even been changes in English usage since some of the earlier Bible translations were written, and newer Bible translations contain changes that have come as a result of new understanding and knowledge of ancient language, culture, and scripture manuscripts. Unlike Paul who could learn of the gospel through revelation, most Christians are dependent upon study of the scripture with a sensitivity the message that was intended by its authors. Such study takes time and effort. The exercise even took Paul three years of concentrated effort. Christians should never disdain religious knowledge, but should rather seek out every opportunity to learn more so that, like Paul, their testimony can include a depth and understanding of Christian theology that can be proclaimed to others.

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Seeking God, and being away from society, is a good idea, if you ask me.

With all the good intentions of man, sometimes man can hinder us and do more spiritual harm.
 
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