Excerpts from - Dispensationalism Is the Doctrine of Devils

[The Gospel of Christ]

Revelation 7 and the 144,000 — Does This Justify Zionism?

Revelation 7:4–8 describes the sealing of 144,000 from the tribes of Israel. This text does not support modern Zionist theology, nor does it validate the idea that national Israel—especially in its present, secular form—is the centerpiece of God’s redemptive plan in the Church age.

A few points for clarity:

1. Prophetic Context
Revelation 7 is apocalyptic literature, the sealing of 144,000 is a sovereign act of preservation during judgment, not a political endorsement of modern Israel. The individuals are sealed to serve the Lamb, not a nation-state.

2. Spiritual Mission
The 144,000 are not military or political agents, their mission is spiritual, and they stand in contrast to unbelief. This cannot be equated with the modern Israeli government, which, by official and theological stance, rejects Jesus Christ as Messiah.

3. Tribal Symbolism
The tribal listing in Revelation 7 differs from Old Testament tribal arrangements (e.g., Dan is omitted, Ephraim is replaced with Joseph). This suggests spiritual symbolism rather than a literal national registry.

4. The Lost Tribes Dilemma
Dispensationalists claim the modern Jewish state fulfills the tribal promises of Revelation — but ten of the twelve tribes were scattered and absorbed into other nations after the Assyrian exile. No genetic registry exists. To claim tribal identity today is both unprovable and irrelevant under the New Covenant, which defines Israel by faith (Romans 9:6).

5. Paul and Titus Speak to This
Paul warned in Titus 3:9 to avoid genealogies and arguments about the law — because the Spirit foresaw the temptation to anchor covenantal identity in bloodlines. He made it clear: it is not those who boast in fleshly descent who are Israel, but those who are in Christ (Romans 9:6–8, Galatians 3:29). This alone dismantles the entire Dispensationalist framework.

6. Rev 7:9 Refutes Ethnic Exclusivity
Immediately after the sealing of the 144,000, John sees a great multitude from every nation, tribe, people, and language standing before the throne — proving that the true Israel of God is multi-ethnic, gathered in Christ.

7. Biblical Israel = The Body of Christ
Under the New Covenant, “Israel” is defined by faith, not by race. The remnant is preserved, yes — but not by genetic continuity. It is preserved by belief in the Son of God (Romans 11:5, Philippians 3:3).

Revelation 7 affirms that God will preserve a remnant from Israel. This does not legitimize modern Zionism or the theological claim that the modern secular State of Israel fulfills covenantal prophecy apart from Christ. The consistent message of the New Testament is that the promises of God are fulfilled in Christ and extended to all who believe, Jew and Gentile alike.

There is one Gospel, one New Covenant, and one Body — the Church.

And for 1,900 years, every Church Father affirmed this understanding — until 1909, when C.I. Scofield introduced a novel doctrine (Dispensationalism) that redefined Israel, delayed the Kingdom, and split God’s people in contradiction to the historic faith.

Below is a documented sampling of what the early Church; the architects of the Christian religion actually believed:
(And I just have to be honest and up front here.. I'm going to trust their interpretations of the New Testament over a convicted conman who ran out on his family)

Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 AD)
“For the true spiritual Israel, and descendants of Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham… are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ.” (Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 11)

“We, who have been quarried out from the bowels of Christ, are the true Israelite race.”
(Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 135)

Irenaeus (c. 130–202 AD)
“It is not they who are descendants of Abraham according to the flesh who are justified… but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.” (Against Heresies, Book IV, Ch. 21.1)

Tertullian (c. 155–240 AD)
“The Jews have fastened themselves to the ancient names of God’s people, when now the Christians are in reality what they call themselves.” (Answer to the Jews, ch. 12)

Origen (c. 185–254 AD)
“We say that the Scriptures themselves establish that the Jewish nation was to be rejected by God… and that the Christians are the chosen people.” (Against Celsus, Book II, Ch. 8)

Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200–258 AD)
“It is we who are the spiritual Israel, and the children of God who have been born through faith.”
(Epistle 63.2)

Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 260–339 AD)
“The Church has taken the place of the former Jewish nation, and it is rightly named Israel.”
(Proof of the Gospel, Book I, Ch. 5)

Athanasius (c. 296–373 AD)
“The Jews… do not know that the Lord came to them… and they were disinherited from the grace.”
(Festal Letter 6)

John Chrysostom (c. 349–407 AD)
“The Jews are no longer worthy of the honor… but Christians have taken their place as the true Israel.”
(Homily on Philippians, Homily 11)

Jerome (c. 347–420 AD)
“They who were formerly called the people of God have now become the synagogue of Satan.”
(Epistle 112.13) This aligns exactly with the apostolic witness:

“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either.” (1 John 2:23)
“They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel.” (Romans 9:6)

If one claims the religion of Abraham but denies the Son of God — they are not of the covenant.
This isn’t “replacement.” This is 1 John, Romans, and Hebrews, the Gospel as the apostles preached it.

Augustine of Hippo (c. 354–430 AD)
“The house of Israel and the house of Judah, which were formerly distinct peoples, have been made into one people in Christ and the Church.” (City of God, Book 18, Ch. 46)

“Therefore, the true Israelites are not those who have the blood of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but those who walk in their faith.”
(Tractates on the Gospel of John, Tractate 45.9)

Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393–466 AD)
“The Church is the true Israel, heir of the promises made to the patriarchs.”
(Interpretation of Romans 11)

Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 313–386 AD)
“You are the Israel of God, the new people risen from the Gentiles through faith in Christ.”
(Catechetical Lecture 18)

Gregory of Nyssa (c. 335–395 AD)
“It is evident that the calling of the Gentiles has taken the place of the casting away of the Jews.”
(On the Baptism of Christ)

Maximus the Confessor (c. 580–662 AD)
“The Church has inherited the promises once made to Israel.”
(Ambigua to John, 10)

From Justin Martyr to Augustine, from Cyril to Chrysostom, the consistent position of the Church for nearly two millennia was this:

The Church is the true Israel, made up of all who are in Christ — Jew or Gentile.

The Old Covenant is fulfilled and made obsolete in Christ (Hebrews 8:13).

Ethnic lineage has no saving power apart from faith (Philippians 3:3, Romans 2:28–29).

Zionism and two-peoples theology were never taught by the apostles or Church Fathers.

This was the unanimous position until 1909.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Scofield’s Bible, funded by Oxford Press and Zionist interests, introduced a completely foreign doctrine into the Church — one that redefined Israel, fractured the Body, and delayed the Kingdom of God contrary to Christ’s own declaration:

“The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand.” (Mark 1:15)

Clarification on Who “Israel” Truly Is in the New Covenant


Those who follow Jesus Christ — Jew or Gentile — are the only people biblically recognized as the Israel of God under the New Covenant. This is not "replacement theology"; it’s fulfillment theology. Jesus is the King of the Jews — and those who reject Him are not spiritually Israel at all (Romans 9:6–8). Paul teaches that a true Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised by the Spirit, not by the letter (Romans 2:28–29). Therefore, ethnic Jews who reject Christ are not “covenant people” — they are outside the covenant, just like Gentiles without Christ. Clinging to an obsolete covenant that Christ fulfilled is not faith — it’s unbelief.

In contrast, Christians — including Jewish converts who follow the Messiah — are the true heirs of Abraham, the children of promise, and the actual remnant of Israel.
1 John 2:23
John 14:6
Galatians 3:28–29
Romans 9:6–8
Philippians 3:3
Hebrews 8:13
Ephesians 2:12–13
Acts 4:12
Titus 3:9

These verses clearly teach that faith in Christ is the only entrance into the covenant — not ethnicity, not bloodline and not the Old Law.

They are not a “replacement for Israel” — they are Israel, as God defines it under the New Covenant.
Those who deny Christ — Jew or Gentile — are outside the covenant. Period.

The Gospel doesn’t recognize bloodlines.
It recognizes the Body — born again by faith in the Son of God.

Let the record show — no Christian on earth believed this dispensationalist system until it was invented by John Nelson Darby around 1830, then mass-marketed in America by C.I. Scofield in 1909 — backed by Oxford Press, Zionist funding, and Rockefeller money.

What was once a fringe doctrine born in secrecy is now preached in pulpits nationwide — not because it’s biblical, but because it was distributed, financed, and weaponized.

Not Peter, not Paul, not Irenaeus, not Augustine and not a single Church Father taught this for 1900 years.

It didn’t come from the apostles.
It didn’t come from Jesus.
It came from Darby, Scofield, and those who rebranded Zionism as theology.

Even the earliest Jewish followers of Jesus — Paul, James, Barnabas, Hegesippus, and others — rejected the idea that ethnic lineage or Mosaic observance defined covenant membership.

They taught that faith in Christ alone, determines who belongs to the true Israel of God.

The first Christians were Jews — and they didn’t teach Dispensationalism or bloodline theology.
They preached the Gospel of the Kingdom.
They preached fulfillment in Christ.
They preached that the Body of Christ is Israel.

End of story.

No one — not Peter, not Paul, not James, not Irenaeus, not Augustine,
not a single Church Father for 1,900 years —
ever taught this dual-covenant, genealogical gospel.

It didn’t come from Christ.
It came from Scofield, Darby, Oxford Press and the Dragon.

Born in Hell in 1830 — and thrust upon an unsuspecting Church in 1909.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You see, they knew.

The followers of the Dragon in Europe — the elites, the financiers, the schemers, they knew.

They knew that even if Puritans were running the U.S. military, American Christians would never back a Rothschild/UN land grab in Palestine.

Not unless the Church was first sedated… and rewritten.

So they did what the Serpent always does:
They forged a counterfeit Word; a theological Trojan Horse.

In 1909, they slipped it into the US — Scofield’s so-called “Study Bible” — printed by Oxford Press, funded by Zionist interests, and baptized in academic polish.

And most Americans? They couldn’t read well and many had no access to libraries.
No internet.
No radio.
No television for another 40 years.
This tomb from the pit was all they had to sit around the living room with while mother read it.

The Word of God was being hijacked, — and no one knew.
Certainly Oxford wouldn't lie - "they're fancy! like the Queen n stuff!"

Then came World War I.
Then the Great Depression.
Then the Dust Bowl and the Grapes of Wrath.
Then the bloodbath of World War II.

And by the time the smoke cleared in 1945, the Church was fully indoctrinated.
A generation of Christians had been raised on Scofield’s footnotes — not the apostles’ doctrine.

And just two years later — in 1947 — the stage was set.

The church didn’t object.
It didn’t even resist.

Because by then, the Gospel had been replaced by a flowchart, the Kingdom postponed, and Jesus recast as a failed political offer.

All thanks to a Bible from the pit.

Fast forward 100 years to today and you've got Christians on forums going: "What do you mean the Body of Christ is Israel?
That doesn't even make sense!"

The apostles would weep.
The Church Fathers would tear their robes and fall to the floor in grief.
Because what they bled and died to establish...
had now been hijacked by a theology born in Hell — and worshipped like scripture.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

While it’s hard to tally the exact number, dozens of Protestant denominations and countless independent churches — especially in America — were either formed, fractured, or theologically transformed after the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible in 1909.

And that wasn’t an accident.

Theological Earthquake: What Scofield Actually Did

Dispensationalism became the dominant view in much of Baptist, Pentecostal, and evangelical non-denominational Christianity — not by biblical study, but because a convicted conman’s footnotes were passed off as doctrine.

Entire seminaries like Dallas Theological Seminary were built to spread this doctrine.

Churches split over eschatology: rapture timelines, Zionism, Israel worship — and Scofield’s Oxford-funded notes were the catalyst.

The rise of the modern “non-denominational” megachurch carries this virus unknowingly — built on a view of Israel and the end times that didn’t even exist before 1830.

Denominations & Movements Affected (or Created)

Independent Fundamentalist Baptists (IFB) — shaped directly by Scofield’s teachings.
Assemblies of God — many branches adopted Scofield-style rapture theology.
Calvary Chapel — rooted in premillennial dispensationalism from inception.
Southern Baptists — thousands of churches drifted toward Scofieldism in the 20th century.
Evangelical Free Church of America (EFCA) — many local churches carry the influence.
Grace Brethren and Plymouth Brethren — absorbed and reinforced Darby/Scofield timelines.
Charismatic & Prophetic movements — fueled by Scofield’s structure, with “Israel” at the center.

A Church Divided, By Design

Hundreds — even thousands — of independent “Bible churches” were formed after rejecting older denominations, often due to Scofield’s Israel-focused footnotes.

The Pre-Trib Rapture became a new litmus test of “orthodoxy,” despite being unknown to the early Church.

The idea of “two peoples, two covenants” became a seminary battlefield, causing new networks, factions, and breakaways.

The Aftermath: Confusion, Division, Blindness

Scofield’s Bible wasn’t just a reference tool — it was a Trojan horse.

It fractured the Church, replaced apostolic truth with a Zionist blueprint, and left believers divided, disoriented, and spiritually blind.
And that’s exactly what it was designed to do.

Because once you separate the Church from Israel…
Once you postpone the Kingdom…
Once you recast Jesus as a failed King offering a paused plan...

You’ve gutted the Gospel.
You’ve confused the Church.
And you’ve set the stage for deception on a global scale.

That’s why today, we have chaos in the pulpits.
Why Western Christianity is asleep, divided, and obsessed with earthly Israel.
Why churches wave a flag and call it faith…
While the Gospel of the Kingdom sits collecting dust.

All because in 1909, Oxford Press printed a Bible from the pit —
and the Church never recovered.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You ignore the Word of God.
You reject the teachings of the apostles.
And you call Jesus a failure — whether you admit it or not.

You preach that the Kingdom was postponed.
That Christ’s mission was rejected.
That the Cross wasn’t enough.
That unbelief is still “chosen” —
literally denying the Gospel Jesus died to establish.
And now you claim God needs a third temple…
to finish what His Son supposedly couldn’t?

That’s not theology.
That’s heresy dressed in prophecy.
And it spits on the blood of Christ while waving a UN charter from 1948.

That’s not faith.
That’s Scofieldism.

You stand on a doctrine that didn’t exist for 1,900 years —
a theology invented by Darby, funded by Zionists, and baptized by Oxford Press in 1909.

Not a single Church Father believed what you now preach.
Not Peter.
Not Paul.
Not Ignatius.
Not Irenaeus.
Not Augustine.

They all proclaimed what the New Testament still declares:

That true Israel is found in Christ.
That there is one Body.
One people.
One covenant — fulfilled in Him.

But you exalt genealogies.
You defend unbelief.
You boast in the flesh —
flatly rejecting the entire New Covenant.
And you’ve wrapped it all in a flag…
then dared to call it “prophecy.”

Friend, you’re not contending for the faith.
You’re standing in open defiance of it.
You’re blind inside a system that calls the Gospel a pause button,
and the Church a side-note in God’s plan.

The veil is real.
And you’re not just under it —
You’re defending it.
Preaching it.
And baptizing others into it.

But the Word of God stands forever.
And it has already judged your doctrine false.

Repent,

Before the King returns.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Paul and Jesus both warned of a great deception, a veil that would blind the many, not the few.

Jesus said “wide is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.” (Matthew 7:13)

Paul said “to this day, when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.” (2 Corinthians 3:15) — and that the “god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers.” (2 Corinthians 4:4)

And now, 2,000 years later…

That veil has a name:
Dispensationalism.

It blinded the Church.
It split the Body.
It replaced Christ with color-coded charts.
It calls Jesus not the King — but a failed offer.
It replaced the New Covenant with a “postponed Kingdom.”
And it traded the Gospel for genealogies, nationalism, and blueprints for a third temple.

All while pretending it was “prophecy.”

This isn’t just a bad interpretation.
It’s the great delusion.

And millions of Christians are on that wide road right now…
Quoting Scofield, defending unbelief, and waving a flag over the very Cross that saved them.

Jesus said “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven…” (Matthew 7:21)

And He meant it.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

No Christian who loves the truth, believes the apostles, and honors the New Covenant can refute this.
Only those still clutching the veil — addicted to Scofield’s flowcharts or seduced by theological propaganda will even try.
And when they do, they won’t answer with scripture.
They’ll dodge.
They’ll distract.
They’ll accuse.

But they cannot dismantle the Word of God.

It stands forever — and it has already judged their doctrine false.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

This one's a classic...



"Dispensationalists on Star Wars…

“Look at us — we’re rightly dividing the Word!
And in our theology, Obi-Wan and Yoda are the villains, and the Emperor is the hero.

We didn’t agree with George Lucas’ original interpretation of the Star Wars scriptures (even though he wrote it),
so we rightly divided the six-book saga into dispensations to fit our system
and the teachings we’ve been spoon-fed since seminary.

The evil Skywalker twins?
They’re related to Anakin; so they must be hunted down and destroyed.
And that green menace Yoda?
He should be chained up and executed too.

People keep telling us this was never what George Lucas intended —
but we don’t care.
We completely ignore the author…”

Get it yet, atheists and lukewarm Christian lurkers?????

This is exactly what they’ve done to the New Testament.

Wake up.

These people are part of a dangerous cult that’s dragging Jews and Gentiles alike toward Hell —
brainwashed into cheering for World War III and a nuclear bloodbath,
just to trigger some twisted end-times fantasy
where Jesus comes back only after the Antichrist walks into a third temple they helped rebuild.

There’s just one problem:

There’s not a single word about this psychotic fantasy anywhere in the Bible."

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Here are the facts:

The biggest galactic nightmare that came out of Scofield’s Bible?

That for nearly 2,000 years; from the apostles onward, every Christian on Earth believed one simple truth:

Anyone still clinging to the Old Covenant while rejecting Christ was antichrist, unsaved, and headed for Hell.

Period..

It wasn’t even controversial.
That’s how Paul preached it.
That’s how the apostles taught it.
That’s how every Jewish and Gentile convert understood it.

You either bowed to the Cross, or you were still under wrath.
No charts.
No caveats.
No get-out-of-Hell-free rabbi cards.

The early Church was made up of Jewish converts like Peter and Paul, and then Gentiles were grafted in to the same Tree, not added as a side dish. They were all Christians.

When a Gentile or ethnically Jewish Christian in 1342 saw a rabbi walking down the road?
They didn’t think “chosen.”
They thought “lost.”

Because rejecting the King meant rejecting the covenant.
Period.
End of story.
Case closed.
This isn't hard to understand.

Then in 1909, the Scofield Bible showed up like a theological nuke from Hell —
and suddenly half the Christians got brainwashed overnight and slipped into the veil.

Suddenly the very people who rejected the Cross, denied the Son, and mocked the Gospel were somehow “still chosen”?
Still “God’s people”?
That's complete insanity (said all the Jewish & Gentile Christians who follow the KING!..)
You'd have to ignore the entire New Testament of the Bible and the Word of God within it to believe that.
Like modern brainwashed Dispensationalists and Jews do..

But that isn't Christianity.
That’s not the Gospel.
That’s delusion.

Imagine if a Hell’s Angels biker gang declared:

“We reject Jesus, sell heroin, traffic women, and shoot people in the face —
but we’re still chosen because of our bloodline!”

That’s what modern Dispensationalists are preaching.

Spit on the King?
Deny His Cross?
Mock His Word?

No problem!
Here’s your covenant — just ignore the entire New Testament to get it.
Because way back on page 13 of Genesis, they twist a promise made to Abraham into a foreign policy doctrine —
while completely ignoring everything Jesus, the One High, Paul, and the entire New Testament says about who the real heirs of that promise are.

Followers of Christ the King!

It’s insanity.
It’s blasphemy.
It’s a spell from Hell.

And every Evangelical pulpit spreading it is helping drag the world into chaos, judgment, and war —
grieving the Spirit, enraging the Father, mocking the Son,
and placing their own eternal souls in terrifying danger.

 

[Gothedral]

Facts like this make it difficult for me to find a congregation to spend time with. I ain't doing the 'holier than thou' bit. I'm just feeling danger zones where the Holy Spirit could be. Does this make sense?

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

According to the Dispensationalists out in Dallas, here’s a full list of all the antisemitic monsters, Nazis, and supposed David Duke disciples…

All because they believe and declare what the New Testament itself says; that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and the only way to the Father, and that rejecting Him is rejecting the covenant:

Are you ready for the full list of antisemitic "Nazi's from Hell"? Here we go...

God the Father
God the Holy Spirit
The angel Gabriel
Zechariah
Elizabeth
Mary (mother of Jesus)
Joseph (earthly father of Jesus)
Jesus Christ
John the Baptist
Anna the Prophetess
Simeon
The demons (unwillingly)
Peter
James
John (the apostle)
Andrew
Philip
Nathaniel
Thomas
Matthew
Bartholomew
Simon the Zealot
Jude (Thaddeus)
James (son of Alphaeus)
The 72 disciples
Martha (sister of Lazarus)
Mary Magdalene
The Samaritan woman at the well
The man born blind
The thief on the cross
The centurion at the cross
The angel at the tomb
The multitude of early Jewish believers in Acts
Stephen
Ananias (disciple in Damascus)
Paul (Saul of Tarsus)
Barnabas
Philip the Evangelist
The Ethiopian eunuch
Silas
Timothy
Titus
Apollos
The writer of Hebrews
The writer of Revelation (John)
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Daniel
Micah
Zechariah (prophet)
Malachi
Clement
Ignatius
Polycarp
Justin Martyr
Irenaeus
Tertullian
Origen
Cyprian
Eusebius of Caesarea
Athanasius
The Desert Fathers
Basil the Great
Ambrose
Jerome
Chrysostom
Augustine
The early Celtic Church
Gregory the Great
The Waldensians
The early Orthodox Christians
The Anabaptists
The Reformers (Luther, Calvin, or Zwingli)
The Puritans
The Geneva Bible translators
The Huguenots
The Scottish Covenanters
The Moravians
Jonathan Edwards
Charles Spurgeon
The early American revivalists
Martyrs under Roman persecution
Underground churches behind the Iron Curtain
Underground churches in China
The Church at Antioch (Paul, Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, and more)
Priscilla and Aquila
The household of Cornelius
Thousands of early Jewish believers in Jerusalem (Acts 2–4)
The seven churches addressed in Revelation — Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea
Melito of Sardis
The Apolytikion of the Resurrection (liturgical hymn of the Church for centuries)
The Council of Nicaea (pre-corruption), which confessed:

“We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only-begotten Son of God,
begotten of the Father before all worlds,
Light from Light, true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one essence with the Father,
through whom all things were made.”

^ That’s the full list "antisemitic Nazis"...

Every last one of them — according to Dispensationlists — is a heretic.
A problem.
An enemy of Rothschild's Israel.
A potential antisemite.
A theological terrorist.
A “David Duke disciple” with Klan robes hanging in the closet…
…for simply quoting the very King of the Jews and His Jewish apostles.

No, I'm not joking.

That’s how lost, deceived, and utterly brainwashed they are.

Scofield didn’t just rewrite theology.
He rebuilt the veil Christ tore in two.
And they’re standing behind it, swinging Bibles like weapons while they accuse the Gospel itself of "hate".

So now you’ve seen the list.

The saints.
The prophets.
The apostles.
The Son of God.
Even God the Father Himself.

All of them now labeled as dangerous, hateful, antisemitic “Nazis from Hell” — by people too terrified to say that Jesus is the only way, and too seduced to admit that Christ-rejecters are still under wrath.

So let me ask you —
Where do you stand?

Because there’s no middle ground left.

You either:
Stand with Christ,
Or accuse Him with the mob.

You either:
Quote the apostles,
Or crucify them again with your silence.

You either:
Tear the veil with the Gospel,
Or stitch it back up with Scofield.

You either follow the King,
or stand in open Rebellion to Him.

But know this —
When the veil drops for the final time,
Only one side will be left standing.
And only that side will receive the Mark of the Lamb.

The others?
They will be handed over to the very demons of Hell —
When the pit is opened,
And the Watchers are released from Tartarus.

So decide where you stand now.
Because the time for silence is over.
Ignorance will not save you.
And time is running out.

 

[David Koberstein]

Revelation 7 and the 144,000 — Does This Justify Zionism?

Revelation 7:4–8 describes the sealing of 144,000 from the tribes of Israel. This text does not support modern Zionist theology, nor does it validate the idea that national Israel—especially in its present, secular form—is the centerpiece of God’s redemptive plan in the Church age.

A few points for clarity:

1. Prophetic Context
Revelation 7 is apocalyptic literature, the sealing of 144,000 is a sovereign act of preservation during judgment, not a political endorsement of modern Israel. The individuals are sealed to serve the Lamb, not a nation-state.

2. Spiritual Mission
The 144,000 are not military or political agents, their mission is spiritual, and they stand in contrast to unbelief. This cannot be equated with the modern Israeli government, which, by official and theological stance, rejects Jesus Christ as Messiah.

3. Tribal Symbolism
The tribal listing in Revelation 7 differs from Old Testament tribal arrangements (e.g., Dan is omitted, Ephraim is replaced with Joseph). This suggests spiritual symbolism rather than a literal national registry.

4. The Lost Tribes Dilemma
Dispensationalists claim the modern Jewish state fulfills the tribal promises of Revelation — but ten of the twelve tribes were scattered and absorbed into other nations after the Assyrian exile. No genetic registry exists. To claim tribal identity today is both unprovable and irrelevant under the New Covenant, which defines Israel by faith (Romans 9:6).

5. Paul and Titus Speak to This
Paul warned in Titus 3:9 to avoid genealogies and arguments about the law — because the Spirit foresaw the temptation to anchor covenantal identity in bloodlines. He made it clear: it is not those who boast in fleshly descent who are Israel, but those who are in Christ (Romans 9:6–8, Galatians 3:29). This alone dismantles the entire Dispensationalist framework.

6. Rev 7:9 Refutes Ethnic Exclusivity
Immediately after the sealing of the 144,000, John sees a great multitude from every nation, tribe, people, and language standing before the throne — proving that the true Israel of God is multi-ethnic, gathered in Christ.

7. Biblical Israel = The Body of Christ
Under the New Covenant, “Israel” is defined by faith, not by race. The remnant is preserved, yes — but not by genetic continuity. It is preserved by belief in the Son of God (Romans 11:5, Philippians 3:3).

Revelation 7 affirms that God will preserve a remnant from Israel. This does not legitimize modern Zionism or the theological claim that the modern secular State of Israel fulfills covenantal prophecy apart from Christ. The consistent message of the New Testament is that the promises of God are fulfilled in Christ and extended to all who believe, Jew and Gentile alike.

There is one Gospel, one New Covenant, and one Body — the Church.

And for 1,900 years, every Church Father affirmed this understanding — until 1909, when C.I. Scofield introduced a novel doctrine (Dispensationalism) that redefined Israel, delayed the Kingdom, and split God’s people in contradiction to the historic faith.

Below is a documented sampling of what the early Church; the architects of the Christian religion actually believed:
(And I just have to be honest and up front here.. I'm going to trust their interpretations of the New Testament over a convicted conman who ran out on his family)

Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 AD)
“For the true spiritual Israel, and descendants of Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham… are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ.” (Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 11)

“We, who have been quarried out from the bowels of Christ, are the true Israelite race.”
(Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 135)

Irenaeus (c. 130–202 AD)
“It is not they who are descendants of Abraham according to the flesh who are justified… but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.” (Against Heresies, Book IV, Ch. 21.1)

Tertullian (c. 155–240 AD)
“The Jews have fastened themselves to the ancient names of God’s people, when now the Christians are in reality what they call themselves.” (Answer to the Jews, ch. 12)

Origen (c. 185–254 AD)
“We say that the Scriptures themselves establish that the Jewish nation was to be rejected by God… and that the Christians are the chosen people.” (Against Celsus, Book II, Ch. 8)

Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200–258 AD)
“It is we who are the spiritual Israel, and the children of God who have been born through faith.”
(Epistle 63.2)

Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 260–339 AD)
“The Church has taken the place of the former Jewish nation, and it is rightly named Israel.”
(Proof of the Gospel, Book I, Ch. 5)

Athanasius (c. 296–373 AD)
“The Jews… do not know that the Lord came to them… and they were disinherited from the grace.”
(Festal Letter 6)

John Chrysostom (c. 349–407 AD)
“The Jews are no longer worthy of the honor… but Christians have taken their place as the true Israel.”
(Homily on Philippians, Homily 11)

Jerome (c. 347–420 AD)
“They who were formerly called the people of God have now become the synagogue of Satan.”
(Epistle 112.13) This aligns exactly with the apostolic witness:

“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either.” (1 John 2:23)
“They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel.” (Romans 9:6)

If one claims the religion of Abraham but denies the Son of God — they are not of the covenant.
This isn’t “replacement.” This is 1 John, Romans, and Hebrews, the Gospel as the apostles preached it.

Augustine of Hippo (c. 354–430 AD)
“The house of Israel and the house of Judah, which were formerly distinct peoples, have been made into one people in Christ and the Church.” (City of God, Book 18, Ch. 46)

“Therefore, the true Israelites are not those who have the blood of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but those who walk in their faith.”
(Tractates on the Gospel of John, Tractate 45.9)

Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393–466 AD)
“The Church is the true Israel, heir of the promises made to the patriarchs.”
(Interpretation of Romans 11)

Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 313–386 AD)
“You are the Israel of God, the new people risen from the Gentiles through faith in Christ.”
(Catechetical Lecture 18)

Gregory of Nyssa (c. 335–395 AD)
“It is evident that the calling of the Gentiles has taken the place of the casting away of the Jews.”
(On the Baptism of Christ)

Maximus the Confessor (c. 580–662 AD)
“The Church has inherited the promises once made to Israel.”
(Ambigua to John, 10)

From Justin Martyr to Augustine, from Cyril to Chrysostom, the consistent position of the Church for nearly two millennia was this:

The Church is the true Israel, made up of all who are in Christ — Jew or Gentile.

The Old Covenant is fulfilled and made obsolete in Christ (Hebrews 8:13).

Ethnic lineage has no saving power apart from faith (Philippians 3:3, Romans 2:28–29).

Zionism and two-peoples theology were never taught by the apostles or Church Fathers.

This was the unanimous position until 1909.

Sounds like the gospel of antisemitism.
No wonder Messianic Jews and Christians don't get along. The Jews are the apple or the Hebrew the pupil of God's eye.
Shalom

 

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I think whoever wrote this doesn't understand dispensation. I agree the Jews and Gentiles get saved exactly the same way.
No different salvation method for jews and Gentiles.. but that isn't traditional dispensationalism.

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Dispensation | Time Period | Key Features
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Innocence | Creation to the Fall | Adam and Eve in Eden, direct fellowship with God
Conscience | Fall to the Flood | Moral awareness, sacrifices, no written law
Human Government | Flood to Abraham | Accountability through civil structures
Promise | Abraham to Moses | Covenant with Abraham, circumcision introduced
Law | Moses to Christ | Mosaic Law, temple worship, priests, sacrifices
Grace | Pentecost to Present | Salvation through Christ, indwelling Holy Spirit
Millennial Kingdom | Christ's 1,000-year reign | Christ reigns on earth, peace, long lifespans
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There are the "commonly" taught dispensations. Depending on your point of view.. you could say that some of them are the same.

Dispensationalism is a system of biblical interpretation that divides history into distinct periods or “dispensations” in which God interacts with humanity in different ways. Each dispensation is seen as a test of human obedience to God's revealed will during that era.

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Key Features of Classic Dispensationalism​

1. Literal Interpretation of Scripture
   Especially prophecy. Dispensationalists tend to interpret prophetic passages (like Revelation or Daniel) very literally.
2. Distinction Between Israel and the Church
   One of the most defining traits. Dispensationalists believe that God has separate plans for Israel and the Church. Israel’s promises (like land and kingdom) are not transferred to the Church.
3. Futurist Eschatology
   Most dispensationalists are premillennial and believe in a future 7-year tribulation, followed by Christ’s literal 1,000-year reign on earth.
4. Pre-Tribulation Rapture (in most versions)
   Many dispensationalists believe the Church will be raptured before the tribulation begins.

• Salvation was always by faith, but the object and expression of that faith varied.
• In the Law dispensation, faith was expressed through obedience to the Mosaic Law, sacrifices, and priestly mediation.
• In the Church Age, salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone, apart from works or rituals.
• Some even suggested that people in the Old Testament were not “saved” in the same way as New Testament believers — they were “safe” or “justified” but not yet regenerated or indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

Circumcision would be an example.. required under the OT law. But not required under NT grace.

• One way of salvation throughout history — always by grace through faith.
• But the content of faith (what people were expected to believe) and the means of expressing it changed depending on the dispensation.

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Dispensation | Means of Obedience | Salvation Expression
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Law (Old Testament) | Sacrifices, priests, temple system | Faith in God's promises, obedience to Law
Grace (New Testament) | Faith in Christ alone | No sacrifices, direct access to God through Jesus
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The old Testament rituals were mostly "place holders". For example all of the animal sacrifices of the old testament
were a symbol of the utimate sacrifice to come (Jesus)
All of the priests of the old testament were an example of the ultimate high priest to come (Jesus).

So in those examples.. nothing changed.. but everything changed.