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Hey guys.

My name is Abigail. For the past few months, I’ve been doubting. My doubts have grown so, that I’m not sure I can believe at this point. I’ve had people tell me to believe on Christ, and place my faith in Him. I don’t think I can, and let me explain.
Faith comes from Him. Ephesians say so, and I’m worried I don’t have that. I doubt so much, that I question even my own motives. “Do I truly want to believe?” Or even things that are obvious in my life, done by Him.

I sit under very sound teaching in a reformed church. I was involved in legalism before that, but God brought me to the truth. I know He did. Now, I even question the obvious things, and it scares the daylights out of me. The basics of the faith!

I’ve talked to so many people, and gotten so many different opinions. I’ve read so many books, I’ve prayed. I just don’t think I can believe, and I’m scared. I want to believe, but I even question that desire (which I know is God-given.) I’m so worried I’m an apostate, because I’m basically not believing what I know I’ve heard is true.

The Bible says even demons believe and shudder. I understand, intellectually, how well the Bible makes sense. I get it, I can talk apologetics all day long. It’s something deeper than that for me, and that’s what so frightening. I’m worried it’s a willful decision not to believe. As I said again, I believe in reformed theology. I know His word is true. It’s like I am disbelieving it, even though I don’t want to.

Please tell me there’s someone out there who can relate at all, who has gotten through something like this.
 
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Hi Abigail... welcome here!

I don't have a lot of deep thoughts for you but know this... I think everyone goes through doubts at some point in time. The "accuser" will want to take those doubts and attack you, accusing you of weak faith or of somehow being an incorrigible sinner, and get you all bound up in accusations. Shame on him!

It isn't the strength of our faith or "unshakableness" of our belief that God wants, but I believe He welcomes us to admit our doubts to Him, and to tell Him how the devil is attacking us, and that we feel very weak and frail. We don't need to worry "Do I have enough faith" but rather, use the very small portion of faith we have, to rest in the arms of God, if we are His child - and you mention that you know God brought you to the truth! Just hang on to that through this storm.

Psalm 42:5
Why are you downcast, O my soul? Why the unease within me? Put your hope in God, for I shall yet praise Him for the salvation of His presence.

Read the Psalms instead of all sorts of books with different opinions! You can see that David had doubts and fears, but even in his worst times he came to God. God is not looking for a strong, flawless person but someone He can have a relationship with as you rely completely on Him and not on your own understanding or thinking.

Blessings sister! Praying for you.

Chad
 
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@Abigailkayl praying for you that your faith is increase brother. Stay strong, and the word of God is what will make you stronger the better you know it !!
 
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Dear @Abigailkayl
Welcome to Talk Jesus my Sister in Christ Jesus!
I'll keep it simple.

The enemy and that includes those in the World, and the entertainment that is all around us and permeates our lives, try as we might to not let it. We all need to refocus at times, especially with the time we spend with Him. Removing the distractions, the things that pull us here or there, as if doing them we will find solace. In the mist of the Storm, He is there with us, with you.

Because even when we believe we're doing all the right things, we feel so apart from it all separate, even in church. When doubt starts creeping in, you take it to the Cross.

For it is at the Cross where it all started for us, and when everything else seems to go topsy-turvy in your life, and your prayer life isn't what it should be, or your spending time with God is minimal, you lay it all out there and you cry out to the Lord!

He will answer you, the peace, understanding, and surety that are so far removed from you at the moment through and by the Holy Spirit will beat back the Adversary, and the very things that are whispering there is so much more for you besides this.

You are His and don't you forget it!!!!!! You are beautiful and He has so many wonderful things in store for those who love Him, that our own imaginations can't even conceive them!

I and others here will be praying for you. Don't let go of that life preserver called Jesus!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
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This song blessed me today. We can come to God as we are, no matter how broken we think we are.

 
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Hey guys.

My name is Abigail. For the past few months, I’ve been doubting. My doubts have grown so, that I’m not sure I can believe at this point. I’ve had people tell me to believe on Christ, and place my faith in Him. I don’t think I can, and let me explain.
Faith comes from Him. Ephesians say so, and I’m worried I don’t have that. I doubt so much, that I question even my own motives. “Do I truly want to believe?” Or even things that are obvious in my life, done by Him.

I sit under very sound teaching in a reformed church. I was involved in legalism before that, but God brought me to the truth. I know He did. Now, I even question the obvious things, and it scares the daylights out of me. The basics of the faith!

I’ve talked to so many people, and gotten so many different opinions. I’ve read so many books, I’ve prayed. I just don’t think I can believe, and I’m scared. I want to believe, but I even question that desire (which I know is God-given.) I’m so worried I’m an apostate, because I’m basically not believing what I know I’ve heard is true.

The Bible says even demons believe and shudder. I understand, intellectually, how well the Bible makes sense. I get it, I can talk apologetics all day long. It’s something deeper than that for me, and that’s what so frightening. I’m worried it’s a willful decision not to believe. As I said again, I believe in reformed theology. I know His word is true. It’s like I am disbelieving it, even though I don’t want to.

Please tell me there’s someone out there who can relate at all, who has gotten through something like this.
Several years ago, I had an experience much like yours. It was perhaps the most excruciating mental pain I have ever endured. As much as I wanted to believe in God, I felt like I didn't believe, even though I knew good apologetics arguments. I didn't feel certainty. I didn't feel I perceived him in life. I went into a mental breakdown. I began to question everything about our day-to-day experience and reason, and felt emptiness in everything. (Although I eventually realized there was no good reason to question our basic experiential and rational truths, and that I was presuming and using these very same truths to try to argue that they might not be real, which was only self-defeating and thus confirming their validity.) When I look back on this more than 7 years later, I realize that this experience was very "psychological" in nature, even though at the time I thought it was rational. It was based less on any real reason to doubt these things, and based more on emotional anxieties and insecurities that had gone out of control. My anxiety and my mental routine were causing these perceptions, and I was telling myself they were true, even though there was no reason to think so.

So I think it can be very helpful to keep in mind that even "questioning obvious things" can be very psychological in nature and may not be based on good reasons. If you feel your doubts are getting out of control, then seeking mental health treatment/counseling, as well as learning more about how the mind works, can be very useful. Which I have found in my own experience.

I also think, on reflection, that I did have some kind of belief in God because I was so driven towards him, even if I didn't "feel" the reality of His presence/existence in my cognitive state. So it's good to remember that our faith in God doesn't necessarily have to be a kind of cognitive awareness of His existence, it can just be a choice, a commitment to Him.

Also, I began to ask God to give me a spiritual experience of Him so that I would know He was there. I prayed this obsessively every day for nearly 12 months. Sometimes I felt so pained that I wanted to give up, but I never did because I knew how important this was. I told Him I would keep seeking to experience Him in my life so that I would believe, even if it took the rest of my life.

Some people have an experience of God in their lives, a kind of conscious sense that's just as real as their sense of, say, the physical world. After almost 12 months, I experienced this in a very direct way for the first time. I was praying in distress about how many lost people there were in the world, and for the first time I perceived God's presence. It was like He was visiting and communicating to me on a conscious level, though not using our language, but just on a very direct level that wasn't differentiated into "words". I knew it was Him, the same way I can instantly recognize the existence of anyone I see in person. And He was giving me reassurance that He was there, and that He would bring about everything in the world, in life, and for mankind, for the best.

I didn't always experience Him in that same direct, "loud" way again, but I've generally always sensed, even if on a softer and less conscious level, His presence in my life. The only time I felt like I was "losing contact" with Him again was when I had developed a very bad bronchitis around New Years '16/'17, that was causing me panic attacks and deep depression every day, and I started obsessing on little things I didn't feel certain about. I was worried I was starting to awaken to problems I was ignoring. But after the illness passed, my mind went back to normal again.

But this made me realize more so how psychological and brain-oriented unbelief/doubt can be. It may not be a reflection of reality. And I continued to research into any doubts that sprung up during that illness and settle my understanding of them, and I feel a lot more comfortable with then now. In fact, these days, I find God's existence more obvious than ever. I find that His non-existence is less and less realistic and reasonable, the more I understand Him, and the more my questions come together into a cohesive understanding. There was a time, in 2011, when I felt like I would never be able to believe, no matter how much I tried. But in the present, the reality of God seems so much more obvious to me now.

It's just something that takes a long time to develop, and wrestling with your doubts and questions will be apart of that development. But also understanding how your mind works and why you think things the way you do will also be apart of that.

I also had one more experience when God communicated to be in a very direct, blatant way. He suddenly warned me one day while I was walking outside about the darkness of a friend of mine. The next time I tried to contact this friend just to say hello, she was extremely spite and vindictive towards me in a way I would have never expected from her, and she has not changed in that in over 2 years. We had had some arguments before regarding difficulties in our interactions, but she always seemed to strive to be reasonable and civil, at worst just avoiding of issues. There was no reason at all to think she abruptly would change the way she did into an antagonistic way, that didn't seem in her character. It would have shocked me if God had not warned me beforehand.

Also, given that you are so concerned about believing, that strikes me as a very good sign that you are on the right path, even if you feel doubts and disbelief. Ultimately, it's about your choice to commit to God, even if you don't feel like you are consciously aware of His reality.

I've also heard of many accounts of people who wandered away from the truth, but came back to it later in life (sometimes much later). This is possibility is even acknowledged in the New Testament, as I recently noticed mentioned in James 5: 19 - 20.

If you are wanting more of a direct experience of God, then I would just pray on this and have patience. Sometimes, it can take a long time before God chooses to give one an experience of Him. But I believe He will give you one eventually.
 
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Several years ago, I had an experience much like yours. It was perhaps the most excruciating mental pain I have ever endured. As much as I wanted to believe in God, I felt like I didn't believe, even though I knew good apologetics arguments. I didn't feel certainty. I didn't feel I perceived him in life. I went into a mental breakdown. I began to question everything about our day-to-day experience and reason, and felt emptiness in everything. (Although I eventually realized there was no good reason to question our basic experiential and rational truths, and that I was presuming and using these very same truths to try to argue that they might not be real, which was only self-defeating and thus confirming their validity.) When I look back on this more than 7 years later, I realize that this experience was very "psychological" in nature, even though at the time I thought it was rational. It was based less on any real reason to doubt these things, and based more on emotional anxieties and insecurities that had gone out of control. My anxiety and my mental routine were causing these perceptions, and I was telling myself they were true, even though there was no reason to think so.

So I think it can be very helpful to keep in mind that even "questioning obvious things" can be very psychological in nature and may not be based on good reasons. If you feel your doubts are getting out of control, then seeking mental health treatment/counseling, as well as learning more about how the mind works, can be very useful. Which I have found in my own experience.

I also think, on reflection, that I did have some kind of belief in God because I was so driven towards him, even if I didn't "feel" the reality of His presence/existence in my cognitive state. So it's good to remember that our faith in God doesn't necessarily have to be a kind of cognitive awareness of His existence, it can just be a choice, a commitment to Him.

Also, I began to ask God to give me a spiritual experience of Him so that I would know He was there. I prayed this obsessively every day for nearly 12 months. Sometimes I felt so pained that I wanted to give up, but I never did because I knew how important this was. I told Him I would keep seeking to experience Him in my life so that I would believe, even if it took the rest of my life.

Some people have an experience of God in their lives, a kind of conscious sense that's just as real as their sense of, say, the physical world. After almost 12 months, I experienced this in a very direct way for the first time. I was praying in distress about how many lost people there were in the world, and for the first time I perceived God's presence. It was like He was visiting and communicating to me on a conscious level, though not using our language, but just on a very direct level that wasn't differentiated into "words". I knew it was Him, the same way I can instantly recognize the existence of anyone I see in person. And He was giving me reassurance that He was there, and that He would bring about everything in the world, in life, and for mankind, for the best.

I didn't always experience Him in that same direct, "loud" way again, but I've generally always sensed, even if on a softer and less conscious level, His presence in my life. The only time I felt like I was "losing contact" with Him again was when I had developed a very bad bronchitis around New Years '16/'17, that was causing me panic attacks and deep depression every day, and I started obsessing on little things I didn't feel certain about. I was worried I was starting to awaken to problems I was ignoring. But after the illness passed, my mind went back to normal again.

But this made me realize more so how psychological and brain-oriented unbelief/doubt can be. It may not be a reflection of reality. And I continued to research into any doubts that sprung up during that illness and settle my understanding of them, and I feel a lot more comfortable with then now. In fact, these days, I find God's existence more obvious than ever. I find that His non-existence is less and less realistic and reasonable, the more I understand Him, and the more my questions come together into a cohesive understanding. There was a time, in 2011, when I felt like I would never be able to believe, no matter how much I tried. But in the present, the reality of God seems so much more obvious to me now.

It's just something that takes a long time to develop, and wrestling with your doubts and questions will be apart of that development. But also understanding how your mind works and why you think things the way you do will also be apart of that.

I also had one more experience when God communicated to be in a very direct, blatant way. He suddenly warned me one day while I was walking outside about the darkness of a friend of mine. The next time I tried to contact this friend just to say hello, she was extremely spite and vindictive towards me in a way I would have never expected from her, and she has not changed in that in over 2 years. We had had some arguments before regarding difficulties in our interactions, but she always seemed to strive to be reasonable and civil, at worst just avoiding of issues. There was no reason at all to think she abruptly would change the way she did into an antagonistic way, that didn't seem in her character. It would have shocked me if God had not warned me beforehand.

Also, given that you are so concerned about believing, that strikes me as a very good sign that you are on the right path, even if you feel doubts and disbelief. Ultimately, it's about your choice to commit to God, even if you don't feel like you are consciously aware of His reality.

I've also heard of many accounts of people who wandered away from the truth, but came back to it later in life (sometimes much later). This is possibility is even acknowledged in the New Testament, as I recently noticed mentioned in James 5: 19 - 20.

If you are wanting more of a direct experience of God, then I would just pray on this and have patience. Sometimes, it can take a long time before God chooses to give one an experience of Him. But I believe He will give you one eventually.

Hey, thank you so much for replying to my post. Sorry it’s taken me a bit to get back, I just checked my emails and saw that I had a comment. For myself, I’ve noticed that these doubt have gotten worse, and it’s almost like I’m turning into what I feared most to be. But after doing some further research, I realize that I’ve had several moments in my life like this where, after a big event in my life happens, I break down into despair. I am naturally a more anxious person, I just think that’s the way I’m wired. I think a lot of this worry and this fear has come from the fact that I’m just prone more to that sort of thinking.

Really, it’s not that I doubt the things of the Bible, it’s that I doubt that I believe them. It’s not doubting God’s word, I’m worried that I don’t believe it. It’s almost like I’m on the outside, looking in and seeing the truth, and wanting to be there but I feel like I’m not able. Like I am locked out from being able to get into see it. It’s silly, because you’re right, there is no reason do you doubt the things that I do, because they’re reasonable explanations for that. The historical reality of Jesus Christ reason, the flood, things like that. Now, I understand that that is not saving faith, but there’s obvious explanations for things that we don’t understand in the word. Those things take time to figure out. I think that, knowing myself, I am more prone to be insecure and anxious, and I think that that’s where some of this comes in. It just really sucks, because I want to believe so bad, and I’m worried that I’m not submitting to him. Another thing that really worries me is my choice.

It makes me worried that I have a choice. I don’t trust myself and making the right decision, and I guess really of God never intervened, I couldn’t make the right decision in the first place. I understand that man’s responsibility and God’s sovereignty run hand-in-hand, and that’s not something that we can understand.

I do understand too, that God regenerates people, and gives them a desire to believe. Like Jesus is talking to Nicodemus in chapter 3 of John, you have to be born again.

I worried too, because now I don’t feel motivated to persevere. I know that God’s word is true, but I do baseba lot of things off my feelings. I just don’t know how to get around that.
 
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Hey guys.

My name is Abigail. For the past few months, I’ve been doubting. My doubts have grown so, that I’m not sure I can believe at this point. I’ve had people tell me to believe on Christ, and place my faith in Him. I don’t think I can, and let me explain.
Faith comes from Him. Ephesians say so, and I’m worried I don’t have that. I doubt so much, that I question even my own motives. “Do I truly want to believe?” Or even things that are obvious in my life, done by Him.

I sit under very sound teaching in a reformed church. I was involved in legalism before that, but God brought me to the truth. I know He did. Now, I even question the obvious things, and it scares the daylights out of me. The basics of the faith!

I’ve talked to so many people, and gotten so many different opinions. I’ve read so many books, I’ve prayed. I just don’t think I can believe, and I’m scared. I want to believe, but I even question that desire (which I know is God-given.) I’m so worried I’m an apostate, because I’m basically not believing what I know I’ve heard is true.

The Bible says even demons believe and shudder. I understand, intellectually, how well the Bible makes sense. I get it, I can talk apologetics all day long. It’s something deeper than that for me, and that’s what so frightening. I’m worried it’s a willful decision not to believe. As I said again, I believe in reformed theology. I know His word is true. It’s like I am disbelieving it, even though I don’t want to.

Please tell me there’s someone out there who can relate at all, who has gotten through something like this.
Welcome, and pleased to meet you.

If you didn't believe, you wouldn't be having all this worry and doubt. It is because you believe that you're worried.

Concerning the demons that believe, it really doesn't matter as no salvation is offered to them even though they believe. With us it is different. We believe and are born-again.

I noticed that you said you were involved in a form of legalism in the past. That is probably part of your problem now. Plus, any reformed Church I have been to has a certain legalistic tone about it. Some more than others. I sense this may be adding to your past experience. There is preaching the truth, and then preaching the truth. Take the woman in (John 8:1-11) taken in adultry. The Scribes and Pharisees taught the truth correctly. The Law said the woman is to be stoned. And they were under Law at that time. But Jesus said let him that is without sin cast the first stone. My point is this, there are those who teach the truth with rocks in their hand ready to throw at the believers. Then there are those who teach the truth, which is always coupled with mercy as Christ did. Just know this, and when preaching becomes condemning, it is not of God.

You say you are worried you are making a willful decision not to believe. What is the source of this worry? What makes you think you are making such a decision?

Quantrill
 
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Welcome, and pleased to meet you.

If you didn't believe, you wouldn't be having all this worry and doubt. It is because you believe that you're worried.

Concerning the demons that believe, it really doesn't matter as no salvation is offered to them even though they believe. With us it is different. We believe and are born-again.

I noticed that you said you were involved in a form of legalism in the past. That is probably part of your problem now. Plus, any reformed Church I have been to has a certain legalistic tone about it. Some more than others. I sense this may be adding to your past experience. There is preaching the truth, and then preaching the truth. Take the woman in (John 8:1-11) taken in adultry. The Scribes and Pharisees taught the truth correctly. The Law said the woman is to be stoned. And they were under Law at that time. But Jesus said let him that is without sin cast the first stone. My point is this, there are those who teach the truth with rocks in their hand ready to throw at the believers. Then there are those who teach the truth, which is always coupled with mercy as Christ did. Just know this, and when preaching becomes condemning, it is not of God.

You say you are worried you are making a willful decision not to believe. What is the source of this worry? What makes you think you are making such a decision?

Quantrill

Hey! Thank you so much. I appreciate the encouragement, but I’m not super sure. Yes sir, I was part of legalism in the past. The church should I go to now is a reformed church, but there’s no legalism whatsoever. It’s very much Christ and His mercy on us. It’s not a list of things you have to do, nothing like that. It’s by grace through faith, and that’s all.

Really, I’ve always been kind of indecisive and anxious my whole life. I think that that goes back to this. I understand that God gives us the faith to believe, as Ephesians says faith is a gift, but human will is mixed in with that. I don’t know how the two meet, I’m not God. But I know that the two are there!

My problem is we’re not this bad, it’s dwelling on them that’s made them worse. It sounds silly, because you just say to stop dwelling on them. But for me, I’ve had issues with obsessive thoughts in the past, and it’s very hard to stop dwelling on them. It’s like the scarier the thought is, the more I dwell on it. It terrifies me that I’m becoming an apostate, because I’ve heard the truth and I’m not willing to believe, or I’m denying it. I know it’s silly, because normally apostates wouldn’t be worried about something like that, but here I am.

I just want to believe, but I also have a lot of issues where I let my emotions run the show. Like for example, lately I’ve not been feeling like reading the word. I’ve not been feeling like praying, because I just don’t feel like I’m able to. But all of that is based on emotion, and I let my emotions get in the way a lot of what I should actually do.

It’s a choice, but my choice scares me.
 
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Hey! Thank you so much. I appreciate the encouragement, but I’m not super sure. Yes sir, I was part of legalism in the past. The church should I go to now is a reformed church, but there’s no legalism whatsoever. It’s very much Christ and His mercy on us. It’s not a list of things you have to do, nothing like that. It’s by grace through faith, and that’s all.

Really, I’ve always been kind of indecisive and anxious my whole life. I think that that goes back to this. I understand that God gives us the faith to believe, as Ephesians says faith is a gift, but human will is mixed in with that. I don’t know how the two meet, I’m not God. But I know that the two are there!

My problem is we’re not this bad, it’s dwelling on them that’s made them worse. It sounds silly, because you just say to stop dwelling on them. But for me, I’ve had issues with obsessive thoughts in the past, and it’s very hard to stop dwelling on them. It’s like the scarier the thought is, the more I dwell on it. It terrifies me that I’m becoming an apostate, because I’ve heard the truth and I’m not willing to believe, or I’m denying it. I know it’s silly, because normally apostates wouldn’t be worried about something like that, but here I am.

I just want to believe, but I also have a lot of issues where I let my emotions run the show. Like for example, lately I’ve not been feeling like reading the word. I’ve not been feeling like praying, because I just don’t feel like I’m able to. But all of that is based on emotion, and I let my emotions get in the way a lot of what I should actually do.

It’s a choice, but my choice scares me.
So glad to hear your church teaches the grace of God.

You say your choice scares you. I would ask, have you ever chosen Jesus Christ? Have you ever come to Christ?

Yes, both God and our will become involved in our salvation. The two meet perfectly. Yes, God gives us the faith to believe. Then, yes, we exercise our will and believe. Both are involved.

Note these verses where this is played out. Concerning God's part : (John 6:44) "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:..." But then concerning our part : (John 6:37) "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

"Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" Is this true...or not?

Are you saying your emotions are what make you feel like you are making a willful decision not to believe? If so, why? What are your emotions reacting to. Emotion reacts to things. What are you reacting to?

Quantrill
 
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Romans 10:17
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.


seems to me if we immerse ourself in the word we will get faith, how much time do you spend studying the word of God??

Seeking we will receive

Matthew 7:7-11
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
 
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Truly it’s my nerves. It’s like I know the truth, but I’m afraid I’ve not submitted and believed. I’m terrified, because I doubt too, and how can I come to Christ and believe if doubt?

I’m so terrified.
 
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Yes, I’ve asked Him to save me so many times. I’m in the word daily, though it’s so hard. I try to pray a lot, but it’s become so difficult.
 
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Serving others is one the best ways to take any worry away from yourself, something miraculous happens when we serve others. Has helped me greatly.
 
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Serving others is one the best ways to take any worry away from yourself, something miraculous happens when we serve others. Has helped me greatly.

Yes, I’ve heard that. I need to stop looking at myself! It’s like I know my thoughts are irrational, and I have no reason to doubt, yet I still do.


I’m so introspective. And I’m scared I’m just slowly sinking away. I know it’s all about loving Christ, and I’m just afraid I don’t.
 
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Truly it’s my nerves. It’s like I know the truth, but I’m afraid I’ve not submitted and believed. I’m terrified, because I doubt too, and how can I come to Christ and believe if doubt?

I’m so terrified.
Yes, I’ve asked Him to save me so many times. I’m in the word daily, though it’s so hard. I try to pray a lot, but it’s become so difficult.
You say you have not submitted and believed, but you have as you asked Him to save you. If you don't believe why are you in the Word? See, you do believe. And because you believe, you are saved.

If you feel you lack a love for Christ, don't worry. He doesn't ask you to love Him to be saved. He loves first. Our love comes later as we walk with Him. (1 John 4:10)

I do sense that you still struggle with your legalistic background. I believe your expectations of what you need to be as a Christian far exceed what a Christian is. And though you say your Reformed Church teaches grace, I am skeptical as no reformed church I ever visited was without a certain degree of legalism. Believers can make a law out of grace pretty easily.

Could you explain the grace of God that your church teaches and how you understand it?

Quantrill
 
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You say you have not submitted and believed, but you have as you asked Him to save you. If you don't believe why are you in the Word? See, you do believe. And because you believe, you are saved.

If you feel you lack a love for Christ, don't worry. He doesn't ask you to love Him to be saved. He loves first. Our love comes later as we walk with Him. (1 John 4:10)

I do sense that you still struggle with your legalistic background. I believe your expectations of what you need to be as a Christian far exceed what a Christian is. And though you say your Reformed Church teaches grace, I am skeptical as no reformed church I ever visited was without a certain degree of legalism. Believers can make a law out of grace pretty easily.

Could you explain the grace of God that your church teaches and how you understand it?

Quantrill
Well, the church that I attend now does not follow Route four in theology. We do you teach things like predestination, but we don’t follow to look for anything like that. It’s not legalistic at all. By grace through faith in Christ alone. That’s all, that’s all my pastor preaches. So, I wouldn’t say we’re really really formed. I would say that we follow what the Bible teaches about predestination and how God draws people to himself. But we also teach that you are supposed to repent and believe, human will and God’s sovereignty go hand-in-hand, but it’s not something we can understand this side of heaven.

I know that Roman says whoever calls in the name of the Lord will be saved. And I’ve called on him and asked him to save me, I just worry that I don’t believe it all. I’m constantly worried about something, whether it’s how much faith I have, or what I believe. I always seem to be worried about that. I worry that I don’t love Christ enough, or I don’t love them at all. I worry that I’m making salvation too difficult, when it supposed to be easy. I worry that I can’t submit to Christ or that I won’t, because I’m a sinful human being.

It’s like I put my thoughts above his thoughts. I’ll read the word, and even though I know it’s truth I think, “do I really believe that. Or, how do I feel about this or that.” When, word doesn’t depend on whether I believe it or not. Even if I didn’t exist, his word would still be the same. It’s prideful, but it’s like I cannot get past it!!

It’s like I know the answers to the questions that I’m having, and I understand I need to replace These lies with God’s word, but I get apathetic and then I get upset with myself that I don’t do it. I’m just in like this really weird cycle. I’m constantly looking at myself, and introspection is going to kill me.
 
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Well, the church that I attend now does not follow Route four in theology. We do you teach things like predestination, but we don’t follow to look for anything like that. It’s not legalistic at all. By grace through faith in Christ alone. That’s all, that’s all my pastor preaches. So, I wouldn’t say we’re really really formed. I would say that we follow what the Bible teaches about predestination and how God draws people to himself. But we also teach that you are supposed to repent and believe, human will and God’s sovereignty go hand-in-hand, but it’s not something we can understand this side of heaven.

I know that Roman says whoever calls in the name of the Lord will be saved. And I’ve called on him and asked him to save me, I just worry that I don’t believe it all. I’m constantly worried about something, whether it’s how much faith I have, or what I believe. I always seem to be worried about that. I worry that I don’t love Christ enough, or I don’t love them at all. I worry that I’m making salvation too difficult, when it supposed to be easy. I worry that I can’t submit to Christ or that I won’t, because I’m a sinful human being.

It’s like I put my thoughts above his thoughts. I’ll read the word, and even though I know it’s truth I think, “do I really believe that. Or, how do I feel about this or that.” When, word doesn’t depend on whether I believe it or not. Even if I didn’t exist, his word would still be the same. It’s prideful, but it’s like I cannot get past it!!

It’s like I know the answers to the questions that I’m having, and I understand I need to replace These lies with God’s word, but I get apathetic and then I get upset with myself that I don’t do it. I’m just in like this really weird cycle. I’m constantly looking at myself, and introspection is going to kill me.

Goodness. We don’t follow TULIP. I wouldn’t say we’re hardcore reformed! We’re not confessional or anything like tha.


My typos were so bad, I’m sorry! Siri is not good at her job. The first three sentences of my reply were totally butchered.
 
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Truly it’s my nerves. It’s like I know the truth, but I’m afraid I’ve not submitted and believed. I’m terrified, because I doubt too, and how can I come to Christ and believe if doubt?

I’m so terrified.
My friend, there is no such thing as unbelief...You believe God, or you believe the enemy, or you simply believe yourself, your own thoughts. Choose who you will believe. If you choose to believe God, then the devil is a liar and a killer...If you believe the devil, then God is the liar. Yourself? Like me, your thoughts are only on believing God or the devil. No lie. So...
Get into the Word. Put aside ALL other reading material and read the Word. Out loud! Reading the Word out loud serves more than one purpose. First; There are only three voices your spirit will believe Yours, Gods, and the devils..Learn all three because all three are talkin to you all the time. Gods voice is in the Word. Read it and you will hear it. But the first voice your spirit will believe is YOUR VOICE. You read the Word aloud and your ears hear your voice, your spirit hears your voice, and believes what you are saying. Read the Word aloud.
Second..Reading the Word aloud will set up a barrier that Satan has to run from. He cannot stand the Word, and he cannot stand against it.
Three...When your spirit believes the Word that you are reading, it gets stronger and stronger in faith is God, eventually making you a mighty warrior for Him.
Four... You will learn to live in His love for you all your days.
 
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I worry that I can’t submit to Christ or that I won’t, because I’m a sinful human being.
Because you are a sinful human being is why you do submit to Christ. Because you are a sinner, you are in good shape because God has made provision for that. If you want to be good first and pleasing to God before you come to Him, He has no provision for that.

How do you see the Christian in his daily walk with God? What do you, or your church, expect to see ?

Quantrill
 
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