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Don’t be lured away from the simplicity of Christ like many are for the pursuit of knowledge

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After debating on a thread posted by an apostate who abandoned God because she claimed to have better knowledge about reality, I feel the need to warn the body of Christ about the deception that has been warned about in the Gospel.

Apostle Paul warned about being lured away from the simplicity of Christ. The simplicity of Christ is to love God and obey His command to love others. Any other knowledge that opposes this is false knowledge. Any additional knowledge is only there to make people proud.

Atheists and people like NYQueens977 are deceived because they pursue knowledge that is useless in making them better persons. How does knowing how the universe is formed, for instance, make people more righteous? It doesn’t, that kind of knowledge only leads to pride and arrogance, and Satan loves to draw people away from God using this pursuit of knowledge as bait.

Almost every single cult and secret religion makes this claim of having superior knowledge. Because their drive is to get superior knowledge and not about being more righteous, Satan draws them away with pride and they forsake the truth for a lie. But the Christian faith, at its core, is about having the truth so we can practice righteousness. Let this be our drive and not the pursuit of fruitless knowledge.
 
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Knowledge can be false, misused and even twisted. The empty pursuit of knowledge (from a heart of pride) without a purpose as to what to do with that knowledge leads to deception and corruption, just like what happened to Eve in the garden of Eden. Like the Gospel said, knowledge puffs up and leads to pride which is in itself sinful. NYQueens977 and many other atheists who claim to be in continuous pursuit of knowledge do so to their own detriment and fall into Satan’s trap of pride.

God gives us just enough knowledge and wisdom for us to live as godly people, otherwise any knowledge is useless when it is not going to educate us on how to live godly lives. Beware not to fall into the trap of pursuing endless knowledge when it leads to nothing but a prideful attitude.
 
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be warned, all these famous people mentioned are apostate and these videos prove it. Very dangerous, as they are promoting the anti christ and the new age Jesus.
 
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I don't know who posted this, but I have a short story that can kinda start a discussion, maybe? I started to write this as a hypothetical but kinda got carried away. I know it's crap, but I think I managed to get the idea across. If you don't want to read the whole thing, then the basic idea is that the truth should never be afraid of new knowledge or scrutiny. If someone tells you that the sky is green, no matter what they say or argue, it will never change the fact that the sky is actually blue. If someone tells you that there's no god, then no matter what they say, or what you read, or what you learn, it shouldn't change the fact that there is a god, specifically the christian God. But you can't prove that there's a god, and the evidence you have for god is flimsy and fallacious at best, and child's play to rebuttal at it's worst. This is why so many christians are afraid of reading scholarly articles, or science journals, or anything that may threaten their idea of God.

You have been told all your life to never look up at the sky. For as long as you can remember, you've always kept your eyes glued to the ground. Even when you're talking to someone, your eyes are always glued to the ground. They've even made these hats to cover your head, to remove the temptation of ever looking up to the the sky and prevent any accidents.
And for most of your life, this was normal. You followed this simple rule without question. It was simple enough, no?
Now you're an adult. But even as an adult you still cling onto this simple rule. Never look up to the sky. You even have a child now, and you are teaching her the same thing that your parents taught you. "Never, under any circumstances, shall you look up to the sky."
"But why?" She asks.
A simple question, but you feel your gut twist at the sound of it. You're almost tempted to slap her for her insolence, but you don't. You're a good parent, and you calmly teach her, just as your parents calmly taught you.
"Because you're not supposed to. There are rules that people need to follow, like how you have to wait at the crosswalk before crossing the street. These rules keep us safe. If you look up, you'll be breaking these rules that me, my parents, grandparents, great grandparents, and all of our other ancestors had put in place for us." You adjust the cap on your daughters head and kiss her on her nose. "Have a little faith, dear."
You feel proud. You feel as if you had made yet another contribution to your society- no, to your world. Not only had you quietly obeyed the rules you had been brought up with, but now you are bringing up yet another member of society with these same rules. You are now contributing another soul to this imperfect world.
You go to work, your eyes glued to the ground. From your peripheral you see the other adults doing the same. This is comfortable. This is normal. What isn't normal is that one man you always see on your way to work. The hopeless man. You've cruelly nicknamed him Hope. His eyes are not fixated to the ground, but are looking upward. How unnatural. How you can see his neck, his adam's apple bobbed up and down as he sang joyously, it's maddening. You lower your head further, adjusting your cap to block out Hope. Just another day on the trains, you suppose.
You're not the one to judge.
During dinner, your daughter asks you something that makes all life in your hands go numb. You drop your fork on the mashed potatoes. You'll have to clean that up later, but that's not what's important now.
"What color do you think the sky is?" Your daughter asks.
You nearly choke on your own saliva. What does that matter?
"What does it matter?" You pick your fork back up and wipe away the potatoes with a tissue. "What color the sky is or isn't has nothing to do with us," you calmly explain.
"But why? Why can't we look up at the sky?" Your daughter pleads. You can't help but chuckle. It's just a phase you think to yourself while thinking back to when you were that age. Hopelessly curious about the world.
After dinner, you sit your daughter down on your lap and tell her a story.
"Once, there was a man," you start. Your daughter's eyes are fixated on yours, fascinated. "He was a humble man. There was nothing remarkable about him, nothing aside from his pure heart and gentle soul.
One day, two entities called Sun and Moon began to fight, tired of working day in and day out with no break. The fighting went on for months, and in those months there was nothing but chaos and confusion. Sometimes, the ground would be illuminated by the Sun entity for a few minutes, only to be replaced with the darkness of the Moon entity. Sometimes it was the other way around. Other times, there would be nothing but blackness.
The fighting went on for so long, the people began to feel restless. But what could they do? Everyone was too afraid to confront the entities in their battle, all except one man, the man with a heart of gold and steel. He climbed up the highest mountain and confronted the entities on behalf of humanity, and proposed a treaty. For half a day, the Sun entity will have dominion over the earth, and for the second half, the Moon entity will have dominion.
The Sun and Moon agreed to these conditions, but under the condition that no man may ever gaze upon their power. The Sun and Moon agreed that they did not need worship for their hard work, but the least Mankind could do would be to revere the promise between the gods and man. By averting your gaze, you are remembering this promise and respecting the work of the gods who work tirelessly each and every day.
The man promised this. But just to make sure the man remembers his promise, the Moon entity burned his eyes out, blinding him forever.
The man came back down from the mountain, blinded, and told humanity the news, and from that point on, no man ever dared to look up to the sky and dishonor the work of the gods."
Your daughter looks up to you, albeit a bit confused, so you elaborate further.
"This sounds like a tall tale, but I can promise you that science agrees with this. If you look up to the sky, it does something to your head," you poke your daughters head playfully. "You start to go mad, you see? Claiming things that aren't there, like, what was it that one man said?" You tap your chin, "orbs. Thousands of orbs in the darkness. Can you believe it?" You laugh, and your daughter joins in. "And if you continue to stare hard enough, your eyes will go blind, just like the man in the story."
Your daughter covers her eyes in shock. You're certain that this story would quench her curiosity. You know that it did for yourself. You give your daughter a kiss on her forehead, proud of her receptiveness, and take her to bed.
The next day, after sending your daughter to school, you start to commute to work. There are arrows and signs on the ground to help aid you, but you lose track. There's hope again, sitting on the bench, his head is turned upwards. How unnatural, you think to yourself. There's a thought that crosses your mind, albeit briefly. "It's a miracle he hasn't gone blind yet." You adjust your cap again and continue on your way to work.
"You know what my son asked me today before I sent him off?" One of your coworkers start to gossip, and you can't help but listen in. "He told me 'daddy, I think the sky is purple." He had your curiosity, but now he had your full attention. "He told me that it had to be purple, because purple is his favorite color, and it would be neat if the sky was his favorite color," he guffawed, and you scoffed at the idea.
"What did you tell him?" A female coworker asked. He shrugged and chuckled loudly. "I told him that the color of the sky doesn't matter." You nod your head in agreement. "And that there are more important things to worry about than that. You know he broke his hat? The third one this week, too."
Work was going smoothly. You look across your desk and see your other coworker. Something was bothering her. You'd never talked to her before, but you still ask her if anything was wrong.
"Nothing," she stutters. "It's just that, a lot of kids these days are asking about it, you know?"
"My daughter is the same way," you say with a humorous chuckle. "I was too. I wouldn't worry about it. They'll grow out of it eventually. The truth always wins out."
"But what if they have a point?" She asks, and you freeze. That same feeling in your gut, as if someone had punched you in the stomach and twisted your intestines. It made your heart pound, it made your head dizzy. It made you feel sick.
"Aren't you a bit too old to be asking these sort of things? Children, understandable. They're still learning. But you?" You scoff, and your coworker sinks into her chair.
"Why can't we look up to the sky?" She asks.
"Because it's not good for you?" You reply plainly.
"Says who?"
You stop typing away at your computer."The old stories, recent stories of people going mad, scientists."
Your coworker laughed. "How can I trust a scientist who knows so much about the sky, and yet has never looked up to the sky in his life?"
You freeze. You think about that question for a while, although you try to dismiss it. As you walk to your train to get back home, you feel a few drops land on your head. It was raining. On your way back you come across a Pizzeria. It's the same Pizzeria that you'd come across a thousand times.
Say you wanted to tell someone to try a pizza. You try to explain to them the taste, and the texture of pizza, but you'd never had pizza before in your life. How can you explain something you'd never tasted? How can you explain something you'd never seen.
On the way back you see Hope, sitting on his usual bench, looking up to the sky.
"Tell me," you say to Hope, your eyes are glued to the floor, just as you'd been taught. "What does it look like?" You ask. You see his feet shift, his toes pointed towards you.
"Why does it matter to you?" He asked. Why did it matter? It was wrong, morally, physically, emotionally wrong. You shouldn't have asked. You walk away, your heart beating against your chest, the feeling of guilt coming over you for committing such a taboo. It's sickening.
All her life she'd been taught a single truth: it's forbidden to look up to the sky. There were always answers to her questions, and those answers seemed to evolve as she grew older. When the tall tales of the blind man with the good heart didn't cut it, her parents exposed her to the science. When the science didn't seem to make sense, she'd been taught logic and philosophy.
What is the sky but a flame that you cannot touch?
If she looked up to the sky, she would get hurt. It would blind her, if not physically, then mentally. Mentally blind her to the reality that she'd been brought up in.
If this was the truth, then why had you been discouraged from looking further? Why had you been taught to keep your eyes glued to the ground?
You remember asking your parents if the sky had a color. They were probably just as shocked as you were when your own child asked you the same question. You understood that now.
"Orange," your mother replied passively, but was immediately hushed by her husband, your father, before he sat you down and explained the story, the science, and the sickness of those who disobey.
But as you thought about it, things stopped making sense. Who was Sun and Moon, and why did they not like it when they were seen? Why did they fight? Who was the man whose heart was made of gold, and why did Sun and Moon blind him? How was he able to talk to these gods anyway?
You sat in your study and jotted these questions down. Maybe by writing them you'll have answers, but you didn't. What about what your coworker said about science? That didn't make sense either. Nothing was making sense.
You called your parents, your teachers, your closest friends. But no one could give you a straight answer. "That's just how it is, it's better to be safe than sorry, why does it matter?"
But why?
After kissing your daughter goodbye for school you walked over to the train station for your daily commute. Your eyes glued to the floor, just as it always was. You then see Hope standing by his usual bench in your peripheral, and he's talking to some officers.
"You're causing a ruckus, sir," one of them said.
"Can you please look up somewhere else, where you're not bother the other passengers?"
You walk over to the scene.
"He's not doing anything wrong," you tell the officer. "If he wants to blind himself, that's his business."
"I'm sorry, but this doesn't concern you," the officer tells you. Nothing seems to concern you.
Hope looks down and raised his hands in defeat. "There," he said with a chuckle. "It's no problem. I don't want to cause any trouble."
"What color is it?" You ask him. "Please, for my daughter. She's been curious."
"That has nothing to do with you."
"It has everything to do with me." You reply. "I want to know the truth. I want to know if looking up will truly make me go mad, or blind, or both, but I'm afraid. What if I'm wrong and I do go mad? I have a daughter to take care of, I have a house to maintain, and a job to go to. If I'm wrong, I could lose everything."
"Do you think I'm mad?" Hope asked.
"A little." You reply.
"I think it is maddening, going against what everyone tells you. Going against what you'd been taught as truth, and being told everyday how blind you are, how deluded you are. How at first it's your mind, and next thing you know, whether it may be today, tomorrow, or after, your eyes will be next. It's maddening, I tell you, how a large group of people had been told all their lives that the sky, something as natural as the grass you step on and the air you breathe, is dangerous to your mind, body, and soul, and everyone believes it without question. Because questions lead to doubts, and doubts lead to isolation from the rest of the pact, and no one wants to be isolated." The man sighed and looked up once again.
"If you'd been told all your life that something is true, then the truth should not be afraid of questions and scrutiny. If I told you that grass you walk on is blue, then no matter what mental acrobatics I pull, or whatever arguments I make, it would never change the fact that grass is green."
You can feel the Bright hit against your neck, burning. You can't even imagine what it would do to your eyes if you looked up, but you need to know the truth. You need to know whether or not everything you'd been taught had been a lie.
So you take your cap off, and you look up to the forbidden sky.
It's blue.
 
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The truth is written as Gods word, its there for all to see, and its called the bible. Read it. Dont rely on man for its interprertation, pray and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. The truth must be told. To many are falling away into apostasy, and its terrifying. They need the truth.
 
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I've read it. I'd give it a 5 out of 10.
so if your an atheist why are you here? Let me now share a story. Back in the 70s until the late 90s we had two long distance bus manufacturers, Denning and Domino Industries (later Austral) , Both very competitive, and similar mechanically. However it was rare to see both brands in the one fleet, your a denning man or an Austral man. However, I never came across an Austral supporter at a Denning dealership actively criticizing Dennings product. If you dont like Denning, go buy an Austral, bit dont come to our dealership and tell our customers what bus to buy. Your welcome.
 
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so if your an atheist why are you here? Let me now share a story. Back in the 70s until the late 90s we had two long distance bus manufacturers, Denning and Domino Industries (later Austral) , Both very competitive, and similar mechanically. However it was rare to see both brands in the one fleet, your a denning man or an Austral man. However, I never came across an Austral supporter at a Denning dealership actively criticizing Dennings product. If you dont like Denning, go buy an Austral, bit dont come to our dealership and tell our customers what bus to buy. Your welcome.
Going by your analogy, I'm not going to a Denning to tell customers to shop at Austral. If I'm the Austral person, then I'm the person that's comparing the two businesses, analyzing the types and models and trying to decide which one I would support. But customers know that I am an Austral person, and they actively ask me why I choose Austral over Dennings, in which I tell them honestly why I chose Austral over Dennings. Sometimes my points are convincing, sometimes they're not, and that's okay. I'm not there to convince anyone regardless. I'm just there to look at the buses and talk business.
I'm an agnostic because I don't believe there is sufficient evidence to either prove or disprove the existence of a god, let alone the Christian God. I've gone over the evidence, the arguments, everything, and remain unconvinced. If you want to talk to me about what I'm learning, then I'm more than happy to engage in a productive conversation. I'm here because the threads are interesting and I have friends on here. So if this was your way of saying that an agnostic or an atheist has no business posting on a Christian forum, then I'm afraid to say that you're sadly mistaken.
 
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Going by your analogy, I'm not going to a Denning to tell customers to shop at Austral. If I'm the Austral person, then I'm the person that's comparing the two businesses, analyzing the types and models and trying to decide which one I would support. But customers know that I am an Austral person, and they actively ask me why I choose Austral over Dennings, in which I tell them honestly why I chose Austral over Dennings. Sometimes my points are convincing, sometimes they're not, and that's okay. I'm not there to convince anyone regardless. I'm just there to look at the buses and talk business.
I'm an agnostic because I don't believe there is sufficient evidence to either prove or disprove the existence of a god, let alone the Christian God. I've gone over the evidence, the arguments, everything, and remain unconvinced. If you want to talk to me about what I'm learning, then I'm more than happy to engage in a productive conversation. I'm here because the threads are interesting and I have friends on here. So if this was your way of saying that an agnostic or an atheist has no business posting on a Christian forum, then I'm afraid to say that you're sadly mistaken.
Dear NYQueens977,
If the resurrection of Jesus Christ doesn't convince you, what would? But even before that. How is it that you became Agnostic?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Dear NYQueens977,
If the resurrection of Jesus Christ doesn't convince you, what would? But even before that. How is it that you became Agnostic?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Hi Nick. I actually made a thread called A Letter from an Apostate, which attempts to explain my thought process as to how I eventually came to agnosticism. It's pretty long and reads more like a rant, but to sum it up, I had questions with no acceptable answers. I saw holes that I couldn't ignore in the Bible and realized that, for a book that it supposed to be divine or divinely inspired, it reads more like a book made by ancient people for ancient people. But I don't believe it's possible to completely discount the existence of a god or supernatural power. I also don't believe that it's possible to prove that there is a god with the science and technology that we have now. Hence why I'm Agnostic.
 
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Hi Nick. I actually made a thread called A Letter from an Apostate, which attempts to explain my thought process as to how I eventually came to agnosticism. It's pretty long and reads more like a rant, but to sum it up, I had questions with no acceptable answers. I saw holes that I couldn't ignore in the Bible and realized that, for a book that it supposed to be divine or divinely inspired, it reads more like a book made by ancient people for ancient people. But I don't believe it's possible to completely discount the existence of a god or supernatural power. I also don't believe that it's possible to prove that there is a god with the science and technology that we have now. Hence why I'm Agnostic.
Dear NYQueens977,
Rather than derail this thread, I'll go over to your "rant" thread :) and reply there.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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The truth is written as Gods word, its there for all to see, and its called the bible. Read it. Dont rely on man for its interprertation, pray and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. The truth must be told. To many are falling away into apostasy, and its terrifying. They need the truth.
This is a promise by the Word of God that these things will happen, so we are commanded to rejoice, for our redemption is near. God does not rely upon us to tell his truth or Get His truth out, He adds to the Body, If the labors are few, pray to the LORD OF THE HARVEST and he will add. Jesus said: "I WILL" singular not plural, Build "My Congregation". and nothing can stop it, or destroy it or slow the grow down. God Plan is right on course.

Remember, "His ways are not our ways, His thoughts are not our thoughts" [The ways we see it to be successful, is not HIs ways of being "Successful".]

How do we know these things? because we read "The Bible" and The Holy Spirit reveals this truth, through Christ "The WORD of GOD" to "us" and not to them. Yes they have Eyes to see but they cannot see, for the God of this world has blinded them, And we must also remember, Men and women, love darkness rather than Light. :cool: because their deeds are evil! And we must believe this, no matter how beautiful she looks and the kindness of her words or how much money he has, orhow he is respected in the community, although you might not see their wicked acts, "you walk by faith [trust]. Meaning "you believe and trust what the "Word of God" has said, about the unbelievers and The "Nominal christians"!

would not you agree? but we still must pray for them, Some may call this a "paradox" but we call it "The Will of God" for us.
 
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so if your an atheist why are you here? Let me now share a story. Back in the 70s until the late 90s we had two long distance bus manufacturers, Denning and Domino Industries (later Austral) , Both very competitive, and similar mechanically. However it was rare to see both brands in the one fleet, your a denning man or an Austral man. However, I never came across an Austral supporter at a Denning dealership actively criticizing Dennings product. If you dont like Denning, go buy an Austral, bit dont come to our dealership and tell our customers what bus to buy. Your welcome.
You will notice one very strange phenomenon among atheists or those who hate God. They are adamant that God does not exist, but yet they openly engage in countless pointless debates about why there is no God.

You won’t ever see atheists and God-haters starting debates about why fairies or goblins don’t exist because the logical reaction to something that doesn’t exist is to have no conversations about it. But in the matter of God their logic goes out the window and they wave their fists in contempt and anger as though they need the whole world to be convinced that there is no God.

That can only mean they are having cognitive dissonance, deep in their conscience/psyche they know there is a God, but that God is not the god they want because of their evil hearts. They want to have nothing to do with Him, they despise His law, reject His authority and have no interest in knowing Him. That is why you see them on forums like this.
 
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You will notice one very strange phenomenon among atheists or those who hate God. They are adamant that God does not exist, but yet they openly engage in countless pointless debates about why there is no God.

You won’t ever see atheists and God-haters starting debates about why fairies or goblins don’t exist because the logical reaction to something that doesn’t exist is to have no conversations about it. But in the matter of God their logic goes out the window and they wave their fists in contempt and anger as though they need the whole world to be convinced that there is no God.

That can only mean they are having cognitive dissonance, deep in their conscience/psyche they know there is a God, but that God is not the god they want because of their evil hearts. They want to have nothing to do with Him, they despise His law, reject His authority and have no interest in knowing Him. That is why you see them on forums like this.
I also percieve it to be demonic. Its a way Satan can attack us by being a thorn in our side. Wasting time and energy on someone who is never going to repent and accept the truth.
 
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I also percieve it to be demonic. Its a way Satan can attack us by being a thorn in our side. Wasting time and energy on someone who is never going to repent and accept the truth.
It is definitely demonic, the demonic realm is known to stir up people’s emotions of hate, anger, contempt etc even when it makes no sense for such emotions to be there. It makes no sense for atheists to be so worked up emotionally about what they believe don’t even exist but yet they are always emotionally driven when debating the existence of God, very telling what is really influencing them.
 
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