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Does sickness, disease come from God?

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Deut 28:27; "The LORD will smite you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors and with the scab and with the itch, from which you cannot be healed.
1Sam 5:6; Now the hand of the LORD was heavy on the Ashdodites, and He ravaged them and smote them with tumors, both Ashdod and its territories.
1Sam 5:9; After they had brought it around, the hand of the LORD was against the city with very great confusion; and He smote the men of the city, both young and old, so that tumors broke out on them.
1Sam 5:12; And the men who did not die were smitten with tumors and the cry of the city went up to heaven.

I've heard a few "Word of Faith" preachers say lately that God wants everyone to be healed. Everyone, no matter what.
Now I'm not against miraculous healing at all. But I think it's a pretty good stretch to say God wants everyone to be healthy all the time.

Psa 32:3; When I kept silent about my sin, my body wasted away Through my groaning all day long.

Jas 5:16; Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

Confess your sins.. so that you may be healed. What if I don't confess? Will God still heal me?

1Cor 11:27; Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
1Cor 11:28; But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
1Cor 11:29; For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
1Cor 11:30; For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.
1Cor 11:31; But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged.

For this reason... many are sick among you. ( and a number sleep )
Perhaps God didn't cause these people to be sick, perhaps He just with-holds healing from them. But either way, doing unworthy actions caused them
to be sick (or in some cases, even death ).

Then there is the ever controversial thorn in the flesh passage.

2Cor 12:7; Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me—to keep me from exalting myself!
2Cor 12:8; Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me.
2Cor 12:9; And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.

Paul says he prayed 3 times for this physical ailment to leave him. But God didn't heal him, he simply said "My grace is sufficient".
Does God really want "everyone" to be healed, no matter what?

In the old testament we had verses like..

Deut 28:61; "Also every sickness and every plague which, not written in the book of this law, the LORD will bring on you until you are destroyed.

But in the New Testament we have verses like...

Rev 2:21; 'I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality.
Rev 2:22; 'Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
Rev 2:23; 'And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.

This is Jesus Himself speaking here. Then we have...

Rev 22:18; I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;
Rev 22:19; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

I've heard some preachers say, sickness doesn't come from God. He can't give you what He doesn't have.
Perhaps, but even so. He either causes or allows people to be sick and have plagues. In the end they are sick and have diseases either way.

I just don't see that God wants everyone to be healed no matter what here.
Now I suppose it could be argued, God wants everyone to repent and be healed. I would even agree to that.
But for now, not everyone is going to repent, and there are some consequences. (temporary in this life, eternal in the next life).

John 5:13; But the man who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had slipped away while there was a crowd in that place.
John 5:14; Afterward Jesus *found him in the temple and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you."

Jesus tells this man, don't sin anymore.. or you will be become infirmed again. Possibly even worse than before.
 
What about mental health? Does God cause some to be mentally ill or unstable?

1Sam 16:14; Now the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD terrorized him.
1Sam 16:15; Saul's servants then said to him, "Behold now, an evil spirit from God is terrorizing you.

1Sam 19:9; Now there was an evil spirit from the LORD on Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand, and David was playing the harp with his hand.

Nebuchadnezzar was in wilderness eating grass for seven years. Something a seemingly sane person would not do.

Dan 4:24; this is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the Most High, which has come upon my lord the king:
Dan 4:25; that you be driven away from mankind and your dwelling place be with the beasts of the field, and you be given grass to eat like cattle and be drenched with the dew of heaven; and seven periods of time will pass over you, until you recognize that the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind and bestows it on whomever He wishes.
Dan 4:26; 'And in that it was commanded to leave the stump with the roots of the tree, your kingdom will be assured to you after you recognize that it is Heaven that rules.
Dan 4:27; 'Therefore, O king, may my advice be pleasing to you: break away now from your sins by doing righteousness and from your iniquities by showing mercy to the poor, in case there may be a prolonging of your prosperity.'
Dan 4:28; "All this happened to Nebuchadnezzar the king.
 
Deut 28:27; "The LORD will smite you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors and with the scab and with the itch, from which you cannot be healed.
1Sam 5:6; Now the hand of the LORD was heavy on the Ashdodites, and He ravaged them and smote them with tumors, both Ashdod and its territories.
1Sam 5:9; After they had brought it around, the hand of the LORD was against the city with very great confusion; and He smote the men of the city, both young and old, so that tumors broke out on them.
1Sam 5:12; And the men who did not die were smitten with tumors and the cry of the city went up to heaven.

I've heard a few "Word of Faith" preachers say lately that God wants everyone to be healed. Everyone, no matter what.
Now I'm not against miraculous healing at all. But I think it's a pretty good stretch to say God wants everyone to be healthy all the time.

Psa 32:3; When I kept silent about my sin, my body wasted away Through my groaning all day long.

Jas 5:16; Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

Confess your sins.. so that you may be healed. What if I don't confess? Will God still heal me?

1Cor 11:27; Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
1Cor 11:28; But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
1Cor 11:29; For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
1Cor 11:30; For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.
1Cor 11:31; But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged.

For this reason... many are sick among you. ( and a number sleep )
Perhaps God didn't cause these people to be sick, perhaps He just with-holds healing from them. But either way, doing unworthy actions caused them
to be sick (or in some cases, even death ).

Then there is the ever controversial thorn in the flesh passage.

2Cor 12:7; Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me—to keep me from exalting myself!
2Cor 12:8; Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me.
2Cor 12:9; And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.

Paul says he prayed 3 times for this physical ailment to leave him. But God didn't heal him, he simply said "My grace is sufficient".
Does God really want "everyone" to be healed, no matter what?

In the old testament we had verses like..

Deut 28:61; "Also every sickness and every plague which, not written in the book of this law, the LORD will bring on you until you are destroyed.

But in the New Testament we have verses like...

Rev 2:21; 'I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality.
Rev 2:22; 'Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
Rev 2:23; 'And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.


This is Jesus Himself speaking here. Then we have...

Rev 22:18; I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;
Rev 22:19; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

I've heard some preachers say, sickness doesn't come from God. He can't give you what He doesn't have.
Perhaps, but even so. He either causes or allows people to be sick and have plagues. In the end they are sick and have diseases either way.

I just don't see that God wants everyone to be healed no matter what here.
Now I suppose it could be argued, God wants everyone to repent and be healed. I would even agree to that.
But for now, not everyone is going to repent, and there are some consequences. (temporary in this life, eternal in the next life).

John 5:13; But the man who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had slipped away while there was a crowd in that place.
John 5:14; Afterward Jesus *found him in the temple and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you."

Jesus tells this man, don't sin anymore.. or you will be become infirmed again. Possibly even worse than before.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Colossians 1:15-18 NIV

It looks like God and Jesus created everything, literally everything, including Satan, his demons and cohorts and of course the consequences of rejecting God and following him. Like us, Satan is unable to create. God created weeds, thorns and thistles Genesis 3:17-19 and doubtless He also created viruses, bacteria, infections, deformity and other ailments including the aging process. These are an endemic consequence of sin and in the passages you quote God uses these to bring about punishment for specific sins, as well as Numbers 25:9 but on the whole disease and sickness is as a result of our imperfection pending our being made perfect and presented to God Ephesians 5:27.
 
IMO, the answer isn't so easy.
The Fall is the result of such things. In all of Creation, all actions be them conscious by living things or by random things are of God. To think, He makes people sick on purpose directly doesn't add up.
Until He comes back, then no one is going to be immune to anything. He gave us an immune system for many reasons. Adam and Eve had them and at first there was no need for it. Inference would suggest that after the Fall, their immune system "woke up" as they didn't have the divine protection or perfection any more.
We must remind ourselves that our lives are short and finite. This isn't our home. Someone quoted once that being "alive" is akin to being on an extended camping trip. Our true home is with our Father and we should plan for going home.
 

Does sickness, disease come from God?​


NO, in this day of age, it comes from Big Food, Big Pharma and Big Tech, translated into sugary diet, overmedication and sedentary lifestyle. Please, don't dig another rabbit hole, just give credits to whom credits are due.
 
Greetings all,

what sort of fuel do you put in your truck?


Bless you ....><>

And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you: and heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luke 10:8-9

And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through Thy name. And He said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you;

but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Luke 10:17-20
 
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