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Deut 28:27; "The LORD will smite you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors and with the scab and with the itch, from which you cannot be healed.
1Sam 5:6; Now the hand of the LORD was heavy on the Ashdodites, and He ravaged them and smote them with tumors, both Ashdod and its territories.
1Sam 5:9; After they had brought it around, the hand of the LORD was against the city with very great confusion; and He smote the men of the city, both young and old, so that tumors broke out on them.
1Sam 5:12; And the men who did not die were smitten with tumors and the cry of the city went up to heaven.
I've heard a few "Word of Faith" preachers say lately that God wants everyone to be healed. Everyone, no matter what.
Now I'm not against miraculous healing at all. But I think it's a pretty good stretch to say God wants everyone to be healthy all the time.
Psa 32:3; When I kept silent about my sin, my body wasted away Through my groaning all day long.
Jas 5:16; Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
Confess your sins.. so that you may be healed. What if I don't confess? Will God still heal me?
1Cor 11:27; Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
1Cor 11:28; But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
1Cor 11:29; For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
1Cor 11:30; For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.
1Cor 11:31; But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged.
For this reason... many are sick among you. ( and a number sleep )
Perhaps God didn't cause these people to be sick, perhaps He just with-holds healing from them. But either way, doing unworthy actions caused them
to be sick (or in some cases, even death ).
Then there is the ever controversial thorn in the flesh passage.
2Cor 12:7; Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me—to keep me from exalting myself!
2Cor 12:8; Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me.
2Cor 12:9; And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.
Paul says he prayed 3 times for this physical ailment to leave him. But God didn't heal him, he simply said "My grace is sufficient".
Does God really want "everyone" to be healed, no matter what?
In the old testament we had verses like..
Deut 28:61; "Also every sickness and every plague which, not written in the book of this law, the LORD will bring on you until you are destroyed.
But in the New Testament we have verses like...
Rev 2:21; 'I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality.
Rev 2:22; 'Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
Rev 2:23; 'And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.
This is Jesus Himself speaking here. Then we have...
Rev 22:18; I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;
Rev 22:19; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
I've heard some preachers say, sickness doesn't come from God. He can't give you what He doesn't have.
Perhaps, but even so. He either causes or allows people to be sick and have plagues. In the end they are sick and have diseases either way.
I just don't see that God wants everyone to be healed no matter what here.
Now I suppose it could be argued, God wants everyone to repent and be healed. I would even agree to that.
But for now, not everyone is going to repent, and there are some consequences. (temporary in this life, eternal in the next life).
John 5:13; But the man who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had slipped away while there was a crowd in that place.
John 5:14; Afterward Jesus *found him in the temple and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you."
Jesus tells this man, don't sin anymore.. or you will be become infirmed again. Possibly even worse than before.
1Sam 5:6; Now the hand of the LORD was heavy on the Ashdodites, and He ravaged them and smote them with tumors, both Ashdod and its territories.
1Sam 5:9; After they had brought it around, the hand of the LORD was against the city with very great confusion; and He smote the men of the city, both young and old, so that tumors broke out on them.
1Sam 5:12; And the men who did not die were smitten with tumors and the cry of the city went up to heaven.
I've heard a few "Word of Faith" preachers say lately that God wants everyone to be healed. Everyone, no matter what.
Now I'm not against miraculous healing at all. But I think it's a pretty good stretch to say God wants everyone to be healthy all the time.
Psa 32:3; When I kept silent about my sin, my body wasted away Through my groaning all day long.
Jas 5:16; Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
Confess your sins.. so that you may be healed. What if I don't confess? Will God still heal me?
1Cor 11:27; Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
1Cor 11:28; But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
1Cor 11:29; For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
1Cor 11:30; For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.
1Cor 11:31; But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged.
For this reason... many are sick among you. ( and a number sleep )
Perhaps God didn't cause these people to be sick, perhaps He just with-holds healing from them. But either way, doing unworthy actions caused them
to be sick (or in some cases, even death ).
Then there is the ever controversial thorn in the flesh passage.
2Cor 12:7; Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me—to keep me from exalting myself!
2Cor 12:8; Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me.
2Cor 12:9; And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.
Paul says he prayed 3 times for this physical ailment to leave him. But God didn't heal him, he simply said "My grace is sufficient".
Does God really want "everyone" to be healed, no matter what?
In the old testament we had verses like..
Deut 28:61; "Also every sickness and every plague which, not written in the book of this law, the LORD will bring on you until you are destroyed.
But in the New Testament we have verses like...
Rev 2:21; 'I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality.
Rev 2:22; 'Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
Rev 2:23; 'And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.
This is Jesus Himself speaking here. Then we have...
Rev 22:18; I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;
Rev 22:19; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
I've heard some preachers say, sickness doesn't come from God. He can't give you what He doesn't have.
Perhaps, but even so. He either causes or allows people to be sick and have plagues. In the end they are sick and have diseases either way.
I just don't see that God wants everyone to be healed no matter what here.
Now I suppose it could be argued, God wants everyone to repent and be healed. I would even agree to that.
But for now, not everyone is going to repent, and there are some consequences. (temporary in this life, eternal in the next life).
John 5:13; But the man who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had slipped away while there was a crowd in that place.
John 5:14; Afterward Jesus *found him in the temple and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you."
Jesus tells this man, don't sin anymore.. or you will be become infirmed again. Possibly even worse than before.