Does Hebrews 6:4 -6 Meanwe Canl lose Our Salvation

[RJ]

Hebrews 6: 4-6 states, “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.” This is one of the Bible’s most difficult passages to interpret, but one thing is clear—it does not teach that we can lose our salvation. There are two valid ways of looking at these verses:

One interpretation holds that this passage is written not about Christians but about unbelievers who are convinced of the basic truths of the gospel but who have not placed their faith in Jesus Christ as Savior. They are intellectually persuaded but spiritually uncommitted.

According to this interpretation, the phrase “once enlightened” (verse 4) refers to some level of instruction in biblical truth. However, understanding the words of scripture is not the same as being regenerated by the Holy Spirit. For example, John 1:9 describes Jesus, the “true Light,” giving light “to every man”; but this cannot mean the light of salvation, because not every man is saved. Through God’s sovereign power, every man has enough light to be held responsible. This light either leads to the complete acceptance of Jesus Christ or produces condemnation in those who reject such light. The people described in Hebrews 6: 4-6 are of the latter group—unbelievers who have been exposed to God’s redemptive truth and perhaps have made a profession of faith, but have not exercised genuine saving faith.

This interpretation also sees the phrase “tasted the heavenly gift” Hebrews 6: 9 as referring to a momentary experience, akin to Jesus’ “tasting” death Hebrews 2:9. This brief experience with the heavenly gift is not seen as equivalent to salvation; rather, it is likened to the second and third soils in Jesus’ parable Matthews 13: 3-23, which describes people who receive the truth of the gospel but are not truly saved.

Finally, this interpretation sees the “falling away” Hebrews 6:6 as a reference to those who have tasted the truth but, not having come all the way to faith, fall away from even the revelation they have been given. The tasting of truth is not enough to keep them from falling away from it. They must come all the way to Christ in complete repentance and faith; otherwise, they in effect re-crucify Christ and treat Him contemptuously.

 

[norapture]

So a unbeliever can be a partaker with the Holy Ghost, so one can be
Enlighted without Jesus, and taste the good word , and power without the Holy Ghost
A man can not receive the things
of God or understand them without
the Spirit of God.
But what is impossible is for them
to crucify the Lord Jesus unto them self's again.
That's what is impossible, not to fall away.
Let any man that think he stand take heed less he fall.
We are saved by hope ,but hope that is seen, is not hope.
For what a man seeth, why does he hope for it.
So do we hope to be saved, and with patience wait for it.
Or do we see ourselves saved, and have nope hope, because we see ourselves already saved

 

[B-A-C]

Just bear with me for a sec here. I'm not Methodist (far from it). But they are called Methodists because they have a "method"or formula for getting saved.
I'm not even 100% sure what the method is for them.

I believe it depends more on relationship with Jesus than it does a formula.. however having said that.

Lets say I believe in Jesus...check
I believe the right things about Him.. He is God, he is Gods son, He is sinless, He died for my sins, He rose again, He ascended into heaven... check
I was baptized in water.... check
I was baptized in the Holy Spirit.... check
I am not perfect, but I am doing my best to obey the commandments.... check
I have quit living a life of (homosexuality/adultery/fornication/stealing/lying/womanizing/alcohol).... check
I am a lot less selfish, and I give to the poor and needy sometimes (I could do better),.. check
I pray for others... check
I confess my sins and ask forgiveness from time to time.... check
I serve in the body, or I have a ministry in the church.... check
I have more joy and peace in my life....check
I witness to others.. check
I tithe to the church and have accountability...check
I daily talk to Jesus on a personal level, I pray to the Father.... check
... there may be more.. but those are the main ones I think.

Now I can't say any ONE of those things saves me. Maybe not even any two or three of them.
Obviously everyone won't agree about everything on the list, but I think we can agree about most of them.
In fact maybe there is one thing on this list I hardly ever do. But this is obedience, this is servitude. This is taking off the old selfish flesh and crucifying it.
I am trying to do most of them, most of the time. (I'm not perfect, so grace covers my mistakes).
But this is different from doing none of the above, or maybe only one or two of them.

I believe in Jesus so I'm saved, or I was baptized, so I'm saved. I never pray, go to church, in fact I'm still sleeping with the bosses wife, but hey I'm saved.
I think God looks at the heart. He knows when we are trying. He knows when we are obedient. He knows if we doing the things he told us to do.
He also knows those who say they are saved... but really aren't doing anything differently.

 

[RJ]

So a unbeliever can be a partaker with the Holy Ghost, so one can be
Enlighted without Jesus, and taste the good word , and power without the Holy Ghost
A man can not receive the things
of God or understand them without
the Spirit of God.
But what is impossible is for them
to crucify the Lord Jesus unto them self's again.
That's what is impossible, not to fall away.
Let any man that think he stand take heed less he fall.
We are saved by hope ,but hope that is seen, is not hope.
For what a man seeth, why does he hope for it.
So do we hope to be saved, and with patience wait for it.
Or do we see ourselves saved, and have nope hope, because we see ourselves already saved

That's not what my opening thread stated.

 

[RJ]

Lets say I believe in Jesus...check
I believe the right things about Him.. He is God, he is Gods son, He is sinless, He died for my sins, He rose again, He ascended into heaven... check
I was baptized in water.... check
I was baptized in the Holy Spirit.... check
I am not perfect, but I am doing my best to obey the commandments.... check
I have quit living a life of (homosexuality/adultery/fornication/stealing/lying/womanizing/alcohol).... check
I am a lot less selfish, and I give to the poor and needy sometimes (I could do better),.. check
I pray for others... check
I confess my sins and ask forgiveness from time to time.... check
I serve in the body, or I have a ministry in the church.... check
I have more joy and peace in my life....check
I witness to others.. check
I tithe to the church and have accountability...check
I daily talk to Jesus on a personal level, I pray to the Father.... check
... there may be more.. but those are the main ones I think.

This is exactly what I am saying and what I believe Hebrews 6 is about!
With all these items checked because God is fully in you, could you go back to the way you were, uncheck all these items and fall away to all out rejection of Jesus Christ?

 

[RJ]

Or do we see ourselves saved, and have nope hope, because we see ourselves already saved

This is just plain silly and not even close to what I said! It is just a bunch of Gobble-gook to bolster your view!

 

[norapture]

RJ do you see yourself saved?
Or do you hope to be saved?
Was you saying in the O P that these verse was referring to unbelievers, and not believers ?

 

[B-A-C]

RJ do you see yourself saved?
Or do you hope to be saved?
Was you saying in the O P that these verse was referring to unbelievers, and not believers ?

Yet again the great argument of imputed vs imparted righteousness.

Php 3:10; that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death;
Php 3:11; in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
Php 3:12; Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
Php 3:13; Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead,

There was a whole thread on this called "conditional salvation"

 

[norapture]

I agree BAC
I just think we all need to have this mind set , to continue for the faith

 

[B-A-C]

I agree BAC
I just think we all need to have this mind set , to continue for the faith

Amen,

Php 2:12; So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;

1 Pet 4:18; AND IF IT IS WITH DIFFICULTY THAT THE RIGHTEOUS IS SAVED, WHAT WILL BECOME OF THE GODLESS MAN AND THE SINNER?