Does God Love all people?
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This is something that the church is split on. For example two hardcore Calvinistic Preachers says no.
The Bible does say that God hated Esau Rom 9:13;
Many Armenian preachers I know say, that God loves us while we are sinners, and He loves us if we accept His son (Jesus)
But not so much if we keep rejecting His Son (Jesus).
The Bible says He will love us if we keep His commandments, but what if we don't? John 14:21; John 15:10;
Many people says God has agape love, and they will say agape love is unconditional, however none of the Greek lexicons or dictionaries I have
use the word unconditional in their definition of agape.
The Bible does say that God hated Esau Rom 9:13;
Many Armenian preachers I know say, that God loves us while we are sinners, and He loves us if we accept His son (Jesus)
But not so much if we keep rejecting His Son (Jesus).
The Bible says He will love us if we keep His commandments, but what if we don't? John 14:21; John 15:10;
Many people says God has agape love, and they will say agape love is unconditional, however none of the Greek lexicons or dictionaries I have
use the word unconditional in their definition of agape.
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'For God so loved the world,
that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in Him
should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not Hs Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through Him might be saved.
He that believeth on Him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed
in the name of the only begotten Son of God.'
(John 3:16-18)
Hello rhern53,
I was surprised that I had to really think about this: but this verse says that God loves the world, which includes the inhabitants of it: that He was willing to give His only begotten Son into the world, to die for the sins of the whole world, that all who believe on His Name may be saved from the wrath to come. So I have to say 'Yes', God does love everyone upon the earth. God sends rain upon the just and the unjust, so is therefore no respecter of persons.
The Lord Jesus Christ came to destroy the works of the Devil: and by dying and rising from the dead, did just that, for all who will believe on His Name, for death has no power over them. For it is not His will that any should perish, but that all should come to a knowledge of His saving grace, through the Lord Jesus Christ His Son, and receive the gift of eternal life through Him.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in Him
should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not Hs Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through Him might be saved.
He that believeth on Him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed
in the name of the only begotten Son of God.'
(John 3:16-18)
Hello rhern53,
I was surprised that I had to really think about this: but this verse says that God loves the world, which includes the inhabitants of it: that He was willing to give His only begotten Son into the world, to die for the sins of the whole world, that all who believe on His Name may be saved from the wrath to come. So I have to say 'Yes', God does love everyone upon the earth. God sends rain upon the just and the unjust, so is therefore no respecter of persons.
The Lord Jesus Christ came to destroy the works of the Devil: and by dying and rising from the dead, did just that, for all who will believe on His Name, for death has no power over them. For it is not His will that any should perish, but that all should come to a knowledge of His saving grace, through the Lord Jesus Christ His Son, and receive the gift of eternal life through Him.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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The Greek word translated "hate" in Rom 9:13 is a mite ambiguous because it
doesn't always indicate hatred as a passion, for example Luke 14:26 where Jesus
said:
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and
children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my
disciple."
Hatred for one's relatives is the passion of a murderer. (1John 3:15) and children
are required to honor their parents. (Eph 6:1-2)
Miseo also means to love less, i.e. to love someone or something else more.
For example; Rom 9:13 is a bounce from Malachi 1:3 where the Hebrew word for
hatred is the very same word for hatred in Gen 29:31 where Leah is depicted as a
hated wife. Well; I seriously doubt that Jacob detested Leah; he just cared for Rachel
more; that's all.
Anyway, I'll concede that God was very likely disgusted with Esau, but I seriously
doubt that He felt enough personal dislike for the man to want him dead.
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• John 3:16-17 . . For God so loved the world, etc.
The Greek verb for "loved" in that passage is derived from agapao, which is
typically impersonal. It's a benevolent kind of love that expresses itself in things
like kindness, generosity, courtesy, pity, and good will. In other words: God
sympathizes with the world's sinful condition and has offered to do something about
it; but that shouldn't be construed to mean that He's fond of the world. In point of
fact, He quite despises human life on the whole and regrets its creation. (Gen 6:6)
Agapao is the kind of love we're required to extend to our neighbor and to our
enemy; which is fortunate because there are some people impossible to like.
And then there is the love that God feels for those around Him; for example:
• John 16:27 . .The Father himself loves you, because you have loved me, and
have believed that I came forth from the Father.
The Geek verb for "loves you" and "loved me" is derived from phileo which is a
family kind of love felt among kin folk that exceeds benevolence because it fosters
attachments. Phileo is tender, devoted, and sentimental; always consisting of
fondness, loyalty, and affection; for example:
• 1John 3:1 . . How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should
be called children of God!
In other words phileo goes beyond hospitality: it's an affectionate level of love that
speaks of bonding and acceptance, whereas agapao usually doesn't.
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The Greek verb for "loved" in that passage is derived from agapao, which is
typically impersonal. It's a benevolent kind of love that expresses itself in things
like kindness, generosity, courtesy, pity, and good will. In other words: God
sympathizes with the world's sinful condition and has offered to do something about
it; but that shouldn't be construed to mean that He's fond of the world. In point of
fact, He quite despises human life on the whole and regrets its creation. (Gen 6:6)
Agapao is the kind of love we're required to extend to our neighbor and to our
enemy; which is fortunate because there are some people impossible to like.
And then there is the love that God feels for those around Him; for example:
• John 16:27 . .The Father himself loves you, because you have loved me, and
have believed that I came forth from the Father.
The Geek verb for "loves you" and "loved me" is derived from phileo which is a
family kind of love felt among kin folk that exceeds benevolence because it fosters
attachments. Phileo is tender, devoted, and sentimental; always consisting of
fondness, loyalty, and affection; for example:
• 1John 3:1 . . How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should
be called children of God!
In other words phileo goes beyond hospitality: it's an affectionate level of love that
speaks of bonding and acceptance, whereas agapao usually doesn't.
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Deuteronomy 6: 15 (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the Anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.
Psalms 90: 7For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled.
2 Samuel 6: 7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God .
Leviticus 10: 1And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.
2And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.
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Agapáō and never philéō is used of love toward our enemies. The range of philéō is wider than that of agapáō which stands higher than philéō because of its moral import, i.e., love that expresses compassion. We are thus commanded to love (agapáō) our enemies, to do what is necessary to turn them to Christ, but never to befriend them (philéō) by adopting their interests and becoming friends on their level.
Gods' love toward us is unconditional, He just loves us, we are His creation. Even when we displease Him He loves us. But, and this is the main point, He does not always condone what we do. Actually I would say He does not condone most of what we do. But that does not change His view toward us. He still wants all people to turn in faith toward His son and be saved.
By way of illustration:
I have often told my son and grand children "I will always love you, but I will not always like you" In other words my love does not depend upon them being perfect. Even when they disappoint me and I do not like what they are doing my love for them does not change.
If I can feel that way do you think God feels any less for His creation?
Agapáō and never philéō is used of love toward our enemies. The range of philéō is wider than that of agapáō which stands higher than philéō because of its moral import, i.e., love that expresses compassion. We are thus commanded to love (agapáō) our enemies, to do what is necessary to turn them to Christ, but never to befriend them (philéō) by adopting their interests and becoming friends on their level.
Gods' love toward us is unconditional, He just loves us, we are His creation. Even when we displease Him He loves us. But, and this is the main point, He does not always condone what we do. Actually I would say He does not condone most of what we do. But that does not change His view toward us. He still wants all people to turn in faith toward His son and be saved.
By way of illustration:
I have often told my son and grand children "I will always love you, but I will not always like you" In other words my love does not depend upon them being perfect. Even when they disappoint me and I do not like what they are doing my love for them does not change.
If I can feel that way do you think God feels any less for His creation?
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If you look up the word 'hated' you will see that it actually means to "love less" Esau still could have had Gods full blessing but...
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Yes I see “ rejected”
Meaning the “ seed” will continue through Jacob and esau will not continue the seed
Now what is your definition of “ seed” as we see throughout the bible
Seed to me is the linage that leads to Jesus the messiah meaning Jacob would continue the lineage according to god
Abraham says in Jubilees
And Abraham loved Jacob, but Isaac loved Esau. And Abraham saw the deeds of Esau, and he knew that in Jacob should his name and seed be called; and he called Rebecca and gave commandment regarding Jacob, for he knew that she (too) loved Jacob much more than Esau. And he said unto her: "My daughter, watch over my son Jacob,
For he shall be in my stead on the earth,
And for a blessing in the midst of the children of men,
And for the glory of the whole seed of Shem.
For I know that the Lord will choose him to be a people for possession unto Himself, above all peoples that are upon the face of the earth. And behold, Isaac my son loveth Esau more than Jacob, but I see that thou truly lovest Jacob.
But again this is a brick wall for some belivers that don’t hold jubilees as “ sacred” text because a man named Luther decided to take them from cannon
( not a poke at anyone’s beliefs)
Not to derail the thread
God is love
But he won’t force you to love him back
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Where does that passage say 'which includes the inhabitants of it?
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Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
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Yeah...Seed in this usage is "Family..Tribe..Progeny" That would include adopted family...since covenant makes everything Abraham had, including blessings from God, also belongs to his seed.Yes I see “ rejected”
Meaning the “ seed” will continue through Jacob and esau will not continue the seed
Now what is your definition of “ seed” as we see throughout the bible
Seed to me is the linage that leads to Jesus the messiah meaning Jacob would continue the lineage according to god
Abraham says in Jubilees
And Abraham loved Jacob, but Isaac loved Esau. And Abraham saw the deeds of Esau, and he knew that in Jacob should his name and seed be called; and he called Rebecca and gave commandment regarding Jacob, for he knew that she (too) loved Jacob much more than Esau. And he said unto her: "My daughter, watch over my son Jacob,
For he shall be in my stead on the earth,
And for a blessing in the midst of the children of men,
And for the glory of the whole seed of Shem.
For I know that the Lord will choose him to be a people for possession unto Himself, above all peoples that are upon the face of the earth. And behold, Isaac my son loveth Esau more than Jacob, but I see that thou truly lovest Jacob.
But again this is a brick wall for some belivers that don’t hold jubilees as “ sacred” text because a man named Luther decided to take them from cannon
( not a poke at anyone’s beliefs)
Not to derail the thread
God is love
But he won’t force you to love him back
SHALOM
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Hello Reba1,
The Strong's Concordance gave that information in it's definition of the Greek word translated, 'world'. I gave the concordance number in my previous post.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Thanks that is also my understanding.... Using the same Strongs number what is your understanding of the passages below? The references are quoted so it is easy to find and read in context.
Rom_1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Mat_24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
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Hello @Reba1,
(Rom 1:8) :-
G2889 - Kosmos - This is being said to the believers at Rome, whose faith, through the networking of the Roman empire, was being spoken of throughout the whole known world, where that reach was felt.
(Rom 10:16-18) :-
G3625 - oikoumene = The inhabited world, civilised as distinct from the barbarian, ie., The Roman Empire.
Quoted from Psalm 19:4 (H8398=tebel - the inhabited earth): - quoted in anticipation of the objection from the Jew that they had not heard.
(Matthew 24:14):-
G3625 - oikoumene - as above.
The words, 'world', used twice more in this chapter, translated from 'aion' (age) [v.3], and 'kosmos' [v.21].
This, 'gospel of the kingdom', will be preached again at the end of the age. At present it is, 'the gospel of the grace of God', that is being made known.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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This is a topic that interests me.
I do believe that God loves all people.
This is backed up by John 3:16
However, there are people who claim that this only refers to the world in another context, with regards to the elect.
I disagree and in 1 John 2:2 , it says "He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world."
The people who disagree will often quote Esau. Only that hate must only be the behaviour of the flesh, from a heart who doesn't respond to God.
Representing those who just do not make a response to God.
That ultimately God loves them but not the sin, and not the standards of the world.
Also the parable of the sower surely shows how God is enabling everyone to be fed the seeds but only a portion make a genuine response.
That ultimately shows God's love for the world.
I do believe that God loves all people.
This is backed up by John 3:16
However, there are people who claim that this only refers to the world in another context, with regards to the elect.
I disagree and in 1 John 2:2 , it says "He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world."
The people who disagree will often quote Esau. Only that hate must only be the behaviour of the flesh, from a heart who doesn't respond to God.
Representing those who just do not make a response to God.
That ultimately God loves them but not the sin, and not the standards of the world.
Also the parable of the sower surely shows how God is enabling everyone to be fed the seeds but only a portion make a genuine response.
That ultimately shows God's love for the world.
