did Jesus ever pray during the night?

[Sebastian]

i haven't read the bible yet so i cant answer the question myself

anyone know of a time jesus preached during the night?

the condition is that he did so on his own accord (for example not when he got dragged before the high priests or who they where and got interrogated. nor not when he got questioned by someone during the night and answered. (Like, if he ever held a sermon to the disciples during the night or went to a fire-lit temple (hehe, unlikely), or in some way whatsoever preached/spoke-the-truth to people after nightfall on His own accord))..

my bold guess is he never did

bye

EDIT: Oh, the title got wrong: "pray" should be "preach". my bad.

 

[Sebastian]

speaking of which; i'll be back by daybreak..

 

[B-A-C]

Jesus says Matt 26:31; "You will all fall away because of Me this night... "
The prayer that the cup might be removed in the Garden of Gethsemane is usually
considered to be at night. ( Matt 26:36-46; and Mark 14:32-42; )
First because the disciples keep falling asleep...
second because Jesus says "every day" I was teaching in the temple and you didn't arrest me, but now you come
with swords and clubs to arrest Me as you would a robber.

Matt 14:23; it says after he sent the crowds away, He went up on the mountain
by Himself to pray; and when it was evening, He was there alone.

Finally in Luke 6:12; (which is likely the same instance as Matt 14:23; above)
It says "He spent the whole night in prayer"..

 

[Sebastian]

Summary: Aren't nearly convinced the verses mentioned are during the night, (explanation below (and some weird stuff (you know my style (please show tolerance of my in many ways indecent expression of what's on my heart (thank you)))). Bye.



I thank you for your written words. Yet I disagree entirely I must say:
First off: Since you started making your post (most assuredly) before the "EDIT:", you couldn't see I made an error when I wrote "pray" in the thread's topic, and so those things below are "missing the target" or how to put it:

"Finally in Luke 6:12; (which is likely the same instance as Matt 14:23; above)
It says "He spent the whole night in prayer".."
"Matt 14:23; it says after he sent the crowds away, He went up on the mountain
by Himself to pray; and when it was evening, He was there alone."
"The prayer that the cup might be removed in the Garden of Gethsemane"

After that clearance, we are now left with the following.

" "You will all fall away because of Me this night... " " Matt 26:31

and the following three sentences I think also is to be viewed as preaching/"speaking-the-truth":

" “Keep watching and praying that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.” " Matt 26:41
" "It is enough; the hour has come; behold, the Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners." " Mark 14:41
" “Get up, let us be going; behold, the one who betrays Me is at hand!” " Mark 14:42


But lets consider: Matt 26:31 is spoken before they came to the Garden of Gethsemane (I don't know which exact context it is spoken in (maybe while they were walking towards the garden) but it is almost surely irrelevant to my view I will here-after present (the only relevance is that it was before they arrived at the garden)). I don't see it probable that Jesus walked around and meanwhile preached/"spoke-the-truth" to his disciples during the night -after nightfall. Especially when it is in a situation where they are walking towards the place where they shall sleep that night.
Since this was just a short while previous to his crucifixion, I'm guessing this was at the time of late december. If someone knows how bright it is just after sunset down there at Gethsemane at late december, that could put the left-over doubt to rest (because if it gets very dark after sunset in Gethsemane in late december, how likely is it that they walked around in the dark towards their place for the night? not very likely at all). I'm guessing the moon was quite full though, that night, for some obscure reasons.

So basically what I'm saying is: I don't think it was after nightfall that they were walking towards their resting-place for the night. So when he in Matt 26:31 says "You will fall away because of Me this night... " I'm quite sure he meant "this soon coming night", not "this ongoing night". And when they arrived at the Garden of Gethsemane I'm by utmost alike reasons believe night hadn't fell yet upon them, but that it was a some time before the fall of night. And because he seemingly spoke Matt 26:41 and Mark 14:41-42 not very long after they had arrived, nightfall maybe hadn't happened yet, but that it was still dusk -seems most likely for me.


I'm boldly guessing nightfall was directly and intimately connected with the exact and precise time Jesus came into the hands of those who were there to take him away. EDIT: Alternatively, and maybe even more likely, that it nightfall happened a uttermost brief moment after Matt 26:42 (((mostly because he in Mark 14:41 says "behold, the Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners. (((I think that this moment (of Jesus coming into "the hands of sinners") is very much related and intertwined symbolically etc with the happening of nightfall ((but my doubtful and unsurely guess is that the time between shortly after Matt 26:42 up to the point of him "officially" being in the hands of the sinners is "the twilight-zone" (the 'hazy "in-between" time' between day and night), and when he is "officially" in the hands of the sinners is just when night fell)))))))). -I'm not sure I got the parentheses right, but I'm decently sure. The outrageous amount of parentheses is to show symbolically how extremely 'under-the-surface' those ideas are - not meant for common understanding and 'seeing the reasons behind' -except through some deep "into-spection" regarding it. So please excuse my over-the-top obscurity etc -which might upset into an egohurt or something which might cause want & desire for "retribution" or "retaliation" or , "getting back" by own words in a probably "talking down-upon" patronising or belittling way. Or now, as I have made note of it, it would take the expression of hate maybe, in a very bad packaged way of saying how rude this remark is (yet taking a high moral stand from it etc). Now, that said, it would take the form of discarding the ideas presented backed up by hostility or ill-meaning, -saying how the ideas of this post, and the person behind it is So and So and I think you need to and so on. (If I keep this "pointing towards" ongoing a short while longer, I would probably see this thread or at least post deleted, because of the upset feelings caused and "we don't want such negativity in our forum etc etc (no offence)).


So if you now feel a bit hostile towards me and stuff -shielded in righteousness or similar or unacknowledged etc etc. I'm truly truly sorry about causing such triggering of judgment, -Sincerely.


So, after all, I see those verses to have very likely taken place, latest at very late dusk or late twilight.

You may, in truth, only see it as "quite possible" or, at it utmost extreme; as; "likely", or "seemingly" -most probably almost entirely based on that the disciples were so sleepy they let themselves fell asleep, and, mostly, due to Matt 26:40 " “So, you men could not akeep watch with Me for one hour?" ". So it is "seemingly and likely" at most (unless one abandons reason and becomes, like, "egoically over-sure/over-confident etc." (I think)).

Thank you for your time -I'm still very curious about if Jesus ever preached/"spoke-the-truth" by his own accord/initiation.

Bye for now..

 

[Travis]

Not sure of the reason why this question is being asked, but Jesus did in fact preach one of his best sermons at night:

1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him."
3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4 Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
9 Nicodemus said to him, "How can these things be?"
10 Jesus answered him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things?
11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not receive our testimony.
12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God." - John 3:1-21

I hope you find what you are looking for, whatever it is.

 

[Sebastian]

Not sure of the reason why this question is being asked, but Jesus did in fact preach one of his best sermons at night:

Spoiler

1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him."
3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4 Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
9 Nicodemus said to him, "How can these things be?"
10 Jesus answered him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things?
11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not receive our testimony.
12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God." - John 3:1-21

I hope you find what you are looking for, whatever it is.

Admittedly I always have problems with answering 'Why-Questions-. For I believe we never truly see the real fulfilling Answer to that. It is So Beyond our inner comprehension that whatever answer we give to "why"(reasons we do things and why we are the way we are and behave the way we behave etc u know) is destined to be lacking and plagued by it's inadequacy.

Yet we may know things, which would to me almost give a satisfactory and quite "good" answer to the question-of-Why. My attempt at such an answer goes as follow: I see night as the polar-opposite of day, and I believe day is the time of the Christ -of Jesus-. It is then that Life is, and Light, and that which is truly good (as sin being prolific and close at Hand during the night) etc etc etc. I see it basically as Satan's hour, or.. the Hour of darkness. Ooor... a time of not seeing things clearly and, pff... it's hard to explain what I mean -it's a very many-faceted vision of inner sight of my Mind's eye in Me. basically that Day being the Time of the Christ and of Light and truth etc, and night being the time of like poor judgment, lack of sight, sin, darkness, death and misery mostly and like, the Devil's Time. The polar-opposite of Jesus' Time.

and given That, I have a slight feeling (to appear modest and not so sure about it (sorry for being untruthful like that (God forgive me))) ehm, so.. the feeling-sensation -intuition that Jesus was completely off-the-book (off-telling-the-truth (on his own accord and initiative (not being called or questioned to It)) - so that he Never on His Own Accord preached by His Own Start(Initiative) during The Nighttime -since that is not His Sphere or Place -or Domain or Order, oor... Will... oor... ehm... That basically that was not the Hour of Light but the Hour of Silence and Darkness and emptiness -as it's not the sun's place to Shine during Night. -but yet he would speak So Truthfully Light and true 'at-that-time' IF he was called for it (circumstance calling His Visdom - or someone "ask-receplicing" (coming to The Lor as a recepticle for His Word and example)).

Basically that.

that being said, the given example I quote above is Not,,ehm,,, doesn't count (because clearly he was being approached by Nicodemus, who called for Jesus' Words by bringing Question to the Lord then being a receptacle for truth)

Thank you.

Also I appreciate the hope you gave and might give again, and might hold within Your Being - it gave me a feeling of sincerity of It.

Thank you.

bye

 

[Sebastian]

hereby uplifting all responsibilities of viewing this Thread.

may pop in (very likely) seeing any responses in a future.

I appreciate all parties involved in my thread.

bye

 

[Travis]

Admittedly I always have problems with answering 'Why-Questions-. For I believe we never truly see the real fulfilling Answer to that. It is So Beyond our inner comprehension that whatever answer we give to "why"(reasons we do things and why we are the way we are and behave the way we behave etc u know) is destined to be lacking and plagued by it's inadequacy.

Darkness hates the light and does not want to come into it because it exposes all things.


Satan doesn't own the night, Jesus does, he created everything that is. Jesus probably didn't make a habit of preaching in the evening because it's very inconvenient for common people to do things at night when there is very little light for people to move around and do things, etc.

Nicodemus could not have come before the Lord of Righteousness unless the Spirit of God had permitted him to do so. It was a divine appointment, orchestrated by the King. No one can enter into the kingdom of God unless he is first born again.

Have you been born again Sebastian?

 

[Sebastian]

Darkness hates the light and does not want to come into it because it exposes all things.

reverantly i Say: well put mister - well put indd. (not really sure at all what a mister is though )

Satan doesn't own the night, Jesus does, he created everything that is.

- Agreed!(in faith (with various grades of conviction))

Nicodemus could not have come before the Lord of Righteousness unless the Spirit of God had permitted him to do so.

Agreed! (in Faith ofc again ofc etcetc)

No one can enter into the kingdom of God unless he is first born again.

So it is Written!

Have you been born again Sebastian?

i don't know to be honestly sincere.. I would very much like to hear/read your explanation of what you mean by that!

I'm 90% sure I have been born again in the Holy Spirit. -defining which i think would be hard to do. If you wanna define it for me, with bible-verses as the explanation's spine and "backing up", then that would be very much appreciated by me, -atleast . (what really perplexes me is the defining of what the Holy Spirit is -describing it satisfactory and in a decently adequate way... it's quite obscure to define I believe for me... but to right now come up with a short "pointer" towards the Holy Spirit, it'll be: Having The Light in your (or besides) your corporeal self. seeing holy nature in you (You) -a form of enlightenment perhaps.... either that.. or... when "opening up to Jesus the Lord in Heaven" and like, asking him to come to you, or asking "him" to come to you by sending his Holy spirit, and receiving that Holy Spirit is... hmm... hard to explain... the Light of truth coming into you - by which you may know truth in outside sources (by it's resonance/in-tune-with/agreement with that spirit of truth one has then received and can be in touch with Within)... to try to put it in a nutshell quite spontaneously, quickly and without putting much care into like a beautiful and very neat and well-packaged firm way of putting it. thank you (this was an edit btw.). bye again.

Also what it really means to be Born Again out of a full water-immersion or how to put it (a water baptism u know) would be most appreciated yet again: See I am very pressed by myself to get to know this within a small couple days. So that mean I will do some extensive research into the Scriptures and outside it (if I see so fit) to get a firm and well-grounded&based understanding of what it basically means to be born again "through water" and "in the Holy spirit" - so feel no need to strain yourself by explaining it very extensively unless that is your proclination u know -then please go ahead I'm sure people apart from me too will be benefited by it -but since there is tons of it on the web then just a sentence or two would maybe suffice? Especially since I shall read up on it within 6 days surely.

Excuse me for not writing what I think a baptism in the Holy Spirit is; it's quite obscure in my vision of expression (can't seem to find a graspable way to put it on the spot), also I'm a bit low on time at the moment because of obligations so I have no time for real introspection.

I appreciate the consideration, either way.

Thank you for your input.

Bye and fare well you. ( I revere a sense of strictness of Scripture that I sense in you.)

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(((For the record: I still hold myself ridden from any attachments to this thread and this forum -except this brief conversation we are involved presently in.)))

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[Sebastian]

oh and btw: those rings that like apostles and prophets and like other holy men have on pictures and painting in churches and here and there -like this one: saint - Sök på Google
that's symbolical for different meaning of Holy Spirit right? got that impression n stuff, seems likely... although it may actually just as well be representing something else.

ok logging out now for an hour or two .

Bye.

Edit: it may be holiness though.. which i sorta guess -without thinking it really through- is not quite the same as representing the holy spirit -yet they are much indeedly intertwined-&-interconnected ((like i have a absolutely hard time picturing holiness without the Holy Spirit (if the Holy Spirit now is what I believe it is (to be seen, God allowing))).

Over & out.

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[Sebastian]

The then so pressingly thing got put on hold so I'll be off in a couple minutes; enough for me to make an addition; another attribute I think of the Holy Spirit is that, while it enables one greatly and profoundly to recognize truth "outside" (like the Bible, or people speaking in the Holy Spirit etc, people being in tune with how things are basically idno.. beats me... anyhow, irrelevant, sorta, idno),
so while it (again) enables one to ring true or not outside truth/untruth sources, it also send ("speaks") this and that to oneself -to give rise to seeing true n stuff, in either visions or different channels of expression. While it not being "outside" Oneself really, but Resides Within, it is not really felt as "One's self" (it is felt/experienced/semi-intuition-vision-this&that&the-other that it is something which is not of One's own nature -not One's self as the rest is Within (with exceptions for this that and the other (like for example possession and.. probably basically mostly that i guess)). edit: but it may very well be true as i read somewhere; that it is not The Holy Spirit speaking in and of "itself"(himself? heeerself???:OO ^^ ))
-but that the holy spirit speaks according to what "it" receives through "it's" connection with God (and maybe Jesus too.. but I'm guessing it's mostly from God... but idno.. may just as well be from Jesus... or even like... Holy People -but thats a looong stretch and feels instinctively quite farfetched and very very unlikely.....but maaybe.. probably God though...or Jesus.... poooossibly one's own Soul too... not sure... maybe.... idno..... really obscure and hard to "know" this -but hey maybe not; maybe the Bible is quite clear about it for example... Which directly seems to be very very likely actually.. anyone acquainted with what the bible says the Primary (and maybe even only?) "Person" That the holy Spirit Connects with???? bye. -for Now..

So it is. in faith and inner Seeing.-yet may be wrong u-never-know -logically strictly very firmly speaking.

That's a lot of description right there heh... seemingly wasn't so terribly hard after all expressing this - but I may have missed the mark completely according to God's view.

Thank you.

bye ~

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sorry for being so extensively expressive in a "apparently" manical and hyper-active (and according some some 'delusional' way). That's the way I do these things here.

cheerio

take faith

I hope we will all here was our clothes white and clean in the blood of Jesus, amen.

 

[Sebastian]

Hehe:

I'm really getting physical expression related to James 3:6: "And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell."

so time to go sit by a cool relaxing lake to ease down and cool down n relax. My service here is over. For now.

Farewell.

Bye.

Out.

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[Sebastian]

the bible worked 10 times better at evning out me than i think any lake could ever do
i feel so blessed to have reading through the bible ahead of me -God willing-. maybe the greatest gift -probably- that i have received so far.

so i am back now guys

 

[Sebastian]

Travis; if you want to write your view on what born again means then go ahead i'll read it. but I am cutting the ties with our conversation as I am inclined to not be attached to checking up and replying and stuff and conversating in this forum. So if you want to write me something then go ahead -and this following goes to all of You guys: yet please don't phrase it as to make a receptical for my respose, -but instead simply having it as a form of gift I guess (as a laying out without any recepticle included for being replied by me). Tho if someone feels he or she wants me to write something then go ahead, yet i hold no moral "responsibilities" of getting involved here furthermore.

Thank you for your consideration.

(I am still obligated to answer you if you have any questions or would like my view on something not so complex and time-taking etc (since i can't just morally leave in the middle of a conversation without the other part being granted to say his last things if he so wishes)) Thank you.

Bye. For now or for good.

Be Sovereign, not a slave. But (ofc) see it as your guiding star to live according the God's will for you.
bye.

 

[Sebastian]

not to BUMP this sh*t or Anything, but: Due to a lack of reply from U Travis over such a long time, I am unheld from all moral ties about this thread. I might read this thread in future but probably no, - and if any question or the like is directed by way or i by some other reason find myself wanting to write a couple lines or anything similar then I shall probably do so. no obligations upheld anymore on my end, until such a time that I would be back, but 'such-a-time' is unlikely.

out
~ this goes for the Whole Forum in all of it's nature

bye


(will read any&All messages in my of my threads, private messages and all other ways someone could relate to my writing or anything similar for another 2 days - 20:00 on Tuesday I will hold responsibility until.)

out

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[Travis]

Oh... sorry.

I thought you had left.

Born again. Born from above. Nicodemus came to Jesus looking for wisdom and teaching. Nicodemus was among the Pharisees. He was a teacher of Israel but didn't know the first thing about the Kingdom of God. You must be born again to enter into the Kingdom of God.

The Pharisees were the most righteous people around. Seriously, no joke, dead serious. No group took sin more seriously, or prayed as much, or fasted as much, or tithed as much, or followed the law as much. Most of the Pharisees had the Pentateuch memorized word for word in Hebrew. Could quote it forward and backward. You didn't mess with these guys, they knew what they were doing, and they could quote 5 passages to tell you exactly why they did it.

But, as a whole group, they were not regenerate. They had constructed an awesome system, the pinnacle of religion really, and set up an earthly society that for all intents and purposes seemed to be incredibly pleasing to God.

Problem is. It wasn't.

Nicodemus should have understood that in order to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, to be right with the King of Glory, you must be born again, to have your heart regenerated and made soft and fleshy by the Lord of Glory. The only way for men to please the Lord, is for them to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. To have the Spirit of God move in them and give them a heart of flesh, a clean heart. The word believe is like a .zip file, there's a lot of stuff packed in there to be unzipped. But, I'm digressing. Nicodemus, having the scriptures already thus revealed, should have understood these things, yet he didn't. Being part of a group that was so sure of their wisdom, teacher's of babes, the pharisee's didn't understand the first thing about the Kingdom of God. They had a very very long way to descend to get rid of their pride and humble themselves at the feet of Jesus. That's why the common people were the ones most frequently humbling themselves before the Lord of Glory, they didn't have too far to steep to, they were already at the bottom and they knew it.

God is not interested in us bringing about a change in our own lives through the power of our own flesh, or even our own soul. Human willpower can accomplished great things: it can climb mount Everest, put our self in mortal danger to save our child, train for years on end to push our body to the limit in order to win a gold medal at the olympics, and so on. But, human willpower cannot form a new heart in oneself, that sinful, broken, hard thing needs the touch of the Creator and Sustainer to bring about any such change.

The Pharisee's thought they could change themselves, but they were just white washed tombstones (generally speaking, Nicodemus was a good one, and Paul later). We must be born again. We can't make ourselves born again. All we can do is repent and ask the one who can change our hearts to do so. If we seek him, we will surely find him.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.​

Blessings to you,

Travis