Davids Sin

[XenaMaria]

Prior to David, God punished many others, severly, for not following His orders. Why did he favor David so much when David committed adultery, and pretty much had a man murdered?

 

[KingJ]

God had a separate covenant with him.

2 Sam 7:14-15 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men. 15 But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from before you.

 

[KingJ]

Why did he favor David so much

Acts 13:22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.

 

[Sue D.]

Because when David was approached by Nathan, the prophet, David was remorseful. He repented of his sinful act -- God chose to take their infant son back to Himself.


David's sin was in Not being where he Should have been. And giving in to lustful desires that he would not have experienced had he been with his men in battle where he should have been.

One of God's messages to 'us' is that in Spite of being sinful people - God Still uses us.

 

[XenaMaria]

Thank you all for the information.

 

[Christ4Ever]

@XenaMaria
First welcome to Talk Jesus!
Hope you will find it beneficial to your growth in the His Word, and your relationship with Him.

You received some really good on point answer. How I've seen David as being is a non-abashed
Lover of God and yet not perfect. You can see that throughout his entire story.

Kind of like us and Jesus Christ. We love Him, and yet we still do the things that we know are wrong.
Like David, we ask forgiveness, and hope & pray that we won't do whatever it is again. Yet, His love
is so great, that if we do wrong, He will ever be waiting for us to return from whatever it is in our lives
that has separated us from Him, not Him from us. Why? Because of His Son Jesus. Jesus was able to
do what we could not. Total Obedience, and complete Love to God the Father.

We hope and pray that like David, that we won't ever forget His great Love for us in that His only begotten
Son, Jesus, Lived, Died on the Cross and Arose from the Grave. So, like any child going back to his parent
when they have done wrong. He's still loving us, and waiting for us with open arms. We might receive
a slap on the hand, or the back of the head, but less then what we probably deserve!!!

Once again be welcome Xena Maria!!!
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Quantrill]

Prior to David, God punished many others, severly, for not following His orders. Why did he favor David so much when David committed adultery, and pretty much had a man murdered?

Remember also, David was punished severely. (2 Sam. 12:7-12) But the Lord could have killed him for it but spared him. (12:13) Why did He spare him? As others pointed out, David was a man after God's own heart. God loved him. (1 Sam. 13:14) And the Spirit of God was upon David from the time Samuel anointed him. (1 Sam. 16:14)

It is quite common for unbelievers to cast David in a bad light for his sins of adultry and murder. They will call him an adulterer and a murderer. But, that is not so. He was guilty of the sins of adultry and murder, but he was not that. What he was, was a man after God's own heart. There is a difference. If ever there was a New Testament saint living in the Old Testament, it was David. He had a heart for God, and the Spirit of God was upon him.

God is concerned first of all who the person is. What the person does is secondary. And God does not see as man sees. (1 Sam. 16:7) And later kings would be compared to David as either good like David or evil unlike David. (1 Kings 11:6) God did not forget the incident with Bathsheba and Uriah. (1 Kings 15:5) But it didn't change who David was.

Myself, I praise God that David fell as he did in the matter of Bathsheba and Uriah. I praise God that God in the Scriptures did not hide the sins of His people. How discouraging it would be if what we had as our examples as the people of God, were perfect people always doing exactly what they should be doing. How hopeless that would be.

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[Sue D.]

God is showing , by example, that He is very capable of using Anyone He chooses for His good. And, David Was a man after God's own heart. But aren't we all? Jesus Christ died for All of us -- not just the not so sinful of people.

Didn't Saul, in the New Testament start out persecuting Christians -- hauling them off to jail ? and then God got his attention. Paul suffered much in the cause For Christ -- he was chosen to write the prison epistles -- Galations - Collosians . From one extreme to the other.

In present day -- not publicized == but a drug , mafia guy was captured and put in prison -- and in That environment was reached with the Gospel and became a believer AND has been leading Bible studies ever since. While in prison. Found that out while watching the 700 Club a long time ago.

 

[XenaMaria]

Prior to David, God punished many others, severly, for not following His orders. Why did he favor David so much when David committed adultery, and pretty much had a man murdered?

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I understand and appreciate the feedback/responses. I had mixed feelings about why he punishes some the way he does . Like, one of his loyal and loving servants was not allowed into the promised Land because of disobedience...I think it was Moses .but I remember feeling sad to know that God could punish someone in such a way.... After that person showed such love (just as david loved God) and tried very hard to please God. We all make mistakes right? Maybe I felt conflicted because when I arrived to the stories of David and his sins.... I thought he would be punished in a different way...like Saul. I thought he would take him off the throne and find a replacement. But he kept David. Moses mistake did not seem as big. I know sin is sin...but a man raping a child is by far a worse sin than a man who steals an apple. I read there was a new covenant between God and David...but still.....it made me feel like i dont have a chance.... am i going to be punished for a small crime?? I dont know.... I need to keep reading. I just started reading the bible from the beginning and I am now entering into the book of Kings. I will have many mixed emoitions and feelings....but I am sure that I will find the answers.. I shouldnt be so quick to feel anytype of way towards my precious God. He knows my thoughts..and he sees what i write too. I should be more cautious.
Thank you all for the responses, once again.

 

[Sue D.]

If I may make a suggestion with your Bible reading -- read from both Old and New Testaments -- a few chapters from Both every day or every other day or so. That way there's more balance to your reading?!

God created us with emotions and a good brain. With God, sin is sin. As people, we categorize sin -- like your example stated -- raping a child compared to stealing an apple.

God is Also a forgiving God. When we realize we've done wrong -- we confess it to God - ask forgiveness and He will forgive.

The Best start is to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior. Then He will lead / direct you.

There's no one on this earth who Doesn't sin. Some are sinners saved by grace and some aren't.

 

[Victor Van Heerden]

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Prior to David, God punished many others, severly, for not following His orders. Why did he favor David so much when David committed adultery, and pretty much had a man murdered?

Good point - nobody knows but God.

 

[Quantrill]

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Newer post:
I understand and appreciate the feedback/responses. I had mixed feelings about why he punishes some the way he does . Like, one of his loyal and loving servants was not allowed into the promised Land because of disobedience...I think it was Moses .but I remember feeling sad to know that God could punish someone in such a way.... After that person showed such love (just as david loved God) and tried very hard to please God. We all make mistakes right? Maybe I felt conflicted because when I arrived to the stories of David and his sins.... I thought he would be punished in a different way...like Saul. I thought he would take him off the throne and find a replacement. But he kept David. Moses mistake did not seem as big. I know sin is sin...but a man raping a child is by far a worse sin than a man who steals an apple. I read there was a new covenant between God and David...but still.....it made me feel like i dont have a chance.... am i going to be punished for a small crime?? I dont know.... I need to keep reading. I just started reading the bible from the beginning and I am now entering into the book of Kings. I will have many mixed emoitions and feelings....but I am sure that I will find the answers.. I shouldnt be so quick to feel anytype of way towards my precious God. He knows my thoughts..and he sees what i write too. I should be more cautious.
Thank you all for the responses, once again.

Concerning Moses not being allowed to enter the promised land, do not think that means Moses did not go to Heaven. He most certainly did. And, it wasn't just Moses that was not allowed. Aaron the High Priest was not allowed either. As well as a whole generation of Israelites who failed in their faith. But, again, that doesn't mean they didn't go to Heaven. The promised land is not a picture of Heaven. It is a picture of the believer walking in faith, in the power of the Holy Spirit, coming into all that God has for Him now.

Moses and David were unique in their relationship to God. But, every believer in God and Christ has one thing they also had. Our sins have been paid for.

As you continue in your reading of the Bible, you will find God is directing you towards a Person. And that Person is Jesus Christ. (Luke 24:44) If in your reading you are feeling another way other than Christ, then you have gone down the wrong road. (John 14:6) There is no other way.

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[Theo102]

Like, one of his loyal and loving servants was not allowed into the promised Land because of disobedience...I think it was Moses

And YHWH spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.
Numbers 20:12

 

[KingJ]

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Newer post:
I understand and appreciate the feedback/responses. I had mixed feelings about why he punishes some the way he does . Like, one of his loyal and loving servants was not allowed into the promised Land because of disobedience...I think it was Moses .but I remember feeling sad to know that God could punish someone in such a way.... After that person showed such love (just as david loved God) and tried very hard to please God. We all make mistakes right? Maybe I felt conflicted because when I arrived to the stories of David and his sins.... I thought he would be punished in a different way...like Saul. I thought he would take him off the throne and find a replacement. But he kept David. Moses mistake did not seem as big. I know sin is sin...but a man raping a child is by far a worse sin than a man who steals an apple. I read there was a new covenant between God and David...but still.....it made me feel like i dont have a chance.... am i going to be punished for a small crime?? I dont know.... I need to keep reading. I just started reading the bible from the beginning and I am now entering into the book of Kings. I will have many mixed emoitions and feelings....but I am sure that I will find the answers.. I shouldnt be so quick to feel anytype of way towards my precious God. He knows my thoughts..and he sees what i write too. I should be more cautious.
Thank you all for the responses, once again.

Sin is sin and sin has degrees. The degrees of sin we give in to point to our love of sin. Point to how far we are from true repentance. God's people in the OT were either A. Stoned to death, B. Burnt to death, C. Ex-communicated, D. Eye for an eye compensation or E. Warned. Differing punishments for differing sins. Even in the NT we see Paul is not impressed with us Christians who cannot judge and discern better then the world in 1 Cor 6:1-9.

Sin is sin in the context that we have all sinned and the wages of all sin is death. Excommunication from God. But degrees of sin point to one being sold out to sin. Sin being full measure. When one's sin is full measure, we are sent to hell. Not earth. Adam and Eve were sent to earth when they sinned. Just an important fact to understand as we all have sin.

We need to read a verse like Matt 5:28 ''thoughts = sin'' with a verse like Matt 5:32 & Matt 19:9 ''actual adultery is grounds for divorce''.

God's punishment on the Jews teaches us a lot about ourselves. But this does not apply 100% to us as Christians. The Jews wondered away from God when they did not get what they wanted. God had to dangle a carrot in front of them to lead them to the promised land of '''milk and honey''. Would they have been obedient and followed if there was no ''milk and honey''? I think not. So we cannot relate 100% to them.

A Christian is someone who has ''already''' laid their life down for Jesus. We will follow God to the land of ''mud and sand''. We have sunk to a depth of intent in our decision to accept and serve Jesus. As Matt 16:24 makes clear.

Once we are a Christian, God will not punish us or kick us out of His house. He will chastise and test us. Big difference. It is just really important for us to grasp that we are in fact a ''Christian''.

2 Cor 3:15 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you? unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

 

[Sue D.]

King J. -- Where do you get your info from. With Adam and Eve for instance -- that they were sent to earth when they sinned? God, Himself created Adam and then Eve. From the dust of the earth. They were created on Earth.

And how does sin come to full measure and then sending us to hell. Where do you Get that? Not from Scripture.

For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. WE categorize sin -- raping a child being far worse that telling our 'loved one' that they look just fine in that dress or slacks , when in fact they Don't. It's lying to the other person. A little white lie is Still a lie.

There Might be degrees of punishment in hell depending on how bad we've been -- but I'm certainly Not going to put my life on the line to find out. Because Scripture says that once we're there we're Staying there. Forever.

And, yes, in the Old Testament there were a variety of ways to be punished for sins. And, as You pointed out --a lot of it was by Death.
Do you realize that IF we followed through with the Old Testament way of punishing sins, there wouldn't be many people left in this world Now?! And I'll bet that we'd be a whole lot more obedient in the process.

The Jews -- even though they were God's chosen people -- were really Are really no different than you or I. We act just like they do. We tend to wander away from God when We don't get what We want. God doesn't loose us any more than He has lost the Jewish population. There will be a 7 yr period of time when God will -- once again -- give His chosen people another chance to accept Him as their promised Messiah. In this present day and age -- the Gentile population of this world / us/ are having our time for salvation. Accept or rejecting His salvation.

Well -- lots of born-again believers Have laid down their lives for God. They have and are presently giving their lives in the name of Christ. They refuse to renounce their faith.

You almost make the life of a Christian sound horrible. Most of us have Not actually laid down our lives for God.

King J. -- please define what a Christian is.

 

[Sue D.]

@XenaMaria -- a suggestion in your reading -- include portions of the New Testament with your reading. As well as Psalms. Gives a more balanced concept of Scripture.

 

[KingJ]

King J. -- Where do you get your info from. With Adam and Eve for instance -- that they were sent to earth when they sinned? God, Himself created Adam and then Eve. From the dust of the earth. They were created on Earth.

They were sent to earth as we know it. Eden was a place on earth in both realms. Eze 28:13 speaks of the devil in it before his fall.

And how does sin come to full measure and then sending us to hell. Where do you Get that? Not from Scripture.

The entire OT speaks of it. Consider Sodom, not even ten righteous before God's wrath fell on them. Do you think they went to heaven when it did? If you read Gen 15:16 it literally says God will spare the Amorites 'for now' as their sin is not yet full measure.

 

[KingJ]

Do you realize that IF we followed through with the Old Testament way of punishing sins, there wouldn't be many people left in this world Now?! And I'll bet that we'd be a whole lot more obedient in the process.

Those in the OT always had Psalm 51:17 'true repentance' available to them. That murderer being stoned to death could still make right with God. That is what matters.

Obedient, yes. But truthful to Him in our heart, no.

The Jews -- even though they were God's chosen people -- were really Are really no different than you or I.

A Christian is a new creation. Nothing like a Jew. It is the difference between a helper in the house and a bride. We are the bride of Christ Eph 5:22-33.

We act just like they do. We tend to wander away from God when We don't get what We want. God doesn't loose us any more than He has lost the Jewish population. There will be a 7 yr period of time when God will -- once again -- give His chosen people another chance to accept Him as their promised Messiah. In this present day and age -- the Gentile population of this world / us/ are having our time for salvation. Accept or rejecting His salvation.

A Christian cannot wonder away from God Heb 13:5-6.

 

[KingJ]

You almost make the life of a Christian sound horrible. Most of us have Not actually laid down our lives for God.

You cannot be a Christian if you have not laid your life down for Jesus. See Matt 16:24.

King J. -- please define what a Christian is.

Christ container.

Sue, please explain to me how you believe one becomes a Christian.

 

[KingJ]

@XenaMariaWhen reading the bible I propose you first read the section directed at you. The Gospels and Paul's message. You can then read the OT.