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Creation’s forth Day: Solar system/Deep space

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Genesis 1:14-19 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.”

For the last 72 hours, all the mass of the universe has existed. In the first 24 hours light was created and the spherical deep rotated through the first day and night period. The next revolution saw the division of the waters by the creation of the expanse of the heavens in between them. For the last 24 hours the below the expanse waters were gathered into seas and the dry earth was made to appear. With light, air, soils, and water, the stage was set for plant life and they were created within their kinds. The waters above the expanse and their mass which waited during the 3rd Day’s work are now operated upon to fill up and finish the heavens vast reaches of space with heavenly bodies. The astronomical universe with its stars and galaxies along with our own solar system receives its orders and organization, structure and functions during this 4th Day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:” God’s Word is all powerful. Everything in the physical universe is set in motion by this energy, held together by this energy, and brought to its consummation by this energy. From the smallest sub-atomic scale to the largest galactic scale, the force that holds the universe together is the Word of God: (Heb.1:3). “And God said,” points up the verbal nature of the operation of that power, and makes astral physics and cosmology an objective rational science. As we have noted before, fiat exnihilo creation and fiat cosmic formation makes true truth possible, given the creation of man in the image after the likeness of God, and given that God is not silent, but speaks to man: The word operating in creation, and the word inspired in the roll of the book. “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven,” creates and forms all the shinning and reflecting bodies of the heavens. Lights are light bearers, (Heb. ma-or), or torches that mediate the immediate light, (Heb. or), created on day one. In other words that first light, (or), now resides in them. Therefore the physics that governs them in this capacity is now operating, energized and balanced. “To divide the day from the night,” attaches a dividing purpose onto their light mediation relative to earth time. “And let them be for:” further delineates that earth time purpose by listing four functions they are to provide: “for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.” The next verse, rather than a reiteration, is more of an expansion of these four functions allowing for the summary of their functions under their main operation of shining light down on the earth: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.” There is theological purpose to the physics. There is “Why” behind the “How”.

Even the weekday names are not arbitrary. Each day is given a name from the 7 luminous bodies that move across the Mazoroth ecliptic: Sunday and Monday for sun and moon; Tuesday for Tuves’ = Anglo-Saxon Mars; Wednesday for Woden’s = Mercury; Thursday for Thor’s = Jupiter; Friday for Friga’s = Venus; and Saturday for Saturn’s day. In all languages from antiquity the order is always the same. Even when the ordinal days do not coincide with the same object, yet the order is the same no mater where the sequence starts. J.A. Seiss links this literary data to a pre-Babel universal alphabet. Isn’t it logical that there would be one, seeing God gave this record in writing right from the beginning to Adam? Reading is creational.

“And it was so,” indicates that this stellar heavens was created and arranged virtually as decreed with all their potential motions that mark the signs, seasons, days, and years. What crosses the heavens over earth, the vantage point of observation, was all arranged like clockworks to provide earth chronology. Our solar system, sun and planets as seen from earth, was made and set in motion all according to plan. Its math was planed. All its perturbations, (positions, changes, disturbances, and effects) were foreordained. All science has done is measure, calculate, theorize, test, and predict. A tilted earth, rotating on its axis and revolving around the sun, we have discovered, is why the seasons, days, and years are regular. The moon orbiting earth is the lesser light, reflecting the light of the sun. Wandering stars are planets, also reflecting the sun, (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn). Fixed stars are lights, like our sun, distributed in the vast reaches of space far beyond our solar system. From antiquity the fixed stars have been arranged in observational groups called zodiacal constellations (Heb. Mazoroth). Having been given names, they are either read or misread as signs (all cultures, all times, bar none). A sign meaning is an intelligent content attached to a thing that is other than the thing itself, but that uses the thing as its vehicle of communication. Alphabets are sorted symbols, arranged signs of sound and pronunciation, to which the intelligent content of language is attached. So too, the stars are named with meaningful words, and their fixed relations in named constellations with the motions of the sun, moon, and planets across their face like pointers send forth speech. “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.” (Ps.19:1-4a). The validity of their sign function depends on the veracity of their creator who controls their motions and the words He originally assigned to them. “He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by [their] names.” (Ps.147:4). God calls Israel to consider His uniqueness and powerful ability to deliver by musing on this: “Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these [things], that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that [he is] strong in power; not one faileth.” (Is.40:26). And when He confronts Job, He uses this approach: “Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazoroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?” (Job 38:31-33). Though languages differ so greatly, a universal astronomical nomenclature bears witness of a unified origin. J. A. Seiss’s book, The Gospel In The Stars, cataloged this cross cultural fact. The Eastern Magi, who came to worship the Jewish King, bear this out in history, and a recent video, The Star of Bethlehem by Frederick A. Larson is an intriguing documentary on this. The heavens hold signs in their bosoms, from the beginning of creation. There will be signs in the heavens at their ending too: “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;” (Lk.21:25). And it shall be so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good. Why did He make them? He has told us in verse 14 and 15. In these verses he confirms the accomplishment and adds that it was His good pleasure to do so. Dividing light from darkness is more than just day and night. In the Gospel and in His Glory revealed in the heavens it is life and death: “Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:” (Col.1:13). So too Christians have this exhortation: “For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light:” (Eph.5:8). And lastly as touching the end of the present heavens and earth: “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.” (1Thes.5:4). This pleases God: “For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.” (1Cor.1:21). Also: “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” (2Cor.4:3-6).

Did the moon shine only in the night, and not ever in the day? If so, then a different orbital arrangement than exists today must have been changed. If a 360 day year did exist, perhaps before the flood and the disturbances associated with it, then the lunar and the solar periods could have been evenly balanced? Good forensic science would ask, What would the evidence be? Walter Brown’s Hydroplate Theory not only suggests some flood mechanisms capable of doing this kind of change, but also explains asteroids and meteors in the process. I would expect this of science; after all, the perturbations of the universe are all ordered by the word of God, the same who gave language to mankind that he might know Him. I can see why understanding is sought after like gold.

“He made the stars also” is a marvelous understatement. He made their gravity, electromagnetic, and atomic energies, forces, and structures as well. But, that He worked so locally in the earth, moon, planets, and sun, makes the vast reaches of space now occupied by stars to pertain mainly to earth in their mediation of verbally ordered light down onto its surface. Space is large, but God is larger; sub-atomic dimensions are small, but God is smaller. Size, to God, is not an issue. It seems, however, He has tailored both scales to Man’s dwelling on the earth. What is man that Thou art mindful of him? (Job 7:17; Ps.8:4, 144:3; Mat.8:27; Mk.4:41, 6:2; Jn.5:21; Heb.2:6).

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. At this note, 96 hours are accomplished. The heavens are full of purpose, design, radiance, order, balance, and sparkling splendor. A milky way screeches across the heavens in the plane of our home galaxy obliquely to the plane of the ecliptic, (another pathway in which the sun, moon, and planets move, called in Hebrew Mazoroth, which otherwise is called the Zodiac with its 12 constellations and their 36 deacon constellations). Other heavenly bodies such as asteroids, comets, meteors, and planets and their moons not visible to the unassisted eye are either there or foreordained in the clockwork physics for their historical debuts. The physical system is established. Novas, Pulsars, conjunctions, eclipses, radio emissions, gamma-ray bursts, and all other phenomena are arranged for all time unto the end of this present age and perhaps beyond into the new heavens and earth. All these lights are for dividing the light from the darkness, day from night, and for signs, seasons, days, and years, and to give light upon the earth. And those physical lights are delegated meanings pointing out the glory of the Word of God who is that true light that lightens every man that comes into the world. God is light and in Him there is no darkness, (Jn.1:1-14; 1Jn.1:1-10). “No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth [it] in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.” (Lk.11:33).

There are propositions here that Satan, if he is to continue to deceive mankind, hates very much. His lies are pointed and aimed; so is the truth.

TRUTH 1: Stars, starlight and time are created by God with a word 6000 years ago. (a big work)
LIE 1: eternal matter and physics makes stars, starlight, and time; words had nothing to do with it billions of years ago. (a big bang)

TRUTH 2: The creation was designed for mans life, work, fellowship, knowledge, and love of God and fellow man. Words mean things; there will be judgment.
LIE 2: Man is an accident in the cosmos, a contradiction (a personal impersonal), or he is the cosmos becoming aware of itself, another contradiction (a pantheistic personal). Words mean no thing and anything; there is no judgment.

TRUTH 3: Language exists in the heavens as their light shines down on earth, designed by their creator (absolute astronomy and gospel signs=gospel in the stars).
LIE 3: Hallucinations exist in the heavens imagined by men (insanity), or the cosmos controls man (relative astronomy and astrology=pantheistic stars).

TRUTH 4: Earth is significant in the plan of God for man in His image to dwell in. (cosmos subordinate to it) Life and light is salvation and resurrection. The heavens show His glory.
LIE 4: Earth is significant only to timid men afraid to die; it is insignificant to the cosmos. There is no resurrection. Life is an illusion, light a myth. The heavens show man’s insignificance.

TRUTH 5: Bible is true truth, and the source of true science. (naturalistic science is not real)
LIE 5: Bible is anything but true truth which does not exist, and an abomination to naturalistic science.

TRUTH 6: The days of the Sabbath week, named from the sun, moon, and 5 visible planets, universally come from the beginning of creation.
LIE 6: Seven day weeks are random inventions of men and not absolute but relative. Facts of history, anthropology and archeology must be explained in some other way.
 
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TRUTH 7: The forth day is the same duration as the Day one its original pattern of dark/light sequence which existed as the reality the luminaries of day four are to rule over. Where not that so, it would be impossible for the astral lights to rule so regularly: for the day they measure is the forth one. You can not have deep time, long ages. This is the day the LORD has made.

LIE 7: The 4th day is where 24 hour days begin, before that is deep time, naturalistic causes for physics and biology. The forth day is the first day you can be sure of. Day one is poetry myth or figure.

This really has to be pointed out there are consequences to this compromise. It is a foot in the door, and what will the professionals tell you next that you must give up a little in? Are they afraid to rethink their sciences? Science is an iffy speculative kind of critter; have they made a god out of it? It has no authority if the word of God can be relative or doubted. The word of God is plane, clear, perspicuous; you just can't make it out to mean what you want it to mean. In fact it commands of mankind repentance.
 
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