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Contextualizing Islam

I struggle to explain a lot of God's commands in the Old Testment

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’” (1 Sam 15:2-3)

I have found that God often uses the carnal reality in the OT as an analogy to a spiritual reality in the NT.

Kill the Amalekites and all of the "-ites" as they are listed in Joshua 3:10. Those seven "-ites" perhaps correspond to the seven evils described in Proverbs:

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." Prov 6:16-19

All of the messages in the Bible are complex, but we do not need to understand all of them. We only need to understand what God speaks to our heart.
 
You might read 'Earths Earliest Ages' by GH Pember....The 'Cosmic Chess Match' by LA Marzulli or 'In Search of the Immortals' by Tom Horn....You can also look at Marzulli's website and Tom Horns site too....Look up Steve Quayle's website..
The books will rattle your cage. You will see that the 'catching up of the bride' is imminent. As in a matter of months? Perhaps
BTW You might, while at the Marzulli website get the Watcher series of vids....
Thanks
 
Saying we must contextualize the evils of Islam's origins and history is a major cop out. They must take ownership of their evils and agree to learn from and never repeat them.
Muhammad: The Final Prophet of God
In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
Muhammad’s life began in a seemingly conventional manner in the deserts of Arabia in the sixth century. When he turned 40 years old, God tasked him with prophethood
and began revealing His final book, the Quran, to him. As a prophet, Muhammad called people to the divine teachings of Islam. He encouraged them to worship
the One God and to uphold a morally upright life.

Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings
of the east might be prepared.
16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon [Satan], and out of the mouth of the beast,
and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle
of that great day of God Almighty. [already the world's military and Islamic fighters are being sucked into the quagmire that is Syria]

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received
the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

SO who or what is the false prophet of Revelation???
The Papacy and Rome? Islam? Both as coming forth from the Dragon?
 
Muhammad: The Final Prophet of God
In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
Muhammad’s life began in a seemingly conventional manner in the deserts of Arabia in the sixth century. When he turned 40 years old, God tasked him with prophethood
and began revealing His final book, the Quran, to him. As a prophet, Muhammad called people to the divine teachings of Islam. He encouraged them to worship
the One God and to uphold a morally upright life.

Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings
of the east might be prepared.
16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon [Satan], and out of the mouth of the beast,
and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle
of that great day of God Almighty. [already the world's military and Islamic fighters are being sucked into the quagmire that is Syria]

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received
the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

SO who or what is the false prophet of Revelation???
The Papacy and Rome? Islam? Both as coming forth from the Dragon?

I'm a little confused here Waggles....Are you saying that Muhammad is a prophet of our God?
 
SO who or what is the false prophet of Revelation???
The Papacy and Rome? Islam? Both as coming forth from the Dragon?

I would say ''who''. Three beings to form an unholy trinity. The image of the antichrist is the ''what''.
 
1. They see our Jesus as a minor prophet while their Jesus is Mahdi who comes and slaughters all not muslim people. I do agree however that many many muslim people do want the same as other people, namely....peace, to raise good kids, respect etc

2. Truthfully, I think the only thing we can learn from muslims is their total dedication to their religion...The way we should be totally dedicated to our God....

1. I suppose any prophet is a minor next to Muhammad for them. But they do believe Jesus will return and defeat the false Messiah. They also mention many of His miracles. Some bizarre ones too. It is interesting that they not better grasp the differences between Jesus and Muhammad in their own book.

2. You chose your words well there. Dedication to religion is a completely different issue to dedication to God. I would say Christians are more dedicated to God. We pray all day to God.
 
Let me know what you think of them...Please
I had a look at La Marzulli site and blog. It seems very informative. He has a few video's on youtube. I will watch them this week. Might order some of his videos if the youtube is good. We should open a thread and discuss this. Very interesting stuff indeed.
 
Let me know what you think of them...Please
Well the videos I have watched on youtube were very good!

There are many interesting facts that tie up. Aztec temples, pyramids, ancient indian ruins all built with huge blocks and used for human sacrifices. Suggesting giants and some very cruel ones in charge. All the cranial deformations of people living by these ruins. An interesting explanation that dinosaurs were from intelligent inbreeding. The fact that sons of God mating, equaled giants....this was never said of others. IE No mention of Cain, Able, Moses's offspring being giants. So quite heavy support for ''sons of God'' being angels vs humans. Also evidence that many giants were not evil. They had free will.

He keeps saying that we have a few months left to live. I have read you saying this too. Would you mind better explaining this in a new thread? Thanks
 
I had a look at La Marzulli site and blog. It seems very informative. He has a few video's on youtube. I will watch them this week. Might order some of his videos if the youtube is good. We should open a thread and discuss this. Very interesting stuff indeed.

I think this is the second 'Watchers' vid...
 
I have found that God often uses the carnal reality in the OT as an analogy to a spiritual reality in the NT.

Kill the Amalekites and all of the "-ites" as they are listed in Joshua 3:10. Those seven "-ites" perhaps correspond to the seven evils described in Proverbs:

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." Prov 6:16-19

All of the messages in the Bible are complex, but we do not need to understand all of them. We only need to understand what God speaks to our heart.

Actually ...The 'ites' mentioned were actual people...not ideals, or situations...They were Nephilim giants...As I said...Israel was surrounded by thirty tribes of giants in those days...Canaan was populated by giants when the Israelites first got there. That's why they were so afraid..."In their eyes we are but grasshoppers" Uh Yeah! And they were grasshoppers in their own sight too when they saw the Canaanites.
 
Actually ...The 'ites' mentioned were actual people...not ideals, or situations...They were Nephilim giants...As I said...Israel was surrounded by thirty tribes of giants in those days...Canaan was populated by giants when the Israelites first got there. That's why they were so afraid..."In their eyes we are but grasshoppers" Uh Yeah! And they were grasshoppers in their own sight too when they saw the Canaanites.
Whatever they were or were not in the flesh, they are part of God's message to us today. God's transcribed message did not begin with Matthew 1:1, but with Gen 1:1 and continues at least through Rev 22:21. What does matter to us is His message to us. A vision is necessary so that we do not finally perish and a diminished spiritual vision, unlike the carnal vision, must improve as we proceed toward the Light. The sacrifice of Jesus made it possible to become "very good" or better again.
 
Whatever they were or were not in the flesh, they are part of God's message to us today. God's transcribed message did not begin with Matthew 1:1, but with Gen 1:1 and continues at least through Rev 22:21. What does matter to us is His message to us. A vision is necessary so that we do not finally perish and a diminished spiritual vision, unlike the carnal vision, must improve as we proceed toward the Light. The sacrifice of Jesus made it possible to become "very good" or better again.

While I agree with what you say here...There is a good reason God told us about these 'people'. They were/are not just incidental to the story. They are a part of our history and a part of our future...We are about to see more of them..
 
While I agree with what you say here...There is a good reason God told us about these 'people'. They were/are not just incidental to the story. They are a part of our history and a part of our future...We are about to see more of them..
There are good reasons why God tells anyone anything, but we are not all in the place with or in God all of the time. We may not all agree in all things or understand all things the same now, but when Jesus is the only Head of all of His Body, then...

We should all be growing but our rates of growth and are specific areas of growth relate to which part of the Body of Christ we are or are to be.
 
Personally I have been really astonished by many things such as these facts and also by the fact that the message of the Quran does not condemn slavery and the slave trade.

I personally find it quite telling that The Quran does not condemn rape either - There are absolutely no punishments, no retribution, no justice and no righteousness or decency concerning the subject of rape and slavery. However, in the Bible, this punishment is a mandatory death penalty in violent cases for anyone committing both rape and slavery - a full automatic death penalty - with lesser penalties mandated by the offender paying compensation for servant / workers who are injured.
 
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